When Women Try To Speak (Posie Parker attacked by hatemob at speaking event in NZ)

[Oliver_W]

At a speaking event in Auckland, New Zealand, pro-female speaker Posie Parker had to be swept away in a car to save her life from the vicious hatemob which had amassed.

The below livestream shows the full event, from her arriving in her car to having to be rescued.

Livefeed
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"Highlight" Reel
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[arista]

"pro-female speaker"


They do not like them.................

[Cherie]

"pro-female speaker"


They do not like them.................

why not? we make up over 50% of the population ...our voices matter as do transwomen but its not an either or situation...these mobs have nothing to do with trans people...they are women haters

[Oliver_W]

"pro-female speaker"


They do not like them.................
Who does not like whom?

[arista]

Who does not like whom?



The local people in NZ,
do not like her

[arista]

why not? we make up over 50% of the population ...our voices matter as do transwomen but its not an either or situation...these mobs have nothing to do with trans people...they are women haters

Sure
But New Zealand do not like
Pro Women Speakers.


Like the President
was hated
she had to go...................

[arista]

Posie Parker leaves New Zealand after chaotic protests


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/25/anti-trans-activist-posie-parker-ends-new-zealand-tour-after-violent-protests-erupt

[Niamh.]

I don't care what side of the fence you stand on this issue. When women are literally being attacked and threatened for speaking then there's a huge problem here. You can't claim to be "on the right side of history" and condone this behaviour (or worse take part in it) There's a video showing a man punching a 70 year old woman in the face twice as well

[bots]

i saw a very interesting video the other day

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[Crimson Dynamo]

i saw a very interesting video the other day

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yep excellent points

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't agree with this, but you do realise she is really close with the Nazis? I don't mean "people I don't like on the internet" kind of Nazis, but the real ones. As she hates trans people now, is how she has spoken out against other minority groups previously

This is a really weird movement for personality cults, and as I've predicted and tried to warn you about, the links between this movement and the far right is becoming increasingly closer and closer, but good luck to anyone on their "definitely the right side of history" quest, but I guess the biggest problems with Jews in the 1930's is that they didn't show the Germans enough reverence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't agree with this, but you do realise she is really close with the Nazis? I don't mean "people I don't like on the internet" kind of Nazis, but the real ones. As she hates trans people now, is how she has spoken out against other minority groups previously

This is a really weird movement for personality cults, and as I've predicted and tried to warn you about, the links between this movement and the far right is becoming increasingly closer and closer, but good luck to anyone on their "definitely the right side of history" quest, but I guess the biggest problems with Jews in the 1930's is that they didn't show the Germans enough reverence.

she is really close with the Nazis?


really, do tell us more

[The Slim Reaper]

I remember when I got told saying "tibb likes the daily mail" was baiting, and yet some weirdos on here never have to contribute to a discussion and get to write weirdo nonsense under the posts of others, with a permanent green light.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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"People who call people Nazis these days are historically illiterate"

[Cherie]

She responded to the accusation that she is on board with Nazi’s ....there were 6 different groups at this rally for example, none of whom were invited ...I presume one of the groups might have been Evangelists..that doesn’t make her one, if there is concrete evidence out there that she is a Nazi we need to see it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

She responded to the accusation that she is on board with Nazi’s ....there were 6 different groups at this rally for example, none of whom were invited ...I presume one of the groups might have been Evangelists..that doesn’t make her one, if there is concrete evidence out there that she is a Nazi we need to see it?

the left are trying desperately to pin guilty by association on her

pathetic

JK Rowling just retweeted:

https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1641376018823884800?s=20

[Oliver_W]

I don't agree with this, but you do realise she is really close with the Nazis? I don't mean "people I don't like on the internet" kind of Nazis, but the real ones.
Which ones, in what way?

Is this in any other way than them gatecrashing her events?

[Cherie]

I imagine all those peaceful people protesting about pensions in France are just thugs who want to start fires and damage property in reality

[The Slim Reaper]

Which ones, in what way?

Is this in any other way than them gatecrashing her events?

Co-opting is not gatecrashing. If I held a rally, do you know which group of people wouldn't feel as though I said anything which could be co-opted by them? Nazi's, white supremacists, and those quoting Mein Kampf.

There is a lot more out there about poor, unfortunate, Posie, who for some reason has nazi's speaking about the same issues as her, at her own rallies, but I only came in to make one post, and I've now made 4 or 5, so you can do your own research if you're interested enough. I already know that most in this thread won't be (not you, Oliver).

[Crimson Dynamo]

[https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1641322631163965440?s=20

[Oliver_W]

Co-opting is not gatecrashing. If I held a rally, do you know which group of people wouldn't feel as though I said anything which could be co-opted by them? Nazi's, white supremacists, and those quoting Mein Kampf.
Because most the things about which you'd hold a rally probably wouldn't have very many fellow-travelers among the undesirables you mentioned. Some of the various "Nazi"-types were likely there for being anti-trans, rather than pro-woman.

What is there to suggest Posie is close to any of those who also joined?

[user104658]

I don't agree with this, but you do realise she is really close with the Nazis? I don't mean "people I don't like on the internet" kind of Nazis, but the real ones. As she hates trans people now, is how she has spoken out against other minority groups previously

This is a really weird movement for personality cults, and as I've predicted and tried to warn you about, the links between this movement and the far right is becoming increasingly closer and closer,

I 100% agree with you up until this point but this is where I find the bias and blinkers come in;

but good luck to anyone on their "definitely the right side of history" quest, but I guess the biggest problems with Jews in the 1930's is that they didn't show the Germans enough reverence.

Yes, the rise of the right is terrifying and they are quite clearly and at this point openly piggybacking on this issue - however - the whole thing is reaching boiling point, which is of course the mechanism for escalation and really the whole point. There has been a clear, demonstrable and becoming-exponential increase in violence coming from "the community" (I'm not going to say the left because we know it's not an accurate descriptor at this point).

There's been a recent flip in perpetrators of shootings from the classic "frustrated incel" to members of the LGBTQ community (multiple examples). Gatherings where there are counter-protests with large turnouts like this are becoming increasingly violent from the outset (people declaring violent intent in the run up, not just escalation on the day).

There's an aggressive quasi-religious crusade-esque element rapidly simmering up in the LGBTQ community at the same time as the worrying emboldening of the far right (the outright classically religious far-right, too, the bible thumpers are all over this).

There's no "right side of history" to be on at this point other than the side of some sort of rationality and reason ... unfortunately, that's rarely where history is made.

There's a real hesitance to talk about the things above though from some quarters. And not people arguing that it isn't the case ... just a deafening silence and determination to pretend that there aren't clear and present elements of radicalisation occurring within the LGBTQ community.

The elephant in the room is that radicalised people throughout history have had obvious and understandable reasons for going down that path, whether they're from Belfast, Baghdad, Reddit or Discord. One man's terrorist is the next woman's freedom fighter, etc.

[user104658]

What is there to suggest Posie is close to any of those who also joined?

Sorry Oliver I disagree, Posie Parker is not operating in good faith and is a complete liability for anyone who wants genuine sensible discourse to resume at any time soon.

[Oliver_W]

Sorry Oliver I disagree, Posie Parker is not operating in good faith and is a complete liability for anyone who wants genuine sensible discourse to resume at any time soon.

Okay, so what is there to suggest she's doing this for anything but women's rights? :laugh:

[user104658]

Okay, so what is there to suggest she's doing this for anything but women's rights? :laugh:

There obviously can never be "evidence" for any individuals internal overall motivations one way or the other because ultimately they're only known by that person; she may or may not have the over-arching goal of protecting women's spaces. However she courts the alt-right to gain notoriety, funding and a platform and (albeit, just observationally) ... she's just plain starting to sound and look like an alt-righter.

[Livia]

I find it disturbing and disgusting in equal parts to see people on the far Left referring to people as Nazis. It's old and tired and meaningless.

[Livia]

Sorry Oliver I disagree, Posie Parker is not operating in good faith and is a complete liability for anyone who wants genuine sensible discourse to resume at any time soon.

Women are sick of trying for sensible discourse and it's met with violence and death threats from men in frocks. It's tiresome to have men tell women we should try to reason with these maniacs. The real trans community must be weeping.

Where are the hoards of F to M transsexuals punching people and demanding to be included in men's sport and entry to men only changing rooms?

[Cherie]

What I would also take from the video is that all the violence and hate was directed at women, there were no different groups fighting each other which you might expect to see when it kicks off like this? If the Far Right were there and backing women they were woefully silent on the issue

[Livia]

What I would also take from the video is that all the violence and hate was directed at women, there were no different groups fighting each other which you might expect to see when it kicks off like this? If the Far Right were there and backing women they were woefully silent on the issue

Apparently that's all fine and we should try reasonable discourse. And stop being Nazis.

[user104658]

Women are sick of trying for sensible discourse and it's met with violence and death threats from men in frocks. It's tiresome to have men tell women we should try to reason with these maniacs. The real trans community must be weeping.

Where are the hoards of F to M transsexuals punching people and demanding to be included in men's sport and entry to men only changing rooms?

Again I don't disagree and it's not the expressions of frustration that I'm really referring to, I'm not tone-policing, but Parker specifically I think there are a number of red flags. For example, she has effectively said that the abortion ban (and other aspects of oppression of women's rights) are "worth it" in the gender ideology battle.

She'll happily court evangelists and misogynists "for the numbers" to support her cause and that means she either naively believes she can use those numbers and then discard that "army" once her own goals are achieved, OR she agrees with/is indifferent to the other supremacist goals of those groups.

Either way her methods are just more fuel on the fire to make matters worse for everyone. Her rhetoric isn't any more helpful than (and has an awful lot in common with) things like Stonewall "on the other side".

[Cherie]

Again I don't disagree and it's not the expressions of frustration that I'm really referring to, I'm not tone-policing, but Parker specifically I think there are a number of red flags. For example, she has effectively said that the abortion ban (and other aspects of oppression of women's rights) are "worth it" in the gender ideology battle.

She'll happily court evangelists and misogynists "for the numbers" to support her cause and that means she either naively believes she can use those numbers and then discard that "army" once her own goals are achieved, OR she agrees with/is indifferent to the other supremacist goals of those groups.

Either way her methods are just more fuel on the fire to make matters worse for everyone. Her rhetoric isn't any more helpful than (and has an awful lot in common with) things like Stonewall "on the other side".


I don't know alot about her apart from watching a few clips posted on here

[user104658]

Apparently that's all fine and we should try reasonable discourse. And stop being Nazis.

At some point there will have to be reasonable discourse. Despite people getting dreamy-eyed about "throwing bricks" it's not where actual progress is made. No one is going to suddenly "win".

[Livia]

Again I don't disagree and it's not the expressions of frustration that I'm really referring to, I'm not tone-policing, but Parker specifically I think there are a number of red flags. For example, she has effectively said that the abortion ban (and other aspects of oppression of women's rights) are "worth it" in the gender ideology battle.

She'll happily court evangelists and misogynists "for the numbers" to support her cause and that means she either naively believes she can use those numbers and then discard that "army" once her own goals are achieved, OR she agrees with/is indifferent to the other supremacist goals of those groups.

Either way her methods are just more fuel on the fire to make matters worse for everyone. Her rhetoric isn't any more helpful than (and has an awful lot in common with) things like Stonewall "on the other side".


Women, eh? Why would you expect us to be more measured than the chicks with dicks who turn out for violent confrontation.

She should just shut up or face the consequences, right? Like JK Rowling.

[Livia]

At some point there will have to be reasonable discourse. Despite people getting dreamy-eyed about "throwing bricks" it's not where actual progress is made. No one is going to suddenly "win".

And that's your message to women? I expect you're right, what with you having a cock and all.

[user104658]

Women, eh? Why would you expect us to be more measured than the chicks with dicks who turn out for violent confrontation.

She should just shut up or face the consequences, right? Like JK Rowling.

And that's your message to women? I expect you're right, what with you having a cock and all.

Again I'm not tone policing I think the current climate is inevitable and understandable but that doesn't mean its a good idea to overlook where there are genuinely questionable connections as there have been with Posie Parker and right-wing evangelist donors.

[Livia]

Questionable connections according to you. No one deserves that kind of treatment as far as I'm concerned. You think differently. Thank God there are some heterosexual men who back us instead of telling us how we should be reacting and behaving.

[user104658]

Questionable connections according to you. No one deserves that kind of treatment as far as I'm concerned. You think differently. Thank God there are some heterosexual men who back us instead of telling us how we should be reacting and behaving.

Not according to me, the groups she associates with are easy to look up, along with their beliefs, as are things she's said in the past about abortion etc.

I also didn't once say or imply that what happened in NZ was justified or deserved.

My overall thoughts on the topic of gender ideology are or should be pretty clear on here surely, as is my stance when it comes to women's spaces, children and safeguarding :shrug:.

Again its the all or nothing thinking; Posie Parker "must" be a good person, because she stands for things that I agree with? I just don't think she is. She's too comfortable leaning into support from skinheads. It's a concern, to me. How you feel about it is your business.

[Beso]

Antifa have their claws in the trans activism movement.

It's not a good look.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At some point there will have to be reasonable discourse. Despite people getting dreamy-eyed about "throwing bricks" it's not where actual progress is made. No one is going to suddenly "win".

What specifically has she said in her interviews that is a concern?

[Beso]

Since we are stating our stances on such matters.

My stance is.

If all the trans people who these trans rights activists are sticking up for were real women, they would all be out protesting against themselves for their own rights.

[The Slim Reaper]

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever, and then women have been propagandised/radicalised (mainly by men) into believing their world is being taken away and they are being replaced by a new group of "chicks with dicks" to quote our Cambridge educated lawyer.

I would be radicalised too, if that's what I believed. Everyone always believes they can see through propaganda, which of course only ever happens to other people, but all of us are susceptible to it.

On the other side of that, we have trans people just going about their lives, until they became the topic on everyone else's tongue, not to include in discussion, but to be attacked, marginalised and placed in fear. As a marginalised minority, they also have every right and I'd go beyond that to say duty, to actually fight for their lives, because eradicating trans genderism is just starting to be brought up in the US, which means it will be here too, soon enough.

That's a real and fundamental difference; the very people you all opine on everyday, now face these real and targeted threats consistently. I mean, what the fcuk are people doing having rallies to attack people. I know the Nazi thing gets overdone, but Jesus

I've obviously had my issues with TS, but he's tied himself in knots here to try and be understanding, but has been met with nothing more than weirdness about either supporting women, or supporting lady boys. It's just not true.

There are no solutions, no attempt to be understanding, just vitriol and abuse thrown at a marginalised community. I have issues with trans people in sports, and I think maybe that's because I played a lot of sports growing up, but none of you (I'll exclude ts here) are in any way interested in finding a way forward. I think the first time I ever posted on trans issues, I asked what solutions you had, and to this day, tibb is still way more interested in finding attack pieces; which is cool if that's what you want to do, but seriously, I never thought I'd be happy to see a M&H thread appear, because I have to say, most of you are being completely ridiculous.


If you can't see there is an all out culture war attack on trans people at this point, then you'll never see it, but keep up with this hateful language, and it will soon be followed by hateful actions, and then you won't be able to backpedal away from it. I know deep down, that's not what most of you want, but that's where the buy in to this constant noise ends up, because we've all seen one history documentary, or read one book at least.

[Beso]

All everyone wants, apart from the trans. Is a 3rd room.

[The Slim Reaper]

All everyone wants, apart from the trans. Is a 3rd room.

Is that a room for trans women? What about trans men?

[Beso]

Is that a room for trans women? What about trans men?

A 3rd and 4th then...more expense for us. The tax payer.:bawling:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever

what on gods earth are you on about?

that is a total fallacy

SO after 2019 a woman did not want to see a guys dick in their toilet or changing room


2018 - sure lets have it?

[Cherie]

Was self ID a thing in 2019? a genuine query as I had never heard of it

[The Slim Reaper]

what on gods earth are you on about?

that is a total fallacy

SO after 2019 a woman did not want to see a guys dick in their toilet or changing room


2018 - sure lets have it?

It wasn't even a consideration, people used bathrooms to either pee or poop. It wasn't until it was made into an issue that it became a problem.

The equalities act was passed in 2010, so trans women had access to women's bathrooms from that point on, and probably before that (unofficially).

[The Slim Reaper]

A 3rd and 4th then...more expense for us. The tax payer.:bawling:

Then we need a 5th for the communists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It wasn't even a consideration, people used bathrooms to either pee or poop. It wasn't until it was made into an issue that it became a problem.

The equalities act was passed in 2010, so trans women had access to women's bathrooms from that point on, and probably before that (unofficially).

The arrogance to pretend you knew what women thought about men invading their safe spaces

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

I guess not then

[user104658]

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever, and then women have been propagandised/radicalised (mainly by men) into believing their world is being taken away and they are being replaced by a new group of "chicks with dicks" to quote our Cambridge educated lawyer.

I would be radicalised too, if that's what I believed. Everyone always believes they can see through propaganda, which of course only ever happens to other people, but all of us are susceptible to it.

On the other side of that, we have trans people just going about their lives, until they became the topic on everyone else's tongue, not to include in discussion, but to be attacked, marginalised and placed in fear. As a marginalised minority, they also have every right and I'd go beyond that to say duty, to actually fight for their lives, because eradicating trans genderism is just starting to be brought up in the US, which means it will be here too, soon enough.

That's a real and fundamental difference; the very people you all opine on everyday, now face these real and targeted threats consistently. I mean, what the fcuk are people doing having rallies to attack people. I know the Nazi thing gets overdone, but Jesus

I've obviously had my issues with TS, but he's tied himself in knots here to try and be understanding, but has been met with nothing more than weirdness about either supporting women, or supporting lady boys. It's just not true.

There are no solutions, no attempt to be understanding, just vitriol and abuse thrown at a marginalised community. I have issues with trans people in sports, and I think maybe that's because I played a lot of sports growing up, but none of you (I'll exclude ts here) are in any way interested in finding a way forward. I think the first time I ever posted on trans issues, I asked what solutions you had, and to this day, tibb is still way more interested in finding attack pieces; which is cool if that's what you want to do, but seriously, I never thought I'd be happy to see a M&H thread appear, because I have to say, most of you are being completely ridiculous.


If you can't see there is an all out culture war attack on trans people at this point, then you'll never see it, but keep up with this hateful language, and it will soon be followed by hateful actions, and then you won't be able to backpedal away from it. I know deep down, that's not what most of you want, but that's where the buy in to this constant noise ends up, because we've all seen one history documentary, or read one book at least.

I agree that this is a very new issue and also very grateful for a long and balanced post to read. I would add though that I don't know that it's necessarily true that everything was going along as always until 2019 (I'd say the last 5 years so close enough) and then it all changed because of propaganda and radicalisation; there has also been a dramatic and quite rapid shift in gender ideology and "queer theory"/identity politics that - frankly - actually has little if anything to do with trans people as they've existed in women's spaces up to this point.

I genuinely don't believe that trans women - people actually clearly living as women, for whatever reason that may be - are a risk to women. But modern gender ideology has completely jumped the shark and reason/logic/any sort of evidence-based practice has gone completely out the window (e.g. womanhood being purely an ethereal concept and male-presenting people identifying as women = unquestionably valid) and its a safeguarding nightmare.

Also the situation with adolescent girls identifying in larger and larger number as boys (the numbers absolutely DWARF male to female teens) and engaging in things like breast binding, plus associated varying degrees of self harm and poor mental health that's going untreated because it's masked under gender identity issues, is utterly shocking and shameful. It's extreme body dismorphia that's rooted in patriarchy and self-loathing misogyny and it's being normalised as progressive and positive... this is a real problem.

Alongside a myriad of other very complicated, quite separate, issues that there's no point even trying to discuss when everything is oversimplified into one battleground.

BUT yes I largely agree - at this point all of those very real issues have unfortunately been swamped... not just "kinda overshadowed" but completely and utterly swamped... by a culture war that feels oddly pre-planned and, lo and behold, benefits precisely one group of people: blokes. Wealthy White Western blokes to be more specific. Who would have thought.

There is no more pressing concern than the rise and widespread acceptance of right wing pseudo-evangelism and I honestly think from what I can see, it's coming.

[Beso]

Then we need a 5th for the communists.

You better start protesting then.

[Cherie]

The idea that self ID has not contributed to where we are is just papering over the cracks remember when the silly women pointed out the gaping loophole that predators and opportunists might jump through and were told to run along because it would never happen…, mmm where are we now on that then

[The Slim Reaper]

The arrogance to pretend you knew what women thought about men invading their safe spaces

:facepalm:

This you?

its always the mum and often when they wanted a girl

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

There obviously can never be "evidence" for any individuals internal overall motivations one way or the other because ultimately they're only known by that person; she may or may not have the over-arching goal of protecting women's spaces. However she courts the alt-right to gain notoriety, funding and a platform and (albeit, just observationally) ... she's just plain starting to sound and look like an alt-righter.

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

[The Slim Reaper]

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

I think if you go on the platform of an open white supremacist who has called for a Canadian, white, ethno-state, then you're on shaky ground.

Not even you believes the bbc is hard left.

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree that this is a very new issue and also very grateful for a long and balanced post to read. I would add though that I don't know that it's necessarily true that everything was going along as always until 2019 (I'd say the last 5 years so close enough) and then it all changed because of propaganda and radicalisation; there has also been a dramatic and quite rapid shift in gender ideology and "queer theory"/identity politics that - frankly - actually has little if anything to do with trans people as they've existed in women's spaces up to this point.

I genuinely don't believe that trans women - people actually clearly living as women, for whatever reason that may be - are a risk to women. But modern gender ideology has completely jumped the shark and reason/logic/any sort of evidence-based practice has gone completely out the window (e.g. womanhood being purely an ethereal concept and male-presenting people identifying as women = unquestionably valid) and its a safeguarding nightmare.

Also the situation with adolescent girls identifying in larger and larger number as boys (the numbers absolutely DWARF male to female teens) and engaging in things like breast binding, plus associated varying degrees of self harm and poor mental health that's going untreated because it's masked under gender identity issues, is utterly shocking and shameful. It's extreme body dismorphia that's rooted in patriarchy and self-loathing misogyny and it's being normalised as progressive and positive... this is a real problem.

Alongside a myriad of other very complicated, quite separate, issues that there's no point even trying to discuss when everything is oversimplified into one battleground.

BUT yes I largely agree - at this point all of those very real issues have unfortunately been swamped... not just "kinda overshadowed" but completely and utterly swamped... by a culture war that feels oddly pre-planned and, lo and behold, benefits precisely one group of people: blokes. Wealthy White Western blokes to be more specific. Who would have thought.

There is no more pressing concern than the rise and widespread acceptance of right wing pseudo-evangelism and I honestly think from what I can see, it's coming.

I'm logging off in a few mins, so not really time to write a reply that your post deserves. I'll pick it up at some point tomorrow.

[user104658]

However she courts the alt-right


ok - how

and i hope its not, she gave an interview to X, because if she spoke to the BBC i hope you will also say she courts the hard left?

"guilty by association" does not stand up in any court

She evidently and openly accepts support from right-wing individuals with a smile and a wave, it's not particularly subtle. To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars. These people are not fighting for women's rights. Again maybe she believes its possible to use these individuals "for the numbers" in her own battles and not ultimately hand power to them. In the long run, but if she does I think she's very wrong.

The idea that the BBC is hard left is daft too. I don't really know what it is at this point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She evidently and openly accepts support from right-wing individuals with a smile and a wave, it's not particularly subtle. To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars. These people are not fighting for women's rights. Again maybe she believes its possible to use these individuals "for the numbers" in her own battles and not ultimately hand power to them. In the long run, but if she does I think she's very wrong.

The idea that the BBC is hard left is daft too. I don't really know what it is at this point.

by losing abortion rights do you mean more people in a state dont agree with abortion for all and voted accordingly?

[Beso]

The idea that self ID has not contributed to where we are is just papering over the cracks remember when the silly women pointed out the gaping loophole that predators and opportunists might jump through and were told to run along because it would never happen…, mmm where are we now on that then

Omg..Dont mention predators and loopholes when referring to LGBT

[The Slim Reaper]

I find it disturbing and disgusting in equal parts to see people on the far Left referring to people as Nazis. It's old and tired and meaningless.

OMG only just seen this nugget :joker:

Who do you think defeated the nazi's?

[Mystic Mock]

why not? we make up over 50% of the population ...our voices matter as do transwomen but its not an either or situation...these mobs have nothing to do with trans people...they are women haters

Oh god not the Incel community getting involved.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh god not the Incel community getting involved.

mock you know they watch a lot of manga?

:worry:

[Mystic Mock]

Omg..Dont mention predators and loopholes when referring to LGBT

Tbf predators are in every community.

But Aliens are only in Liverpool.:hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

mock you know they watch a lot of manga?

:worry:

I still don't have to like them.

Unless they like Berserk, then they have a shot at redemption.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/JeffvShepherd/status/1639415826125139970?s=20

[Oliver_W]

mock you know they watch a lot of manga?

:worry:

You can't watch manga, manga are the comics :nono: anime is the cartoons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can't watch manga, manga are the comics :nono: anime is the cartoons.

:nono: I cant be expected to keep up with incel media consumption what with the wokery, gender wars and the SNP implosions

[Livia]

Amazing how some men not only have the answers but are also willing to reel off hundreds of words on the subject. And guess what? Turns out women are overreacting and being "weird". That's what I take away from this thread. Thanks though to the men who see it for what it is: middle aged men dressed up as women using any means necessary to push their agenda... Assaults, death threats, rape threats....

[user104658]

middle aged men dressed up as women using any means necessary to push their agenda... Assaults, death threats, rape threats....

I'd never deny that those people exist, especially "online", but it's a much more complicated issue than that and there is a lot to say :shrug:. Again my overall stance in pretty clear and I lean closer to TERF than TRA when it comes right down to it but I can also see that Gender ID stuff is a hugely broad ranging topic.

As I said above, most people identifying as the opposite gender (in 2023) are actually NOT middle aged men identifying as women - they're adolescent girls identifying as boys. The reasons for that are complex and very sad. But they're obviously, when it comes down to it, very different issues to address ... so lumping everything into one basket just doesn't work.

[Livia]

I was referring to the men who attacked Posie Parker That's the topic of the thread. Apparently she brought it on herself because she's a Nazi.

The abuse of kids by indoctrinating them with ideology and theory taught as fact is another thread entirely.

[Liam-]

I love the idea that women like this Parker label these sort of events as ‘let women speak’ rallies, which happily include open nazis, Christian extremists and even worse, men! When in reality, all she (and her ilk) want is to be the loudest voices, they only want women (and men) who agree with them to speak, women especially that don’t agree with them and their hateful ideologies get torrents of abuse for not being likeminded bigots, so these ‘worriers of women’s rights’ aren’t really that, they themselves don’t respect and treat all women equally so right from the start the bull**** is very easy to see through.

And yes, she does very blatantly hold hands with the nazis and women hating far right, she doesn’t get hijacked by then, she welcomes them with open arms because at the basis of her belief, she’s a bigot, so fellow bigots are all good and well, even if they hate her at heart as well, as long as they also hate the people she hates too, if you don’t want to be likened to Nazis and far right bigots, don’t happily associate yourself and your ‘cause’ with them, it’s simple as that really I’m afraid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love the idea that women like this Parker label these sort of events as ‘let women speak’ rallies, which happily include open nazis, Christian extremists and even worse, men! When in reality, all she (and her ilk) want is to be the loudest voices, they only want women (and men) who agree with them to speak, women especially that don’t agree with them and their hateful ideologies get torrents of abuse for not being likeminded bigots, so these ‘worriers of women’s rights’ aren’t really that, they themselves don’t respect and treat all women equally so right from the start the bull**** is very easy to see through.

And yes, she does very blatantly hold hands with the nazis and women hating far right, she doesn’t get hijacked by then, she welcomes them with open arms because at the basis of her belief, she’s a bigot, so fellow bigots are all good and well, even if they hate her at heart as well, as long as they also hate the people she hates too, if you don’t want to be likened to Nazis and far right bigots, don’t happily associate yourself and your ‘cause’ with them, it’s simple as that really I’m afraid.

she is a nazi

she is a bigot

she is a transphobe

=

shut down tactic

shut down tactic

shut down tactic

[Oliver_W]

And yes, she does very blatantly hold hands with the nazis and women hating far right, she doesn’t get hijacked by then, she welcomes them with open arms
Like who? When?

To give one example, she's openly stated regarding Roe vs Wade that women in the US losing abortion rights is an acceptable price to pay if it helps in the gender identity wars.
Being against abortion doesn't mean someone can't be left wing or a feminist tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

:nono: I cant be expected to keep up with incel media consumption what with the wokery, gender wars and the SNP implosions

:laugh:

Seriously checkout Berserk, it's a phenomenal Manga imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever, and then women have been propagandised/radicalised (mainly by men) into believing their world is being taken away and they are being replaced by a new group of "chicks with dicks" to quote our Cambridge educated lawyer.

I would be radicalised too, if that's what I believed. Everyone always believes they can see through propaganda, which of course only ever happens to other people, but all of us are susceptible to it.

On the other side of that, we have trans people just going about their lives, until they became the topic on everyone else's tongue, not to include in discussion, but to be attacked, marginalised and placed in fear. As a marginalised minority, they also have every right and I'd go beyond that to say duty, to actually fight for their lives, because eradicating trans genderism is just starting to be brought up in the US, which means it will be here too, soon enough.

That's a real and fundamental difference; the very people you all opine on everyday, now face these real and targeted threats consistently. I mean, what the fcuk are people doing having rallies to attack people. I know the Nazi thing gets overdone, but Jesus

I've obviously had my issues with TS, but he's tied himself in knots here to try and be understanding, but has been met with nothing more than weirdness about either supporting women, or supporting lady boys. It's just not true.

There are no solutions, no attempt to be understanding, just vitriol and abuse thrown at a marginalised community. I have issues with trans people in sports, and I think maybe that's because I played a lot of sports growing up, but none of you (I'll exclude ts here) are in any way interested in finding a way forward. I think the first time I ever posted on trans issues, I asked what solutions you had, and to this day, tibb is still way more interested in finding attack pieces; which is cool if that's what you want to do, but seriously, I never thought I'd be happy to see a M&H thread appear, because I have to say, most of you are being completely ridiculous.


If you can't see there is an all out culture war attack on trans people at this point, then you'll never see it, but keep up with this hateful language, and it will soon be followed by hateful actions, and then you won't be able to backpedal away from it. I know deep down, that's not what most of you want, but that's where the buy in to this constant noise ends up, because we've all seen one history documentary, or read one book at least.

we get a lot but this must be one of the most self-aggrandised posts from slim in recent memory. the vanity.

[Mystic Mock]

Like who? When?


Being against abortion doesn't mean someone can't be left wing or a feminist tbh.

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

[The Slim Reaper]

we get a lot but this must be one of the most self-aggrandised posts from slim in recent memory. the vanity.

You shouldn't use words when you don't know what they mean, but thank you for admitting you file my posts in your memory.

[Oliver_W]

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.


And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

[user104658]

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Loosely I agree but the problems start to arise when people want to push their own personal moral stance as enforced law for all. There are lots of things that I personally find immoral that I don't think should be made illegal.

[arista]

Kellie-Kay Keen (A/K/A Rosie Parker)
gave a long interview to Free Speech Nation.
(7PM Live Sundays GBnewsHD)
speaking live from the Canary Islands

In NZ those Nazi Protestors
planned their event at the same time as her event.
A 72 year old women got a fractured skull.

She said,the police did not protect her.
that surprised her.

She will be at London's Speakers Corner
1PM next Sunday.

And off to Ireland

She also stated she will tackle Kier Starmer's confusion
in women

[arista]

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[arista]

See LT and Slim

Andrew Doyle on GBnewsHD
gets the Exclusive that BBC can not broadcast like that


Live 7PM every Sunday.

Great Interview

[Mystic Mock]

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

The last time that I checked Donald Trump is a man.

[Mystic Mock]

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Personally I'm not a cheerleader for abortion (I prefer adoption out of the two) but I tend to notice that it is mainly evangelical Republicans (and the equivalent in other countries) that love to tell women if they can have an abortion, and to go to LT's point about "pro-life people all being women" as it's simply not true.

[Livia]

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the absolute state of this :bored:

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1642812104976596993?s=20

[Cherie]

the absolute state of this :bored:

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1642812104976596993?s=20

:bored:

[user104658]

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

Is it not possible to discuss more than one thing at a time?

You've taken a stance that being skeptical/questioning of Posie Parker means being in support of the NZ mob or not condemning (or even maybe justifying) their violent actions which isn't a stance that anyone at all on this thread has actually taken.

[user104658]

the absolute state of this :bored:

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1642812104976596993?s=20

I think politicians find this especially difficult to answer because, being politicians, their compulsion is to give an answer that won't offend anyone even if that means selective non-answering. But the simple fact is that on this issue... you can't. You can't take a stance of not offending anyone. Taking a simplistically firm stance in one direction will offend a large group of people, not answering will piss everyone off, and trying to divide the issue up and take a nuanced stance will clearly also piss off large numbers of people on all sides :joker:. There's no diplomatic voter-pleasing stance to take here so politicians need to just make a decision. Wee Nic ultimately ended up trying to walk a tightrope on the issue, tied herself in knots, and ended her decades-long career in a week.

[Livia]

Is it not possible to discuss more than one thing at a time?

You've taken a stance that being skeptical/questioning of Posie Parker means being in support of the NZ mob or not condemning (or even maybe justifying) their violent actions which isn't a stance that anyone at all on this thread has actually taken.

Oh please explain to me where I 'm going wrong, Mr man. Tell me what MY problem is.

[user104658]

Oh please explain to me where I 'm going wrong, Mr man. Tell me what MY problem is.

You're suggesting that people are defending or spoken in support of the "NZ mob" when no one has but feel free to counter that with a quote.

I don't think anyone knows what your problem is though Livia so I can't help you there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think politicians find this especially difficult to answer because, being politicians, their compulsion is to give an answer that won't offend anyone even if that means selective non-answering. But the simple fact is that on this issue... you can't. You can't take a stance of not offending anyone. Taking a simplistically firm stance in one direction will offend a large group of people, not answering will piss everyone off, and trying to divide the issue up and take a nuanced stance will clearly also piss off large numbers of people on all sides :joker:. There's no diplomatic voter-pleasing stance to take here so politicians need to just make a decision. Wee Nic ultimately ended up trying to walk a tightrope on the issue, tied herself in knots, and ended her decades-long career in a week.

Rishi Sunak was asked that question the other week. He answered it as any rational adult would and guess what.. nowt happened

As did Wes Streeting and again - he is still alive and well.

[Cherie]

Rishi Sunak was asked that question the other week. He answered it as any rational adult would and guess what.. nowt happened

As did Wes Streeting and again - he is still alive and well.

Yes indeed, it's only a problem question if it is skirted around like this twat has done drawing even more attention to himself than he needs to

[Livia]

You're suggesting that people are defending or spoken in support of the "NZ mob" when no one has but feel free to counter that with a quote.

I don't think anyone knows what your problem is though Livia so I can't help you there.

You don't think anyone knows? Grow up.

My only problem is your tiresome counters to everything I've said like you and you alone are right.

[user104658]

My only problem is your tiresome counters to everything I've said like you and you alone are right.

Who are these unusual people who go around saying things when they think they're wrong and other people are right? If you think you're right and I'm wrong I don't know why my opinion bothers you at all. Maybe you secretly know your stance is flimsy, so having it challenged is frustrating?

[Mystic Mock]

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

I don't think that anyone should be pro fracturing someone's skull, unless the victim is a Paedophile or Serial Killer.

[Alf]

Riley Gaines

What's the story?

[Alf]

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