Should parents be allowed to withdraw their children from relationship education.

[Beso]

Bearing in mind relationship education is statutory on the teaching equilibrium, and parents will be find if they allow their children to pull out of these classes.

[Redway]

I suppose but I don’t think that’s a good idea. It’s not like too many parents are going to take time out to lecture their kids about the ol. twig and berry, periods and safe sex.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is this when they are not on strike or on constant holidays?

[Beso]

I suppose but I don’t think that’s a good idea. It’s not like too many parents are going to take time out to lecture their kids about the ol. twig and berry, periods and safe sex.

It's not that simple, the kids get taught about some very diverse ralationships, such as lesbianism and homosexuality. What if the parents religious beliefs go against that? Cause let's face it, it kind of goes against what kids are taught in religious education, where they are taught to accept different types of religions...maybe not christian beliefs, but other religions seem to be force fed.

So where dies that leave a religious mother and father who are strongly Christian. Can they not therefore demand their kids sit out these lessons like the jehova kids did assembly and xmas.:shrug:

[Redway]

Is this when they are not on strike or on constant holidays?

It’ll be 2029 before strike is over at this point.

[Redway]

It's not that simple, the kids get taught about some very diverse ralationships, such as lesbianism and homosexuality. What if the parents religious beliefs go against that? Cause let's face it, it kind of goes against what kids are taught in religious education, where they are taught to accept different types of religions...maybe not christian beliefs, but other religions seem to be force fed.

So where dies that leave a religious mother and father who are strongly Christian. Can they not therefore demand their kids sit out these lessons like the jehova kids did assembly and xmas.:shrug:

Christian/strongly culturally Christian parents are always going to take their kids out of those lessons when it comes to things like LGBT+ acceptance. That’s a good point.

[Beso]

Or is it all about giving the kids the power to make up their own minds after being given the facts?

If so, where does that end? What if a kid wants to have sex with an adult? Does it then become an issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Christian/strongly culturally Christian parents are always going to take their kids out of those lessons when it comes to things like LGBT+ acceptance. That’s a good point.

Redway you are so 2022

its now LGBTQQIP2SAA

and im not even joking

:umm2:

[AnnieK]

Parents should have open and honest conversations with their kids about these matters anyway. My son has asked some pretty leading questions anyway about relationships and I have told him facts in language he will understand. He knows he can come and ask me anything and I'll answer as much as I know is true and we will google if there is anything we are unsure of. It's only been difficult when he's asked anything about boy issues that I don't know so we have to resort to google

I have no issues with what school will teach him....its good to be armed with as much information as possible.

I have no religious beliefs that would be offended by any teaching methods

[Beso]

Parents should have open and honest conversations with their kids about these matters anyway. My son has asked some pretty leading questions anyway about relationships and I have told him facts in language he will understand. He knows he can come and ask me anything and I'll answer as much as I know is true and we will google if there is anything we are unsure of. It's only been difficult when he's asked anything about boy issues that I don't know so we have to resort to google

I have no issues with what school will teach him....its good to be armed with as much information as possible.

I have no religious beliefs that would be offended by any teaching methods



Can I ask 2 questions please.

1. How old is your child.
2 Do you think they would have come and asked about adult things other than the birds and the bees if they hadnt been fed it at school.


Q 2, if you can keep in mind the whole LQBT movement was originally about acceptance and not about teaching the acts that separate it from the birds and the bees.

:blush:

[AnnieK]

Can I ask 2 questions please.

1. How old is your child.
2 Do you think they would have come and asked about adult things other than the birds and the bees if they hadnt been fed it at school.


Q 2, if you can keep in mind the whole LQBT movement was originally about acceptance and not about teaching the acts that separate it from the birds and the bees.

:blush:

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.

[Niamh.]

I suppose but I don’t think that’s a good idea. It’s not like too many parents are going to take time out to lecture their kids about the ol. twig and berry, periods and safe sex.What? Of course parents talk to their kids about that stuff, that's our job fgs

[Cherie]

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.


couldnt agree more

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.

"He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school."

He has learned a bunch of un-scientific tik tok hearsay from friends, movies and social media you mean

School is where he should learn scientific facts from the best scientific minds

sadly it seems teachers are more than happy to peddle BS left wing pop-agenda from social media too "people are born into the wrong sex bodies, only by cutting off your boobs will you not commit suicide.."

:skull:

[Beso]

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.



I'm happy your lad turns to you. I also find it soothing that there will be thousands and thousands of families as loving and trusting as your family that allows a child that comfort annie.


So why even bother teaching stuff like this in school now when kids learn more on the internet though?



And why isnt it about acceptance anymore?

Why is it now about the teaching of doing the acts they hear about on tik tok and places like that?

[AnnieK]

"He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school."

He has learned a bunch of un-scientific tik tok hearsay from friends, movies and social media you mean

School is where he should learn scientific facts from the best scientific minds

sadly it seems teachers are more than happy to peddle BS left wing pop-agenda from social media too "people are born into the wrong sex bodies, only by cutting off your boobs will you not commit suicide.."

:skull:

He has not been taught any of that you are trying peddle...:shrug: You seem to be believing hype you read.

They have been taught about relationships, reproduction, healthy body issues etc. Don't believe everything you see on tic toc or youtube LT :nono: The real world and education is very different.

[AnnieK]

I'm happy your lad turns to you. I also find it soothing that there will be thousands and thousands of families as loving and trusting as your family that allows a child that comfort annie.


So why even bother teaching stuff like this in school now when kids learn more on the internet though?



And why isnt it about acceptance anymore?

Why is it now about the teaching of doing the acts they hear about on tik tok and places like that?

Thank you :love: I have always been open and honest with him and hope as he matures he will be the same and always feel he can come to me.

He has not been taught anything that I have any concerns with, his school is also very open with their syllabus and are open to hear about any concerns parents have. I think a lot of this is whipped up by the media and some schools going off piste witn their teaching because it certainly isn't the norm at my sons school or any of the schools my friends kids go to

[Beso]

Thank you :love: I have always been open and honest with him and hope as he matures he will be the same and always feel he can come to me.

He has not been taught anything that I have any concerns with, his school is also very open with their syllabus and are open to hear about any concerns parents have. I think a lot of this is whipped up by the media and some schools going off piste witn their teaching because it certainly isn't the norm at my sons school or any of the schools my friends kids go to


Relationship studies is in the curriculum so it has to be taught by all secondry schools, and attended by all 1st and 2nd year pupils, so your son will soon come across language and teachings you may not find age appropriate, told to him by a relative stranger he may not feel comfortable with. So just be aware.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He has not been taught any of that you are trying peddle...:shrug: You seem to be believing hype you read.

They have been taught about relationships, reproduction, healthy body issues etc. Don't believe everything you see on tic toc or youtube LT :nono: The real world and education is very different.

how do you know what he taught?

if real education is as you say we would not have the ridiculous social contagion we have at the moment

with women being erased in sports and in speech

surely you are not blind to this??

[user104658]

No. Although in an ideal world they'll have had these talks with parents/carers first and not be "going in blind". If parents didn't care enough to get there first, well... You snooze you lose, I guess?

[Beso]

No. Although in an ideal world they'll have had these talks with parents/carers first and not be "going in blind". If parents didn't care enough to get there first, well... You snooze you lose, I guess?

If a deeply religious set of parent have already taught their children what's right and wrong in relationships then that would mean someone out with the household are teaching them something completely different to what's in the parents heads. One that goes against the religios belief they want their children to be brought up following.So shouldnt their religious beliefs be accepted like the school want to teach into the children during religios education?

[AnnieK]

how do you know what he taught?

if real education is as you say we would not have the ridiculous social contagion we have at the moment

with women being erased in sports and in speech

surely you are not blind to this??
I know what he is taught because I speak to my kid and he tells me. I also know his headteacher personally... I am present and aware pf his education and I dare you to say otherwise. I may not be aware of what he is chats to friends anout but I know for damn sure if he was being taught anything inappropriate I would know in a heartbeat, that kid loves a drama

What social contagion? PHSE has nothing to do with what is going on in sport. Again you seem to be catastrphising from youtube videos

[AnnieK]

Relationship studies is in the curriculum so it has to be taught by all secondry schools, and attended by all 1st and 2nd year pupils, so your son will soon come across language and teachings you may not find age appropriate, told to him by a relative stranger he may not feel comfortable with. So just be aware.

Nothing he will be taught in school will be topics I jave not covered. Its not like they have live sex shows. I have no concerns.....

[Livia]

Christian/strongly culturally Christian parents are always going to take their kids out of those lessons when it comes to things like LGBT+ acceptance. That’s a good point.

For balance... Let's not forget all the other religions ithat are MUCH more militant than the Christians. Had to say this because I've seen the Christians take an unfair bashing on here lately when the reality is other religions are far less accepting.

[user104658]

So shouldnt their religious beliefs be accepted like the school want to teach into the children during religious education?

Exactly the opposite; schools should teach observable knowledge and theory and not pander to anti-scientific religious dogma. If parents want their kids to be taught about spooky ghosts in caves and bearded men in the sky (as fact, rather than as myth), they can homeschool or send them to a specific religious school. Fairy tales have no place in a secular state education other than as stories.

I would be concerned if high school sex ed classes actually were "peddling an agenda" but as far as I can tell from actual real-world accounts that isn't happening, or at least, it certainly isn't happening here. Yet? Who knows, but currently it isn't.

[Livia]

Because everyone with a faith is an idiot. I hear it on here day after day as nauseum.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah RSE is generally "agenda free" at the moment.

[user104658]

Because everyone with a faith is an idiot. I hear it on here day after day as nauseum.

I don't think everyone who has faith is unintelligent. Some are of course just following what they've been taught generationally without question and that is pretty dumb, but there are of course plenty who have their own individual faith through what I'd describe as (very briefly; it's obviously much more complex) elaborate wishful thinking. If you WANT something to be true badly enough, you can make it make sense.

[Cherie]

From my knowledge parents have always had the right to withdraw their children but this might have changed

[Livia]

I don't think everyone who has faith is unintelligent. Some are of course just following what they've been taught generationally without question and that is pretty dumb, but there are of course plenty who have their own individual faith through what I'd describe as (very briefly; it's obviously much more complex) elaborate wishful thinking. If you WANT something to be true badly enough, you can make it make sense.

What I understand is this: people without faith really don't understand it and reduce it to the ridiculous.

[Liam-]

Sure, do I think made up religions are more important than important life lessons? Absolutely not, but parents have the right to parent their child how they want to as long as they’re not being abused or put in danger, if parents want to raise their children to be sheltered and repressed by religion? Awful, but that’s their prerogative

[Alf]

He is 12
He has learned far more about sex and relationships from friends, msm, movies, general news etc than he has at school. He will hear a term and ask about it. As I said we have very open dialogue and if he asks I answer in age appropriate language.

I would rather he know and understand what a relationship is about and know that his happiness is all that matters, I couldn't care less who he falls in love with as long as he is in a happy healthy relationship.Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

[Livia]

Sure, do I think made up religions are more important than important life lessons? Absolutely not, but parents have the right to parent their child how they want to as long as they’re not being abused or put in danger, if parents want to raise their children to be sheltered and repressed by religion? Awful, but that’s their prerogative

Again, you're speaking as if you know something people with faith don't. You don't understand it so it's stupid.

[user104658]

What I understand is this: people without faith really don't understand it and reduce it to the ridiculous.

I understand it, the definition is in the term "faith" - unfounded belief.

Everyone has the right to believe as they believe and live their life as they want to live it, but teaching unfounded claims in schools as anything more than what they factually are ("this is what some people believe") is not an education it's an indoctrination. "God Is Real"/"Trans Women Are Women" ... there's no substantive difference in these statements - but you have no issue at all in insisting that one shouldn't be taught to children.

[Niamh.]

Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

Someone who makes him happy, that's what she said

[Livia]

I understand it, the definition is in the term "faith" - unfounded belief.

Everyone has the right to believe as they believe and live their life as they want to live it, but teaching unfounded claims in schools as anything more than what they factually are ("this is what some people believe") is not an education it's an indoctrination. "God Is Real"/"Trans Women Are Women" ... there's no substantive difference in these statements - but you have no issue at all in insisting that one shouldn't be taught to children.

I bet you really love your wife and kids. You won't be able to explain that love but you know it's real. If I asked you to prove it, you couldn't. Your love is real so trans women are real?

For the record, I don't think one religion should be taught in schools. I went to religious school outside normal school hours.

[Beso]

Exactly the opposite; schools should teach observable knowledge and theory and not pander to anti-scientific religious dogma. If parents want their kids to be taught about spooky ghosts in caves and bearded men in the sky (as fact, rather than as myth), they can homeschool or send them to a specific religious school. Fairy tales have no place in a secular state education other than as stories.



I would be concerned if high school sex ed classes actually were "peddling an agenda" but as far as I can tell from actual real-world accounts that isn't happening, or at least, it certainly isn't happening here. Yet? Who knows, but currently it isn't.So it's ok for kids to be taught men can be women, but not ok to teach them about god. Is that what you agree with?

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[AnnieK]

Well if you say you want him in a happy and healthy relationship, doesn't that mean that you do care who he falls in love with?

I said I don't care as long as he is happy so I had actually clarified that already

[Beso]

From my knowledge parents have always had the right to withdraw their children but this might have changed

Only primary school children......

Primary schools that choose to teach sex education must allow parents a right to withdraw their children. Unlike sex education in RSE at secondary, in primary schools, headteachers must comply with a parent’s wish to withdraw their child from sex education beyond the national curriculum for science.

Schools will want to draw on the good practice for conversations with parents around the right to withdraw.

Schools must also ensure that their teaching and materials are appropriate having regard to the age and religious backgrounds of their pupils. Schools will also want to recognise the significance of other factors, such as any special educational needs or disabilities of their pupils.

[Oliver_W]

Schools will also want to recognise the significance of other factors, such as any special educational needs or disabilities of their pupils.

Mate try talking to a class of kids with behavioural difficulties about RSE :joker:

[user104658]

So it's ok for kids to be taught men can be women, but not ok to teach them about god. Is that what you agree with?

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It's ok (in fact, important) for kids to be taught that some men call themselves women and personally identify as women, just as it's OK to teach children that some people are religious and believe in various gods (these are facts about the world and society).

It's not OK to teach kids that some men ARE women, or that there IS a god (these are opinions that some believe and some don't).

[Beso]

xQf5wfVzHZU

[Livia]

It's ok (in fact, important) for kids to be taught that some men call themselves women and personally identify as women, just as it's OK to teach children that some people are religious and believe in various gods (these are facts about the world and society).

It's not OK to teach kids that some men ARE women, or that there IS a god (these are opinions that some believe and some don't).

Got to agree with that.

[Redway]

For balance... Let's not forget all the other religions ithat are MUCH more militant than the Christians. Had to say this because I've seen the Christians take an unfair bashing on here lately when the reality is other religions are far less accepting.

The thing is, Livia, I actually don’t disagree with you about Islam being the most anti-gay religion in the world. The reason I didn’t mention them explicitly is because it kind of almost goes without saying (not that I actively dislike the religion as a whole but in terms of Islamic perceptions of sexuality it’s been a mess from the very start). There’s no doubt about that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

xQf5wfVzHZU

teachers...:umm2:

[Oliver_W]

Oh yeah these people being paid to educate children, how dare they expect to be paid fairly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh yeah these people being paid to educate children, how dare they expect to be paid fairly.

and a tiny minority of "union execs" tell them what is "fair" to justify their own jobs

what jobs get a "fair wage"?

bin men
tree-surgeons
hookers
Accountants
Roofers

?

[Oliver_W]

Hardly anyone is getting fair pay rises, hence the mass dissatisfaction and strikes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hardly anyone is getting fair pay rises, hence the mass dissatisfaction and strikes.

what is fair after a pandemic and with a war in Europe?

if you never lost a days wage in Pandemic how fair is bleating about wages to those that lost 12 months?

If you sat on your arse at home on full pay pretending to do a day's work in 2 hours?

[Cherie]

what is fair after a pandemic and with a war in Europe?

if you never lost a days wage in Pandemic how fair is bleating about wages to those that lost 12 months?

If you sat on your arse at home on full pay pretending to do a day's work in 2 hours?


dont judge SB too harshly :worry:

[user104658]

dont judge SB too harshly :worry:

It's not LT's fault that he conflates economic worth to a company with "man hours" of mindless labour rather than the value of experience and the work produced ... I understand that it must be frustrating to still be nose-to-the-grindstone like that. We've all been there. Heck, we all may be back there if everything goes to **** :joker:. But why begrudge it in the meantime just because you don't have it? I've done my time damnit :fist:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

shirk from home

[Cherie]

shirk from home

You work from home :hmph:

I have just done my work on my laptop in bed :hehe:

[Cherie]

Kevin Ford, 54, is set to get over $400,000, the equivalent of £318,180, for his retirement.

This is in recognition of his services as an employee of Burger King where he works in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Last year, a video of Mr Ford went viral which showed him opening up a gift bag as a reward for not missing a day of work in 27 years.

Thousands of Americans were moved by the clip and believed he should be given another gift.

Since then, a GoFundme fundraiser for his retirement has been set up in his honour, which has seen donations from celebrities such as David Spade.

Currently, the campaign has raised $401,670 (£319,508.40) for Mr Ford's retirement with the goal to hit $450,000 (£357,952.50).

His daughter Seryna set up the fundraiser to help pay for her father to visit his grandchildren in Texas.

Originally, the goal was a couple of hundred dollars but has since ballooned to over $400,000 very quickly.

She shared on the page why she has set up a GoFundMe fundraiser for her father's retirement.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/burger-king-worker-gifted-318k-for-retirement-after-not-missing-day-of-work-in-27-years/ar-AA1aIVne?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1c0db2449f284531a0a4b7f4e6fac569&ei=11

[Cherie]

I shall be setting up a Cherie's very early retirement Go fund me page, please give what you can to this worthy cause

[user104658]

You work from home :hmph:

I have just done my work on my laptop in bed :hehe:

I worked Monday and have taken today as the bank holiday day off in lieu, AL day tomorrow and another bank holiday Monday :joker:. Fancied 5 days in a row off. Some people are just jealous Cherie!

[user104658]

Kevin Ford, 54, is set to get over $400,000, the equivalent of £318,180, for his retirement.

This is in recognition of his services as an employee of Burger King where he works in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Last year, a video of Mr Ford went viral which showed him opening up a gift bag as a reward for not missing a day of work in 27 years.

Thousands of Americans were moved by the clip and believed he should be given another gift.

Since then, a GoFundme fundraiser for his retirement has been set up in his honour, which has seen donations from celebrities such as David Spade.

Currently, the campaign has raised $401,670 (£319,508.40) for Mr Ford's retirement with the goal to hit $450,000 (£357,952.50).

His daughter Seryna set up the fundraiser to help pay for her father to visit his grandchildren in Texas.

Originally, the goal was a couple of hundred dollars but has since ballooned to over $400,000 very quickly.

She shared on the page why she has set up a GoFundMe fundraiser for her father's retirement.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/burger-king-worker-gifted-318k-for-retirement-after-not-missing-day-of-work-in-27-years/ar-AA1aIVne?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1c0db2449f284531a0a4b7f4e6fac569&ei=11

I hear "no sick days in X years" and instantly assume "****er came to work sick countless times, got other people sick, and cost the company and the customers 100x more productivity than he would have if he'd just stayed home".

The idea of "come in at all costs" is such a false economy. MULTIPLE times as a manager I had a staff member come in sick (as in properly sick) "not wanting to inconvenience people" only to get 3 other members of staff sick as well. Madness. If you're ill stay at home ffs.

[Oliver_W]

I hear "no sick days in X years" and instantly assume "****er came to work sick countless times, got other people sick, and cost the company and the customers 100x more productivity than he would have if he'd just stayed home".

The idea of "come in at all costs" is such a false economy. MULTIPLE times as a manager I had a staff member come in sick (as in properly sick) "not wanting to inconvenience people" only to get 3 other members of staff sick as well. Madness. If you're ill stay at home ffs.
This.

I meeeaaaaan ... Not to demean anyone, but he only works at Burger King :joker: does it really matter if someone doesn't show up? Especially in a place where they're handling food, as you say.

[bots]

it was a genuine work ethic that people had back in the day. People thought differently back then

[Livia]

This.

I meeeaaaaan ... Not to demean anyone, but he only works at Burger King :joker: does it really matter if someone doesn't show up? Especially in a place where they're handling food, as you say.

There is no shame in honest toil.

[user104658]

This.

I meeeaaaaan ... Not to demean anyone, but he only works at Burger King :joker: does it really matter if someone doesn't show up? Especially in a place where they're handling food, as you say.

In the UK at least, if you've had sickness or diarrhea / stomach bug it's considered a public health hazard to work with food until 48h after it stops. Are we to believe this chap didn't once have a tummy bug in several decades?? :umm2:

[user104658]

it was a genuine work ethic that people had back in the day. People thought differently back then

You mean they had shoddy employment laws and shoddy employers so they had no sick pay, and they had to turn up even when unwell (and make everyone else unwell) because otherwise they wouldn't be able to pay their bills. And they had to justify it as "work ethic", or else people would become so despondent with the rat race that they'd spiral into depression?

The good ol' days.

[bots]

your framing it from todays perspective which just doesn't fit with the reality of that time

[AnnieK]

In the UK at least, if you've had sickness or diarrhea / stomach bug it's considered a public health hazard to work with food until 48h after it stops. Are we to believe this chap didn't once have a tummy bug in several decades?? :umm2:

I have been on this earth for a number of decades and I can hand on heart say I have NEVER had a stomach bug. I have a stomach of steel, other than for over-consumption of alcohol I am never sick. I didn't get morning sickness either. My main weakness is a bad chest if I get a cold but I honestly have never caught a stomach bug. My kid is the same - when these bugs rip through classrooms, he has never once caught one.

[user104658]

your framing it from todays perspective which just doesn't fit with the reality of that time

It fits the reality of human history, is at the heart of modern capitalism (John Locke) but goes back much further via religion. The concept that toil = worthiness has been used to the benefit of workmasters for millenia.

A desire to work hard to better oneself or progress is good. A "work ethic" is not that, it's the (false) belief that hard work is in itself a moral good and it's own reward. Who do you think that ultimately benefits? Of course it was the lords of the land - not the serfs doing the heavy lifting. And the lords dictated the religion and thus controlled the moral narrative.

Still going on to this day. "Look at my rough hands from all the work I've done - that makes me a GOOD PERSON!", exclaimed many a bitter, neglectful, violent old man.