Cardiff disorder 2 Teens died in Police Chase, Riot

[arista]

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[Rioters attack police on Cardiff estate after
two teenagers die in e-scooter crash - but force hits
back at social media rumours of a 'chase'
and insist accident had 'already occurred'
when they arrived
Hundreds of rioters clashed with police
in Snowden Road, Ely, on Monday night
Chaotic scenes as thugs attacked riot officers
and set vehicles on fire in Cardiff]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12112945/Riot-police-deployed-scene-crash-Cardiff.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65677472

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiff-police-car-damaged-and-fireworks-thrown-at-officers-in-large-scale-disorder-which-broke-out-at-crash-scene-12887256

[Oliver_W]

Sounds confusing - how are the riots and the escooter crash connected?

[bots]

so the police lied about only arriving after the accident had happened, and they were in fact following them when it happened

The police just get worse and worse



South Wales Police and Crime Commissioner Alun Michael declined to comment on social media footage appearing to show a police van following two people on either a moped or electric bike, apparently minutes before the crash.

He said: "You should examine the carefully-worded statement from the chief superintendent."

[arista]

Although a Police Van was following
the Electric Scooter.

But in the Crash
the 2 lads hit a Car

Police were not with them
as the died in a crash with a car

[arista]

Kyrees Sullivan, 15, and Harvey Evans, 16,

Both Died as they hit a Car.

They are to blame
it was their own fault
speeding the bike

[arista]

The 2 Dead lads
Photo when they were younger
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/11/71307805-12114697-image-a-2_1684839058489.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/12/71308913-12114697-Harvey_Evans-m-31_1684841330986.jpg

Dead : Harvey Evans

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/12/71308721-12114697-Downing_Street_today_said_the_carnage_was_appallin g_and_complete-a-32_1684841340577.jpg

Dead : Kyrees Sullivan

[bots]

the police still lied about their involvement

[arista]

the police still lied about their involvement

Sure


But the Died by Hitting a Car

No Police there
at the time

[Liam-]

Why lie about it if you’ve got nothing to hide

[bots]

Sure


But the Died by Hitting a Car

No Police there
at the time

they were following them, they couldn't be more involved, and they said they only turned up later. That is a lie

[arista]

they were following them, they couldn't be more involved, and they said they only turned up later. That is a lie


Sure


But the 2 lads died hitting a Car.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/09/71303759-12114451-image-a-19_1684832278671.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/12/71308915-12114697-Speaking_to_MailOnline_friends_of_the_two_boys_sai d_they_were_mo-a-24_1684841245042.jpg

Dead: Harvey Evans

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/09/71303633-12114451-image-a-18_1684832273856.jpg

Big Clear up.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/11/71303761-12114697-Cardiff_council_workers_try_to_sweep_up_the_mess_l eft_by_yobs-a-1_1684837877294.jpg

[Alf]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/09/71303633-12114451-image-a-18_1684832273856.jpg

Big Clear up.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/11/71303761-12114697-Cardiff_council_workers_try_to_sweep_up_the_mess_l eft_by_yobs-a-1_1684837877294.jpgWaste of time. Probably be another riot tonight.

[UserSince2005]

Pictures of the boys tells me all I need to know.
Arrest the rioters
Scum

[arista]

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[Quantum Boy]

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.

[Alf]

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.Not sure it was a scooter. I believe it was an E-bike.

If they're getting chased by the Police, then they should pull over, it's as simple as that. If you run from the Police, they're gonna chase you.

While it's tragic that they lost their lives, you can't blame anyone but themselves. If you play with feathers, you're gonna get your arse tickled.



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[Oliver_W]

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.

As recent riots taught us, no matter what crimes someone was committing at the time, dying as a consequence is always the police's fault, and always justifies riots.

[Cherie]

I literally hate it when they put things like this down to kids living in deprived areas... there are many kids from deprived areas who do not cause issues for the general public

[Cherie]

Also I have no idea what the police following were thinking saying they were not involved :shrug: how stupid to think there would be no video evidence, and finally setting fire to peoples hard earned cars in a deprived area does not see like much of a stance to me

[bots]

it's a mess, of course the police have to maintain law and order on the road and it can be a tricky balancing act between getting involved in a chase, but they should have come clean about the vans presence. The blanket denial just makes them look really bad

[arista]

Police now giving a conference
A lady speaking Deputy Rachel bacon


At the Time of the Lads Collision/Death
Police were half a mile away.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/24/14/71357579-12119607-A_new_video_shows_a_police_van_following_an_e_bike _just_minutes_-a-60_1684936565897.jpg

Two Dumb Lads
racing to their death

[UserSince2005]

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To Dumb Lads
racing to their death

glad you said it.

Darwin awards?

[arista]

Press
asked questions


She gave the Timeline

But the Cocky Press claimed they were incorrect


She then left

[arista]

glad you said it.

Darwin awards?


Yes Speeding into a Bus
Real Dumb.

[arista]

The officers following in the van
did nothing wrong.

[Quantum Boy]

I'm not going to start blaming a couple of teenagers for their own deaths; it's a sad state of affairs no matter how you look at it, and they also (obviously) had no part in the events that followed.

However I can't help but think, especially after seeing photos, that the police were following them specifically because what they were doing was clearly not safe and they were at high risk of an accident regardless ... I can't see any real indication that the accident was caused by the police following them, and I think the original police statement was saying that the police weren't directly involved in the collision (it was between the bike and another vehicle).

Though I am struggling to understand why they weren't clearer about that part, i.e. "Yes they were being followed by police because they were doing something dangerous, the police van wasn't involved in the collision and arrived at the scene soon after it happened".

It's not like they were in a "high speed chase" caused by the police following them, these bikes have a top speed of about 25mph and with two people on it, it can't have been doing much over 20mph - being chased or otherwise.

The issue of course is that any collision on a bike can easily be fatal if you're not wearing a helmet.

[arista]

Sure TS
the Police Stopped Chasing Motorbike with the 2 lads
They were half a mile away as they crashed into the bus

It was their own dumb fault
to go at Max Speed into a Bus.

[arista]

[Family friend say Cops 'lost' them after they
took shortcut through blocked street]


That is why TS
Cops were half a mile away
at the time of their death.

[arista]

[The issue of course is that any collision on a bike
can easily be fatal if you're not wearing a helmet.]


Yes TS
that's why I call the 2 lads dumb.

[UserSince2005]

Lets just be thankful they only killed themselves with their recklessness and not a innocent bystander, or even a little child.

[arista]

BBC1 showed
the Junction the 2 lads could ride through.

No Police in a Car or Van can not get through.

[arista]

Lets just be thankful they only killed themselves with their recklessness and not a innocent bystander, or even a little child.

Great points

[hijaxers]

I expect the bike was stolen too as they are expensive and the news said its a very deprived area.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its sad the police have to deal with this parenting failures 24/7

[Beso]

so the police lied about only arriving after the accident had happened, and they were in fact following them when it happened

The police just get worse and worse



South Wales Police and Crime Commissioner Alun Michael declined to comment on social media footage appearing to show a police van following two people on either a moped or electric bike, apparently minutes before the crash.

He said: "You should examine the carefully-worded statement from the chief superintendent."




The pursuing vehicle was half a mile away at the time of the crash. They had ceased pursuing them because it was to dangerous.

[Livia]

its sad the police have to deal with this parenting failures 24/7

What I was going to say...

[bots]

Two police officers are under investigation for their conduct prior to the death of two boys in a bike crash in Cardiff which led to rioting.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said gross misconduct notices had been served on the driver and passenger in a police van seen driving behind two boys on an e-bike.

Kyrees Sullivan, 16, and Harvey Evans, 15, died in the crash on 22 May.

The notices do not mean officers will face disciplinary proceedings.

The IPOC said its investigation focused on the nature of the police interaction with the two boys before the crash and the appropriateness of the officers' decisions and actions.

In particular, the police watchdog said it was examining whether the officers in the police vehicle were pursuing the boys.

Cars were set alight and fireworks thrown at police as 100 to 150 people gathered in the Cardiff suburb of Ely on the night of the crash.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65893769


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What's even more concerning is the way that whole police force tried to cover it up