🌊🛟🚢Titanic Disaster 2023🦑ALL HOPE LOST🦑DEBRIS FOUND🚢🛟🌊

[arista]

Another Update
from the Coast Guard at 8PM tonight Live in Boston.

[UserSince2005]

I’m praying to the gay gods tonight that they shall be saved

Gay gods don’t exist 😭

[UserSince2005]

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Haha love it

[Cherie]

The nose and the landing frame of Titan are part of the debris field found :sad:

[bots]

The nose and the landing frame of Titan are part of the debris field found :sad:

well that's that then. At least it would have been quick

[Vanessa]

Yes, I think it may have imploded because of the amount of pressure.
Something has gone wrong.

[Cherie]

maybe the hull is still intact hence the knocking

[AnnieK]

I hope they did implode and died instantly. The thought of them sitting down there for days, waiting to die would have been akin to torture. Plus the stress on their bodies of being cramped would be unbearable even before you start factoring in the oxygen issues

[Josiah.]

Even if the hull is still in tact, it's still disheartening to know that the sub is gone. It most definitely imploded because of the pressure; because you're looking at pressure 400 times what it is at the surface when you go down 6,000 metres.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD

says Frame and Rear Cover

found

[Glenn.]

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The state of humanity these days

[arista]

Even if the hull is still in tact, it's still disheartening to know that the sub is gone. It most definitely imploded because of the pressure; because you're looking at pressure 400 times what it is at the surface when you go down 6,000 metres.

And now the Landing Frame and Rear Cover
found.

Real Tragic Ending

[arista]

8PM (UK Time) Boston due to go Live

[UserSince2005]

Again the pressures aren’t as high as they are making out because if they were how is the titanic still standing?

[bots]

Again the pressures aren’t as high as they are making out because if they were how is the titanic still standing?

because its metal

[bots]

Again the pressures aren’t as high as they are making out because if they were how is the titanic still standing?

because its metal and open

[Quantum Boy]

Again the pressures aren’t as high as they are making out because if they were how is the titanic still standing?

Its not a variable thing, pressure is what it is at depth. It's literally the weight of the water above.

Its nit that the water crushes the metal itself - it crushes the hull because there's air inside and the water pressure vs the air pressure causes it to implode. Think, stamping on an empty Coke can. Any sealed air pockets within the titanic would indeed have been crushed.

[Quantum Boy]

The nose and the landing frame of Titan are part of the debris field found :sad:

This is actually the best possible news in this scenario if it was a sudden structural failure. The sub was never realistically recoverable and of all outcomes, a quick and painless death is far preferable to the alternative. Pressure at that depth is so high that they probably wouldn't even have known that it went wrong. They'd have been dead in less than a second.

[Alf]

A video from Toy Soldiers favourite Incel.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

go woke

go dead

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Live Now in Boston.

[MTVN]

Very sad, I thought we were going to get a minor miracle like the Chilean miners, Thai cave kids, the kids in the forest etc but it wasn't to be

[Swan]

So if it imploded, what were the confirmed knocking sounds heard?

[bots]

So if it imploded, what were the confirmed knocking sounds heard?

wishful thinking

[bots]

Officials said five major pieces were detected amid the debris around the Titanic site.

Among them, a nose cone, outside the pressure hull, and a larger debris field.

[Glenn.]

Let’s hope the debris didn’t pollute the wreck area

[Zizu]

I still don’t understood why if they were charging £200,000 per person.. so a huge amount of money each trip ..

Why on Earth was it cobbled together on the cheap ??


It makes no sense .


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[Beso]

Funny how over 100 refugees died the other week from one boat, but that only got about 6 hours news time.

[Zizu]

Funny how over 100 refugees died the other week from one boat, but that only got about 6 hours news time.


That’s my take on the matter …


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[LaLaLand]

Imploding is a much "better" (for want of a better word) way to go than slowly suffocating to death which was the alternative. They probably didn't know much about what happened considering the pressure down there... RIP to them.

Hopefully this is a lesson to everyone not to do anything like this. Just ridiculously dangerous and flawed.

[hijaxers]

Sad to hear the son didnt want to go , his father convinced him. So sad but i think the outcome will be the vessel was unfit for purpose. It went down without proper checks and every time it went down it got weaker , it was totally not up to it.

[UserSince2005]

Funny how over 100 refugees died the other week from one boat, but that only got about 6 hours news time.

It’s times like these I realise that the world isn’t as ****ed as it first seems
We still all have our moral compass deep down.

[Beso]

I wonder where the tapping came from.

[rusticgal]

I still don’t understood why if they were charging £200,000 per person.. so a huge amount of money each trip ..

Why on Earth was it cobbled together on the cheap ??


It makes no sense .


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Greed….despite all the forms they were made to sign this company will be sued left right and centre…
It’s tragic…but the 19 year old must have trusted his father and his life has been cut short.

[UserSince2005]

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[bots]

Amazon has begun moderating the reviews section of the now infamous games controller used to control the missing Titan sub.

As news of the missing sub spread earlier this week, bad taste reviews began to appear on the shopping giant’s page for the Logitech F710 controller.

Users posted about the controller "not being good at steering a submarine" and "losing signal in the ocean".

Before the fate of the crew aboard the sub became clear, the posts received hundreds of approvals from other shoppers and some were made into viral TikTok videos.

Amazon has started deleting the reviews as it’s understood they do not comply with community guidelines.

The Logitech F710 controller is a popular games console accessory which wirelessly connects to gaming consoles and PCs.

The relatively cheap £33 ($42) controller has become a focal point of the technology on the Titan since videos of the company CEO using it were posted online.

[UserSince2005]

Its not a variable thing, pressure is what it is at depth. It's literally the weight of the water above.

Its nit that the water crushes the metal itself - it crushes the hull because there's air inside and the water pressure vs the air pressure causes it to implode. Think, stamping on an empty Coke can. Any sealed air pockets within the titanic would indeed have been crushed.

This makes sense now.
The news needs to stop comparing the pressure to weight.
Two completely different things
They keep saying how it’s like 1000 elephants on top of you or 1 Eiffel tower.

[Oliver_W]

Funny how over 100 refugees died the other week from one boat, but that only got about 6 hours news time.

Until the facilitating criminal gangs are stopped, migrants will be constantly dying while trying to cross bodies of water.

[bots]

migrants dying in boats happens every week. The sub was a one off event. That's the difference

[Oliver_W]

migrants dying in boats happens every week. The sub was a one off event. That's the difference

Pretty much. Drawing comparisons is pretty pointless really.

[Cherie]

migrants dying in boats happens every week. The sub was a one off event. That's the difference

indeed and it has been the first catastrophe of this nature in a long time

[Oliver_W]

I'd love to explore the Titanic tbh

When that guy on the C5 thing last night was showing pictures from his dive, my first thought was, how could you leave those dinner plates?! I'd take one and eat every meal off it.

[Oliver_W]

I wonder where the tapping came from.

The ocean is a big place. All sorts of weird noises. If you've got a stream of sounds, you can Rorschach your way into thinking they include almost anything.

[bots]

they reckon the tapping came from one of the rescue boats

[UserSince2005]

I think the tapping was Jack banging some random ghost broad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Funny how over 100 refugees died the other week from one boat, but that only got about 6 hours news time.

Its not

Its the hierarchy of death

its natural and has always been thus

[Crimson Dynamo]

They made a movie about those two divers who were left behind after a dive and eaten by sharks so people being alive to tell the tale and a happy ending is not a prerequisite

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Water_(film)

also the movie about the 9/11 hijacked plane ....

movie is defo on the cards

yes

just add "based on true life events" in the opening credits then make any old sh1t up

[Nicky91]

was it metal fatigue? caused by bad maintenance


or something more sinister, a bomb?



i really watch too much Air Crash Investigation, i'm really in my own investigators mood now


if i were one of those investigators i wanna take a look at the maintenance logs of the vessel, because this one made more trips down there

[bots]

it was a carbon fibre capsule which requires constant monitoring of its integrity

It was basically a micky mouse outfit that was not subject to any meaningful regulation. If they had been regulated, they would never have been allowed to operate

[Nicky91]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-fiber-reinforced_polymers

yeah Bots, but carbon fibre is basically used for a lot of things, not just this capsule but also planes


what investigators now need to look for, is how much stress was on this capsule with every single dive leading up to this fatal one


+ was there something done differently this time around, and we know they use video game controllers to operate that capsule, was the one operating this on this fatal journey qualified enough


like with planes, they also need serious maintenance work after and before every flight, and yes some maintenance crew do cut some corners out of budget concerns etc, same with Alaska Airlines one who plunged into the ocean near california, after the tail came off and damaged the aircraft massively, also with metal fatigue as main cause

[Beso]

Pretty much. Drawing comparisons is pretty pointless really.



I know which one I think deserved more news coverage...

[Quantum Boy]

Planes and submarines aren't really comparable, planes are pressurised inside and yes it's a disaster for passengers if it depressurise (because they need oxygen...) but the external pressure is less than internal and the difference isn't actually huge.

The water pressure forces when submerged deep are huge. Unimaginable really. Thousands of PSI. Such huge pressure that when the air gets compressed (in a split second) it also heats up to unimaginable temperatures.

Id say again that it's somewhat a blessing that this is what happened rather than them being trapped to suffocate in the dark. Truly the stuff of horror movies there. This? They would have been dead before they even knew there was a problem. Literally one of the quickest deaths possible.

[arista]

it was a carbon fibre capsule which requires constant monitoring of its integrity

It was basically a micky mouse outfit that was not subject to any meaningful regulation. If they had been regulated, they would never have been allowed to operate


Sadly True.

[arista]

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[arista]

Reports the 19 year did not want to go,
he was scared

[bots]

the simple reality is that once they got the proper robot vehicle in place, it took it less than an hour to identify what had happened. The last few days have been a load of inaccurate speculation

[thesheriff443]

the simple reality is that once they got the proper robot vehicle in place, it took it less than an hour to identify what had happened. The last few days have been a load of inaccurate speculation

But how long did it take to get the robot sub in place ?

[bots]

But how long did it take to get the robot sub in place ?

Until yesterday

[thesheriff443]

The biggest lesson that should be learned from this is,
Don’t pressure your kids into doing something they don’t want to do.

[thesheriff443]

Until yesterday

Well it’s only natural that there would be a mixture of hope /fears / and speculation

[bots]

The biggest lesson that should be learned from this is,
Don’t pressure your kids into doing something they don’t want to do.

it's all about acceptable risk really, but obviously if you suggest it to your child and they look at you like you are mad and then appear very reluctant, you drop it.

The risk level on that trip was enormous. When it has a waver on death, you have to say ... is this something i really want to subject my son to. 99.9999% of parents wouldn't subject their child to that level of risk

[thesheriff443]

it's all about acceptable risk really, but obviously if you suggest it to your child and they look at you like you are mad and then appear very reluctant, you drop it.

The risk level on that trip was enormous. When it has a waver on death, you have to say ... is this something i really want to subject my son to. 99.9999% of parents wouldn't subject their child to that level of risk

But there is always one and in this case it cost a young man his life.

[Livia]

How long did it take to find the Titanic? 70 years? 80? I never thought they'd find them and haven't we heard enough now?

[Quantum Boy]

The biggest lesson that should be learned from this is,
Don’t pressure your kids into doing something they don’t want to do.

I agree. Overall I'd say for those who chose to do it ... no it's not something I'd have chosen to do, but many adults have dangerous hobbies (and have died doing them) - caving, base jumping, various other extreme sports - and it's up to the individual if they want to take the risk ...

I don't really see this being all that different to the numerous people who have died trying to climb Everest. Just down instead of up.

But if the above is true about the young lad not wanting to do it and being pressured (excuse the pun) into doing it by his dad then that is truly tragic. You can imagine the rhetoric really. Telling him to man up, stop being a coward, etc. when he was like "We might die". And then they died :facepalm:. I hope there's an afterlife so that he gets to say "I ****ing told you so dad!"

[Livia]

The difference between climbing Everest and travelling to the bottom of the ocean is, thousands of people climb Everest every year. A better comparison would be Jeff Bezos and his incredible flying penis-rocket. Only the very rich can experience it and sometimes they die. Then we have days and days of mourning and lamenting while ordinary people dying hardly makes the news.

[Quantum Boy]

The difference between climbing Everest and travelling to the bottom of the ocean is, thousands of people climb Everest every year. A better comparison would be Jeff Bezos and his incredible flying penis-rocket. Only the very rich can experience it and sometimes they die. Then we have days and days of mourning and lamenting while ordinary people dying hardly makes the news.

I was thinking more the early days of Everest mountaineering-tourism, when it was only the rich doing it and there were regularly incidents and deaths (and lots of deaths prior to anyone making it to the summit at all). These days there's better equipment and they've perfected the process so there are queues up the mountainside during "summit season" :laugh:.

But very true about space. There will definitely be similar incidents with "space tourism for millionaires".

The above about Everest though, does make me wonder if in 50+ years time there will be regular expeditions to the Titanic and it won't be considered all that risky at all :think:. And maybe some sort of ... space hotel ... or space-Disneyland.

[Livia]

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

[UserSince2005]

The above about Everest though, does make me wonder if in 50+ years time there will be regular expeditions to the Titanic and it won't be considered all that risky at all :think:. And maybe some sort of ... space hotel ... or space-Disneyland.

I didn’t even know you could go to the titanic as a tourist.
Now everyone knows
And in the future is will definitely be a bucket list thing when the equipment and experience is much better
Funny how such a terrible thing will actually be great publicity in the future

[Vanessa]

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

I agree. It's a masa grave and should be left alone.
Let the poor souls rest.

[Vanessa]

I didn’t even know you could go to the titanic as a tourist.
Now everyone knows
And in the future is will definitely be a bucket list thing when the equipment and experience is much better
Funny how such a terrible thing will actually be great publicity in the future

Yes. At the moment we don't have the technology yet.

[UserSince2005]

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.

[UserSince2005]

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

Til the very last piece remains people will go. Infact the less that remains the more people will go because it will be a “last chance” to see thing.

[bots]

I've done some things over the years that when i look back were risky as hell. I think if your mind is set on doing something, it blocks out potential consequences. That doesn't apply to other peoples welfare though and subjecting a family member to unacceptable risk to satisfy your own dream is just a no no

[Livia]

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.

I'm sure you believe that.

[Vanessa]

I've done some things over the years that when i look back were risky as hell. I think if your mind is set on doing something, it blocks out potential consequences. That doesn't apply to other peoples welfare though and subjecting a family member to unacceptable risk to satisfy your own dream is just a no no

But you should always make sure there is a safety procedure in case things go wrong.

[arista]

But you should always make sure there is a safety procedure in case things go wrong.


That CEO that died
did not take on the Danger


Also having 5 could be too many

Best for 2 people

[arista]

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.


how nice

[Cherie]

stbf we only have the aunts words that the son was terrified and didn't want to do it and apparently she and her brother had not spoken in years as they did not agree with her lifestyle choices, so you have to wonder at her motives, bad enough for the family without an aunt who is not part of the family putting the boot in, she didn't look exactly grieving on camera this morning, pretty composed really, I know that everyone reacts differently, but it seems a ****ty thing to say given there is a sister (and I presume other closer family members) out there

[AnnieK]

stbf we only have the aunts words that the son was terrified and didn't want to do it and apparently she and her brother had not spoken in years as they did not agree with her lifestyle choices, so you have to wonder at her motives, bad enough for the family without an aunt who is not part of the family putting the boot in, she didn't look exactly grieving on camera this morning, pretty composed really, I know that everyone reacts differently, but it seems a ****ty thing to say given there is a sister (and I presume other closer family members) out there

Being very cynical as I am - I said something similar in the office this morning. They were estranged but hearing this made her remember her love for her brother is what I read - which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

[Cherie]

Being very cynical as I am - I said something similar in the office this morning. They were estranged but hearing this made her remember her love for her brother is what I read - which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

oh I didn't even think of the Will but I just thought to myself even if he was terrified you wouldn't put it out there as it makes the Dad look like he pressured him unnecessarily

sistas in cynicism !

[Quantum Boy]

which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

I mean I don't think he'll be changing it now :umm2:. If she's in the will she's in it, if she's not she's a bit late!

[UserSince2005]

I'm sure you believe that.

I’ll literally post pics from each, you so jealous.

[UserSince2005]

My hotel overlooking 9/11

[UserSince2005]

Pinochet museum

[bots]

I mean I don't think he'll be changing it now :umm2:. If she's in the will she's in it, if she's not she's a bit late!

we are talking pakistan here and the serious sums of money involved make it highly likely there will be legal challenges to the will. It could easily be setting the scene for that

[Cherie]

n Loving Memory: Honouring the Legacies of Father and Son, Shahzada and Suleman Dawood... The family's statement in full
With profound sorrow, we mourn the tragic loss of Shahzada and his beloved son, Suleman, who had embarked on a journey to visit the remnants of the legendary Titanic in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. These beloved sons of the Dawood family were aboard the Ocean Gate submersible that has been presumed lost at sea. In this unfathomable tragedy, we try to find solace in the enduring legacy of humility and humanity that they have left behind and find comfort in the belief that they passed on to the next leg of their spiritual journey hand-in-hand, father and son.

'The relationship between Shahzada and Suleman was a joy to behold; they were each other's greatest supporters and cherished a shared passion for adventure and exploration of all the world had to offer them. This unwavering curiosity built the foundation for a close friendship between the two and inspired those around them to develop a similar passion for learning. By being as they were with one another, they embodied valuable lessons on the pursuit of knowledge, exploration of the unknown, and bonds of familial friendship.

'Family values are a guiding beacon for the Dawood family and Shahzada always strived to emulate these, teaching his children to do the same. He was passionate about philanthropy and giving back because above all, he cared deeply about people and human development. He was an avid gardener and photographer, always on the lookout for technology and tools that would help him improve; these hobbies were an extension of his passion to better himself. On this count, Shahzada was consistent – he encouraged everyone around him to elevate their capabilities by learning and trying new things to become better versions of themselves. He was constantly excited to learn more about the world around him and was an ardent animal lover – he had two pets, a dog named Stig and a cat named Proteus, who would sometimes make their presence felt in videoconference meetings that Shahzada was part of. Shahzada was focused on extending the entrepreneurial legacy of the family with the setup of businesses in renewable energy and technology domains, with an ardent belief that these would engender prosperity for thousands of Pakistani families. As the Vice Chairman of the Board of Engro Corporation, and one of its longest standing directors, he was instrumental in directing the organization to solve meaningful problems for Pakistan; his legacy will be felt on by the number of public services Engro will continue to provide in the future.

'Suleman, much like his father, was also deeply committed to serve. His excitement to join Engro after he graduated could not be contained, culminating in an internship in the summer of 2022 to learn more about the organization that his family was such a passionate believer in; Suleman is remembered fondly by Engro colleagues as a tall young man walking around with his beloved Rubik's cube and a smile on his face. He loved science fiction literature and volleyball but his greatest quality was the humility he espoused which was a true reflection of his parents' upbringing. He was keenly aware of the past efforts of his family that enabled him to have the experiences he did, and he never took them for granted; he remained grounded and humble and emotionally wise beyond his years. A sociable companion, Suleman was admired by his friends at university and loved dearly by his sister and young cousins, who often looked up to 'Suleman bhai' for friendship, advice, and laughter.

'Shahzada and Suleman were loved by all members of the wider family but they were especially cherished by Christine (wife and mother) and Alina (daughter and sister). Shahzada and Alina shared a true father-daughter relationship; they were affectionate with each other, would often cook together, and had very philosophical conversations about life. At the center of this family was Christine, who held them all together like glue, having fully devoted herself to these wonderful individuals whom she fiercely loved and protected.

'Shahzada's and Suleman's absence will be felt deeply by all those who had the privilege of knowing this pair. It is difficult to articulate the grief of the immediate Dawood family, including not only Christine and Alina, but also parents, Hussain and Kulsum Dawood, and Shahzada's siblings and their spouses. During this tragic time, we ask everyone to respect the sentiments and privacy of the bereaved family as they come to terms with the loss of two of their dearest members.

[Cherie]

I think auntie is fibbing, and now I read it was a relative who told her he was terrified so not even first hand account :skull:

[UserSince2005]

Don't delete my posts because it ruins the context and doesnt call her out for her jealous bull****.

[Cherie]

The owner and pilot of the Titan submersible that imploded in the Atlantic Ocean this week, sparking a massive search and rescue mission, attempted to sell two tickets to the trip at a significantly-reduced price and dismissed safety concerns raised by the prospective customer, leaked text messages have shown.

Las Vegas financier Jay Bloom, who said he was considering the underwater voyage for him and his son, was offered a "last minute price" of £120,000 per person, a discount on the usual £195,000 fee, by Stockton Rush.

When Mr Bloom hesitated, he was assured by Mr Rush that a mission on the Titan submersible was "safer than crossing the street", reports Daily Mail.

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Suleman, who was just 19, ended up replacing Mr Bloom and his own son, and the financier issued a statement expressing his condolences to their family, as well as Mr Rush's.

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

"He was absolutely convinced that it was safer than crossing the street. I am sure he really believed what he was saying. But he was very wrong."

In February this year Stockton Rush repotedly asked Mr Bloom and his son Sean to go on the dive to Titanic in May. Both May dives were postponed due to weather and the dive got delayed until June 18, the date of the ill-fated trip.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/titan-sub-boss-tried-to-flog-cut-price-tickets-to-tycoon-on-doomed-voyage-to-wreck/ar-AA1cVJbY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=919b44f82f964b7ca4709f293a2c350c&ei=8

another father and son declined to go and the Dawoods took their place

[UserSince2005]

The owner and pilot of the Titan submersible that imploded in the Atlantic Ocean this week, sparking a massive search and rescue mission, attempted to sell two tickets to the trip at a significantly-reduced price and dismissed safety concerns raised by the prospective customer, leaked text messages have shown.

Las Vegas financier Jay Bloom, who said he was considering the underwater voyage for him and his son, was offered a "last minute price" of £120,000 per person, a discount on the usual £195,000 fee, by Stockton Rush.

When Mr Bloom hesitated, he was assured by Mr Rush that a mission on the Titan submersible was "safer than crossing the street", reports Daily Mail.

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Suleman, who was just 19, ended up replacing Mr Bloom and his own son, and the financier issued a statement expressing his condolences to their family, as well as Mr Rush's.

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

"He was absolutely convinced that it was safer than crossing the street. I am sure he really believed what he was saying. But he was very wrong."

In February this year Stockton Rush repotedly asked Mr Bloom and his son Sean to go on the dive to Titanic in May. Both May dives were postponed due to weather and the dive got delayed until June 18, the date of the ill-fated trip.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/titan-sub-boss-tried-to-flog-cut-price-tickets-to-tycoon-on-doomed-voyage-to-wreck/ar-AA1cVJbY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=919b44f82f964b7ca4709f293a2c350c&ei=8

another father and son declined to go and the Dawoods took their place

I bet they got a "deal".

This Stockton Rush is a disgrace, he wasnt fit to be car salesman.

wheeler dealer who sentenced people to death

The fact he found it fun and gloated about how makeshift the sub was makes me sick.

[Quantum Boy]

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

To be fair, although clearly the worst did happen, there's not enough data to know that this isn't true... as people do actually die doing both of those things all the time. Remember The Clutha in Glasgow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Glasgow_helicopter_crash) :umm2:. My dad saw that happen.

Or more recently Kobe Bryant et al.

[bots]

if you have a malfunction in a helicopter, or walking across the street, you still have a reasonable chance of coming out alive. If you have a malfunction in a sub 2 miles down, not so much. It's not just the chance of failure, it's also the chance of survival on a failure. A sub doesn't hold up to that type of scrutiny

[Nicky91]

how small that capsule is, well i think anyone who has ever been in that, can know how tuna must feel like in a can :laugh:


i mean titanic is awesome for historical and educational value, true but leave ''sightseeing'' to the professionals, and all of us tourists more with the film and the documentaries


i feel saddest for the 19 yr old boy :bawling: it seems he was really scared too, but he went along for his dad

[arista]

Yes the 19 year old lad
did not want to go.

[Cherie]

Yes the 19 year old lad
did not want to go.

we only have anecdotal evidence that was the case, someone told the aunt.... not exactly factual...

[arista]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1671965549381689533

[Quantum Boy]

if you have a malfunction in a helicopter, or walking across the street, you still have a reasonable chance of coming out alive. If you have a malfunction in a sub 2 miles down, not so much. It's not just the chance of failure, it's also the chance of survival on a failure. A sub doesn't hold up to that type of scrutiny

Well... a proper sub probably does have redundancies and safety features that go beyond what this one had. A bizarre, cobbled-together hobbyist tub held together with gorilla tape.

[Quantum Boy]

we only have anecdotal evidence that was the case, someone told the aunt.... not exactly factual...

TBF if you want to get really existential... it doesn't actually matter at this point, does it. They're both dead. By the looks of it they died instantly. There's no one left to take any sort of blame.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1672192283645562881

[Cherie]

TBF if you want to get really existential... it doesn't actually matter at this point, does it. They're both dead. By the looks of it they died instantly. There's no one left to take any sort of blame.

Sorry but there is a wife/mother and daughter/sister left behind, its bad enough but some mad cow estranged from the family in Canada claiming he didn't want to go wont exactly help their mental state

[UserSince2005]

Shocking the communications that BBC has obtained.

I believe Stockton was on the crew because he knew if the sub ever failed he’d spend the rest of his life in prison, so might as well go out with it.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1672248940853440514

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess i could look at that now but i will wait to read it in my paper in the morning with a cuppa

[UserSince2005]

I’ll be getting the paper tomorrow 😍

[Beso]

I might wipe my arse with it.

[Cherie]

Shocking the communications that BBC has obtained.

I believe Stockton was on the crew because he knew if the sub ever failed he’d spend the rest of his life in prison, so might as well go out with it.

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws :shrug:

[UserSince2005]

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws :shrug:

Criminal negligence, easy

[Beso]

Are jokes acceptable now on this ridiculous time wasting story that bares absolutely no significance to anyone you or I know?

[Quantum Boy]

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws :shrug:

Death disclaimers are VERY flimsy, it's built into most legal systems that you can't sign away your life, it would be subject to reasonable limits (i.e. that death was unlikely and would occur because of unforeseen factors). If it's found that death was likely (or inevitable) based on negligence or poor safety standards, any signed disclaimer would fall apart.

Good example of that would be the disclaimer you sign when you go for surgery - which does state that you understand the surgery might not be successful and that there can be side effects up to and including death. Doctors and hospitals are still regularly (successfully) sued for medical negligence if something goes wrong that isn't just "unfortunate", but is clearly the avoidable fault of the individual or the hospital.

The international waters part is interesting though :think:. It's a bit of a myth that the open sea is "lawless", international waters are covered by international law governed by the UN, but something as specific and complex as contract law would probably be very murky (and realistically no one would ever fully investigate it, the UN have bigger fish to fry than the misadventures of thrillseekers).

[Beso]

Might not go to prison but the lawyers would have a field day with the left tover money on both sides.

[UserSince2005]

I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.

[Quantum Boy]

I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.

Rich folk are more litigious than anyone else, they do it on principle, not for the money.

[Kazanne]

Sorry but there is a wife/mother and daughter/sister left behind, its bad enough but some mad cow estranged from the family in Canada claiming he didn't want to go wont exactly help their mental state

I agree Cherie, she didnt even speak to her brother ,sounds like she wants 15 mins of fame ,its to be taken with a pinch of salt ,I am sure he was old enough to say if he didnt really want to go.

[Vanessa]

There's definitely a case for criminal negligence. They would be in serious trouble if sued.

[AnnieK]

There will surely be a corporate manslaughter case against the company and its board of directors

[bots]

who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts

[MTVN]

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

:nono:

are you trying to say this was a foolish money-making exercise based on rich people's vanity and desire to bore people rigid with stories of how they went and looked at a shipwreck?

[Zizu]

who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts


Agreed


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[bots]

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

[Zizu]

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy


That was how Sky News and a few experts described the victims last night.

They referred them to brave explorers or intrepid explorers..

Very odd


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[MTVN]

It's a well written piece mind you:

The reason so few people have done it is because it takes such nerve; and it is precisely because the market is so small, and *undeveloped, and populated only by risk-hungry billionaires, that the machines are still a bit *experimental. Unless and until we master this form of navigation, humanity will continue to live in ignorance.

Look at our globe, this beautiful ball criss-crossed every day by the contrails of planes, where virtually every inch of land has been explored from pole to pole. It is 70 per cent blue, covered by seas and oceans sometimes more than twice as deep as the resting-place of the Titanic.

It is a staggering fact that of the world beneath the oceans, only around a fifth has been mapped. We are more ignorant of the subaquatic landscape of the Earth than we are of the surface of Mars.

Some say that this undersea world is full of riches; like those rare metals we so urgently need for electric vehicle batteries, *abundant nodules that could be harvested without damaging the marine environment. Others are not so sure. But how can we know if we don’t look? And why should the chance to look at this world be reserved to an infinitesimal few?

That is why this mission was so important, and should be valued by Left-wingers as well as *everyone else. Yes, there were risks, and warnings. But every great advance must inevitably involve *experiment, and equipment that can seem, in retrospect, *dangerously inadequate.

Look at the slide rules and graph paper with which the first *astronauts calculated their *position in space. Look at those first flying machines — weird *contraptions of leather and canvas and wood. They were lethal — and yet no one tried to regulate them. The whole idea was new.

Hamish Harding and his fellows were trying to take a new step for humanity, to popularise undersea travel, to democratise the ocean floor. They knew the dangers. In the immortal words of Captain Scott, just before he died from the Antarctic cold: ‘We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint...’

Harding and his friends died in a cause — pushing out the frontiers of human knowledge and experience — that is typically British, and that fills me with pride.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227209/BORIS-JOHNSON-brave-souls-Titan-sub-died-cause-fills-pride.html#article-12227209

[bots]

that is totally ignoring the fact we can use robot technology without any risk to human life

[Zizu]

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element


What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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[bots]

there is lots to be learned from wrecks, just like there is now lots to learn from the titan wreck

[UserSince2005]

Bizarre take on the situation

[MTVN]

that is totally ignoring the fact we can use robot technology without any risk to human life

Should that apply to space exploration too

[bots]

Should that apply to space exploration too

yes

[rusticgal]

Imo…we have seen fascinating footage of what remains of the Titanic…much was retrieved from the ship that was exhibited at The Natural History museum. Let the ship and all those who went down with it rest in peace…there is nothing more to be learnt or salvaged…just a morbid fascination..

That’s my opinion anyway.

[rusticgal]

What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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Nothing more Zizu…nothing.

[Beso]

Anything for a photo opportunity.

[Zizu]

Also if there’s only a handful of craft that can go that far down how have they managed to salvage 6,500 artefacts from the wreck


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[Zizu]

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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[Vanessa]

It seems to me that the vessel was not safe. It was done by cutting corners about safety.
I'm surprised those rich people didn't run checks on them to make sure things were done people?
Heartbreaking anyway, those poor people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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Im not listening to a Phil Oakey wannabe who says dude and paints his nails like a big jessy

[Zizu]

Im not listening to a Phil Oakey wannabe who says dude and paints his nails like a big jessy


He’s a media sensation apparently ..


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[UserSince2005]

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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Fed up of people making comparisons to the Pakistan migrants that drown.
1. The sub had 3 brits on board, the boat had 0 brits on board
2. Since when was Pakistan a country that you needed to flee from. They were all just greedy economic migrants.
3. How many on that boat hated western culture and wanted to kill us?

The only comparison is that both the boat and the sub had Pakistanis on who were willing to risk their children’s life for what? Let’s talk about that fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fed up of people making comparisons to the Pakistan migrants that drown.
1. The sub had 3 brits on board, the boat had 0 brits on board
2. Since when was Pakistan a country that you needed to flee from. They were all just greedy economic migrants.
3. How many on that boat hated western culture and wanted to kill us?

The only comparison is that both the boat and the sub had Pakistanis on who were willing to risk their children’s life for what? Let’s talk about that fact.

SPOT ON

to be fair the american boy was virtue signalling for clout

like he even knows where Pakistan is, lol

[Zizu]

Soooo the media are now reporting that the mini sub wasn’t even registered as a boat / submarine/ marine craft at all so they didn’t have to abide by all the stringent rules and regulations in place !!!


Also … why on Earth where they allowed to go down so close to the wreck of the Titanic … most historical sites are heavily regulated and protected.


I’m thinking some greasy palms may have had cash placed in them …


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[arista]

Yes, Handy the CEO died with it.

He failed
sad ending.

[Cherie]

The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


Asked how she felt about the decision, she simply said: “Let’s just skip that.”

She said “both of them were so excited” and her son had taken a Rubik’s Cube with him because he wanted to break a world record.

Mrs Dawood said her son loved the famous square puzzle so much that he carried it with him everywhere and dazzled onlookers by solving it in 12 seconds.

She told the broadcaster: “He said, ‘I’m going to solve the Rubik’s Cube 3,700 metres below sea at the Titanic’.”

The family boarded the Polar Prince, the sub’s support vessel, on Father’s Day hoping for the trip of a lifetime.

Mrs Dawood and her 17-year-old daughter Alina were still on board when word came through that communications with Titan had been lost.

She and her daughter held out hope to begin with after they did not initially return.

She said: “We all thought they are just going to come up so that shock was delayed by about 10 hours or so.

“By the time they were supposed to be up again, there was a time…. when they were supposed to be up on the surface again and when that time passed, the real shock, not shock but the worry and the not so good feelings, started.

“We had loads of hope, I think that was the only thing that got us through it because we were hoping and… we talked about things that pilots can do like dropping weights, there were so many actions people on the sub can do in order to surface.

We were constantly looking at the surface. There was so many things we would go through where we would think ‘it’s just slow right now, it’s slow right now’. But there was a lot of hope.”


She said she “lost hope” when 96 hours had passed since her husband and son boarded the submersible, which indicated they had run out of oxygen.

She revealed that is when she sent a message to her family saying she was “preparing for the worst”.

Her daughter held out a bit longer, she said, until the call with the US Coast Guard when they were informed debris had been found.

The family returned to St John’s in Newfoundland, Canada, on Saturday, and on Sunday held a funeral prayer for Shahzada and Suleman.

Mrs Dawood said she and her daughter have vowed to try to learn to finish the Rubik’s Cube in Suleman’s honour, and she intends to continue her husband’s work.

She said: “He was involved in so many things, he helped so many people and I think Alina and I really want to continue that legacy and give him that platform when his work has continued and it’s quite important for my daughter as well.

“Alina and I said we are going learn how to solve the Rubik’s Cube. That’s going to be a challenge for us because we are really bad at it but we are going to learn it.”


Shame on the lying Aunt wanting her 15 minutes of fame

[Nicky91]

this submersible was only qualified for ''only'' 1/3 of the depth required to reach titanic apparently, so i read


they shouldn't have ever left? this was so preventable, and i'm more surprised it happened only now, and not in the many trips before this fatal one

[Quantum Boy]

this submersible was only qualified for ''only'' 1/3 of the depth required to reach titanic apparently, so i read


they shouldn't have ever left? this was so preventable, and i'm more surprised it happened only now, and not in the many trips before this fatal one

I read that the viewing port at the front was only rated up to 1/3 the depth. The doesn't mean it can't go deeper but it does mean that the manufacturer is saying they will only guarantee it to that depth and using it beyond that would be "at your own risk".

The whole thing is mad really, the safety standards were pretty much non-existent. This will lead to regulation of the industry I imagine, and rightly so (i.e. these sorts of subs will have to be assessed and signed off by a regulatory group before companies are allowed to sell tickets to the public).

[Niamh.]

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

Yeah exactly, it seems like a really pointless risk when you're still only watching on a screen

[Quantum Boy]

Yeah exactly, it seems like a really pointless risk when you're still only watching on a screen

Not only is there no need for human pilots because the drone tech is so good, but for one it works better (because they can be solid with no air pockets and so not as at risk from pressure) and for two with automation and AI going the way it is, it won't be long before they won't even need a drone controller... they'll be able to send down automated subs to map out the ocean floor and identify resource deposits etc. piloted by entirely by AI.

There's definitely a deep sea exploration boom coming but I don't think it'll involve people actually getting their toes wet, all of the human beings will be bunkered down in control rooms on surface ships. In fact probably not that long until they can be sat in an office 100 miles from the nearest coast, making discoveries at the bottom of the pacific ocean.

[Quantum Boy]

Heck... with rapidly advancing VR tech as well, you could probably feel like you're at the bottom of the ocean on a live stream from a drone, without leaving your bedroom :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

Heck... with rapidly advancing VR tech as well, you could probably feel like you're at the bottom of the ocean on a live stream from a drone, without leaving your bedroom :shrug:.

Yeah true

[Zizu]

The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


Asked how she felt about the decision, she simply said: “Let’s just skip that.”

She said “both of them were so excited” and her son had taken a Rubik’s Cube with him because he wanted to break a world record.

Mrs Dawood said her son loved the famous square puzzle so much that he carried it with him everywhere and dazzled onlookers by solving it in 12 seconds.

She told the broadcaster: “He said, ‘I’m going to solve the Rubik’s Cube 3,700 metres below sea at the Titanic’.”

The family boarded the Polar Prince, the sub’s support vessel, on Father’s Day hoping for the trip of a lifetime.

Mrs Dawood and her 17-year-old daughter Alina were still on board when word came through that communications with Titan had been lost.

She and her daughter held out hope to begin with after they did not initially return.

She said: “We all thought they are just going to come up so that shock was delayed by about 10 hours or so.

“By the time they were supposed to be up again, there was a time…. when they were supposed to be up on the surface again and when that time passed, the real shock, not shock but the worry and the not so good feelings, started.

“We had loads of hope, I think that was the only thing that got us through it because we were hoping and… we talked about things that pilots can do like dropping weights, there were so many actions people on the sub can do in order to surface.

We were constantly looking at the surface. There was so many things we would go through where we would think ‘it’s just slow right now, it’s slow right now’. But there was a lot of hope.”


She said she “lost hope” when 96 hours had passed since her husband and son boarded the submersible, which indicated they had run out of oxygen.

She revealed that is when she sent a message to her family saying she was “preparing for the worst”.

Her daughter held out a bit longer, she said, until the call with the US Coast Guard when they were informed debris had been found.

The family returned to St John’s in Newfoundland, Canada, on Saturday, and on Sunday held a funeral prayer for Shahzada and Suleman.

Mrs Dawood said she and her daughter have vowed to try to learn to finish the Rubik’s Cube in Suleman’s honour, and she intends to continue her husband’s work.

She said: “He was involved in so many things, he helped so many people and I think Alina and I really want to continue that legacy and give him that platform when his work has continued and it’s quite important for my daughter as well.

“Alina and I said we are going learn how to solve the Rubik’s Cube. That’s going to be a challenge for us because we are really bad at it but we are going to learn it.”


Shame on the lying Aunt wanting her 15 minutes of fame


Yeah … so much for all the hate directed at the dad for supposedly forcing his reluctant son to go down with him


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[Cherie]

Yeah … so much for all the hate directed at the dad for supposedly forcing his reluctant son to go down with him


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Disgraceful really, she obviously really had issues with her brother and his wife to put the boot in like that, there was something really off about her interview I felt

[Nicky91]

I read that the viewing port at the front was only rated up to 1/3 the depth. The doesn't mean it can't go deeper but it does mean that the manufacturer is saying they will only guarantee it to that depth and using it beyond that would be "at your own risk".

The whole thing is mad really, the safety standards were pretty much non-existent. This will lead to regulation of the industry I imagine, and rightly so (i.e. these sorts of subs will have to be assessed and signed off by a regulatory group before companies are allowed to sell tickets to the public).

the whole at your own risk makes me want to double check it then before going off and selling it to the public


but we know now too that the late CEO Mr Rush liked to bend some of the rules, i think he wouldn't have minded cutting some corners in terms of lesser inspection work, saves up money :facepalm:


similar happened at Alaska Airlines, back when that one crashed near the coast of california, when its tail rudder simply broke off, when that could've been an easy fix by maintenance crew, but the alaska airlines bosses told them not to as that was gonna take more time, also similar, there was also a whistleblower who tried to expose them but got sacked few days before the accident


i very much agree, always agree anyway with NTSB team, that you should never save up money on inspections or maintenance, something what might just save lives

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1031D/production/_130233366_ffe5f64c67e1eccf02a8e64c02c65659700affb d0_0_3291_21942000x1333-1.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/127CB/production/_130232757_titan-sub-wreckage-porthole-pictures-photos.jpg.webp

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8B8B/production/_130232753_a211a076-affb-4a2f-8fb8-ccd25d595208.jpg.webp

[UserSince2005]

Human remains have been recovered. Ew. Do you think they are all squashed into one?

[Zizu]

Human remains have been recovered. Ew. Do you think they are all squashed into one?


After all this time .. can’t be any if the sub survivors surely ..


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[hijaxers]

After all this time .. can’t be any if the sub survivors surely ..


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Of course not , it could be bits of clothes with dna , suvivors :laugh: no way. Instant death.

[bots]

... and a Rubiks cube

[Crimson Dynamo]

PlvyZ1r1DCM

[Quantum Boy]

So you're saying we should build subs out of whatever that hydraulic press is made out of. Vibranium or summat.

[bots]

Carbon fibre is fine for the job provided it is designed and manufactured to the correct standards

[Nicky91]

Carbon Fibre is also used for Planes

as long as you give it proper maintenance what it requires every once in a while, to prevent too much metal fatigue from building up, it does its job perfectly fine


i blame Oceangate for this disaster, its CEO Mr Rush whom was basically cutting corners on such important things like maintenance, breaking several rules too



also controlling this submersible with a Playstation controller is also ridiculous, okay its cheap but a multi million dollar sub needs proper controls, not just a PS controller worth like 40 or 60 euros

[bots]

The last words heard from the five-person crew of the Titan submersible were "all good here" before the craft imploded deep in the ocean and killed them, a hearing has revealed.

Investigators with the US Coast Guard said it was among the final communications between the Titan and its mother ship before they lost contact for good.

The deep-sea vessel was less than two hours into its descent to the wreck of the Titanic when it imploded in June 2023.

Coast Guard officials began a two-week inquiry on Monday that "aims to uncover the facts surrounding the incident and develop recommendations to prevent similar tragedies in the future".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kk1g66n7o

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[Maru]

Hearings on Oceangate Titan with the US Coast Guard have begun... (I didn't see bots had updated above, but there's new information today...)

New photos:
https://i.postimg.cc/gJ1Y8Z5d/AA1qFOBr.jpg

OceanGate Founder Crashed a Submersible Years Before Titan Disaster
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/us/titan-submersible-coast-guard-hearing.html

OceanGate whistleblower says he had 'no confidence' in development of Titan sub
https://abcnews.go.com/US/oceangate-coast-guard-titan-implosion-hearing-david-lochridge/story?id=113758221

The Titan’s former lead engineer says he felt pressured to get the submersible ready
https://apnews.com/article/titan-submersible-implosion-hearing-2ae3c044e50a69647bd42cffe96c7f98

[bots]

yeah i think it was an amateurish company that took all sorts of shortcuts when they were charging a fortune in the first place. If safety standards aren't improved after this, there is no hope

[Maru]

Video released..

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[Maru]

Most interesting is the "original" transcript that had "leaked" was clearly faked. The actual one is much more abbreviated, very innocuous and there's not really any indicator anything was wrong... it's entirely possible they got close enough to the Titanic that the excitement was building and then they were just gone.