Gay man couple kicking up stink as Christian painter says NO

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gay couple reveal they've made a complaint against Christian painter who
'refused to decorate their home because of their sexuality'

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2 of them in the house and they cant even paint one room?

Joshua and George, who declined to give their surnames, explained how the
tradeswoman sent them a text saying she couldn't carry out the job due to
'recommended guidelines' at her church.

Joshua, 23, said he was 'gobsmacked' and 'seething' so took to Twitter to tell
of his experience (as you do), in messages that have been viewed and
shared thousands of times.

The couple say they have since made a complaint to the trading website
where they found her services, which they hope will raise awareness about
religion.

But while many urged them to publicly reveal the identity of the decorator in
question, they admitted concerns over 'naming and shaming' on social
media.

Joshua told LGBTQ magazine Attitude (again, as you do): 'I don't necessarily
feel comfortable holding the doors, and opening the floodgates. I have this
person's details. If I wanted to, yes, I could release them.

Joshua and his 26-year-old partner wanted their bedroom painted at the two-
bed terrace home in Bristol which they bought in June last year.

After finding the decorator online, Joshua asked her round for a quote but
claims to have noticed her attitude change when he mentioned George.

'We were in the master bedroom when she asked if my partner was in and I
replied 'no he's not' that I first thought something was wrong,' he told ITV News. (once again as you do)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12356285/Gay-couple-claim-Christian-painter-refused-decorate-home-sexuality-reveal-reason-wont-shame-her.html

[bots]

Someone wants there 10 mins of fame

[user104658]

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

[arista]

It's her Church
that sets her Rules.


Pointless of them fellas
to take it to the press.

[bots]

the thing is that the person who refused wanted to make a point. There are 100 different reasons for refusing work that don't imply any principle at all.

[Liam-]

Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different

[Crimson Dynamo]

why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

[Swan]

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

:rolleyes:

[Swan]

why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

Yeah it's stupid, just say you have too much on and offer the job to a mate. Quite straight forward.

If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

:rolleyes:

Probably not.

[Glenn.]

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

[arista]

Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different


Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

[arista]

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.



Yes Glenn
never mix with a Strict Church Lady

[user104658]

It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

I actually considered that in my thinking ... and no I don't think a builder should be able to refuse a job purely because of a moral or personal issue with the client. There is some wiggle room in what I said about feeling safe - if someone is a convicted criminal or someone who is known to be a risk to others/violent then that's another thing entirely and I think it would be legitimate to say you don't feel safe working in a convicted sex offender's home and so won't be accepting the job.

That said ... I don't think shops, cafes, bars etc. should be able to refuse service to people with criminal records unless there's a very specific reason.

Again my thinking doesn't come down to sympathy, more that I don't think the world will continue to work for very long if everyone just starts leaning into their tribe.

To use an allegory - if you're in a small village and there's a "christian" café that "wont serve gay people", and so a gay couple open a rival café that "refuses to serve TERFs" ... you don't end up with two competing cafes in that village... you end up with zero cafes.

[Liam-]

Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination

[bots]

it's pretty much exactly the same as the bakery case

[Liam-]

It’s nothing like the bakery case

[Crimson Dynamo]

The biggest shock for me was finding out that Cherie had picked up the brushes again

Her and that paint-spattered Hitachi FM/AM radio are inseparable

[bots]

It’s nothing like the bakery case

of course it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

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[user104658]

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

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You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.

[Liam-]

of course it is

It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

[bots]

It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

[arista]

You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination


No
her Strict Church does not agree with Gays


Get it in Court
Slick Liam, she can Win

[Liam-]

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

Refusing service based purely on someone’s sexuality or race, is not covered by law

[Crimson Dynamo]

You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.

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[MTVN]

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/31/11/73795057-12354393-image-a-5_1690797665145.jpg

:joker:

[user104658]

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

IIRC this is actually not the case - the wedding cake precedent is a tricky one. They're legally allowed to refuse because of their religious beliefs about marriage, not because of their religious beliefs about people being gay.

It might seem to be a small distinction but it's really not.

That said, I still stand by what I said before - if you can't put personal beliefs aside in order to bake a cake for whoever orders a cake, then step out of the game and make space in the market for a baker who will cater to everyone.

Like I can understand refusing to put a groom & groom topper on it - just say, we don't and have no plans to stock those - but they should still make the cake and give it to them to decorate as they please.

I know that's not how it went legally. But again - that was very specifically related to the marriage aspect, not just the personal lives of the customers.

[MTVN]

In a job like this you can pick and choose who you work for tbh, it's not an essential service

I'm sure loads of tradespeople refuse to work for people they don't like, they just tell them they're too busy for the job or don't have the resources blah blah blah. That's what she should have said really rather than make it a bigotry issue

[arista]

You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.


Some Gays act a certain way
it must have alerted her Strict Religious Values



Please Note: Being Gay is Fine

[Liam-]

I personally agree with Glenn, I’d have just moved on and went to someone else as I really don’t have the patience or energy to deal with people like that, but I do enjoy seeing people who do have the energy

[arista]

I personally agree with Glenn, I’d have just moved on and went to someone else as I really don’t have the patience or energy to deal with people like that, but I do enjoy seeing people who do have the energy


Thats the spirit
Slick Liam.

[user104658]

Some Gays act a certain way
it must have alerted her Strict Religious Values


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It's still daft. It's not like they were asking her to paint a giant mural of Jesus with his cock out.

[Liam-]

But I can just see the faux outrage if a gay person refused to do work for a religious person or organisation, there would endless daily mail front pages and seething, dribbling videos from the likes of Farage, Hopkins and Shapiro

[user104658]

But I can just see the faux outrage if a gay person refused to do work for a religious person or organisation, there would endless daily mail front pages and seething, dribbling videos from the likes of Farage, Hopkins and Shapiro

Depends on the religion. :whistle: .... ... ... ... I mean I'm not going to say it but ... ... ... we know it would go worse if it was ... one of them.

[Swan]

The painter wanted to make a stand for sure, which i don't agree with. There was really no need to give the guys a reason based on his religious beliefs.

Wait, is Farage homophobic? I've never seen anything like that coming from him. Hopkins yes, not too sure about Shaprio as i can't listen to him for more than a minute or two as his fast speech grinds me.

[arista]

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It's still daft. It's not like they were asking her to paint a giant mural of Jesus with his cock out.



Of Course
Professor SB
but the Strict Church Lady Worker
picked up the Vibe from them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of Course
Professor SB
but the Strict Church Lady Worker
picked up the Vibe from them.

Id imagine it was the Holy Ghost that dwelt within her?

[bots]

i know LT doesn't sell to celtic supporters on ebay

[Oliver_W]

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

Agreed.

It wouldn't even occur to me to go crying to news outlets about it. Just take the rejection and go to someone less stupid.

[Swan]

i know LT doesn't sell to celtic supporters on ebay

I always feel a bit peculiar playing GTAO with rando Liverpool fans :smug:

If i find out they're Spurs fans i just outright refuse.. :hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i know LT doesn't sell to celtic supporters on ebay

My Dad was a Ref in Scottish Junior football and would often boost a yellow to a red depending on what surname came back to him :joker:

SMith -yellow

Maguire - RED

[user104658]

My Dad was a Ref in Scottish Junior football

The more I learn about you, the more it all makes sense LT.

[Glenn.]

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/31/11/73795057-12354393-image-a-5_1690797665145.jpg

:joker:

What is it that’s so funny?

[Glenn.]

When the punchline of the joke is two gay men then it’s homophobia. Not at all surprising with this cesspit

[Swan]

When the punchline of the joke is two gay men then it’s homophobia. Not at all surprising with this cesspit

Most people are siding with the gay guys. Like i said, the painter was stupid to refuse the work, and even more stupid with the reason he gave.

[UserSince2005]

When the punchline of the joke is two gay men then it’s homophobia. Not at all surprising with this cesspit

They do look ridiculous though.

Also reinforcing the gay stereotypes.

Why do Masc gays like me never get in the headlines?

[Glenn.]

Most people are siding with the gay guys. Like i said, the painter was stupid to refuse the work, and even more stupid with the reason he gave.

Doesn’t excuse the ‘look how gay they are’ “jokes”

[Swan]

Doesn’t excuse the ‘look how gay they are’ “jokes”

Well i imagine they've just moved in to the house and the other guy is carrying his partner over the threshold as it were. They're obviously a gay couple in that picture.

Correct me if im wrong, but by looking at that pic i assume they're gay, is that somehow homophobic?

[Glenn.]

Well i imagine they've just moved in to the house and the other guy is carrying his partner over the threshold as it were. They're obviously a gay couple in that picture.

Correct me if im wrong, but by looking at that pic i assume they're gay, is that somehow homophobic?

Not all all. Laughing about it is which LT and MTVN did, or are you just being deliberately stupid?

[MTVN]

It's just a humorous picture which makes it very clear they're a gay couple (hence the joke that you couldn't miss it), no offence intended!

[arista]

https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1685954009654538241

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1685954009654538241

Good to see Christo on there from Talk TV - nice guy

[UserSince2005]

Maybe he was just worried he’d give into temptation whilst completing the job

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe he was just worried he’d give into temptation whilst completing the job

it was a bird painter

[Cherie]

The sense of humour failure is real …you don’t see me crying in the Gaelic football thread smh

[Cherie]

A Indian character on Corrie attempted an Irish accent last week zero meltdowns

[UserSince2005]

it was a bird painter

What kind of weirdo gays hire women tradies when there so many fit tradesmen out there?

[Beso]

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.



Or dont buy in that shop to respect the shop owners beliefs

[Beso]

You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.

Rubbish.

The painter wouldn't even have been involved if they were.

[Cherie]

What kind of weirdo gays hire women tradies when there so many fit tradesmen out there?

Are they pretending to be gay :think:

[arista]

Good to see Christo on there from Talk TV - nice guy


Christo is Gay

[Swan]

Not all all. Laughing about it is which LT and MTVN did, or are you just being deliberately stupid?

Im not being deliberately stupid (though stupidity does come naturally to me), i think in that picture it's hard to see they're not gay. You'd naturally assume the guys are a gay couple. It's the same when you see a bunch of lads in the pub watching football, drinking pints. If you were to say (when looking at a pic of them) "how did you know they were straight" in a different scenario, no one would care. It's just light hearted humour.

I don't know why it would offend you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Christo is Gay

:oh: