"So yeah, I just came out of Planet Fitness..." (USA)

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Video in question is at 1.08

[user104658]

Ben Shapiro goes deep under cover to find out.

[arista]

Yes it is Tough,
for a lady

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully their shares have tanked badly

[Cherie]

Women and girls are collateral damage, nothing to see here at all

[Oliver_W]

Sorry to leave the reservation but when it comes to individuals, I'm on the side of the one being photographed or filmed without their consent to make a political point. Sorry.

That individual still shouldn't have been in the women's washroom, and their presence is part of a wider problem, but two wrongs...

[Cherie]

Sorry to leave the reservation but when it comes to individuals, I'm on the side of the one being photographed or filmed to make a political point. Sorry.

That individual still shouldn't have been in the women's washroom, and their presence is part of a wider problem, but two wrongs...

is the woman political? did she not just take the photo as evidence? people video without consent all the time in a public space, I guess this is a public space for women?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A political point?

FFS what on earth?

[Swan]

If that person in the video is a woman what is she doing out of the kitchen anyway?

[Cherie]

Lathering up and have a shave as well, like I have never seen a woman shave her legs in a gym changing room, this person was there to intimidate, if you really consider yourself a woman, shaving in full view is not conducive to being viewed as one, it is an odd thing to do...

[user104658]

Lathering up and have a shave as well, like I have never seen a woman shave her legs in a gym changing room, this person was there to intimidate, if you really consider yourself a woman, shaving in full view is not conducive to being viewed as one, it is an odd thing to do...

It's just needless and I don't really buy that anyone wouldn't know it was needless... so the only realistic conclusion is that they were doing it pointedly/performatively. There's no real reason for anyone to be shaving any part of themselves in a public area... kind of gross actually... if you get a li'l cut in a public changing room it's probably going to immediately become infected.

[Cherie]

It's just needless and I don't really buy that anyone wouldn't know it was needless... so the only realistic conclusion is that they were doing it pointedly/performatively. There's no real reason for anyone to be shaving any part of themselves in a public area... kind of gross actually... if you get a li'l cut in a public changing room it's probably going to immediately become infected.

I think so

[Mystic Mock]

Ben Shapiro goes deep under cover to find out.

Is the woman in the video LT's linked in the OP, Ben Shapiro's Sister? Either way she seems more sane than him (at least she's not ranting about Barbie for 40 minutes lol.)

I can even understand where she's coming from on some of her points, however I hate the Right's thing of labeling or insinuating that LGBT people are Paedophiles, with no real hard evidence to suggest it to be the case.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's just needless and I don't really buy that anyone wouldn't know it was needless... so the only realistic conclusion is that they were doing it pointedly/performatively. There's no real reason for anyone to be shaving any part of themselves in a public area... kind of gross actually... if you get a li'l cut in a public changing room it's probably going to immediately become infected.

not to mention putting your blood on surfaces, surely gyms have a policy to stop idiots shaving?

[Niamh.]

Is the woman in the video LT's linked in the OP, Ben Shapiro's Sister? Either way she seems more sane than him (at least she's not ranting about Barbie for 40 minutes lol.)

I can even understand where she's coming from on some of her points, however I hate the Right's thing of labeling or insinuating that LGBT people are Paedophiles, with no real hard evidence to suggest it to be the case.

She's not related to him but lots of people joke that they could be father and daughter, her name is Brett Cooper

[Mystic Mock]

She's not related to him but lots of people joke that they could be father and daughter, her name is Brett Cooper

Thanks for the answer Niamh.:)

and tbf, they do look alike.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Ideal news for predators

:skull:

[Niamh.]

They say "separated by sex" in the first paragraph highlighted but then say a self reported "gender Identity" can over ride that so what's even the point in separating the Locker rooms by sex at all in that case? It's so wildly inappropriate and dangerous.

[Mystic Mock]

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Ideal news for predators

:skull:

Danielle Alves?:worry:

But being serious, I honestly believe that women should be being asked by the Government how they personally feel about Transwomen using their facilities, and whatever the result, that's the course of action to take going forward.

Because after all when it's coming to this topic, I have no personal stake in the issue, and tbh no guy has a stake in this particular topic, because we're not going through it, and obviously the Transwomen will be biased to their own cause, so they're not going to be impartial. And the Government shouldn't force policies onto it's citizens (in this case women) if potentially the majority of women may not want to be apart of said policy.

Ironically the one issue that should be approached with a feminist mindset, isn't being approached that way, it's typical of Humanity to be so ****ed up like that.:joker:

[Niamh.]

Danielle Alves?:worry:

But being serious, I honestly believe that women should be being asked by the Government how they personally feel about Transwomen using their facilities, and whatever the result, that's the course of action to take going forward.

Because after all when it's coming to this topic, I have no personal stake in the issue, and tbh no guy has a stake in this particular topic, because we're not going through it, and obviously the Transwomen will be biased to their own cause, so they're not going to be impartial. And the Government shouldn't force policies onto it's citizens (in this case women) if potentially the majority of women may not want to be apart of said policy.

Ironically the one issue that should be approached with a feminist mindset, isn't being approached that way, it's typical of Humanity to be so ****ed up like that.:joker:

The problem is that absolutely anyone who simply says "I identify as a woman" can enter female spaces where girls and women are in vulnerable positions/a state of undress. It is mind blowing to me that people are pretending like this loophole isn't going to be taken advantage of by predatory men. The whole reason to stop all men from entering is to protect all women from the bad ones. This is what safe guarding is and why sex segregated spaces exist in the first place in these types of places where women are particularly vulnerable and at risk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They say "separated by sex" in the first paragraph highlighted but then say a self reported "gender Identity" can over ride that so what's even the point in separating the Locker rooms by sex at all in that case? It's so wildly inappropriate and dangerous.

Sadly its all based on fear of who will sue/shout the loudest and damage their ability to make money

not obviously about body dysmorphia or protecting people

[user104658]

Is the woman in the video LT's linked in the OP, Ben Shapiro's Sister? Either way she seems more sane than him (at least she's not ranting about Barbie for 40 minutes lol.)

I can even understand where she's coming from on some of her points, however I hate the Right's thing of labeling or insinuating that LGBT people are Paedophiles, with no real hard evidence to suggest it to be the case.

No she just both looks and sounds a bit like him (and is right-leaning, though not as much as Shapiro) so it's a commonly made joke that she's Shapiro's drag alter-ego.

I agree that less savoury characters on the right have a tendency to imply that LGBT people are more likely to be paedophiles which is (obviously) nonsense. It bears acknowledging that the simple fact is, most paedophiles by number are straight men. That's just the facts.

The major issue though is that - at this point unquestionably - there are attempts made BY paedophiles to abuse/twist laws and rights designed to protect LGBT people to use as a shield for their own actions. THere are multiple examples at this point and really - just using common sense - of course people with ill intent will try to find ways to use any new rule or law to their advantage.

Taking a deeper dive there are also some issues with certain sections of the trans community and autogynephilia/fetishisation of children or child-like qualities. There just... are. The LGBT community itself knows this fine well but (for I suppose obvious reasons) are hesitant to admit it.

[Ninastar]

So this is a really complicated thing and I can understand all views.

I think planet fitness is wrong for firing the woman who reported the ‘trans woman’ in the bathroom.

We need sex based changing rooms for a reason. I remember saying this on here years ago and I was told how awful I was etc etc. but I don’t care lol

As someone if the lgbt community, I believe that everyone should feel safe enough to go to the bathroom and not be harassed

Of course this includes (actual) trans women. I think there should be a ‘family/gender friendly’ bathroom which is private and anyone can change there if needs be.

However!!

Do I think it’s actual trans women who are trying to use women’s bathrooms and expose themselves?

No, I actually think that most of the time it’s just a creepy cis man trying to get a look at naked women.

I think that they (cis men) who are doing this know they can take advantage of the system and they are ruining it for genuine trans women.

I don’t know a single woman (cis or trans) that would just start shaving in public. It’s just not something you do. I also don’t know any trans women that would go out and purposefully ‘expose’ themselves in a women’s restroom. Most would go and change in a bathroom stall and then just leave…

So now the issue is that there are without a doubt a number of men who are using ‘trans woman!!’ as an excuse to be perverts.

And the only people who really suffer from all of this are cis/genuine trans women.

It’s just crazy that something as simple as getting changed or going to the bathroom has become such a politics point that people are losing friendships/jobs etc just because of a damn opinion

[user104658]

Do I think it’s actual trans women who are trying to use women’s bathrooms and expose themselves?

No, I actually think that most of the time it’s just a creepy cis man trying to get a look at naked women.

I think that they (cis men) who are doing this know they can take advantage of the system and they are ruining it for genuine trans women.


I think this is accurate but also, unfortunately, without sensible safeguarding and controls it just doesn't matter. In a world where one is not able to call out the difference between genuine and not and it's seen as a terrible judgement to do so... it doesn't functionally matter if they're genuine or not. They're allowed to be there because self-ID is a thing so there's no way to immediately differentiate.

[Niamh.]

I think this is accurate but also, unfortunately, without sensible safeguarding and controls it just doesn't matter. In a world where one is not able to call out the difference between genuine and not and it's seen as a terrible judgement to do so... it doesn't functionally matter if they're genuine or not. They're allowed to be there because self-ID is a thing so there's no way to immediately differentiate.

Exactly. The only way to keep the bad men out is to ban all men otherwise (as is the case now) women don't even have the ability to raise concerns or objections, a guy can go in there as we see here literally shaving his beard in the sink and a woman gets banned for pointing out he shouldn't be in there. It's crazy.

[Ninastar]

Yep I agree with that

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just dont get why any self-respecting adult would think "I don't care if women and children feel scared all that matters is my feelings and my wants"

who are these people?

:umm2:

[Niamh.]

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[Swan]

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It's mental. And people who allow this, pander to and defend these crazy individuals need to take a long hard look at themselves. It needs to stop being a political argument, it should start coming down to common sense, which is rapidly evaporating.

[Cherie]

Exactly. The only way to keep the bad men out is to ban all men otherwise (as is the case now) women don't even have the ability to raise concerns or objections, a guy can go in there as we see here literally shaving his beard in the sink and a woman gets banned for pointing out he shouldn't be in there. It's crazy.

She got banned for trying to safeguard a child, a 12 year old who was there at the time....its actually nuts, and a bit Emperor New Clothes ..ish.....no I cant see anything wrong with a man who says he identifies as a woman shaving in a womans changing room with a child who he is not related to present...because after all he is wearing tights and a skirt so that is the end of it..NUTs

[Mystic Mock]

The problem is that absolutely anyone who simply says "I identify as a woman" can enter female spaces where girls and women are in vulnerable positions/a state of undress. It is mind blowing to me that people are pretending like this loophole isn't going to be taken advantage of by predatory men. The whole reason to stop all men from entering is to protect all women from the bad ones. This is what safe guarding is and why sex segregated spaces exist in the first place in these types of places where women are particularly vulnerable and at risk.

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.

Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.

[Mystic Mock]

No she just both looks and sounds a bit like him (and is right-leaning, though not as much as Shapiro) so it's a commonly made joke that she's Shapiro's drag alter-ego.

I agree that less savoury characters on the right have a tendency to imply that LGBT people are more likely to be paedophiles which is (obviously) nonsense. It bears acknowledging that the simple fact is, most paedophiles by number are straight men. That's just the facts.

The major issue though is that - at this point unquestionably - there are attempts made BY paedophiles to abuse/twist laws and rights designed to protect LGBT people to use as a shield for their own actions. THere are multiple examples at this point and really - just using common sense - of course people with ill intent will try to find ways to use any new rule or law to their advantage.

Taking a deeper dive there are also some issues with certain sections of the trans community and autogynephilia/fetishisation of children or child-like qualities. There just... are. The LGBT community itself knows this fine well but (for I suppose obvious reasons) are hesitant to admit it.

Oh like any other community, Paedophiles will either use or even be apart of the LGBT community, unfortunately.

And tbh I can see why people joke about her looking like Ben Shapiro, it's like looking at his twin Sister (if he has a twin Sister.)

[Niamh.]

Oh like any other community, Paedophiles will either use or even be apart of the LGBT community, unfortunately.



And tbh I can see why people joke about her looking like Ben Shapiro, it's like looking at his twin Sister (if he has a twin Sister.)He's almost 20 years older than her so more like his daughter than twin sister

[Niamh.]

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.



Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.Not sure a safe guarding issue like this should be voted on either tbh, children can't vote in referendums

[Cherie]

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.

Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.

Women will not be given a vote on this ...

[Niamh.]

Women will not be given a vote on this ...If there was a vote it should be asked whether you want to get rid of sex segregated bathrooms/changing rooms/rape crisis centres etc. not whether anyone who identifies as a woman can use women only spaces because that's what would happen in clear language. Our language needs to be clear and realistic

[Mystic Mock]

He's almost 20 years older than her so more like his daughter than twin sister

That does make more sense tbf.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Not sure a safe guarding issue like this should be voted on either tbh, children can't vote in referendums

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

[Niamh.]

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

No, I think young girls are at risk by being in a changing room with men. This is why wording is important. If you allow anyone who identifies as a woman into changing rooms, you are allowing any man at all into changing rooms, there's literally no way to stop any man entering if you say some men are allowed.

[user104658]

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

[Niamh.]

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

Exactly.

[Cherie]

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

There is no risk to kids from transwomen, the risk comes from MEN being able to enter a female only space because they just happen to say they are, that has been the nub of the argument from day one, in fairness transwomen themselves should be coming out in support of women, why they are not is mind blowing to me, I would have no issue with post op transwomen in female spaces but how you get to that point now the genie is out of the bottle with self ID I just dont know

[UserSince2005]

What pervert takes pictures of a beautiful woman as she is in the bathroom. Disgusting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Natalie Pershall, a man dressed as a woman was just sentenced to 6
years probation, 87 days in jail, and must register as a sex offender for taking
pictures of females in the women's bathroom of his company's office.


This is what happens when you have "inclusive" bathroom policies."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJtQgDfXIAA0lId?format=png&name=small

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1773110954282139712?s=20