Are the Juries trying to kill Eurovision?

[Mystic Mock]

I know it sounds OTT, but that's two years in a row now where the Juries have just rammed a **** ton of points onto an act that weren't the most popular with the public, in Switzerland's case they weren't even in the top three of the public vote.

Going by other singing Shows, the public don't like to feel like their voices aren't being heard, plus what are we going to have next year, the Juries pushing a contestant that's finishing 8th in the public vote? It's a slippery slope to go on in my view.

Having said all of that though, I did really like Switzerland's song personally.

[Liam-]

No, they balance it out, if it wasn’t for the juries do you know how many times Moldova would have won with complete garbage?

[Mystic Mock]

No, they balance it out, if it wasn’t for the juries do you know how many times Moldova would have won with complete garbage?

If the public want Moldova to win, then they should win.

What's the point of the public vote, if an act that's scraping into 4th place with the public just wins instead?

Plus none of Croatia, Ukraine, or Israel's songs were chronically awful like what you're describing.

[joeysteele]

I don't honestly know Mock.

This was a very strong Eurovision in my view so I was surprised to see a runaway winner with the jury votes.

The public vote is as mystifying at times to me.
We just have to accept the voting is as it is.

[Nicky91]

juries voted Israel nicely down in mid table position, so no they saved eurovision actually


:hee:

[Vanessa]

They really pissed me off last night. Croatia should have got all those jury votes, not Switzerland.

[Zizu]

Who were the ‘public’ incidentally ??


One ordinary person from each country ?


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[user104658]

If I understand correctly, the juries have voted before any public vote result is known so they can't really know if they're aligned with the public vote or not.

It is of course obviously political, with the irony being that a lot of votes went to Switzerland (partly) because Switzerland are seen as a neutral choice.

Personally I think Croatia would have been a more interesting winner and still not controversial. Switzerland is a very "safe" choice. It was a weird show.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A gay man in a dress who supports a country that would throw him off a building for being gay won so they must be doing something right

:shrug:

[rusticgal]

Its all a load of political bollocks....how anyone watches this crap anymore beats me.

However I do appreciate some people just love it...

[Livia]

But for the juries Israel would have won. But no, there has to be a faceless liberal elite "balancing" the vote so we get a boy in a peach skirt on a lazy Susan with a less than average song. The UK got the public vote it deserved.

[joeysteele]

The juries vote on the Friday before the final.
So the acts do a full run on that Friday.
Then again for the public on Saturday.

Not sure why that's necessary myself.

[Jordan.]

They did a great job, much better than the public vote.

[Liam-]

They did a great job, much better than the public vote.

Very much so

[joeysteele]

They did a great job, much better than the public vote.

I do agree with that Jordan.
Absolutely they did.

[Liam-]

As a Keiino fan during the 2019 contest, I understand being disappointed when your favourite doesn’t do as well with the jury as it does with the public vote, but in general the juries serve a purpose and it should definitely not be left up to the public, especially now that the contest is obviously being used as political messaging by the public more than usual

[Nicky91]

politics aside, Israel's song was just a X Factor winner song styled power ballad, what wouldn't have been talked about as much if it wasn't for the controversies regarding the Israeli war in Gaza


nothing i haven't heard before tbh, very similar to Xtina's ''Beautiful'' or Mariah's ''Hero''



my personal top 5 out of the finalists


1. Croatia
2. Greece
3. Armenia
4. Latvia
5. Norway

with outside top 5 for me in the 6-10 zone

6. Switzerland
7. Italy
8. Portugal
9. Ukraine
10. France

[Crimson Dynamo]

Juries if rammed full of far-left nutjobs who have Palestine and rainbow flags on their X profiles are pretty useless - a jury lives and dies with how balanced it is

[Nicky91]

Juries if rammed full of far-left nutjobs who have Palestine and rainbow flags on their X profiles are pretty useless - a jury lives and dies with how balanced it is

juries consist of people who have knowledge of music

like music critics/journalists, songwriters, singers, talent show judges, radio dj's


also don't trash the ones who gave UK points ;) they also could've blanked it, Olly as the 2nd mr double zero besides James Newman in 2021 (and comparing Dizzy to Embers, i heavily prefer Embers as the more enjoyable bop)

[Crimson Dynamo]

juries consist of people who have knowledge of music

like music critics/journalists, songwriters, singers, talent show judges, radio dj's


also don't trash the ones who gave UK points ;) they also could've blanked it, Olly as the 2nd mr double zero besides James Newman in 2021 (and comparing Dizzy to Embers, i heavily prefer Embers as the more enjoyable bop)

don't talk rubbish

the UK jury is trash leftist woke fest

The United Kingdom’s broadcaster, the BBC has announced the five persons that formed its jury for the Eurovision Song Contest 2024. The jurors were:

Louise Rednapp
Kojo Samuel
Maia Beth
Rika
Adam Murray
:umm2:

"According to the BBC: The UK jury at the Eurovision song contest gave
Israel's Eden Golan zero point, while the UK public vote gave Israel 12 points
(1st place)"

That sums the whole thing up in a nutshell

:bored:

[Nicky91]

don't talk rubbish

the UK jury is trash leftist woke fest

The United Kingdom’s broadcaster, the BBC has announced the five persons that formed its jury for the Eurovision Song Contest 2024. The jurors were:

Louise Rednapp
Kojo Samuel
Maia Beth
Rika
Adam Murray
:umm2:

"According to the BBC: The UK jury at the Eurovision song contest gave
Israel's Eden Golan zero point, while the UK public vote gave Israel 12 points
(1st place)"

That sums the whole thing up in a nutshell

:bored:


fully respect them for blanking the israeli ***** :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The United Kingdom’s broadcaster, the BBC has announced the five persons that formed its jury for the Eurovision Song Contest 2024. The jurors were:

Louise Rednapp
Kojo Samuel
Maia Beth
Rika
Adam Murray
:umm2:

"According to the BBC: The UK jury at the Eurovision song contest gave
Israel's Eden Golan zero point, while the UK public vote gave Israel 12 points
(1st place)"

That sums the whole thing up in a nutshell

:bored:

[user104658]

But for the juries Israel would have won. But no, there has to be a faceless liberal elite "balancing" the vote so we get a boy in a peach skirt on a lazy Susan with a less than average song. The UK got the public vote it deserved.

Israel would have in fact come in 2nd place - it was close, but Croatia won the public vote, not Israel.

[user104658]

Also if we really are going to take politics totally out of the equation - it's fairly evident that Israel did not have the best song. Don't get me wrong, Switzerland was nowhere near my top 5 either, but if we're getting precious about things being "fair and proper", Israel's actual song and performance was middle-of-the-pack. I think the juries under-rated it, and the public over-voted it because of political leanings.

Legitimately far better than the UK's utter garbage obviously.

[Mystic Mock]

If I understand correctly, the juries have voted before any public vote result is known so they can't really know if they're aligned with the public vote or not.

It is of course obviously political, with the irony being that a lot of votes went to Switzerland (partly) because Switzerland are seen as a neutral choice.

Personally I think Croatia would have been a more interesting winner and still not controversial. Switzerland is a very "safe" choice. It was a weird show.

Everyone could tell that Croatia were going to top the vote, especially with Netherlands being removed, as there would've been a split vote to some extent between the two performances.

And I agree with you about Politics playing apart in the Juries decision to elect Switzerland the winner.

And I do also agree that Croatia would've been a more interesting winner, but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be.

Even though I must clarify that I did like Switzerland's song, I just think that Croatia's entry was more catchy.

[Mystic Mock]

As a Keiino fan during the 2019 contest, I understand being disappointed when your favourite doesn’t do as well with the jury as it does with the public vote, but in general the juries serve a purpose and it should definitely not be left up to the public, especially now that the contest is obviously being used as political messaging by the public more than usual

The Juries are also being political as well tbf.

If anything all the Juries did this year was stop Croatia winning, who didn't really get involved with this Israel situation on Eurovision openly either way.

[Redrose]

There needs to be jury vote. Switzerland deserved to win. There is too many bigots around. You cannot rely on the public to make a fair assessment.

[Redrose]

Brits have become extremely conservative. With the way they reacted to Olly's performance. They weren't even this bad in the Victorian era were boys wore skirts. All the flamboyance and angodony of the 70/80s and nobody batted an eyelid.

[Mystic Mock]

There needs to be jury vote. Switzerland deserved to win. There is too many bigots around. You cannot rely on the public to make a fair assessment.

I feel like I don't get the point of the public voting, if an act that they placed 5th in the public vote goes on to win instead.

Whether the public were being possibly bigoted towards Switzerland's entry (which tbh it wouldn't shock me if some people were being hateful) I also personally believe that the public have the right to dislike a contestant on a TV Show for any reason that they like, even if I personally think that it's a ridiculous reason, it imo should be allowed.

The Juries "correcting" the results for acts that didn't even finish in the top 4 of the public vote is damaging to the brand long term imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Brits have become extremely conservative. With the way they reacted to Olly's performance. They weren't even this bad in the Victorian era were boys wore skirts. All the flamboyance and angodony of the 70/80s and nobody batted an eyelid.

Oh we're definitely in the 7th Heaven era of Entertainment again.

"Sex = bad"

"Wholesome values that end up not being so wholesome = good."

[Nicky91]

Brits have become extremely conservative. With the way they reacted to Olly's performance. They weren't even this bad in the Victorian era were boys wore skirts. All the flamboyance and angodony of the 70/80s and nobody batted an eyelid.

not the point though


that staging was a complete mismatch to the song :laugh:


the staging gave me ''Full Monty'' - ''Magic Mike'' vibes, while the song gave me ''Thomas Anders album filler vibes, and very much filler, since Thomas has better synthpop songs in his recent album Cosmic Rider, Je Ne Sais Pas for example''

[Nicky91]

Juries did lots of things right

Germany a decent result, for a solid song and performance


marking Israel accordingly mid table for a unauthentic middle of road but not bad ballad



Switzerland indeed a very jurybait entry, and 5th in televote is good for the Swiss their usual standards tbh, they got last in televote with 0 points in 2022 ;) and 2023 also wasn't liked that much that war message song from a privileged neutral country


think Belgium could've been a problem for Swiss, if they qualified but Mustii was just too alternative in his stage presence