Wednesdsay, Live : Sunak Vs Starmer 8:15PM- 9:30PM BBC1HD 26/6/24

[joeysteele]

This Green co leader and the Plaid leader are awful.

Julie isn't doing a good job again tonight sadly.
Who at ITV really thinks she's the best person to do this.

[arista]

This Green co leader and the Plaid leader are awful.

Julie isn't doing a good job again tonight sadly.
Who at ITV really thinks she's the best person to do this.


I agree

[Crimson Dynamo]

Raynor is very good in terms of she is patient, not rude, gives people time and is measured

I dont agree with things she says but she comes across so much better than Starmer

She seems to be a nice lady tbh

the SNP guy is a nasty snide angry man

[joeysteele]

Raynor is very good in terms of she is patient, not rude, gives people time and is measured

I dont agree with things she says but she comes across so much better than Starmer

She seems to be a nice lady tbh

the SNP guy is a nasty snide angry man

I agree there.

I also really don't like Stephen Flynn at all, I far preferred Ian Blackford.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Penny not throwing an alliance with Nigel away

:omgno:

[Alf]

Sir Keir releases his election song.

Y7GeZ3YmONw

[arista]

Using this thread for a Long Two Hour Leaders Debate
Question Time/

Each Leader gets 30mins to put their case forward.

That seems too long to me.


Sunak
Starmer
Davey
Swinney

I assume the Welsh one as well?

[bots]

no chance i will watch that

[arista]

no chance i will watch that


I Thought you may say that.

I mean I do not need 30mins of SNP

15mins would be better

[Zizu]

I Thought you may say that.

I mean I do not need 30mins of SNP

15mins would be better


Plus Fiona Robinson couldn’t control a pet guinnie pig !


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[joeysteele]

It's the leaders of the 4 parties with the most MPs at Westminster.
As long as it's fine separately and not have them yapping at and over each other.


I understand there's likely another programme to be done for the leaders of some of the other Parties.

[arista]

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Yes No Wales

[arista]

Live in York 8PM tonight.

[arista]

30mins of SNP

I will Mute.

[bots]

Spain vs Italy is on at that time

[arista]

Spain vs Italy is on at that time


Very True
much fewer viewers


I will have both on.
With subtitles

[arista]

Joey
Sunak is a Utter Fool
not to sack Saunders Lady
Conservative Candidate before 8PM Live.

She placed a Bet on Election date
(info from her husband)

He will look stupid
saying she is cooperating with the Gamble Commission.

Of course, she is

Starmer has already stated
she would be straight out the door


Yesterday,
Starmer removed a Labour Candidate,
for something, he stated wrong, years ago.
Now No Labour can be voted in that zone

[joeysteele]

Joey
Sunak is a Utter Fool
not to sack Saunders Lady
Conservative Candidate before 8PM Live.

She placed a Bet on Election date
(info from her husband)

He will look stupid
saying she is cooperating with the Gamble Commission.

Of course, she is

Starmer has already stated
she would be straight out the door


Yesterday,
Starmer removed a Labour Candidate,
for something, he stated wrong, years ago.
Now No Labour can be voted in that zone

Well it was a bit easier for Starmer.
Aberdeenshire North and Moray is hardly going to notice an absence of a Labour candidate :joker:

I totally agree with you on Sunak though.
His judgement is really bad.
Why didn't these people get a third party to place the bets??
Rather than leave themselves identified!!

I just hope the audience is a really interested one and doesn't waste time on more irrelevant and daft prolonged questioning of all the leaders tonight.

[Oliver_W]

This Green co leader and the Plaid leader are awful.

Julie isn't doing a good job again tonight sadly.
Who at ITV really thinks she's the best person to do this.

The Lib Dem woman made my teeth itch. She's horrible.

[MTVN]

Ed Davey did well

[joeysteele]

I really wish Starmer wouldn't waffle.
He'd be better answering in a shorter way.

Than trying to answer a tricky point then elaborating too long on it.

I know he's over cautious in not wanting to say anything that could lose votes obviously, however he just falls flat mostly.

[MTVN]

Sunak got pretty crucified there

People shouting shame on you at him as the credits rolled

[joeysteele]

Sunak didn't help himself getting rather heated with an audience member too.
If this had gone on longer he may have well and truly exploded.

[arista]

Sunak got pretty crucified there

People shouting shame on you at him as the credits rolled


Tragic

[arista]

Next Wednesday 26 June
8:15PM- 9:30PM BBC1HD

Mishal Husain

Sunak Vs Starmer

Head to Head.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

He came over fairly aggressive and uncompromising did Sunak there.

[arista]

8:15PM this Weds

Mishal Husain has to be better with this debate

[joeysteele]

It will be another more borefest.
For want of the right questions being sacrificed for more irrelevant issues raised.

Way too many of these debates sadly, one is more than enough then along with the question time half hour format one.

No more required

Plus postal votes are flooding out being done now from last week.

[arista]

So much has changed
up to date, at least it is just the two.

[joeysteele]

So much has changed
up to date, at least it is just the two.

I think:from conversations with people while canvassing.
Fatigue is setting in as to debates.

A good number weren't impressed with all the debates so far

Plus it's incredible to learn how many, particularly older voters, have already sent off their postal votes.
Plus will be today and tomorrow too.

They're all done finished.
Cannot be changed by anyone or anything.

[smudgie]

It will be another more borefest.
For want of the right questions being sacrificed for more irrelevant issues raised.

Way too many of these debates sadly, one is more than enough then along with the question time half hour format one.

No more required

Plus postal votes are flooding out being done now from last week.

Indeed.
We just keep getting the same inane waffle from all sides. Roll on next month when the dust has time to settle.

[arista]

Sunak
had to Cancel those two Pathetic Candidates
(for insider betting)
in time for this Live Sunak Vs Starmer
with a TV studio Audience
(not like the Sun Paper YouTube Debate on Monday )

[joeysteele]

Unfortunately it's more than likely the gambling issue will be the only probable main thing on this tonight.

This election campaign has been the worst I've seen
Mainly because there's an extra candidate all through who we cannot vote for being presented on like a conveyor belt, namely the OPINION POLLS.

Then the media, TV and press, just avoiding policies for more irrelevant things happening and just looking for confrontation, division and more entertainment than being informative.

I'm glad I'm out canvassing because talking to and listening to people is far better than trying to get any sense from the media overall.
Frankly hoards are done with the election anyhow, as their postal votes are already sent and done now

I doubt there's been an election campaign as badly covered by the media as this one has been

[bots]

there is a limit to how often the public can listen to things like gambling issues. What the public want to know is how can either party make them feel better without charging us more for the privilege. Neither party has a realistic proposal for short term gains for the public. They are just fed up with the tories, but know labour will be just as bad if they get in.

However, all that being said, i would take the political situation we face over whats coming in America and France any day of the week. That is something we should be thankful for, we will have at least another 5 years of democracy

[arista]

Nottingham is the Uptight location
for tonight's live event.

[arista]

150 Public are in the audience
tonight, Trent University Nottingham

Expected 10 or 11, Questions

The BBC Media Director
J.Munro just stated on BBCnewsHD


At the very end, each can have 30 seconds.

[arista]

Starmer has arrived early

[arista]

Sunak has arrived


Each question is will be given by
the audience.

[arista]

Scruffy Hair
Polling expert is doing another Poll,
5mins after the debate

Just Spoke on BBC

[joeysteele]

This will be a waste of time in the main.
Plus there's football on too.

It will be accusations back and forth, with no real detail still plus scaremongering likely.
No doubt Starmer saying his wife works in the NHS
Also his own roots.

Sunak as to his family, one a pharmacist one a GP.

I'll put myself through it however just even out of curiosity I wish I could ignore.

[arista]

No Joey
give it a chance,
it is Live

Good

All Questions from the Audience

Good.

Only Sunak /Starmer


Good.

[arista]

Live Now


BBC1HD

[arista]

Protestors Shouting Outside the Hall


University Trent - Take Poxy Control

[arista]

BBC why pick such a volatile location?

[arista]

Protest Outside the Hall
the pathetic Lady presenter just said

[joeysteele]

Protest Outside the Hall
the pathetic Lady presenter just said

It's very distracting that protesting.

[arista]

It's very distracting that protesting.


Yes sounds like they are killing someone

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its like watching The head of English argue with your Geography teacher

[arista]

Sunak tells Starmer
can he talk with Iran or Afghanistan
Ref: illegals



Starmer stuttering

[arista]

We know Starmer
you were in the Justice System

Answer

[arista]

Sunak is Louder

Than scared Starmer

[joeysteele]

The immigration issue should be a cross Party policy.

Sunak goes on about Rwanda, that's not in my view the answer.
Plus it's going to be massively costly too.
Even if and I'd doubt it is, that flights will get going.

Starmer has good points, so has Sunak.
However not one is the answer that will work enough in my view.

This presenter is poor too.
She's not up to this at all.
Sunak comes across rude, just talking over even the presenter is not a good look.
Not enough time being devoted to the questions asked.

Starmer should however resist the going off in other directions from the questions asked .

Just being demonstrated again that these debates are virtually pointless.
The presenter couldn't get in to speak even for Sunak talking over her, just ignoring her.
That's rude, really rude.

[joeysteele]

Sunak is Louder

Than scared Starmer

Being louder isn't often attractive or good to witness.

A bit of humility and engagement with people is far more appropriate.

[Oliver_W]

Neither are really addressing the questions.

[arista]

Mishal Hussain
is not good getting control

She Turns her back on them to get
the Next Audience question


A Man Presenter
would sort this mess out.

[Alf]

Sounds awful.

The generation of people who have never experienced a Labour government is about to get a shock. They're about to find out that they're no different to the government that they've just been slagging off for the past decade.

Establishment is Establishment.

But you'll still vote for one of the two. It's drummed into you.

[arista]

Neither are really addressing the questions.


Blame The BBC


At the Start Crazy Sounds
from Outside this Basement Hall
Angry Protests

Sounded Terrible

BBC picked this place


Lady in charge
will not raise her voice


BBC picked her

[arista]

Now a lady in the Audience is Screaming

[joeysteele]

This has been the worst one in my view.
Awful.

arista is right, this presenter is really poor.
Really very much so.

Sunak.just ignores the questions mainly.
Moreso on this current question.

[arista]

Starmer is Sneaky
he just said that a Record Store Lady
Sunak says bad luck?

He never said that.

[Alf]

Starmer is Sneaky
he just said that a Record Store Lady
Sunak says bad luck?

He never said that.It sounds like they're both flirting. Just get a room and get it on.

[arista]

Now it is the 30second Endings

Starmer said Sunak made a Lie
saying £2,000 Starmer tax

[arista]

Laura K and Clive now

Why is Clive there?

One is enough

[arista]

The Poll taken
after this live debate

50% Sunak
50% Starmer



Just on SkyNewsHD Live

[joeysteele]

The Poll taken
after this live debate

50% Sunak
50% Starmer



Just on SkyNewsHD Live

That is about right.

Nothing new, nothing of note.

[bots]

The Poll taken
after this live debate

50% Sunak
50% Starmer



Just on SkyNewsHD Live
well that was worth the effort :laugh:

[Alf]

The Poll taken
after this live debate

50% Sunak
50% Starmer



Just on SkyNewsHD LiveThey're both undecided because they're thinking. Maybe Nigel is the man to to bring some balance back.

[arista]

This University changed from a Polytechnic

It has gone downhill.

A Colleague updated me.

The BBC could not stop the outside Anger Crowd
because this University lost control

The first 30mins or so

[arista]

BBC1HD has 3 BBC reporters talking together

up their own Ass

[arista]

Good on SkyNewsHD
showed the horrid protestors Outside the Unversity Halls

Stupid Unversity CEO
could not stop the Shouting from getting through to the Basement
Hall.

[arista]

A few hours before they (loud protestors) built up,

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/26/21/86613469-13573113-image-a-38_1719432861044.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/26/20/86611779-13573113-image-a-24_1719431593548.jpg

This Presenter lady was a Massive Error

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/26/17/86605059-0-image-a-1_1719419182469.jpg

[Ammi]

….for me, Keir Starmer has overall done better in the one on one debates…not because he’s more polished and impressive in his responses etc…but more that Rishi Sunak would make any opponent look good…maybe he thinks that his shouty vibe comes across as passionate but for me, it doesn’t…it just comes across as spoilt and someone who gets annoyed easily at being questioned…it’s Rishi’s way or no way and no other views will be considered…a good PM needs that power of listening too…

[arista]

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The Old Fella's Question
that bbc picked

[joeysteele]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRBy35eXYAAjlnj?format=jpg&name=small

The Old Fella's Question
that bbc picked

I actually think as to both Sunak and Starmer.

This was, in a programme trying to get insight to serious issues in the UK and the world.
The most stupid and ridiculous waste of precious minutes to ask such a pathetic question.

I despair really at times the people they choose to be in the audience and the childish nonsensical questions selected to be asked.
10 year olds in my own family would have come up with a better question to ask than this waste of space from this gentleman!!!

[bots]

what gets me, unless i've missed it somewhere, has defence ever been discussed? We are a hair away from a war in europe, the middle east could literally blow up. Is anyone asking about that? :laugh:

[Gusto Brunt]

I missed that one.

[joeysteele]

what gets me, unless i've missed it somewhere, has defence ever been discussed? We are a hair away from a war in europe, the middle east could literally blow up. Is anyone asking about that? :laugh:

Not really.
Certainly not last night.

The time gets taken up with more irrelevant stupid questions.

Which is why for me anyhow, these debates are pointless.
Plus just about all of them have had in my view, incompetent, poor and bad presenters.

[bots]

i haven't been following it all particularly closely, but it seems to me that the priority issues that people really care about just haven't been debated. It's all been media driven nonsense

[joeysteele]

i haven't been following it all particularly closely, but it seems to me that the priority issues that people really care about just haven't been debated. It's all been media driven nonsense

You'd be right absolutely.

[arista]

I missed that one.

Lucky You

[Gusto Brunt]

Lucky You

I decided to watch a couple of episodes of Star Trek. I didn't know the debate was on. :hee:

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