Wednesdsay, Live : Sunak Vs Starmer 8:15PM- 9:30PM BBC1HD 26/6/24

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Lets have it :dance:

[The Slim Reaper]

This election seems like a win-win for anyone who used to pretend to be a labour supporter :laugh:

[arista]

Lets have it :dance:


Yes we get to see them away from Parliament.


Sunak wants loads


SkyNewsHD ready
BBCnewsHD ready
ITVnewsHD ready

[arista]

This election seems like a win-win for anyone who used to pretend to be a labour supporter :laugh:


Sure but after watching Question Time Live
Labour are not fully ready

[Cherie]

Sure but after watching Question Time Live
Labour are not ready

I have no idea what he is on about, good you are on the case Arista :hee:

[Cherie]

Yes we get to see them away from Parliament.


Sunak wants loads


SkyNewsHD ready
BBCnewsHD ready
ITVnewsHD ready

He wants six which is a bit overkill, but I do want to see them both head to head so to speak hope there aren't too many others involved as really its down to these two

[joeysteele]

I think these debates are just total failures.

Not because of the leaders.
Because of the stupid questions asked and time wasted on.
Plus inept presenters too.

Very sadly.
I doubt many learn much from these debates.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure but after watching Question Time Live
Labour are not fully ready

Ready for what?

Children could run the government as well as the tories have. My expectations for Starmer aren't high, to say the least, but let's be real about exactly who or what he is taking over from.

[The Slim Reaper]

I have no idea what he is on about, good you are on the case Arista :hee:

I'm sure you must know someone who used to pretend to be a labour supporter, and I'm sure they'll be very happy with whomever wins the next election. Pretty easy to understand, but glad I could help, nonetheless.

[arista]

I have no idea what he is on about, good you are on the case Arista :hee:

BBC1HD 10:40PM tonight Question Time


That Labour MP
has no plan for Water Sewage/Bankruptcy

Tim on the Panel has a sensible plan

[arista]

I think these debates are just total failures.

Not because of the leaders.
Because of the stupid questions asked and time wasted on.
Plus inept presenters too.

Very sadly.
I doubt many learn much from these debates.

Hang on
these 2 together
are new to TV Live debates

[Cherie]

BBC1HD 10:40PM tonight Question Time


That Labour MP
has no plan for Water Sewage/Bankruptcy

Tim on the Panel has a sensible plan

A party that actually talks about sorting the state of the waterways will have my attention

[joeysteele]

Hang on
these 2 together
are new to TV Live debates

Come on arista it's not like you not to keep up.:joker:

I said it wasn't the leaders faults.
I said it was the stupid questions asked and inept presenters faults.

[The Slim Reaper]

There was a vote to hold water bosses legally accountable for dumping faeces into our rivers, this week. Tories voted against, and labour abstained.

[Cherie]

There was a vote to hold water bosses legally accountable for dumping faeces into our rivers, this week. Tories voted against, and labour abstained.

wonderful

[bots]

i believe they are taking the piss

[The Slim Reaper]

jobbies for the boys.

[arista]

Starmer has now agreed to do 2 TV debates with Sunak


SkyNewsHD Political Reporter

[Cherie]

Honestly its about the only thing I care about now, if you cant trust the water coming out of your tap or swim in the sea or a river without worrying you could end up with some horrible illness ....eat fish....I dont think so ....just grim

[Mystic Mock]

Sunak's really awkward on TV.

I don't see this ending well for him.

[Redrose]

It's better when all the leaders of the main party's debate at the same time.

[Mystic Mock]

There was a vote to hold water bosses legally accountable for dumping faeces into our rivers, this week. Tories voted against, and labour abstained.

What two candidates.

[joeysteele]

2 would be sufficient.
Every week would end up being a waste of time.

No more than 3 anyhow in my view.
I repeat how they format them is the problem, the stupid questions rather than more relevant issues that get asked.
Plus presenters who fail to even try to handle these debates in any properly constructed way.

I'm surprised Sunak wants 5 or 6.
Considering the way he avoids ever sticking to the content of questions asked, never mind really answering most in PMQs.

[Ammi]

…I can’t say that either one of them are particularly notable or hold interest for their debating/putting across of views etc ways and skills…so I’m not hoping for any exciting watches…tbh, for me…neither of them are ‘leaders’, they’re little boys doing big boy’s jobs…which is terrifying, really…but such is the way of politics in these present times….

[arista]

Sunak's really awkward on TV.

I don't see this ending well for him.


His Back goes up
when facing Tubby Starmer

[Ammi]

…that’s so shabby, Arista…I can’t think that you ever called Boris ‘Tubby Johnson’ …you’re so much better than playground name silly immature stuff…

[arista]

…that’s so shabby, Arista…I can’t think that you ever called Boris ‘Tubby Johnson’ …you’re so much better than playground name silly immature stuff…


I can Call Starmer Tubby


Is all Legal.


And he is Tubby


Slim did the same wording as you

[joeysteele]

…that’s so shabby, Arista…I can’t think that you ever called Boris ‘Tubby Johnson’ …you’re so much better than playground name silly immature stuff…

I don't think Starmer is that much overweight.
Not at all

At least he goes around not with his shirt tails hanging out his trousers like a previous PM did

[arista]

Starmer has asked for a Debate on 3rd of July


I would say
SkyNews should join with ITV
to do one

Sad BBC another

[bots]

they would never do a leader debate the day before the election. I'm surprised Starmer even suggests it

[arista]

they would never do a leader debate the day before the election. I'm surprised Starmer even suggests it


Yes
I assume that would be the 2nd Debate/


Maybe the First TV debate
could be very soon.

[arista]

5 hours ago to the BBC


[Of course there will be live TV debates - Starmer

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has said he will
carry out TV debates, but won't commit to the
idea of weekly head-to-heads,
suggested by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.

Sir Keir added he could debate with the
PM "once or a hundred times",
but "I know what he is going to say.]

[arista]

Labour 'demand' SNP cut from TV General Election debates


Rishi Sunak demands three debates for the next six weeks



Yes 3 is Good

All are Ready

SkyNewsHD
ITV1HD
BBC1HD

[rusticgal]

There was a vote to hold water bosses legally accountable for dumping faeces into our rivers, this week. Tories voted against, and labour abstained.


My best friend is leading a campaign to have this dealt with...she has been on the news recently and was on Countryfile last Monday as she and the villagers are suffering bigtime in Chalfont St Peter.

[rusticgal]

I'm sorry but Starmer will be a useless leader imo......

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sorry but Starmer will be a useless leader imo......

He has been totally useless in opposition

[arista]

I'm sorry but Starmer will be a useless leader imo......


This is why a 60mins or 90mins debates

is needed

[joeysteele]

Labour 'demand' SNP cut from TV General Election debates


Rishi Sunak demands three debates for the next six weeks



Yes 3 is Good

All are Ready

SkyNewsHD
ITV1HD
BBC1HD


3 would be more than enough.

There's really only so much that can be said but in these debates often what's more needed to be said or answered, doesn't even get asked to be.
Because the channels and presenters just want to create divisions and controversy.

Sunak is in my view, the worst PM ever for not even sticking to the content of questions asked of him, never mind ever really answering anything.

So yes, 3 maximum.
No more definitely.

[user104658]

Sunak is in my view, the worst PM ever for not even sticking to the content of questions asked of him, never mind ever really answering anything.



All politicians are question-dodgers at times but Sunak doesn't even f do it with any finesse. He just does this stupid laugh and vacant grin and then talks about something else. Absolutely zero charisma of any variety.

[bots]

Sunak is an accountant and starmer is a lawyer. That's who they are and they won't change ever :laugh:

[arista]

Sunak is an accountant and starmer is a lawyer. That's who they are and they won't change ever :laugh:


Yes stuck in the Dogma

[Crimson Dynamo]

If i was miles ahead in the polls I WOULD AVOID DEBATES

[joeysteele]

All politicians are question-dodgers at times but Sunak doesn't even f do it with any finesse. He just does this stupid laugh and vacant grin and then talks about something else. Absolutely zero charisma of any variety.

I've even stopped watching PMQs because of Sunak and all you describe there.

You could ask him what he has for breakfast, then he'd likely not even answer that.

That vacant grin you point out particularly irritates me.:joker:

[arista]

If i was miles ahead in the polls I WOULD AVOID DEBATES

You never know your Luck


Starmer has not answered every question YET

[bots]

the night before an election, there is no time to fix anything if the debate didn't go well for Starmer, so there is no way he will go through with it unless he is losing by a significant margin at that point. Sunak would love it of course

[arista]

Starmer has asked for
one debate on ITV
and one debate on BBC.


BBC Political Reporter Nick Watt stated

[arista]

First Live TV debate
next Tuesday.

9PM One Hour

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-sunak-and-starmer-to-go-head-to-head-in-first-leaders-tv-debate-13144919

[Livia]

Time to see what's on Netflix...

[arista]

Time to see what's on Netflix...


Yes some will

[arista]

["Sunak v Starmer: The ITV Debate" will be moderated
by journalist Julie Etchingham and will take
place live in front of a studio audience.]

Unlike the USA we have an audience

[arista]

SkyNewsHD

Weds 12 of June

Grimsby with an audience

Starmer and Sunak both invited.

I will use this thread
Edit the Title, after the ITV debate

[arista]

BBC this Friday

[Seven-party debate: Friday 7 June,
London - Mishal Husain will moderate a
debate between leading figures from the seven
biggest political parties in Great Britain.
It will be broadcast from 19:30-21:00]

But will Starmer or Sunak
take place or send another minister?


I will use this thread
for this 7 Party overloaded debate

[arista]

More from BBC

[Question Time Leaders' Special:
Thursday 20 June, York -
Fiona Bruce will present the show involving leaders
of the four biggest political parties
in Great Britain, broadcast from 20:00-22:00]

Again will Starmer and Sunak
attend this one?

[arista]

Finally from the BBC

[Head-to-head debate:
Wednesday 26 June, Nottingham - Sophie Raworth
will host the event involving
Rishi Sunak and Sir Keir Starmer.
This is set to be the last TV debate of the election
campaign and will be broadcast from 21:00-22:00]

[arista]

Also from BBC:

Scotland, Wales and NI

Debates have also been scheduled
in Scotland,
Wales and
Northern Ireland:


[ Scotland Election 2024 Leaders' Special:
Tuesday 11 June - Stephen Jardine will chair
a debate featuring the leaders of the five
Scottish parties. They will appear in front of
a live audience on
BBC One Scotland from 20:00-21:00]

[Wales Leaders' Debate live:
Friday 21 June - Bethan Rhys Roberts will host
a debate programme in Cardiff from
19:00 on BBC One Wales
with the leaders of the main parties in Wales]

[Northern Ireland Leaders' Debate: Thursday 27 June
- Tara Mills will preside over a debate featuring
the main party leaders in Northern Ireland,
broadcast on BBC One Northern Ireland]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq55qk7k847o

[arista]

BBC Newsnight BBC2HD
mentioned tonight
9PM ITV1HD Live debate

As on Victoria's panel tonight 10:30PM Newsnight
is Piers Morgan.

[Gusto Brunt]

Should be good for a laugh. Thanks for telling us about it. :D

[arista]

Live Tonight 9PM-10PM
in the ITV Media Centre in Salford.

The First TV debate with Sunak and Starmer.

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Why is it so late :fist:

[arista]

Why is it so late :fist:

Sadly the only time slot ITV would allow.


I am watching it Live


I want the presenter
to ask Starmer about his Brexit Plans

As Sunak can answer that.

[arista]

More Complicated Debate
this Friday is at 7:30PM Live
But bloody BBC need to Confirm
Sunak and Starmer are on it



[Seven-party debate: Friday 7 June,
London - Mishal Husain will moderate a
debate between leading figures from the seven
biggest political parties in Great Britain.
It will be broadcast from 19:30-21:00]

[Cherie]

Why is it so late :fist:

9 O Clock, sorry Granddad

I will watch it for a laugh

[arista]

9 O Clock, sorry Granddad

I will watch it for a laugh

You Are Most Wise Cherie

[arista]

Tonight around 100 seated audiences
some will have a question for the two.

Live ITV1HD 9PM

[arista]

2 days back,
Unlike Corbyn,
Clever of Starmer who Confirmed
he would Fire Nukes in a
Major War Attack


Infact,
he now matches all of Sunak's Conservatives plans

[joeysteele]

Sunak, we need to stick to the plan, LABOUR has no plan.

Starmer, 14 years wasted, Sunak's plan whatever it is isn't working

No doubt some ridiculous questions asked by the audience of not really much relevance.

I don't think these debates are worthwhile.
Certainly not just between these 2.
Better with more leaders.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Live top Political Reporter Craig
at Salford Media Centre

We could see more chairs being added
to the Clean Studio.

I hope all going in, are searched

[Gusto Brunt]

Should be on earlier. Like 7pm.

[The Slim Reaper]

2 days back,
Unlike Corbyn,
Clever of Starmer who Confirmed
he would Fire Nukes in a
Major War Attack


Infact,
he now matches all of Sunak's Conservatives plans

Nothing clever about that. It's the easiest thing you can do to pretend to be a tough guy. The difficult decision is to not pander to these weirdo narratives guaranteeing the end of our species.

[arista]

Sunak, we need to stick to the plan, LABOUR has no plan.

Starmer, 14 years wasted, Sunak's plan whatever it is isn't working

No doubt some ridiculous questions asked by the audience of not really much relevance.

I don't think these debates are worthwhile.
Certainly not just between these 2.
Better with more leaders.


Hold on Joey
Bloody BBC will not Confirm,
that Sunak or Starmer are on Fridays Live 7 Party Debate
they can send their Deputies or any cabinet member

Which will also be on this thread.

[arista]

Nothing clever about that. It's the easiest thing you can do to pretend to be a tough guy. The difficult decision is to not pander to these weirdo narratives guaranteeing the end of our species.

Sure
but he was Stamping down
he is nothing like ex-leader/former labour Corbyn.

[bots]

You could argue that Sunak has turned the economic corner and that things are on the up, but politics these days isn't about realities, it's about how people feel. I think covid fundamentally changed the population, if a party doesn't make them feel good, they aren't going to vote for them

[arista]

You could argue that Sunak has turned the economic corner and that things are on the up, but politics these days isn't about realities, it's about how people feel. I think covid fundamentally changed the population, if a party doesn't make them feel good, they aren't going to vote for them

Sure
but one problem,
will be they do not know the audience's questions

Some of them will be Very Angry

I am glad it is Live

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure
but he was Stamping down
he is nothing like ex-leader/former labour Corbyn.

Stamping down implies a temper tantrum. I don't want anyone as a leader that believes they're ready to use nukes. It's the one thing absolutely no one should be ready for.

[bots]

Stamping down implies a temper tantrum. I don't want anyone as a leader that believes they're ready to use nukes. It's the one thing absolutely no one should be ready for.

Our only legal justification for using nukes is if an opponent fired one against us (nato) first and if that has actually happened, it then becomes a case of retribution

Nukes are and have always been a threat. Even if a leader says they won't use them, who is to say they won't immediately change their mind if they actually do get attacked. Unless we disarm, it is always there as an option to future leaders

[arista]

Stamping down implies a temper tantrum. I don't want anyone as a leader that believes they're ready to use nukes. It's the one thing absolutely no one should be ready for.


Look he gets angry every time Corbyn is mentioned


So Sunak should chuck that at tubby Starmer

[The Slim Reaper]

Our only legal justification for using nukes is if an opponent fired one against us (nato) first and if that has actually happened, it then becomes a case of retribution

Nukes are and have always been a threat. Even if a leader says they won't use them, who is to say they won't immediately change their mind if they actually do get attacked. Unless we disarm, it is always there as an option to future leaders

It shouldn't necessarily follow that even if one is used against us, that we should retaliate straight back, because there is no good ending in that scenario.

I think you're missing the point a bit; caution should be the first response if they were fired at us, not eagerness for mutually assured destruction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

my guess is Starmer will say "change" 20 times in the first 30 mins

[The Slim Reaper]

Look he gets angry every time Corbyn is mentioned


So Sunak should chuck that at tubby Starmer

No one would like to have a mirror held up at them, revealing how vacuously empty they are.

[joeysteele]

Sunak should get more said because he talks more rapidly so can avoid interruptions.

Whereas Starmer has a kind of delayed reaction mechanism in speaking much more slowly.

[bots]

It's at least unlikely that either of them will spout complete gibberish or stare vacantly for extended periods without saying anything. We can all be thankful for some things :laugh:

[arista]

we are live

[arista]

Looks like Starmer wins Question 1

[MTVN]

Sunak is risking the same issues he was guilty of against Truss where he talks over other people too much and won't shut up

Starmer didn't counter the tax claims very effectively though

[bots]

Sunak is risking the same issues he was guilty of against Truss where he talks over other people too much and won't shut up

Starmer didn't counter the tax claims very effectively though

i gave in and am watching it. Starmer so far has been awful.

The moderation is dreadful though, Sunak keeps butting in :laugh:

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This is hopeless
The presenter is doing a terrible job here.
She's not allotting equal time.
Terrible.

They're both doing badly admittedly.
Sunak is coming across more ignorant though.

[bots]

Starmer is getting more chance to explain himself now, but really, the message is labour will raise tax, tories wont

[joeysteele]

This reminds me of the trump/ Biden debates
Where Trump tried to take over completely just bludgeoning.
Biden shaking his head and needing to grab time if possible.

This presenter is shocking, she cannot get Sunak to be quiet even when she says so more than once.

This is as bad as PMQs to watch.
Awful.

[bots]

Starmer honestly looks out of his depth

[joeysteele]

Oh ITV made a big mistake having Julie as the presenter here.
Unfortunately.

Is she the presenter or is Sunak???

[MTVN]

I actually think Starmer is doing quite well :laugh: Sunak comes across too rude and belligerent

[bots]

I actually think Starmer is doing quite well :laugh: Sunak comes across too rude and belligerent

i like rude and belligerent Sunak :joker:

[bots]

if i hear 1 more time that starmer was the director of public prosecutions i'm going to scream :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I actually think Starmer is doing quite well :laugh: Sunak comes across too rude and belligerent

I agree mostly.

They're both really not doing at all well though.

[Zizu]

I agree mostly.

They're both really not doing at all well though.


Because they are both charlatans


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage is streets ahead of these 2 bozoz

[hijaxers]

Unwatchable ! I know who i'm voting for and its not either of these buffoons :laugh:

[Zizu]

The host is doesn’t seem very authoritative


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[joeysteele]

The host is doesn’t seem very authoritative


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The host is hopeless.

I have wasted over an hour watching this however.
She has failed bigtime hosting this.

I can't see where anyone will have learned anything at all watching this.

[Zizu]

Gawd these two are both gormless ..

Rishi seems like a nice guy .. whereas Starmer somehow doesn’t ..


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[Zizu]

Has she just learnt how to read ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The host is hopeless.

I have wasted over an hour watching this however.
She has failed bigtime hosting this.

I can't see where anyone will have learned anything at all watching this.

have to agree Joey

(probably have agreed with your posts today more than the whole year combined :joker:)

[Zizu]

Starmer waxing lyrical about Southgate’s many qualities ..


He’s dumber than I ever imagined


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[joeysteele]

have to agree Joey

(probably have agreed with your posts today more than the whole year combined :joker:)

:joker: That's maybe a first LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: That's maybe a first LT.

:joker:

I make you right!

We may disagree Joey but I always respect your forthright views and consistency on the site

for sure

[Mystic Mock]

Starmer waxing lyrical about Southgate’s many qualities ..


He’s dumber than I ever imagined


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Tbf have you seen Starmer and Sunak?

Even I seem like a functioning member of society in comparison to those two.:joker:

[joeysteele]

Oh this may be better with this lot now.
LibDems, Greens, Reform and SNP.

[Cherie]

Very surprised at Sunak winning that debate easily in my view, Starmer kept rolling his eyes and looked shocked at some of things Sunak was saying, can see why he wanted a debate every week....



Shocker for Starmer, not sure it will change any minds

[bots]

i think you all have too high expectations. Starmer didn't lead a chorus of lock him up, neither of them got personal. That's a win. Compare that to any other recent election debate in any other of the leading economies and it was a good debate

[bots]

Very surprised at Sunak winning that debate easily in my view, Starmer kept rolling his eyes and looked shocked at some of things Sunak was saying, can see why he wanted a debate every week....



Shocker for Starmer, not sure it will change any minds

that was very much my impression too

[smudgie]

Very surprised at Sunak winning that debate easily in my view, Starmer kept rolling his eyes and looked shocked at some of things Sunak was saying, can see why he wanted a debate every week....



Shocker for Starmer, not sure it will change any minds

Spot on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING

And the winner is

NIGEL FARAGE..REFORM UK

[joeysteele]

Hmm this questioning of the LibDems, SNP, Reform and Greens wasn't better.
Again for the want of better questions that could have been asked.

[joeysteele]

The poll after it put Sunak at 51%, Starmer at 49%

Close to being even.
For me neither was really better than the other.

Actually for me too, rather pointless to do these things BEFORE the manifestos are published.
Far better have the manifesto commitments presented to question on.

[Zizu]

I hate politicians but going off what I saw tonight .. Starmer looked to be uncomfortable and nervous


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The host is hopeless.

I have wasted over an hour watching this however.
She has failed bigtime hosting this.

I can't see where anyone will have learned anything at all watching this.


Yes losing Control
Allowing Sunak to over shouting Starmer.


She Should have set the Rules
at the Bloody start




Next Friday Crazy 7 Leaders 90mins 7:30PM BBC1HD

Still do not know if Starmer/Sunak are present in that

[joeysteele]

Yes losing Control
Allowing Sunak to over shouting Starmer.


She Should have set the Rules
at the Bloody start




Next Friday Crazy 7 Leaders 90mins 7:30PM BBC1HD

Still do not know if Starmer/Sunak are present in that



Definitely.
She was really terrible.

Sunak showed no respect that she was the host.
He acted as if it was PMQs.

It was a very poor debate.
I doubt any minds will be changed because of it.
I hope anymore will be constructed better and controlled far better too.

[Mystic Mock]

It shouldn't necessarily follow that even if one is used against us, that we should retaliate straight back, because there is no good ending in that scenario.

I think you're missing the point a bit; caution should be the first response if they were fired at us, not eagerness for mutually assured destruction.

I get what you're saying, and you are right imo.

But there would be public pressure for Sunak/Starmer to retaliate with nuking the aggressor back, if we were to be attacked with a nuke ourselves.

[arista]

No Brexit questions
a chance missed.

[Mystic Mock]

Sunak needed to win the opinion poll by a bigger margin, considering he appears to be far behind Starmer going into the debate.

[arista]

Sunak got his Starmer £2,000 Tax message across


I think both would put up Tax.
They have no choice


Martin Lewis co-presenting GMBHD itv
said that £2,000 Labour Tax message,
was made up from working it all out
so he thinks it is roughly correct.................

[arista]

Last night 4.8 Million watched it

1 Million watched Love Island

Ref: Times Radio Live

[Zizu]

Last night 4.8 Million watched it

1 Million watched Love Island

Ref: Times Radio Live


Only 15% of people bothered to watch the two comedians taking in turns to spout out ridiculous lies to their gullible supporters


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[Livia]

I watched the Lionesses beat France. Much more entertaining.

[arista]

Last Night 32mins

Piers Morgan & Mick Lynch
Newsnight Live debated last night itv debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...debate-who-won

[Gusto Brunt]

No Brexit questions
a chance missed.

Maybe everyone's happy with Brexit. :)

Regards the Starmer and Sunak debate, I thought Sunak came across as very aggressive.

Starmer a bit of a poodle. :p :shocked:

[Zizu]

Maybe everyone's happy with Brexit. :)

Regards the Starmer and Sunak debate, I thought Sunak came across as very aggressive.

Starmer a bit of a poodle. :p :shocked:


Agreed


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[arista]

Maybe everyone's happy with Brexit. :)

Regards the Starmer and Sunak debate, I thought Sunak came across as very aggressive.

Starmer a bit of a poodle. :p :shocked:


No they are NOT

[Gusto Brunt]

No they are NOT

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

Agreed


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[The Slim Reaper]

I get what you're saying, and you are right imo.

But there would be public pressure for Sunak/Starmer to retaliate with nuking the aggressor back, if we were to be attacked with a nuke ourselves.

That's why it takes a stronger person to not give in and pander to the crowd. Let's say it's Russia and we got "fortunate" as it landed down by Plymouth/Exeter, and we got away with the minimal amount of casualties for a nuke, the minute we fired back and their satellites detected our retaliation, they would send over enough to just wipe us out. Because they aren't used, I feel like the power of nukes can seem a bit abstract.

Jeremy was right to show caution when being pressed on this issue during his time as leader, and it is only candidates who are weak (regardless of political persuasion) that need to act as though they're ready to destroy the world to appease the Galahads.

[arista]

I knew It


This Friday BBC1HD 7:30PM NO STARMER NO SUNAK
7 Party Leaders.

It is Angela Raynor
and Penny Mordaunt


Stephen Flyn
Nigel Farage

[Zizu]

I knew It


This Friday BBC1HD 7:30PM NO STARMER NO SUNAK
7 Party Leaders.

It is Angela Raynor
and Penny Mordaunt


Stephen Flyn
Nigel Farage


No way will I be watching that gobby madam Raynor spitting complete hogwash for an hour or more !


Edit
What a bladdy choice .. Rayner or Southgate’s England on at the same time

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[arista]

No way will I be watching that gobby madam Raynor spitting complete hogwash for an hour or more !


Edit
What a bladdy choice .. Rayner or Southgate’s England on at the same time



Also it is 90 mins BBC1HD


7:30PM - 9PM

I will be watching it


7 there will be hard to control.


Later tonight I will change this thread title
for Fridays Live Event

[arista]

Full List of the 7
on BBC1HD 7:30PM-9PM Friday


Conservative - Penny Mordaunt
Labour - Angela Rayner
Lib Dem - Daisy Cooper
Reform UK - Nigel Farage
SNP - Stephen Flynn
Green - Carla Denyer
Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth

[arista]

Full List of the 7
on BBC1HD 7:30PM-9PM Friday


Conservative - Penny Mordaunt
Labour - Angela Rayner
Lib Dem - Daisy Cooper
Reform UK - Nigel Farage
SNP - Stephen Flynn
Green - Carla Denyer
Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth


On X

many are saying one person is missing
Unlike Farage he is an MP.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/15484198/1687437145/1080x360

[joeysteele]

Full List of the 7
on BBC1HD 7:30PM-9PM Friday


Conservative - Penny Mordaunt
Labour - Angela Rayner
Lib Dem - Daisy Cooper
Reform UK - Nigel Farage
SNP - Stephen Flynn
Green - Carla Denyer
Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth

Wonder why Ed Davey hasn't done this.
Also Oliver Dowden the deputy PM of the Cons.

I'm actually not keen at all on the new Plaid leader nor Carla Denyer from the Green party.

I'm not surprised and am even pleased to see Nigel Farage on actually.
I think he'll take out Penny Mordaunt if she starts hailing the Con record in government particularly on immigration.

So may be worth looking in on.
After the leaders farcical debate though with only 2 of them and that really inept and terrible presenter.on that one.
Let's hope the BBC organise this one much better as to controlling it.

As much as I dislike him, really Galloway maybe should have been included too.
In the interests of political fairness .

[The Slim Reaper]

Wonder why Ed Davey hasn't done this.
Also Oliver Dowden the deputy PM of the Cons.

I'm actually not keen at all on the new Plaid leader nor Carla Denyer from the Green party.

I'm not surprised and am even pleased to see Nigel Farage on actually.
I think he'll take out Penny Mordaunt if she starts hailing the Con record in government particularly on immigration.

So may be worth looking in on.
After the leaders farcical debate though with only 2 of them and that really inept and terrible presenter.on that one.
Let's hope the BBC organise this one much better as to controlling it.

As much as I dislike him, really Galloway maybe should have been included too.
In the interests of political fairness .

That's a good and fair point, that I agree with. Not a fan of him or his party, but fairness should be followed.

The greens are also being left out of debates, and this is also wrong.

[arista]

Wonder why Ed Davey hasn't done this.
Also Oliver Dowden the deputy PM of the Cons.

I'm actually not keen at all on the new Plaid leader nor Carla Denyer from the Green party.

I'm not surprised and am even pleased to see Nigel Farage on actually.
I think he'll take out Penny Mordaunt if she starts hailing the Con record in government particularly on immigration.

So may be worth looking in on.
After the leaders farcical debate though with only 2 of them and that really inept and terrible presenter.on that one.
Let's hope the BBC organise this one much better as to controlling it.

As much as I dislike him, really Galloway maybe should have been included too.
In the interests of political fairness .


Yes Galloway
Won his seat a Real MP

[arista]

That's a good and fair point, that I agree with. Not a fan of him or his party, but fairness should be followed.

The greens are also being left out of debates, and this is also wrong.

No

Slim

One Green Leader is on the list.

[The Slim Reaper]

No

Slim

One Green Leader is on the list.

Talking about Scotland, where they've been completely excluded.

[arista]

Talking about Scotland, where they've been completely excluded.


That is Fair
they were kicked out of power in Scotland

[MTVN]

Galloway on there would be great television

Don't mean to be rude to Wales but Plaid are not exactly relevant for anyone outside of there

[bots]

Talking about Scotland, where they've been completely excluded.

Scottish labour and scottish conservatives aren't included either, why would they be?

[The Slim Reaper]

Scottish labour and scottish conservatives aren't included either, why would they be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c511lgve271o#:~:text=STV%20will%20screen%20a%2090, having%20several%20MSPs%20at%20Holyrood.

The Scottish Greens have labelled the decision to exclude them from the first televised leadership debate of the general election as "outrageous".

STV will screen a 90 minute programme later, featuring the SNP, Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

However the Greens will not be represented as they currently do not hold any Scottish seats at Westminster, despite having several MSPs at Holyrood.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As if anyone wants to hear what the green nutters have to say

Get them right in the bin

[arista]

SkyNewsHD

Weds 12 of June

Grimsby with an audience

Starmer and Sunak both invited.

I will use this thread
Edit the Title, after the ITV debate


Both Starmer & Sunak
have agreed to be in Grimsby
on Weds 12th June
for this debate with SkyNewsHD

Also free on YouTube in 1080P


https://news.sky.com/story/the-battle-for-number-10-a-sky-news-uk-election-leaders-special-event-live-from-grimsby-13148412

[arista]

Full List of the 7
on BBC1HD 7:30PM-9PM Friday Live tonight


Conservative - Penny Mordaunt
Labour - Angela Rayner
Lib Dem - Daisy Cooper
Reform UK - Nigel Farage
SNP - Stephen Flynn
Green - Carla Denyer
Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth

[bots]

7 is way too many

[arista]

7 is way too many



Yes I am watching it
for then presenter to cry


Bless her

[arista]

They better not spend the whole 90mins on attacking Sunak
and him leaving D-Day early
for an ITV pushy reporter

There is more important issues

[arista]

On X

many are saying one person is missing
Unlike Farage he is an MP.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/15484198/1687437145/1080x360

Also,
he is missing?

[arista]

Presenter Mishal Husain will moderate

but she is Not Tough Enough.

[joeysteele]

Presenter Mishal Husain will moderate

but she is Not Tough Enough.

Surely couldn't be worse than Julie on Tuesday's debate with only 2 leaders !!!

She had no control really, especially over Sunak.

[arista]

Surely couldn't be worse than Julie on Tuesday's debate with only 2 leaders !!!

She had no control really, especially over Sunak.


Yes She Failed



Lets hope this Radio 4 Lady
can control 7

90mins means no rushing

[arista]

I will be playing
GTA5 on PS5 as Trevor with his Axe
while this Live Debate is on my other TV


It helps me get through the 90 mins Live Debate


I will record Ch4HDnews

[Crimson Dynamo]

I will be playing
GTA5 on PS5 as Trevor with his Axe
while this Live Debate is on my other TV


It helps me get through the 90 mins Live Debate


I will record Ch4HDnews

I will watch it with my pal Johnny Walker

[arista]

I will watch it with my pal Johnny Walker

Nice

[arista]

It is also with Sign Language
on BBCnewsHD

[Zizu]

It is also with Sign Language
on BBCnewsHD


They will need that especially for Angela Rayner .


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[bots]

I will watch it with my pal Johnny Walker

the only way i could watch it would be if i was with my pal Jon Snow

[arista]

15mins to go

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is also with Sign Language
on BBCnewsHD

waste of time, just have subtitles option

[arista]

waste of time, just have subtitles option


Of course.

[joeysteele]

It is also with Sign Language
on BBCnewsHD

That should be interesting, especially if they're all talking over each other.

[arista]

LIVE NOW

[Crimson Dynamo]

get that green loony in the bin for a start

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to see Penny and Nigel

[arista]

get that green loony in the bin for a start


Good Point

[joeysteele]

These really don't work.

I think these debates are useless.

No one is able to get a flow to explain or deal with any questioning effectively.

The Green representative is terrible along with the Plaid Cymru one.

It's better individual interviewing like there used to be with Jeremy Paxman and Andrew O'Neill etc.
This is rather weak again.

Probably up to now, although it pains me to say it, Nigel Farage is performing the better of them all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant belive we talk about illegal immigration and the snp loony says "we need immigration"]

its like the left have not moved on in 20 years"

surely as adults they can differentiate?

the welsh useful idiot just did the same

we cant even have a conversation about illegal immigration as the lonny left just want to win the culture war

pathetic
------

what is sad is the left wing audience clapped the snp


such a stitch up and really sad to watch

[joeysteele]

This is another non event.

I really cannot see that anyone watching this will be any the wiser.
It's all like being talked AT not being talked TO.

At least Farage got in about the ridiculous electoral system.
Something I obviously 100% agree with
I think like what Farage said, that's the start to getting better politics and much more than likely better government too.

I can't stand that new Plaid Cymru leader, not at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't stand that new Plaid Cymru leader, not at all.


have to agree

[Crimson Dynamo]

Knife crime

1.Nigel: increase stop and search

2.Libs - stop and search is good but lets not target black people despite the fact that its those young men who have the knives

3.Green - ignore all that and solve poverty and then crime will stop


1.reality

2. ignore reality to virtue signal

3. talk idealistic bollocks that will never happen

[Crimson Dynamo]

snp - an independent scotland will only have broadswords and longbows

[arista]

Terrible debate

[joeysteele]

Terrible debate

It was a non event.
In fact pointless.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the lady in charge did ok but they people on the panel were respectful

Rayner was so so quiet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Penny looked mortified to have to stand there and defend Sunak

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/06/07/3790976638812864127/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_3790976638812864127.jpg

[joeysteele]

They've just said on TV a poll done after the debate.
Had Farage the best with 25%
Raynor second with 19%
None of them 14%

The rest with minor results.

I do think Farage performed the best.
Mordaunt came across ignorant almost trying to treat Farage as if he wasn't even there.

[arista]

Sorry I have changed the thread Already
that BBC 7 Leaders debate was not good enough.............

All can watch SkyNews Now
as it is Free to air in 1080P on YouTube as well.

The locals in Grimsby can dig in to Starmer and Wounded Sunak
better


Next Tuesday starting at 7PM - 10PM

[Alf]

Sorry I have changed the thread Already
that BBC 7 Leaders debate was not good enough.............

All can watch SkyNews Now
as it is Free to air in 1080P on YouTube as well.

The locals in Grimsby can dig in to Starmer and Wounded Sunak
better


Next Tuesday starting at 7PM - 10PMGrimsby will vote Farage.

[arista]

Grimsby will vote Farage.

Sure Alf,
but in the meantime, they will be seated near
tubby Starmer and Wounded Sunak.


And can ask many questions

https://news.sky.com/story/the-battle-for-number-10-a-sky-news-uk-election-leaders-special-event-live-from-grimsby-13148412

[Gusto Brunt]

I missed the one yesterday but I must say politics aside, I think Penny is a pretty hot milf. :D

Sexist and uncalled for but there you go. :p

They say she's the next Tory leader but there are serious doubts she'll hold onto her seat.

[Zizu]

I missed the one yesterday but I must say politics aside, I think Penny is a pretty hot milf. :D

Sexist and uncalled for but there you go. :p

They say she's the next Tory leader but there are serious doubts she'll hold onto her seat.


Totally agree :)

On the looks ..

I actually thought she was rather impressive and had that gobby Rayner squirming throughout

[arista]

Farage last night was funny
talking about the worst 2 leaders

But then giving Angela a comment
of at least she has a personality..........................

[joeysteele]

Farage last night was funny
talking about the worst 2 leaders

But then giving Angela a comment
of at least she has a personality..........................

:joker: yes that was a lighter good moment.

[arista]

That day after the Sky Live Debate

Another 7 Leaders debate
ITV claim Starmer, Sunak, Farage etc................

Thursday, June 13 at 8.30pm, on ITV1, ITVX, STV and STV Player.


[Leaders or senior representatives
from the Conservative Party, Labour Party,
Liberal Democrats, SNP, Reform UK,
Green Party and Plaid Cymru will take part.

The 90-minute debate will be moderated by
Julie Etchingham]


I do not think Starmer and Sunak will go
on a 7 debate with
Farage?

[joeysteele]

That day after the Sky Live Debate

Another 7 Leaders debate
ITV claim Starmer, Sunak, Farage etc................

Thursday, June 13 at 8.30pm, on ITV1, ITVX, STV and STV Player.


[Leaders or senior representatives
from the Conservative Party, Labour Party,
Liberal Democrats, SNP, Reform UK,
Green Party and Plaid Cymru will take part.

The 90-minute debate will be moderated by
Julie Etchingham]


I do not think Starmer and Sunak will go
on a 7 debate with
Farage?

Oh not Julie Etchingham again
She was shocking in the Starmer/Sunak debate.
Awful.

[arista]

Oh not Julie Etchingham again
She was shocking in the Starmer/Sunak debate.
Awful.


Yes her again
with 7 leaders

I think it could be the same 7 as the BBC had.

No Sunak or Starmer

[joeysteele]

Yes her again
with 7 leaders

I think it could be the same 7 as the BBC had.

No Sunak or Starmer

Aaargh are they trying to bore us to death ?

[arista]

SkyNewsHD debate on Weds 7PM

is Beth Rigby

with Sunak And Starmer

and an Audience in Grimsby.

[Zizu]

SkyNewsHD debate on Weds 7PM

is Beth Rigby

with Sunak And Starmer

and an Audience in Grimsby.


Beth bloody Rigby .. no thanks


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[arista]

7:30PM - 9PM
tonight on 3 channels and free YouTube.

SkyMixHD
SkyShowcaseHD
and
SkyNewsHD

Live in Grimsby.

Sunak and Starmer

[arista]

Format has changed

It is Beth Interviewing Starmer first.
One on One Live

Then Sunak One on One. Live

20mins each. BBCnewsHD reporting
Live from Grimsby Town Hall


Also the Audience get to ask their Questions

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUvTVdTMyY


SkyNews Free to watch on YouTube.

[Gusto Brunt]

Well at least this one is on at a decent time of 7.30pm. ;)

[arista]

Well at least this one is on at a decent time of 7.30pm. ;)



Yes and also Free on YouTube in Full HD
click the settings to 1080P 60


TV broadcast is 1080i

[arista]

Great the GBnewsHD
reporter Katherine Forster (was a BBC reporter)
showed the snacks
Loads of cans of Fizzy drink
and baskets of Chocolates.

Coca Cola
Lemon Fanta
Orange Fanta
Sprite

Snickers
Twix
Mars
Milk Chocolate

Chewits sweets

Tea Bags in individual packaging



She said not the most healthy............

[Crimson Dynamo]

not interested in these 2 has-beens

:bored:

[arista]

not interested in these 2 has-beens

:bored:


Fair Point


A new report has many
not liking this General Election

[arista]

Tomorrow on ITV1HD 8:30PM - 10:10PM
7 leaders debate

I will Edit the title
late night

[arista]

Live now Starmer

[arista]

Beth getting Rude:

To Starmer

Some say you are Stiff and Bored.

Starmer said Cheers

[joeysteele]

Actually.
He's a bit more lively however let's see how he deals with the audience.
He's certainly a bit more awake tonight.

[joeysteele]

Beth getting Rude:

To Starmer

Some say you are Stiff and Bored.

Starmer said Cheers

That is how many people see him though.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

just said that his wife works in NHS. the pressure on the NHS during covid was intolerable

Scottish covid inquiry last week found hospitals were half empty

its just lies, lies lies

[arista]

He is doing well
on Audience Questions

Lady said her Dentist
was NHS but now private - she has no choice?

Starmer says he hopes to become able
to get more back on NHS

[joeysteele]

He is doing well
on Audience Questions

Lady said her Dentist
was NHS but now private - she has no choice?

Starmer says he hopes to become able
to get more back on NHS

He's done really well.
Much more competent tonight.

[arista]

Young Fella
says all he has known is Conservative.

Starmer now running out of time

He will build much more housing

[arista]

He's done really well.
Much more competent tonight.



Yes they did clap him a lot.


After the ads

Sunak PM

[arista]

Not going as well for Sunak


Some in the Audience
Shout at at him

[arista]

Beth pushing Ed Conway's Numbers

Once he said he has not seen them


Why carry on with that Question Beth?

[joeysteele]

Sunak unfortunately is coming across often as arrogant but not in a good way

[joeysteele]

Beth pushing Ed Conway's Numbers

Once he said he has not seen them


Why carry on with that Question Beth?

The interviewers annoy me.

[arista]

Times Radio is playing it Live

[arista]

I would say Starmer won that debate.

[joeysteele]

I would say Starmer won that debate.

I agree.

Although I think Sunak did okay too with the audience questioning.
He got more heckling but I think that's what politicians need

More challenging on what they say by the voters.

[arista]

36% Sunak

64% Starmer think he was better

[GiRTh]

It wasn't a debate but it was better than the ITv shouting match last week.

I like Beth but I thought she was interrupting too much in order to meet the time constraints. She was equally hostile to both candidates.

Starmer clearly won and Sunak looked lost at times. He cant handle it when people disagree with him

[bots]

Can you imagine what it's like for Sunak to have to put himself in front of the camera for the next few weeks. :laugh:

Everyone knows he is gone, he knows he is gone, and yet he still has to do all these shows :laugh:

[arista]

Lucky Sods
Fish and Chips Delivered/


Also a Local Can of Hand Craft beer in cans


GBnewsHD Showed the back rooms of the Old Hall again

[Alf]

Lucky Sods
Fish and Chips Delivered/


Also a Local Can of Hand Craft beer in cans


GBnewsHD Showed the back rooms of the Old Hall againBest fish and chips in the World in Humberside.

Humberside is the capital of Fish and Chips

[arista]

Can you imagine what it's like for Sunak to have to put himself in front of the camera for the next few weeks. :laugh:

Everyone knows he is gone, he knows he is gone, and yet he still has to do all these shows :laugh:


Yes
Sunak was Laughed at.

[Alf]

1800814843299303626

[arista]

1800814843299303626


Yes Alf


Beth did not push Reform enough at Sunak.

[Zizu]

Did anyone ask Beth about her breaking Covid rules and partying ( and getting suspended) ??


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP5Ku39WUAAIEU2?format=jpg&name=small

One of the Press
with their Free Cod and Chips

Photo by GBnewsHD reporter

[Alf]

Should have gone for the Haddock. Far better than Cod.

[arista]

Did anyone ask Beth about her breaking Covid rules and partying ( and getting suspended) ??




Of course not

It was not about her


It was about Sunak and Starmer

[GiRTh]

Best fish and chips in the World in Humberside.

Humberside is the capital of Fish and ChipsAgree with this. Grimsby and Skeggy are great for Fish and Chips. Better than Whitby IMO

[GiRTh]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP5Ku39WUAAIEU2?format=jpg&name=small

One of the Press
with their Free Cod and Chips

Photo by GBnewsHD reporterFish looks a bit greasy :yuk:

[Zizu]

Fish looks a bit greasy :yuk:


Yeah !

The batter looks like its absorbed a load of fat


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[Zizu]

Fish looks a bit greasy :yuk:


It may have been fried at lunchtime and reheated at teatime / evening


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[arista]

That day after the Sky Live Debate

Another 7 Leaders debate
ITV claim Starmer, Sunak, Farage etc................

Thursday, June 13 at 8.30pm, on ITV1, ITVX, STV and STV Player.


[Leaders or senior representatives
from the Conservative Party, Labour Party,
Liberal Democrats, SNP, Reform UK,
Green Party and Plaid Cymru will take part.

The 90-minute debate will be moderated by
Julie Etchingham]


I do not think Starmer and Sunak will go
on a 7 debate with
Farage?

Another Live Debate tonight 8:30PM- 10:10PM ITV1HD

[joeysteele]

Another Live Debate tonight 8:30PM- 10:10PM ITV1HD

If it's just the same ones that were on before
Then this is more pointless.

[arista]

If it's just the same ones that were on before
Then this is more pointless.


I assume it is Penny Mordaunt and Angela Raynor

For Conservative and Labour

But they (ITV news) must Confirm it .................................

[joeysteele]

I assume it is Penny Mordaunt and Angela Raynor

For Conservative and Labour

But they (ITV news) must Confirm it .................................

Ugh from me.
Even moreso if they have that awful Plaid Cymru and Green co leader on again too.

[arista]

Yeah !

The batter looks like its absorbed a load of fat




Sure,
but I am sure the press
at last night's live event
we're happy to have hot food free

[arista]

Live in a few mins

[MTVN]

Daisy Cooper's fixed smile freaking me out

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rayner once again is so ineffectual?

I thought she would be miles better

She comes across as a nice lady but with no oomph