If you’re a woman…

[Redway]

I don’t know how far we’re going to get with this conversation considering the blatant transphobia that flutters not-so-very-subtly on this forum, but let’s try. Anyone and everyone is welcome to chip in but the question per-se is for women (and let’s park the annoyance at using ‘cis.’ as a descriptor right here; I’m not having that conversation). And the question is this: should trans.-women be allowed to use conventional women’s toilets? (Yes, we really are in the periodic text-boldening era. At least occasionally.)

Anyone who doesn’t have a vagina can go and sit down as far as the poll is concerned.

[Mystic Mock]

I won't vote on the poll as I'm not a woman.

But my feelings on it are that last year we had our highest ever recorded statistics on women being sexually assaulted, so imo if the Transwoman still has a penis, then it's taking an unnecessary risk is how I view it.

Having said that though, I'm not a woman, so they should have their say on this topic more than myself.

[DemRed]

If its a chick with a dick... NO
If its a chick who no longer has a dick... YES

[smudgie]

.

No penis allowed in ladies toilets.

[GoldHeart]

The Problem is predators are taking advantage of this whole thing, but if you haven't even attempted to look like a woman & you still have male parts ,then you shouldn't be using women's bathrooms. There should be respect 2 ways.

But men are walking into women's spaces as bold as anything , they're not even attempting to look 'female'. In America it looks like both men & women are walking in each others lockerooms like it's the norm, a man was
caught shaving in a women's space & a woman was
caught filming men in a men's lockeroom.

So it's all a joke & a big fat mess, privacy is important and nowadays it seems more & more people are overstepping boundaries and making women & children feel uncomfortable for the sake of it .

I know this poll is mainly about public bathrooms,but I'm glad I don't use gyms anymore.

[Redway]

The Problem is predators are taking advantage of this whole thing, but if you haven't even attempted to look like a woman & you still have male parts ,then you shouldn't be using women's bathrooms. There should be respect 2 ways.

But men are walking into women's spaces as bold as anything , they're not even attempting to look 'female'. In America it looks like both men & women are walking in each others lockerooms like it's the norm, a man was
caught shaving in a women's space & a woman was
caught filming men in a men's lockeroom.

So it's all a joke & a big fat mess, privacy is important and nowadays it seems more & more people are overstepping boundaries and making women & children feel uncomfortable for the sake of it .

I know this poll is mainly about public bathrooms,but I'm glad I don't use gyms anymore.

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Anyone who doesn’t have a vagina can go and sit down as far as the poll is concerned."

Anyone who doesn’t have a vagina should not be making the poll...

[Niamh.]

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?

In 2024 men are still biologically physically stronger than women and more of a risk to women and children especially in places where they are more vulnerable like bathrooms and changing rooms where they might be in a state of undress. It's pretty relevant to the point Goldheart was making

[Redway]

"Anyone who doesn’t have a vagina can go and sit down as far as the poll is concerned."

Anyone who doesn’t have a vagina should not be making the poll...

Sit down, guy.

[Zizu]

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?


WT actual F


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[Redway]

Whatever Zizu’s saying (I have him on ignore so I can’t see), he’s a man. So y’know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

WT actual F


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its bizarre

[Zizu]

its bizarre


It is given the latest available statistics !

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240613/06de260458432f6c2e26b94df1708217.jpg

The change in just 3 years SHOULD be negligible.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240613/875277435f4a06814f0b313020551dde.jpg


The data showed few differences between the two nations with respect to sexual orientation. England and Wales had very similar proportions of people who identified as:

So straight or heterosexual (89.4% of the population aged 16 years and above in both England and Wales)

Then gay or lesbian (1.5% in both England and Wales)

Leaving bisexual (1.3% in England, 1.2% in Wales)


Plus any other sexual orientation (0.3% in both England and Wales)


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[GoldHeart]

In 2024 men are still biologically physically stronger than women and more of a risk to women and children especially in places where they are more vulnerable like bathrooms and changing rooms where they might be in a state of undress. It's pretty relevant to the point Goldheart was making

Thanks Niamh , I'm glad somebody understands what I meant.

[UserSince2005]

I'm feeling 100% woman today so yes I will use which ever toilet I want and yes I will leave the seat up.

[Redway]

Many people won’t want to vote option-2 because it sounds harsh but that’s exactly how it is and the reasoning behind it.

[Niamh.]

Many people won’t want to vote option-2 because it sounds harsh but that’s exactly how it is and the reasoning behind it.

You might get more people voting in your polls if you just had the answers as options and let people explain their own reasoning behind their answer. We do all have our own thoughts and minds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You might get more people voting in your polls if you just had the answers as options and let people explain their own reasoning behind their answer. We do all have our own thoughts and minds.

amen

noone wants curated questions to suit one members opinion/agenda

its the whole point of a poll

[bots]

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?

is women and children not the norm. Or should everything be described in terms of exceptions?

Women do still give birth to children

[The Slim Reaper]

amen

noone wants curated questions to suit one members opinion/agenda

its the whole point of a poll

Maybe he was interested in finding out the specifics on a set criteria that he'd chosen? It's not as though there aren't other threads about trans people where people can and have been able to give full opinions, or at least post tweets by libs of tik tok spuriously editing vids at least :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe he was interested in finding out the specifics on a set criteria that he'd chosen? It's not as though there aren't other threads about trans people where people can and have been able to give full opinions, or at least post tweets by libs of tik tok spuriously editing vids at least :laugh:

yeah

no that isnt the case

but thanks for your input

[The Slim Reaper]

yeah

no that isnt the case

but thanks for your input

You're welcome. It is absolutely 100% the case. though. Name one person on this forum who hasn't been given the opportunity to talk about trans people (or post LoTT tweets at least) in numerous other threads?

[Maru]

No, I don't need that extra concern. I'm not in the business of doling out medical exams for every person who enters the bathroom and interrogating them. Why put either person in that position? Should I try to "police" that space. We know what is realistic. So letting any person of the opposite sex into that space, we have to allow everyone. I wouldn't know the difference between who has transitioned and who hasn't anyway. It's an extreme expectation to put on the average person, imo.

Anyway, none of that has anything to do with going to the bathroom. I'm not going to the bathroom to "celebrate" my status as a woman. I just go to the bathroom to use the bathroom... I don't need to worry about whether or not someone is there for other reasons, whether that is a serious thing, to show off, or someone with severe NPD looking to make others uncomfortable and domineering. On a personal level, I have enough problems with medical just going to the bathroom period than to have to worry about that extra concern. It would probably mean I would use public bathrooms far less. And I can only imagine how a woman who has dealt with sexual assault in her past who is impacted medically (PFD, for example) might feel if they're struggling to do something routine in the presence of those extra variables.

And it is different for biological women, because we don't have the physical capabilities of men so we definitely have to be more concerned when in secluded areas in public. It's just a fact of life. I appreciate transitioned people can use the bathroom for the same reasons as myself and for me it's not how they choose to identify that makes it an issue. It's more that those spaces are segregated biologically for a good reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

none can "transition" sex

that is the whole basis of this dangerous lie

all people can do is pretend to (which in normal life is grand, knock yourself out)

that does not help actual women and small girls in safe spaces..

[Redway]

You're welcome. It is absolutely 100% the case. though. Name one person on this forum who hasn't been given the opportunity to talk about trans people (or post LoTT tweets at least) in numerous other threads?

Righty-o.

[Redway]

none can "transition" sex

that is the whole basis of this dangerous lie

all people can do is pretend to (which in normal life is grand, knock yourself out)

that does not help actual women and small girls in safe spaces..

And since when did you care about women’s protection in public spaces?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And since when did you care about women’s protection in public spaces?

I have 2 daughters

how may do you have?

[Crimson Dynamo]

for example

A transgender sex offender is being housed in a women's prison following a
conviction for armed robbery.

The man is also standing trial while incarcerated on additional charges of
impersonating a police officer and possessing child pornography.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1801346738902474752/WzErVjzI?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1801357461481263270

[Redway]

for example

A transgender sex offender is being housed in a women's prison following a
conviction for armed robbery.

The man is also standing trial while incarcerated on additional charges of
impersonating a police officer and possessing child pornography.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1801346738902474752/WzErVjzI?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1801357461481263270

Why do you ever only have extreme examples to boot?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do you ever only have extreme examples to boot?

any dangerous man in a a woman's safe space is extreme

there are NO degrees

[Redway]

any dangerous man in a a woman's safe space is extreme

there are NO degrees

What about safe trans-women in women’s spaces?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about safe trans-women in women’s spaces?

well you work out a system to ensure that and we can talk

[Mystic Mock]

The Problem is predators are taking advantage of this whole thing, but if you haven't even attempted to look like a woman & you still have male parts ,then you shouldn't be using women's bathrooms. There should be respect 2 ways.

But men are walking into women's spaces as bold as anything , they're not even attempting to look 'female'. In America it looks like both men & women are walking in each others lockerooms like it's the norm, a man was
caught shaving in a women's space & a woman was
caught filming men in a men's lockeroom.

So it's all a joke & a big fat mess, privacy is important and nowadays it seems more & more people are overstepping boundaries and making women & children feel uncomfortable for the sake of it .

I know this poll is mainly about public bathrooms,but I'm glad I don't use gyms anymore.

Did she get arrested for it?

[Mystic Mock]

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?

Tbf, why can't people say women and children?:laugh:

[Zizu]

What about safe trans-women in women’s spaces?


We are worrying about 0.3% here at best/worst !


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[Mystic Mock]

Maybe he was interested in finding out the specifics on a set criteria that he'd chosen? It's not as though there aren't other threads about trans people where people can and have been able to give full opinions, or at least post tweets by libs of tik tok spuriously editing vids at least :laugh:

So you've also noticed Libs Of Tik Tok using editing techniques to make certain conversations/scenarios come across as more sinister than they actually were.

[Redway]

Tbf, why can't people say women and children?:laugh:

I don’t know. I just feel like in many ways it infantilises grown-arse women. Women have more pelvic strength than men in any case (otherwise men would be able to give birth) so it’s not a fact that women are generally weaker than men in every physical domain. Not to deny that dangerous men can pose obvious dangers to women but “women and children” in many ways harks back to a sexist time.

[Niamh.]

I don’t know. I just feel like in many ways it infantilises grown-arse women. Women have more pelvic strength than men in any case (otherwise men would be able to give birth) so it’s not a fact that women are generally weaker than men in every physical domain. Not to deny that dangerous men can pose obvious dangers to women but “women and children” in many ways harks back to a sexist time.I'm pretty sure men would not be able to give birth regardless of pelvic strength [emoji23]

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t know. I just feel like in many ways it infantilises grown-arse women. Women have more pelvic strength than men in any case (otherwise men would be able to give birth) so it’s not a fact that women are generally weaker than men in every physical domain. Not to deny that dangerous men can pose obvious dangers to women but “women and children” in many ways harks back to a sexist time.

It's kind of hard for me to explain, but I think men and women always think that they have to protect the opposite sex.

Like when a woman cries and is in a more vulnerable place (mentally) normally it'll be a guy that will comfort her, and vice versa, if a guy is crying then it'll normally be the woman that approaches the guy to see if he is okay.

Because sub-consciously I do think that men and women see the opposite sex in different ways as the more vulnerable half, and therefore needs to be protected, obviously you can interpret these feelings as sexist, but Human nature in some ways can be interpreted that way I suppose, and it isn't always a good thing imo to make Human Beings operate in a way that isn't natural to us as a species.

I hope that I'm:
1. Making sense.

And 2. Not sounding like a complete nutjob.:joker:

And imo children are definitely the most vulnerable people in our species, so they definitely need to be protected from anything potentially dangerous.

[Redway]

I'm pretty sure men would not be able to give birth regardless of pelvic strength [emoji23]

I mean. Yes. But either way, giving birth takes remarkable strength and we tend to overlook that in many of our conversations about gender and physical strength.

[Redway]

It's kind of hard for me to explain, but I think men and women always think that they have to protect the opposite sex.

Like when a woman cries and is in a more vulnerable place (mentally) normally it'll be a guy that will comfort her, and vice versa, if a guy is crying then it'll normally be the woman that approaches the guy to see if he is okay.

Because sub-consciously I do think that men and women see the opposite sex in different ways as the more vulnerable half, and therefore needs to be protected, obviously you can interpret these feelings as sexist, but Human nature in some ways can be interpreted that way I suppose, and it isn't always a good thing imo to make Human Beings operate in a way that isn't natural to us as a species.

I hope that I'm:
1. Making sense.

And 2. Not sounding like a complete nutjob.:joker:

And imo children are definitely the most vulnerable people in our species, so they definitely need to be protected from anything potentially dangerous.

No, I get where you’re coming from, Mock. You don’t sound anything like nuts.

[GoldHeart]

Did she get arrested for it?

Doubt it ,but the guy who filmed it must have reported her to planet fitness ,but it seems all sorts of crazy stuff is happening there . So who knows if they even listen to complaints.

It was shared online as that's what people do now to show evidence & proof I guess as a warning to people , I think Joey Swoll reacted to . Check him out he's really good . He calls out disgusting bad behaviour that usually happens in gyms , changing rooms etc etc .

[Alf]

Women should stop being bigots and just allow men who believe they are, and want to be women to use the ladies facilities.

This is 2024, get with the times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean. Yes. But either way, giving birth takes remarkable strength and we tend to overlook that in many of our conversations about gender and physical strength.

:joker:

what on earth

[Niamh.]

I mean. Yes. But either way, giving birth takes remarkable strength and we tend to overlook that in many of our conversations about gender and physical strength.Yes but it's not going to help you much if you're being attacked is it? I'm not saying men are better or superior to women but we are different. I can't believe I'm having to spell this out, it's a fact everyone knew 5 minutes ago, it is the whole reason for sex segregated spaces in the first place

[Maru]

We are worrying about 0.3% here at best/worst !


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I'm not worried about the trans population. I'm worried about the criminal one, which is higher. We're talking about how to accommodate everyone, which is a conversation to have, but we can't ignore that the anti-social population still exists and they're emboldened by the doing away of basic social boundaries. Boundaries are very much needed, as hurtful as that is to hear for some, they're needed.

[Redway]

:joker:

what on earth

Shut up, you.

[Mystic Mock]

No, I get where you’re coming from, Mock. You don’t sound anything like nuts.

Thanks, that's good to know.

Because I sometimes wonder if my views on certain topics are a bit weird or illogical, but I'm glad that you don't think so, Redway.:blush:

[Mystic Mock]

Doubt it ,but the guy who filmed it must have reported her to planet fitness ,but it seems all sorts of crazy stuff is happening there . So who knows if they even listen to complaints.

It was shared online as that's what people do now to show evidence & proof I guess as a warning to people , I think Joey Swoll reacted to . Check him out he's really good . He calls out disgusting bad behaviour that usually happens in gyms , changing rooms etc etc .

I'll checkout Joey Swoll's video out later, thanks for the recommendation.:)

I honestly don't get how people get so degenerate that they're stalking people in the bathroom.

[user104658]

I don’t know. I just feel like in many ways it infantilises grown-arse women. Women have more pelvic strength than men in any case (otherwise men would be able to give birth) so it’s not a fact that women are generally weaker than men in every physical domain. Not to deny that dangerous men can pose obvious dangers to women but “women and children” in many ways harks back to a sexist time.

Redway I don't mean to be grim here but the strength difference between men and women can't and should not be overlooked.

The vast majority of physically-able adult men if going all out, can quite easily beat a woman or child to death with their bare hands. It can, and does, happen.

It is almost impossible for the average woman to beat an adult man to death (or even severe injury) with their bare hands. They'd have to at the very least be combat trained, and against a below average strength man.

Can a woman severely beat a man, yes, but it will essentially always have involved a blunt instrument, not fists.

There is no comparison and anyone suggesting g that the average adult male is not a clear physical threat to the average adult female is sadly completely wrong.

[Niamh.]

Redway I don't mean to be grim here but the strength difference between men and women can't and should not be overlooked.

The vast majority of physically-able adult men if going all out, can quite easily beat a woman or child to death with their bare hands. It can, and does, happen.

It is almost impossible for the average woman to beat an adult man to death (or even severe injury) with their bare hands. They'd have to at the very least be combat trained, and against a below average strength man.

Can a woman severely beat a man, yes, but it will essentially always have involved a blunt instrument, not fists.

There is no comparison and anyone suggesting g that the average adult male is not a clear physical threat to the average adult female is sadly completely wrong.

Exactly and it's not insulting to state that as a fact. We can't protect people who need protecting in certain circumstances if we're not honest. Saying men (generally speaking) are physically stronger than women is not a "put down" it's just the way it is, we're just built differently to accommodate procreation

[Cherie]

If its a chick with a dick... NO
If its a chick who no longer has a dick... YES

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No penis allowed in ladies toilets.

.

In 2024, why are we still saying “women and children”?


what do you suggest we call women and children Redway?

[Crimson Dynamo]

.




What do you suggest we call women and children redway?

we're all waiting to find out :laugh:

[Redway]

.




what do you suggest we call women and children Redway?

All I’m saying is we need to do less of this lumping women and children together business.

[Maru]

All I’m saying is we need to do less of this lumping women and children together business.

I'm fine with being lumped. Lump me with my little bisquit, anytime.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All I’m saying is we need to do less of this lumping women and children together business.

Yeah Mums and their children should never be considered together

:umm2:

[Niamh.]

All I’m saying is we need to do less of this lumping women and children together business.Every woman who's commented, your target audience, feel like "women and children" is a necessary grouping. Listen and learn Redway

[Redway]

Yeah Mums and their children should never be considered together

:umm2:

That’s not what I said.

[Niamh.]

That’s not what I said.You keep ignoring the women commenting though.

[Cherie]

All I’m saying is we need to do less of this lumping women and children together business.

who would you lump the children with Redway, children need an adult, and usually that adult is an adult female, some males in the main **** off and leave the women and children to it, hence the single mother tag

[Mitchell]

Somewhere between 3 and 4

[Niamh.]

Somewhere between 3 and 4

Are you a woman?

[Mystic Mock]

Redway I don't mean to be grim here but the strength difference between men and women can't and should not be overlooked.

The vast majority of physically-able adult men if going all out, can quite easily beat a woman or child to death with their bare hands. It can, and does, happen.

It is almost impossible for the average woman to beat an adult man to death (or even severe injury) with their bare hands. They'd have to at the very least be combat trained, and against a below average strength man.

Can a woman severely beat a man, yes, but it will essentially always have involved a blunt instrument, not fists.

There is no comparison and anyone suggesting g that the average adult male is not a clear physical threat to the average adult female is sadly completely wrong.

I'm unintentionally being called out in the BIB.:bawling::laugh:

[Swan]

This is why men need women....They're the bosses in this vid. Redway, men need women, way more than women need men, and most men understand that!

Strong women shape strong men!

B_9FyTiq3SA

[Swan]

Btw, Cheesy as hell :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

This is why men need women....They're the bosses in this vid. Redway, men need women, way more than women need men, and most men understand that!

Strong women shape strong men!

B_9FyTiq3SA

I'm going to come out with a boring answer, and say that I think that it depends on the individual man or woman.

I'm going to use two examples.

1. Anita Sarkeesian - She married herself last year, so she clearly isn't in a strong mind without a man imo.

2. Synthetic Man (YouTuber) - Someone needs to seriously find this weirdo a girlfriend, he is probably more demented than Anita.

Just look at any of these three videos if you don't believe me.

fYZerRToD88

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But obviously on the flip side, Hillary Clinton I think seems to be just a strong willed woman with or without Bill Clinton.

And Tyson Fury for the men just seems like he'd be the same with or without women being in his Boxing career.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Btw, Cheesy as hell :joker:

Too true.:joker:

[AnnieK]

who would you lump the children with Redway, children need an adult, and usually that adult is an adult female, some males in the main **** off and leave the women and children to it, hence the single mother tag

Agreed.

[Redway]

Somewhere between 3 and 4

(Cue the Family Guy reference): “oh, my God; you’re a woman? (Or are you a horse?)”

[Mitchell]

(Cue the Family Guy reference): “oh, my God; you’re a woman? (Or are you a horse?)”

Apologies. I only read the periodic text-boldening.

[Redway]

https://youtu.be/izJbgzP1tRA?si=48c3Guy1CtkmlM8H