The Tory leadership contest 2024 -

[bots]

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[Mystic Mock]

I do wonder who the next scapegoat in the Tory party will be.

[MTVN]

Seems quite likely it'll be a fairly long leadership contest which I doubt Sunak is pleased about

Badenoch, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Patel and Tugendhat are the names that keep coming up. Not a very inspiring choice tbh but Kemi is my preferred candidate

[bots]

Apparently after the cull, there are more mp's now in the centre of the party, so that will be the first war

If Patel wins, i can see her engineering a return for Boris, which they should avoid at all costs

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

A long space between electing a new leader can create problems too.

In Labour for instance, when James Callaghan lost to Margaret Thatcher in May 1979.
He stayed in place for 18 months until November 1980.

Hoping to likely make the best choice of new leader.

Result, they elected Michael Foot.
Which brought about the splits on the European union, leading to the creation from former Labour MPs of the Social Democratic Party, SDP.

I hope the Conservatives will reflect on political history.
Because like then , they need to see off the really awful Reform Party set up.
The very thought of narcissist Farage becoming the real opposition leader or worse still ever gaining power should be really worrying as much as it could be dangerous.

The Conservatives are the oldest political Party, they have been a formidable winning machine in elections.
I'm Labour but I respect the Conservatives as political foes.
However I don't want either to see them destroyed, and certainly not for an extreme divisive outfit such as the UKIP/Brexit and now in its 3rd stage Reform all still under the same narcissistic divisive Farage.

I'm not sure Badenoch would be the right choice but it's not for me to really comment.
I liked Tom Tugendhat before.
If I was a Conservative I'd likely be supporting someone more like him.

However I really hope they make a good choice because like with Labour in the 80s
Who had to get someone in place to see off the split voting between Labour and the Liberal/SDP Alliance
Here and now the Conservatives need to ensure they move to see off Reform.
Not letting Farage etc; get any stronger hold.
I hope the Conservative Party will succeed in that.

[bots]

Hague's advice to potential leaders that are thinking of standing is ...... don't do it :laugh:

[Livia]

Hague's advice to potential leaders that are thinking of standing is ...... don't do it :laugh:

LOL... Good advice. I mean, would you want the job? I know I wouldn't.

That said, if I had a vote - and I don't - I would vote for Kemi.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They just need an actual Conservative who does not give a sh1t about peoples opinions

If that makes sense

[Zizu]

Only Boris can save the Tories who are hated beyond belief yet Boris still has millions of admirers


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[Livia]

Only Boris can save the Tories who are hated beyond belief yet Boris still has millions of admirers


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How could he ever trust them again? You expect the opposition to come out gunning for you, but your own party? Rishi I was a big part in the orchestration of Johnson's downfall... Didn't work out too well for him, did it.

[bots]

Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election

[Livia]

Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election

Is he, though? The noisy minority might indicate that but I'm not so sure.

[bots]

Is he, though? The noisy minority might indicate that but I'm not so sure.

oh, i'm sure. It may not be Thatcher level of hate, but it's getting there.

It really depends how labour do. If they manage to get the feel good factor back (unlikely) and they get by without any major corruption issues or infighting (unlikely) then it wont matter who the tory leader is.

Politics is weird these days, so i would never say anything with certainty, but I think it would take a long time for Boris to be acceptable again

[Zizu]

Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election


We shall see soon enough

No way millions of people suddenly turn on him .. he wasn’t actually partying during covid unlike those unsavoury Sky presenters who held huge parties and got suspended for 6 months ( Kay Burley actually went on a all expenses paid world trip… as a punishment !


Boris himself could be even more popular given he nearly died from Covid and had the whole country checking his progress in hospital on a daily basis


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[Livia]

oh, i'm sure. It may not be Thatcher level of hate, but it's getting there.

It really depends how labour do. If they manage to get the feel good factor back (unlikely) and they get by without any major corruption issues or infighting (unlikely) then it wont matter who the tory leader is.

Politics is weird these days, so i would never say anything with certainty, but I think it would take a long time for Boris to be acceptable again

I think his plan is to make a return. Do you think a link-up with Reform might be in the cards in the future? It depends on how Reform do... But can you see that happening?

[Zizu]

How could he ever trust them again? You expect the opposition to come out gunning for you, but your own party? Rishi I was a big part in the orchestration of Johnson's downfall... Didn't work out too well for him, did it.


Rishi and the other lily livered lemmings just jumped ship because the media and labour went on a witch hunt .. Rishi renounced his leader and supposed friend .. promised the earth and steered the country into an abyss


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[bots]

I think his plan is to make a return. Do you think a link-up with Reform might be in the cards in the future? It depends on how Reform do... But can you see that happening?

if it were me, i would concentrate on the lib dems and their 70+ seats. Labour will be out to get reform, let them fight that battle. Also, the tories need to adopt the strategy that Cameron took with labour. They share the same political spectrum, so they should be saying, what you are doing is great, but you are not going far enough. Sew doubt in them with the voters by being largely cordial

[Livia]

Reform got more votes than the LibDems but only ended up with 5 MPs, does anyone think Labour will be at all interested in looking at proportional representation? Or plod on with first past the post?

[bots]

Reform got more votes than the LibDems but only ended up with 5 MPs, does anyone think Labour will be at all interested in looking at proportional representation? Or plod on with first past the post?

Starmer won't want to change from the current system. Why would he sacrifice 200 of his mp's at the next election. The labour membership may want PR, but this is starmers party now, these are all starmer mp's

[Livia]

Sadly, I think you're right. Shame. I must ask joeysteele his thoughts on this.

[smudgie]

Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
Time to find someone new altogether with a better out look to boot.

[Zizu]

Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
.


You could say exactly the same about Labour


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[arista]

Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
Time to find someone new altogether with a better out look to boot.


What about Tom Tugendhat MP?

[bots]

What about Tom Tugendhat MP?

he is a knob

[arista]

he is a knob


OK


Tom or Suella?

[bots]

none of the names suggested, they have all proven themselves to be crap

[arista]

none of the names suggested, they have all proven themselves to be crap


They need New Names in this mix
which may start next week.........

[Crimson Dynamo]

The party is finished in its current guise

[arista]

The party is finished in its current guise


Depends what a New Leader does

[bots]

the party isn't finished, they are the official opposition for the next 5 years. It's up to them to understand where they went wrong

[Crimson Dynamo]

the party isn't finished, they are the official opposition for the next 5 years. It's up to them to understand where they went wrong

People have been telling them for the last year exactly what they did wrong -if any of them don't know by now they should f off and go work in KFC

absolute shower of twats

[bots]

People have been telling them for the last year exactly what they did wrong -if any of them don't know by now they should f off and go work in KFC

absolute shower of twats

they don't yet seem to understand that it was their own behaviour that caused their downfall. They didn't give a crap about voters until Rishi called the election, and then they went holy **** :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

they don't yet seem to understand that it was their own behaviour that caused their downfall. They didn't give a crap about voters until Rishi called the election, and then they went holy **** :laugh:

I bet people like Mordant was shocked when she lost her seat:laugh:

[bots]

I bet people like Mordant was shocked when she lost her seat:laugh:

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event :laugh:

Oh yeah :joker:

[joeysteele]

Sadly, I think you're right. Shame. I must ask joeysteele his thoughts on this.

Hello Livia.

Just seen this so am happy to say how I see things.

The Labour Party membership has now twice, along with the MPs and Unions at Labour conferences voted to adopt PR .
The last time overwhelmingly so.

It's estimated 80+% of members support PR.
The Unions overwhelmingly do.
Plus more than half the last number of MPs too.

Infuriatingly Starmer stated, PR was not a policy for the manifesto in this election just passed.
However the Labour movement wants it so will still keep on for it.
I will and despite this election win I've seen no change from the membership as to still wanting it.

In 1997 Labour won big then it was gone after 2 more elections.
That will definitely happen again after the next election or one after that.
I think Starmer knows that too.

The votes were poor in this election.
Only 34% to Labour.
A Conservative revival would soon get their votes rising.
So while powerful this government can be, it hasn't had a massive vote endorsement.

Now, I'll never vote Reform or want Reform to do well.
However I believe in fairness and justice.
No electoral system that sees the Parties winning power on a paltry number of votes is right in my view.

Reform got 14% and 5 seats.
LibDems got 12% and 72 seats.
The Greens, they got less than 7% but only one seat less than Reform on 4.

No wonder over a third of voters don't even vote.

I would hope and would fight for PR, it has to come from in the present, Conservative or Labour Parties.
Because if one of them is weak the other is likely to be strong and this ridiculous electoral system will go on.

If Labour are doing okay but not moving much forward in 3 to 4 years
I can see PR being in the next manifesto.
Because that would I believe, ensure Labour wins easily again.
Since even Reform would be supporting that.
Along with every other Party and Independents elected to this parliament.
Plus it's already been passed and called for at 2 Labour conferences.

PR in my view would be fairer.
Seats for votes, not seats as gifts.
Real change to votes being made to really count and decide more representative government..

If that meant Reform broke through then so be it.
That's what's called democracy.
PR would ensure that no single Party could likely win a big majority for a minority of votes
So the government would be of at least 2 Parties to govern with real authority.

If too, however, Starmer and Labour were successful this time in government.
Then the way they could likely best protect their successes would be to have PR in place.
So no way could the Conservatives with a majority alone tear up any successes.

The argument for me however is one of fairness and justice.
I came to this view in 2005 aged 13.
When I saw Labour get 35.2% of the votes, the Conservatives getting 32.3%, yet Labour in with a 68 overall majority.
No way right.
A voting system that can create that outcome has to be unfair.

I rarely agree with Nigel Farage however he calls this fair votes when he talks of PR.
He's right on that.

Starmer can ride high now, as Blair did and even Thatcher did.
However it will crash again because of this electoral system which may well give strong government but not the right and fair government.

That's why I support PR.
I also believe it's closer than ever before now.
Since it has been passed at 2 Labour conferences.

[joeysteele]

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event :laugh:

She was MP for Portsmouth North bots not Plymouth.

Johnny Mercer was Plymouth, he lost too however.

[bots]

She was MP for Portsmouth North bots not Plymouth.

Johnny Mercer was Plymouth, he lost too however.

Portsmouth is also a big naval base

[Crimson Dynamo]

Portsmouth is also a big naval base

Portsmouth suffered 67 major bombing raids between 1940 and 1944 due to that fact!

[joeysteele]

Portsmouth is also a big naval base


I know that.:joker:

One of my Brothers lives there.
I got to spend a days canvassing in this election there.

[Livia]

Hello Livia.

Just seen this so am happy to say how I see things.

The Labour Party membership has now twice, along with the MPs and Unions at Labour conferences voted to adopt PR .
The last time overwhelmingly so.

It's estimated 80+% of members support PR.
The Unions overwhelmingly do.
Plus more than half the last number of MPs too.

Infuriatingly Starmer stated, PR was not a policy for the manifesto in this election just passed.
However the Labour movement wants it so will still keep on for it.
I will and despite this election win I've seen no change from the membership as to still wanting it.

In 1997 Labour won big then it was gone after 2 more elections.
That will definitely happen again after the next election or one after that.
I think Starmer knows that too.

The votes were poor in this election.
Only 34% to Labour.
A Conservative revival would soon get their votes rising.
So while powerful this government can be, it hasn't had a massive vote endorsement.

Now, I'll never vote Reform or want Reform to do well.
However I believe in fairness and justice.
No electoral system that sees the Parties winning power on a paltry number of votes is right in my view.

Reform got 14% and 5 seats.
LibDems got 12% and 72 seats.
The Greens, they got less than 7% but only one seat less than Reform on 4.

No wonder over a third of voters don't even vote.

I would hope and would fight for PR, it has to come from in the present, Conservative or Labour Parties.
Because if one of them is weak the other is likely to be strong and this ridiculous electoral system will go on.

If Labour are doing okay but not moving much forward in 3 to 4 years
I can see PR being in the next manifesto.
Because that would I believe, ensure Labour wins easily again.
Since even Reform would be supporting that.
Along with every other Party and Independents elected to this parliament.
Plus it's already been passed and called for at 2 Labour conferences.

PR in my view would be fairer.
Seats for votes, not seats as gifts.
Real change to votes being made to really count and decide more representative government..

If that meant Reform broke through then so be it.
That's what's called democracy.
PR would ensure that no single Party could likely win a big majority for a minority of votes
So the government would be of at least 2 Parties to govern with real authority.

If too, however, Starmer and Labour were successful this time in government.
Then the way they could likely best protect their successes would be to have PR in place.
So no way could the Conservatives with a majority alone tear up any successes.

The argument for me however is one of fairness and justice.
I came to this view in 2005 aged 13.
When I saw Labour get 35.2% of the votes, the Conservatives getting 32.3%, yet Labour in with a 68 overall majority.
No way right.
A voting system that can create that outcome has to be unfair.

I rarely agree with Nigel Farage however he calls this fair votes when he talks of PR.
He's right on that.

Starmer can ride high now, as Blair did and even Thatcher did.
However it will crash again because of this electoral system which may well give strong government but not the right and fair government.

That's why I support PR.
I also believe it's closer than ever before now.
Since it has been passed at 2 Labour conferences.

Thank you joey, a very interesting read.

[Livia]

Penny Mordaunt was an officer in the Royal Naval Reserve and is how an honorary commander.

[joeysteele]

Penny Mordaunt was also shaping up to be a good Defence secretary.
Then Boris Johnson sacked her when he became leader.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This chap may emerge over the coming weeks

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/GettyImages-1645173275.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

A long space between electing a new leader can create problems too.

In Labour for instance, when James Callaghan lost to Margaret Thatcher in May 1979.
He stayed in place for 18 months until November 1980.

Hoping to likely make the best choice of new leader.

Result, they elected Michael Foot.
Which brought about the splits on the European union, leading to the creation from former Labour MPs of the Social Democratic Party, SDP.

I hope the Conservatives will reflect on political history.
Because like then , they need to see off the really awful Reform Party set up.
The very thought of narcissist Farage becoming the real opposition leader or worse still ever gaining power should be really worrying as much as it could be dangerous.

The Conservatives are the oldest political Party, they have been a formidable winning machine in elections.
I'm Labour but I respect the Conservatives as political foes.
However I don't want either to see them destroyed, and certainly not for an extreme divisive outfit such as the UKIP/Brexit and now in its 3rd stage Reform all still under the same narcissistic divisive Farage.

I'm not sure Badenoch would be the right choice but it's not for me to really comment.
I liked Tom Tugendhat before.
If I was a Conservative I'd likely be supporting someone more like him.

However I really hope they make a good choice because like with Labour in the 80s
Who had to get someone in place to see off the split voting between Labour and the Liberal/SDP Alliance
Here and now the Conservatives need to ensure they move to see off Reform.
Not letting Farage etc; get any stronger hold.
I hope the Conservative Party will succeed in that.

I agree with the BIB.

Extreme Political viewpoints that Reform want to spread should be kept exclusively to Social Media.

[The Slim Reaper]

Tory voters are moving to Farage, not the other way around.

That's the issue the tories face. Kind and compassionate conservatism is a dead endeavour (not that it ever really existed), and the measured Tories of the past have gone the way of the dodo, banished from the party in the 2019 purge.

The same way that Starmers purge of labour, has also removed the consistence of the party.

[Mystic Mock]

Rishi and the other lily livered lemmings just jumped ship because the media and labour went on a witch hunt .. Rishi renounced his leader and supposed friend .. promised the earth and steered the country into an abyss


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Tbf to Rishi and Boris, it's largely Cameron and May's fault why we're in the mess that we're in now, especially Cameron who was completely incompetent at his job.

[The Slim Reaper]

Tbf to Rishi and Boris, it's largely Cameron and May's fault why we're in the mess that we're in now, especially Cameron who was completely incompetent at his job.

He was cruel and cowardly, not incompetent. His 2010 austerity policies, have been directly linked to the deaths of over 300k sick and disabled people.

[Mystic Mock]

He was cruel and cowardly, not incompetent. His 2010 austerity policies, have been directly linked to the deaths of over 300k sick and disabled people.

Oh I agree that he was cruel too.

[bots]

James Cleverly has thrown his hat in the ring

[GiRTh]

Has Suella Braverman joined reform yet?

[bots]

Has Suella Braverman joined reform yet?

not yet, she wants to make it at a point of maximum impact, so it could be a few years :laugh:

[GiRTh]

not yet, she wants to make it at a point of maximum impact, so it could be a few years :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[After announcing he will run to be leader
of the Conservative Party,
Tom Tugendhat MP has written in The Telegraph
that he is willing to leave the
European Convention on Human Rights.]


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[arista]

Was debated on Newsnight
last night.


They showed clips of the last debate
which had Liz Truss in it.

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0021dxd/newsnight-who-will-lead-the-tories

Last Night Newsnight
Started with the Conservative Leadership Debate.

[Maru]

Tory Who?...

[Ammi]

Tory Who?...

…yeah, great times…:love:…

[arista]

Robert Jenrick MP
confirmed as the 3rd
to try to be the new leader.

[arista]

4 so far are running to be leader

James Cleverly MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
Mel Stride MP

Any others have until Monday.

[arista]

5 Now

Priti Patel now running to be the Leader.

[GiRTh]

5 Now

Priti Patel now running to be the Leader.WHo's gonna vote for her?

[bots]

Tory membership is down to less than 100,000. People have left the party in droves :laugh:

The tory party may be the official opposition, but their ability to fund raise has dropped off a cliff. They can't get any more money from Russia, so they are basically ****ed

[Zizu]

5 Now

Priti Patel now running to be the Leader.


Her husband and parents … maybe


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[Zizu]

4 so far are running to be leader

James Cleverly MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
Mel Stride MP

Any others have until Monday.


Cleverly and Jenrick are idiots
The other two hardly inspire …
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[Crimson Dynamo]

Priti Patel has entered the race

[bots]

I'm not sure that Priti is popular among the current tory mp's but if she gets through to the head to head with the membership, she will probably win

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2a0d511b-7e83-4c4b-905d-9ba7b366cc0e.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fine looking woman

[Cherie]

Fine looking woman

sit down

[GiRTh]

A dire bunch.

[Zizu]

Fine looking woman


She’s smug and about 4’ tall


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[arista]

[Kemi Badenoch 'to launch her Tory leadership bid Tomorrow'
to swell list of candidates to six]

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[GiRTh]

Not culture wars Kemi. A really dire bunch

[bots]

whoever is leader now, will likely not be the leader at the next election. Look how many leaders they got through while they were in government and winning :laugh:

[arista]

2:30PM Monday 29th

Is the last time for the 5 or 6

[Cherie]

Suella has withdrawn

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING: Kemi Badenoch has entered the Conservative leadership race to replace Rishi
Sunak with a pledge to tell voters the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/06/19/TELEMMGLPICT000354592194_17188223050140_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqkOU4-D3H7NXEkiSxYpGgktOZ3rm0-6slEPMpFvzSssw.jpeg?imwidth=680

[arista]

Kemi Badenoch MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
James Cleverly MP
Mel Stride MP
Priti Patel MP


Are now the Official 6 running to be leader
Suella only got 10 MP's backing her.

This goes onto November.

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

[user104658]

BREAKING: Kemi Badenoch has entered the Conservative leadership race to replace Rishi
Sunak with a pledge to tell voters the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/06/19/TELEMMGLPICT000354592194_17188223050140_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqkOU4-D3H7NXEkiSxYpGgktOZ3rm0-6slEPMpFvzSssw.jpeg?imwidth=680

https://media.tenor.com/5IuxyMGeIKYAAAAd/smile-laughing.gif

[Zizu]

BREAKING: Kemi Badenoch has entered the Conservative leadership race to replace Rishi
Sunak with a pledge to tell voters the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/06/19/TELEMMGLPICT000354592194_17188223050140_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqkOU4-D3H7NXEkiSxYpGgktOZ3rm0-6slEPMpFvzSssw.jpeg?imwidth=680


Mmmm

Half Baden Powell half Enoch Powell .


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[Zizu]

Kemi Badenoch v the Post Office is a great political soap opera. Like much good TV, however, it distracts us from reality. The business secretary fired Henry Staunton, the former chair of the Post Office, in January. A month later, Staunton told the Sunday Times that Sarah Munby, a senior civil servant, instructed him to slow compensation payments to victims of the Horizon scandal. Badenoch then launched an extraordinary character assassination from the dispatch box in the House of Commons, claiming Staunton had been fired after accusations of bullying (she originally told the public he had left by “mutual consent”). It’s not clear which story is true, but the prime minister notably refused to repeat Badenoch’s claims.


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GT-2GxsXsAATwuP?format=jpg&name=small


Esther McVey
helping Jenrick.

[joeysteele]

The problem with all of these.
Is they've all been part of the problems and scandals of the Cons in government.

How many PMs have they switched from and supported different policies totally of.
Coming out to defend PMs on policy and even wrongdoings.

The Cons need to look further afield.
I used to like Tom Tugendhat, I kind of still do but he's going down the ugly rhetoric of leaving the ECHR.
Which is just sounding like Sunak and others again.

Reform must be celebrating at the prospect of one of these taking over.
I am no lover of the Reform Party or Nigel Farage.
In fact I disagree with all they are.

However you know where you REALLY are with those in Reform because they stick to their principles.
Whichever one of these lot are elected as leader of the Cons, Farage and his party can discredit said leader at every turn.

All of them represent the errors of the past and nothing at all as to real change for the future.

[Zizu]

The problem with all of these.
Is they've all been part of the problems and scandals of the Cons in government.

How many PMs have they switched from and supported different policies totally of.
Coming out to defend PMs on policy and even wrongdoings.

The Cons need to look further afield.
I used to like Tom Tugendhat, I kind of still do but he's going down the ugly rhetoric of leaving the ECHR.
Which is just sounding like Sunak and others again.

Reform must be celebrating at the prospect of one of these taking over.
I am no lover of the Reform Party or Nigel Farage.
In fact I disagree with all they are.

However you know where you REALLY are with those in Reform because they stick to their principles.
Whichever one of these lot are elected as leader of the Cons, Farage and his party can discredit said leader at every turn.

All of them represent the errors of the past and nothing at all as to real change for the future.


Only Boris can save the Tories


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[joeysteele]

Only Boris can save the Tories


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:joker::joker: I half thought you may come in and say something like that.

I guess instead of electing one of these useless candidates who supported the rot once it set in.
Then they may as well choose the guy Johnson who started the rot in the first place.

Reform may have had problems more re Johnson but I think his time has well and truly passed now, even moreso with only 121 MPs.
The Con membership still have some affection for Johnson though.

[Zizu]

:joker::joker: I half thought you may come in and say something like that.

I guess instead of electing one of these useless candidates who supported the rot once it set in.
Then they may as well choose the guy Johnson who started the rot in the first place.

Reform may have had problems more re Johnson but I think his time has well and truly passed now, even moreso with only 121 MPs.
The Con membership still have some affection for Johnson though.


Boris is the ONLY current politician who even now has millions of admirers


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[joeysteele]

Boris is the ONLY current politician who even now has millions of admirers


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As an orator and campaigner.yes.

As a leader in politics now, I'd question that really.
The time has ticked by.

Maybe had he stood against Rishi Sunak in the second election of 2022.
However really he didn't actually have enough Con MPs votes then even to go through and he realised that

[Zizu]

As an orator and campaigner.yes.

As a leader in politics now, I'd question that really.
The time has ticked by.

Maybe had he stood against Rishi Sunak in the second election of 2022.
However really he didn't actually have enough Con MPs votes then even to go through and he realised that


People have short, selective memories

12 months of Starmer and Rayner and rioting.. then the sandwich Boris had in his back garden will all be forgotten.

Its pure folly to deny Boris’s popularity


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[joeysteele]

People have short, selective memories

12 months of Starmer and Rayner and rioting.. then the sandwich Boris had in his back garden will all be forgotten.

Its pure folly to deny Boris’s popularity


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I know you like him Zizu.

However in the election just passed in our canvassing, the number of Con former voters leaving the party and most going to Reform.
The vast majority of them never want to see Johnson again.

I think he knows that too which is another reason why he maybe chose to not in any meaningful way engage in the election.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ce2a6344-2e47-42c2-b552-afb08635cdc7.png

[Zizu]

I know you like him Zizu.

However in the election just passed in our canvassing, the number of Con former voters leaving the party and most going to Reform.
The vast majority of them never want to see Johnson again.

I think he knows that too which is another reason why he maybe chose to not in any meaningful way engage in the election.


We shall see ..
Millions left the Tories because they got rid of Boris ( and the way it was done ) and who replaced him


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[Beso]

Are they still a thing?

[arista]

In today's Sun on Sunday

Jenrick has stated we need TV debates between the
possible Leaders,

Yes
BBC1HD
ITV1HD
Ch4HD
Ch5HD
SkyNewsHD &
GBnewsHD

[Livia]

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

[joeysteele]

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

To be fair, I don't mind her actually.

[Livia]

To be fair, I don't mind her actually.

I think she's by far the best of a pretty poor bunch.

[joeysteele]

I think she's by far the best of a pretty poor bunch.

I agree Livia.
It's going to be a hard task for whoever wins.

Because I now cannot see Reform not being a growing force.
How much it grows will depend on how effective the new Con leader is.
I wonder if you agree with that.

It's kind of like in the 80s
Where the opposition vote split between Labour and the Alliance( SDP/LIbs).
It took at least 2 elections for Labour to just neutralise the effect of the Alliance.

However I have a feeling that Reform will more likely than not build on where they got to this election.
They did get the 3rd highest voting figures.

[arista]

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.


Yes one of the top
of the 6.

[arista]

Good GBnewsHD
does their Normal Political show 9:30AM -11AM Sundays
featured Jenrick, David Davis.

Unlike BBC Laura and
And Sky News Trevor both on breaks

[bots]

i don't think any of the candidates will be able to turn round the tory party. None of them are without blame for the absolute mess the tory party has been in for the last few years. The eventual leader will be someone that breaks through that had a relatively clean pair of hands through all the mess. That's going to take time, probably at least a couple of years, so this is all a giant waste of time at the moment

[Livia]

i don't think any of the candidates will be able to turn round the tory party. None of them are without blame for the absolute mess the tory party has been in for the last few years. The eventual leader will be someone that breaks through that had a relatively clean pair of hands through all the mess. That's going to take time, probably at least a couple of years, so this is all a giant waste of time at the moment

I tend to agree with that.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e08a0931-bc0d-4def-84c0-08832b1e8a84.png

[arista]

Kemi



Now,
Live on 3 news channels



Talking about her vision..............

[Livia]

Kemi... The best of a really sucky bunch.

[arista]

She is taking
Press questions

[arista]

SkyNewsHD is still with it


BBCnewsHD left it going to their reporter.

[arista]

Mel Stride MP is likely to be the first kicked out
of this race.


SkyNewsHD Newspaper review Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Tory Party and Man united are very similar at the moment

[arista]

Kemi Badenoch MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
James Cleverly MP
Mel Stride MP
Priti Patel MP


6 of them
soon to be 5 or 4 of them

[arista]

Tom Tugendhat MP
was live on all 3 news ch's,

He was surrounded by Young Men

The BBC News feed Froze.
so that was the end of that, they never went back

SkyNewsHD
and GBnewsHD carried on with the live broadcast.



Meanwhile Mel Stride MP
has not bothered to do an event
so he should be gone soon

[joeysteele]

I really did think that Tom Tugendhat could have been a very good leader of the Conservative party.
Even just 2+ years ago I felt that.

Not now.
He's gone down sadly the silly more ugly rhetoric and is as much a part of the problem of the past years of shambles too.

Probably Kemi Badenoch is a safer choice but she too is still part of and a reminder of the shambolic period of government just ended in July.
So it may be, she will find herself replaced before the next election.

It's no joy to me to see the oldest Party in politics in the state it's in.
It's got major problems on several fronts.
To win Reform voters back the Cons will need to get to even more extreme ugly rhetoric.
Thereby alienating the more moderate thinking voters.

To win over the more moderate voters, they'll need to stop running up the rearside of UKIP MK3, really the Reform party.
So then could lose more of Con members and some of their voters from 2024 too.

I would not like to be the next Con leader.

[Livia]

Whoever comes up with a viable, workable plan to curb immigration and stop the boats will sweep to victory. That will not be Labour or the Tories.

[bots]

it's not as obvious to everyone, but the tory party now doesn't bear any resemblance to the tory party of the 90's or earlier. It doesn't reflect the majority view of the british public. Whoever wins the leadership wont turn round tory party popularity because they aren't tories anymore.

I honestly don't think the party as it exists now will be around in 10 years. A new party needs to be created that better reflects normal british people without extremist viewpoints

[Livia]

it's not as obvious to everyone, but the tory party now doesn't bear any resemblance to the tory party of the 90's or earlier. It doesn't reflect the majority view of the british public. Whoever wins the leadership wont turn round tory party popularity because they aren't tories anymore.

I honestly don't think the party as it exists now will be around in 10 years. A new party needs to be created that better reflects normal british people without extremist viewpoints

Do you think Reform holds extremist viewpoints?

[bots]

Do you think Reform holds extremist viewpoints?

absolutely

[Livia]

absolutely

Like what, for instance?

[bots]

Like what, for instance?

if you don't know that, there is no point in me explaining

[bots]

they also promote racial hate, sometimes subtly other times blatantly

[Crimson Dynamo]

they also promote racial hate, sometimes subtly other times blatantly

garbage

[Livia]

they also promote racial hate, sometimes subtly other times blatantly

I was expecting more. One of Reform's biggest donors is a Muslim man. The party chairman is called Zia Yusuf. They promote defended borders, that's my take.

[GiRTh]

Are we for real gonna have this discussion about Reform? One of their top contributors is Muslim so that means.......nothing.:shrug:

Those who want to have this discussion. If you haven't read the literature then please do. Dont play people as naïve by asking them to explain, with examples that you approve of, why they think Reform are racist. We all know thats a discussion that will go round and round. Lets flip it, explain to us, the unenlightened, why you think people think Reform are racist. Please provide examples that I approve of :thumbs:

[Livia]

Are we for real gonna have this discussion about Reform? One of their top contributors is Muslim so that means.......nothing.:shrug:

Those who want to have this discussion. If you haven't read the literature then please do. Dont play people as naïve by asking them to explain, with examples that you approve of, why they think Reform are racist. We all know thats a discussion that will go round and round. Lets flip it, explain to us, the unenlightened, why you think people think Reform are racist. Please provide examples that I approve of :thumbs:



You don't talk to me anymore, for some reason. Had you replied to my post for a debate I would have had a conversation with you. But you didn't. Instead you're here to intimate we're all racists when that's simply not true. I don't see that protecting the borders of this country is a racist endeavour. You may, that is your prerogative.

[arista]

Tomorrow
one of the six
is removed.

[GiRTh]

You don't talk to me anymore, for some reason. Had you replied to my post for a debate I would have had a conversation with you. But you didn't. Instead you're here to intimate we're all racists when that's simply not true. I don't see that protecting the borders of this country is a racist endeavour. You may, that is your prerogative.Thats not quite what happened.

You made a number of posts going down the road of 'Prove to me, with examples I approve of, why this is......" etc. This culminated with the non-point that one of Reforms largest contributor is Muslim. You've been on here long enough to know that means nothing. No idea why you bought it up unless you think it means something

We've both read the Reform literature and seen the candidates interviewed. We have different points of views but dont go down the 'Prove it to me bullshit' cuz we both know its a deflection.

OK lets have the discussion., Why does the fact one of their biggest contributors is Muslim matter? Tell me, with examples I approves of, why we've got them all wrong

[Livia]

Thats not quite what happened.

You made a number of posts going down the road of 'Prove to me, with examples I approve of, why this is......" etc. This culminated with the non-point that one of Reforms largest contributor is Muslim. You've been on here long enough to know that means nothing. No idea why you bought it up unless you think it means something

We've both read the Reform literature and seen the candidates interviewed. We have different points of views but dont go down the 'Prove it to me bullshit' cuz we both know its a deflection.

OK lets have the discussion., Why does the fact one of their biggest contributors is Muslim matter? Tell me, with examples I approves of, why we've got them all wrong

You have your own opinion on Reform, I'm never going to change that. I used the Muslim donor as one of two examples. They are not the only people from ethnic backgrounds who support Reform, if you want to know more, find out yourself if you're interested.

I am not a racist and no one I know who supports Reform is racist. I have no problem with people who come here, some many generations ago - like my Grandmother - and contribute. I have a problem with people who come here illegally and drain resources, put pressure on the NHS, schools and other infrastructure. People who are housed, clothed, given medical treatment etc. while British homeless live on the streets. I have no faith in any of the other parties who promise to do something about it and never do.

Are there racists in Reform? Yes. Are there anti-Semites in Labour? Yes. Do I think the whole of the Labour party is anti-Semitic? No.

That's pretty much all I have to say to you about this. I'm not going to "tell you, with examples you approve of" why you've got them wrong because nothing I say will make any difference.

[arista]

Kemi Badenoch MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
James Cleverly MP
Mel Stride MP


6 of them
soon to be 5 or 4 of them


Priti Patel MP is the first to be Eliminated


[The former immigration minister
Robert Jenrick topped the poll of MPs with 28 votes
followed by
Kemi Badenoch on 22 votes.

Third was James Cleverly with 21, fourth
was Tom Tugendhat with 17,
fifth was Mel Stride with 16 and
on last was Dame Pate 14.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d7y92n31zo

[Livia]

Surprised. I thought Stride would be first out.

[arista]

Surprised. I thought Stride would be first out.


Yes, I assume he will be next.

[joeysteele]

Surprised. I thought Stride would be first out.

I did too.

[bots]

i thought Priti would be out first. Her time has been and gone. It's like Jeremy Hunt at the last leadership election

[Gusto Brunt]

Badenoch is the only one with clout.

Jenrick needs more experience and sadly at the moment doesn't look like leader material.

Tugendhat is so wet. He couldn't lead a class of primary school kids.

[Oliver_W]

I thought she'd have outlasted at least some of the other wet nonentities.

[GiRTh]

You have your own opinion on Reform, I'm never going to change that. I used the Muslim donor as one of two examples. They are not the only people from ethnic backgrounds who support Reform, if you want to know more, find out yourself if you're interested.

I am not a racist and no one I know who supports Reform is racist. I have no problem with people who come here, some many generations ago - like my Grandmother - and contribute. I have a problem with people who come here illegally and drain resources, put pressure on the NHS, schools and other infrastructure. People who are housed, clothed, given medical treatment etc. while British homeless live on the streets. I have no faith in any of the other parties who promise to do something about it and never do.

Are there racists in Reform? Yes. Are there anti-Semites in Labour? Yes. Do I think the whole of the Labour party is anti-Semitic? No.

That's pretty much all I have to say to you about this. I'm not going to "tell you, with examples you approve of" why you've got them wrong because nothing I say will make any difference.This a proper post not like the 'Like what, for instance' that replied to Bots when he stated he thought Reform had extremist values. His reply was perfect - If you dont see it then nonone can explain it to you - but you threw a hissy fit and here we all are.

I only need to point to the awful vetting of candidates that Faradge claimed was a stitch up. Reform seem to attract people with extreme views. I have no idea why. DO you? To double down on what Bots said, If you cant see it then I cant explain it to you.

Other than the immigration policy, tell us what is so attractive about Reform and why does that policy and action against immigrants mean so much to you?

[Liam-]

They’re going to ignore the trouncing they got at the election and the renouncement of their extremities and choose the most extreme option available, Jenrick or Badenoch will win

[GiRTh]

I hope the tories go as extreme as possible just to show how far they are from the party of Thatcher and Major

[MTVN]

Looks like it'll be between Jenrick and Kemi

I don't mind either of them. Kemi might prove a bit confrontational though

[arista]

Next Tuesday
another is eliminated.

Robert Jenrick MP 28 votes
Kemi Badenoch MP 22 votes
James Cleverly MP 21 votes
Tom Tugendhat MP 17 votes
Mel Stride MP 16 votes



The remaining 4
will then go to the Conservative Conference
29th September – 2nd October 2024.
Conference location: International Convention
Centre 8 Centenary Square
Birmingham B1 2EA.

[Maru]

Are any of these people actual leaders or just "names"?

[Livia]

This a proper post not like the 'Like what, for instance' that replied to Bots when he stated he thought Reform had extremist values. His reply was perfect - If you dont see it then nonone can explain it to you - but you threw a hissy fit and here we all are.

I only need to point to the awful vetting of candidates that Faradge claimed was a stitch up. Reform seem to attract people with extreme views. I have no idea why. DO you? To double down on what Bots said, If you cant see it then I cant explain it to you.

Other than the immigration policy, tell us what is so attractive about Reform and why does that policy and action against immigrants mean so much to you?


Looked to me like it was you who had the hissy fit about a post I made to someone else.

I believe Reform attracts dubious types because they have failed to disassociate themselves adequately from Britain First nutters and the like, who are just plain old racists. I believe this will get better, all parties have struggled in the past to get decent candidates, Reform is no exception.

Other than a ban on non-essential immigration, and that doesn't include taking refugees through legal routes like the UN and the Red Cross, which we already do, there are several attractive policies for me from Reform:

Cutting tax for small businesses, taking the level at which they pay VAT up from £90k to £150k. Raising the stamp duty threshold. Creating a Royal Commission for social care. I don't know what social care is like where you live but where I live it's abysmal, especially elderly care. Scrapping Net Zero, we're installing wind turbines for green energy that are made in Chinese coal-fired foundries. Madness. Labour plans to charge VAT on private school fees which will mean lots of kids currently in private schools will suddenly land in already overcrowded and underachieving state schools. Reform want to give parents of kids in private school a tax break. And more money pledged to the NHS.

Just a snapshop. I hope this meets with your approval.

[Cherie]

If its Jenrick v Badenock, cant see the Tory leadership putting a black woman in charge, unless they have learned their lesson from Truss v Sunak

[joeysteele]

If its Jenrick v Badenock, cant see the Tory leadership putting a black woman in charge, unless they have learned their lesson from Truss v Sunak

The Con members NEVER wanted Sunak.
They didn't likely want Truss however against Sunak she was the preferable choice for them.

Since it's the members only who will decide between the final 2.

However although not a Con admirer myself, I hope for a leader of them who can be stronger.
For me these 5 remaining are still reminders of the circus of the last 5 years particularly.

The Cons as opposition are needed to provide a strong check on what Labour now will do over the next 5 years in government.
Despite it's massive majority.
However this is why I don't like big majorities for votes under 50%

I have next to no doubt that had Labour won with a much smaller majority.
That no way would the winter fuel payment have been touched.
All governments once they get massive majorities head to thinking they're invincible.
So do things they wouldn't normally do.
However that's wrong.

Until the UK gets PR, there'll be no really representative or proper government.
Under this now atrociously failing first past the post system.
Now, more than ever for me, the case for PR has only been strengthened greatly after this last election.

What any new leader of the Cons will look at reforming I haven't a clue.
For me though, it's sad to see the Cons in this plight.
It gives me no pleasure at all.
The one thing they'll need to distance themselves from however, is the Reform ( UKIP MK3) Party.

[GiRTh]

Looked to me like it was you who had the hissy fit about a post I made to someone else.

I believe Reform attracts dubious types because they have failed to disassociate themselves adequately from Britain First nutters and the like, who are just plain old racists. I believe this will get better, all parties have struggled in the past to get decent candidates, Reform is no exception.

Other than a ban on non-essential immigration, and that doesn't include taking refugees through legal routes like the UN and the Red Cross, which we already do, there are several attractive policies for me from Reform:

Cutting tax for small businesses, taking the level at which they pay VAT up from £90k to £150k. Raising the stamp duty threshold. Creating a Royal Commission for social care. I don't know what social care is like where you live but where I live it's abysmal, especially elderly care. Scrapping Net Zero, we're installing wind turbines for green energy that are made in Chinese coal-fired foundries. Madness. Labour plans to charge VAT on private school fees which will mean lots of kids currently in private schools will suddenly land in already overcrowded and underachieving state schools. Reform want to give parents of kids in private school a tax break. And more money pledged to the NHS.

Just a snapshop. I hope this meets with your approval.Did you get those policies from Wikipedia/BBC. Even the way you phrase them and the order you put them is the same :laugh:

As for hissy fits. Bots gave you a perfect answer. IF you cant see whats wrong with Reform then no one can tell you and you compared him to another forum member. Looked alot like a hissy fit to me so I came along gave my pence now you're copying articles to act like you've even read the policies.

[GiRTh]

Ooops

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

[arista]

Are any of these people actual leaders or just "names"?

Sunak MP is still the leader

They are all trying to be the new Leader
The Conservatives had done a slow race
The Winner is announced in November 2024


Next Tuesday Mel Stride MP
is likely to get the least votes
so he may be gone.


All have been in the Cabinet
so are at the level to become the new leader

[Livia]

Ooops

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

If that's your evidence for a cut and paste job, it's pretty thin.

[GiRTh]

If that's your evidence for a cut and paste job, it's pretty thin.OK if you say so but the same wording and in the same order :think: :laugh:

[arista]

Shadow health secretary
Victoria Atkins MP backs Robert Jenrick

[arista]

Mel Stride only got 16 votes
So he is now Removed

[arista]

Robert Jenrick MP 33 Votes
Kemi Badenoch MP 28 Votes

James Cleverly MP 21 Votes
Tom Tugendhat MP 21 Votes




These Four now go to the Conservative Conference

[joeysteele]

Only 12 votes in it.
It could be interesting to see where Mel Stride's votes go.

[bots]

the top 2 now will fight it out and Jenrick will win. Then in 12-18 months he will be replaced by someone else. You heard it here first :laugh:

[Cherie]

Jenrick will be a terrible leader

[Kate!]

Jenrick will be a terrible leader

Yes. They are all terrible choices. I'd have preferred Priti.

[arista]

Mel and Priti
are no longer on this list
so just the first 4

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/19/21/89887165-0-image-a-19_1726778977341.jpg

[bots]

Cleverly could sneak in to the top 2. His name is so ironic because he is thick as **** :laugh:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-29164abb-e86b-4b0e-93e3-24471ad8f687.png

[joeysteele]

It's not for me to say who the Cons should elect but I want the Cons stronger than they are.
Without moving to more hard-line positions.

In my view, and frankly NO political Party at this time has a good leader.
However I'd say of the 4 candidates left, then Kemi Badenoch is the perhaps safer choice.

I don't want to see the Cons further sinking as a force.
I'd like to see them stronger.
They need to stop fighting old battles which could have little to no relevance 3 to 5 years on from now.

[arista]

GBnewsHD


9:30AM Live Tom Harward

Talks to all 4 that are left in the race.

[arista]

cK2CZwgDF-M

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYoWcoLXUAAXRRt?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

it's an irrelevant contest as the chosen leader wont fight the next election

[arista]

Brand New Poll
was on Newsnight last night.


Tom Tugendhat MP +32
James Cleverly MP +29
Robert Jenrick MP +24
Kemi Badenoch MP +23

Taken by Savanta

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzVIJ-XMAMADw9?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzVIJ-XMAMADw9?format=jpg&name=small

Denmark publishes that information. Guess which group is responsible for the most crime. Go on... Guess. Denmark and the West... Or the "others".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Denmark publishes that information. Guess which group is responsible for the most crime. Go on... Guess. Denmark and the West... Or the "others".

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc082837 0-f9ca-4f3e-aa08-6fd99001cb17_924x828.png

[Livia]

Looks, I don't know... Disproportionate.

[Gusto Brunt]

Anyone is better than Starmer but having seen Tugmehat, he is worse than a wet lettuce. He has all the charisma of a pot hole.

[arista]

Toady 4 becomes 3

Tom Tugendhat MP may go or Kemi.

[The next 48 hours will be crucial in answering that.
Firstly, the contest on Tuesday.
A quartet will become a trio.

Then, on Wednesday, a trio will become a
pair – and then the wider Conservative Party
membership will pick from the final two.

Robert Jenrick, Kemi Badenoch,
James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat are
hitting the phones and supping breakfast,
lunch, tea, coffee, dinner, beer and wine
with any Conservative MP with an
appetite or a thirst.

Even the most ravenous are beginning to
tire of the attention now.
In the last round, almost a month ago,
the shadow work and pensions secretary
Mel Stride managed 16 votes and
was eliminated.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgq8gy5n8y7o

[arista]

Tom Tugendhat MP only got 20 votes
He is now out the Race



James at 39 Votes
Robert at 31 Votes
Kemi at 30 Votes


Tomorrow same time Down to 2 MP's

[Cherie]

Think Cleverly has got this in the bag

[arista]

Think Cleverly has got this in the bag


Could be

[OnTheRight]

As a paid up member I hope Kemi makes the final two. She will get my vote.

[Zizu]

“ Only Boris can save the day “


Sang to Neil Young’s - Only Love Can Break Your Heart ..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Cherie]

As a paid up member I hope Kemi makes the final two. She will get my vote.

Have a feeling she will fall tomorrow, just cant see the membership voting for a black woman, though I like Kemi and some of what she says does resonate

[arista]

Have a feeling she will fall tomorrow, just cant see the membership voting for a black woman, though I like Kemi and some of what she says does resonate


Sadly you are right, about that.

[Gusto Brunt]

I'd vote Tory tomorrow. :p

[bots]

Have a feeling she will fall tomorrow, just cant see the membership voting for a black woman, though I like Kemi and some of what she says does resonate


Cleverly is the absolute pits though :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Cleverly is the absolute pits though :laugh:

Although I'm Labour I still want a strong Con party.
Immaterial of differences a lot of Labour members want that too.

From my perspective and really the Con Party eouibe interested in the slightest as to my and other Labour members view.

Cleverly to me is one of the vast majority of power position MPs at any cost.
How many times has he altered his whole policy across the board positions to be and remain a Minister, over the last 3 Prime Ministers from the Cons particularly.
I can't see Cleverly seeing off the Reform Party.
Jenryck for me would be better in the Reform Party.
Because sadly I see Reform only rising further.
I'm not sure this is a flash in the pan as to them unfortunately.

Badenoch and Tugendhat could have possibly appealed to more voters in my view.
It's way over 4 years to an election, goodness knows what the World position will be then never mind the domestic state too.
Or what voters will be looking for then.

[arista]

James is out

[arista]

Kemi 42 Votes
Robert 41 Votes


James 37

[arista]

The Final Two

Are Kemi Badenoch MP & Robert Jenrick MP

[bots]

Cleverly is the absolute pits though :laugh:

job done :laugh:

[arista]

Conservatives Members
to pick between those 2

[OnTheRight]

The Final Two

Are Kemi Badenoch MP & Robert Jenrick MP

Kemi will get my vote.

[OnTheRight]

Sadly you are right, about that.

This member will.

[arista]

Kemi will get my vote.


Lucky her.

[OnTheRight]

Lucky her.

Indeed.

[arista]

Good on SkyNews
admits to getting it wrong
they thought (Sophie Ridge & her team)
James would be one of the two.

[Cherie]

wow, there must be a lot of wheeling and dealing going on, he was streets ahead yesterday :laugh:

[arista]

wow, there must be a lot of wheeling and dealing going on, he was streets ahead yesterday :laugh:


Yes
the 121 MP's jumped away from James Cleverly MP

[MTVN]

There's some dark arts at play there

[Liam-]

They really are committed to being awful aren’t they

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/What-Kemi-Badenoch-Gets-Right-About-Colonialism.webp

[joeysteele]

Yes
the 121 MP's jumped away from James Cleverly MP

Who did you want arista or who do you think should have stood that you liked more ?

[Gusto Brunt]

I mean when I heard the media saying Cleverly gave the best speech at the conference so he should be the leader, I just facepalmed. :facepalm:

The same dumb mentality that said Boris should be PM because he's funny and tells a good joke. :facepalm:

This sort of braindead attitude was thankfully not in place today. I'd like to see Kemi get the job. She seems a 1,000 times more intelligent than dumb Starmer. :hee::hee:

[arista]

Who did you want arista or who do you think should have stood that you liked more ?


Kemi, I guess

[Alf]

The Conservative Party Is dead.

You can't abandon Conservatism and hope to survive as the Conservative Party.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZdoEBXWAAA8RH5?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/9f1e/live/00fdd090-867e-11ef-822c-a50726bfda2e.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZg9iylXsAoOWS-?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Jenrick Live on GBnewsHD
now

[arista]

Surrealist Artist Cold War Steve


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZmULAzXUAEmYgV?format=jpg&name=small




https://x.com/coldwarsteve/status/1844668445725524297

[Crimson Dynamo]

“Only one Conservative leadership candidate [Kemi] grasps that the core of
Britain’s paralysis is an incompetent state and can firmly seize the opportunity
presented by a floundering government."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZrJFVwXgAsSt2o?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

We get the result,
today at 11AM

Robert or Kemi.

I assume Robert could win this.

[MTVN]

I think it'll be Kemi

Whoever wins takes over with the Tories just having gone ahead in the polls :omgno:

[arista]

I think it'll be Kemi

Whoever wins takes over with the Tories just having gone ahead in the polls :omgno:




Yes also possible

[arista]

Kemi Badenoch MP is the New Leader of the Conservative Party

[UserSince2005]

Kemi for queen.

Wage war on those lefty loons

[MTVN]

Well done Kemi :clap1:

[joeysteele]

From the choice of the original 6.
Plus particularly from this last choice of 2.

I think they've made the right choice.

I'm not Conservative but wish her well in the job.
A strong Conservative Party is needed, I'd personally hope she looks more to the future and not being hampered by groups of Con backbenchers to keep opening the battles of the past.

Good luck to her.

[Cherie]

Surprised but pleased for her, and so glad Jenrick didn't get it, he would have been abysmal, I hope she makes a decent job off it

[Livia]

Great choice for the Tories. Finally, they've done something right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well done to Kemi

[Livia]

Wonder if anyone's asked David Tennant for a comment?

[Liam-]

Jesus

[Livia]

Jesus

Well, it's hard to argue with hard-hitting political comments like that.

[jet]

Great result...Congrats to Kemi! :clap1:

[Gusto Brunt]

She was the better choice. :hee:

However, I am getting fed up hearing this morning that she's the first black...and the first black woman....:fist:

How racist is that!! :mad: And patronising. :mad:

[Black Dagger]

Lmao. What an own goal. Great job from them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/06/19/TELEMMGLPICT000354592194_17188223050140_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqkOU4-D3H7NXEkiSxYpGgktOZ3rm0-6slEPMpFvzSssw.jpeg?imwidth=680

[Livia]

Lmao. What an own goal. Great job from them.

Why? I believe she's the best the Tories could possibly have hoped for.

[MTVN]

She was the better choice. :hee:

However, I am getting fed up hearing this morning that she's the first black...and the first black woman....:fist:

How racist is that!! :mad: And patronising. :mad:

I think it's worth celebrating someone making history

Whatever you think of the Conservative party they have demonstrated again and again that race and gender should not be barriers to opportunity in the party

[Black Dagger]

Why? I believe she's the best the Tories could possibly have hoped for.

I think every option they had was a dud but I think she’s totally divisive and I just find her views a bit concerning.

I just don’t think she’ll get the backing either. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is another leadership election in 12 months. The party are a mess

[Livia]

I think every option they had was a dud but I think she’s totally divisive and I just find her views a bit concerning.

I just don’t think she’ll get the backing either. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is another leadership election in 12 months. The party are a mess

I think she's every inch a Tory. The best possible choice for them. She's not afraid of being unpopular and here are the Conservatives choosing another woman and another minority to lead them. Meanwhile Labour's stuck with another middle-class white man with a title.

[joeysteele]

Personally I think the female PM thing has been badly reduced for impact now after the last 2 female PMs
It's not really a novelty anymore.

What will be interesting to see is how things go for her, not in the next year or so but where things are in say 3 years.
In the Conservative Party.

Because she is leader while not getting ANYWHERE near even half of the 121 Conservative MPs votes.
Over a quarter of Conservative members didn't even vote in this leadership election.
Yet she couldn't get just half of the Con members eligible to vote.

So hardly a ringing endorsement for her.
However I think she was certainly the best of the last 2 and indeed the whole original 6 candidates.
It's now what direction her Party now want to go in.
That's her real challenge.

Labour look heading to the ropes at present with some really bad decisions already made.
In round one of 5 yearly rounds to do.
However, IF things start to look like improving,( not even significantly), in 2 to 3 years, then her added challenge will get even harder.

Plus what now will Farage with UKIP mk3 now do to ensure she cannot entice those voters who went to Reform back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour and the Conservatives are so similar these days she will have to something radical