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I do wonder who the next scapegoat in the Tory party will be.

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Seems quite likely it'll be a fairly long leadership contest which I doubt Sunak is pleased about

Badenoch, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Patel and Tugendhat are the names that keep coming up. Not a very inspiring choice tbh but Kemi is my preferred candidate

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Apparently after the cull, there are more mp's now in the centre of the party, so that will be the first war

If Patel wins, i can see her engineering a return for Boris, which they should avoid at all costs

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[joeysteele]

A long space between electing a new leader can create problems too.

In Labour for instance, when James Callaghan lost to Margaret Thatcher in May 1979.
He stayed in place for 18 months until November 1980.

Hoping to likely make the best choice of new leader.

Result, they elected Michael Foot.
Which brought about the splits on the European union, leading to the creation from former Labour MPs of the Social Democratic Party, SDP.

I hope the Conservatives will reflect on political history.
Because like then , they need to see off the really awful Reform Party set up.
The very thought of narcissist Farage becoming the real opposition leader or worse still ever gaining power should be really worrying as much as it could be dangerous.

The Conservatives are the oldest political Party, they have been a formidable winning machine in elections.
I'm Labour but I respect the Conservatives as political foes.
However I don't want either to see them destroyed, and certainly not for an extreme divisive outfit such as the UKIP/Brexit and now in its 3rd stage Reform all still under the same narcissistic divisive Farage.

I'm not sure Badenoch would be the right choice but it's not for me to really comment.
I liked Tom Tugendhat before.
If I was a Conservative I'd likely be supporting someone more like him.

However I really hope they make a good choice because like with Labour in the 80s
Who had to get someone in place to see off the split voting between Labour and the Liberal/SDP Alliance
Here and now the Conservatives need to ensure they move to see off Reform.
Not letting Farage etc; get any stronger hold.
I hope the Conservative Party will succeed in that.

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Hague's advice to potential leaders that are thinking of standing is ...... don't do it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hague's advice to potential leaders that are thinking of standing is ...... don't do it

LOL... Good advice. I mean, would you want the job? I know I wouldn't.

That said, if I had a vote - and I don't - I would vote for Kemi.

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They just need an actual Conservative who does not give a sh1t about peoples opinions

If that makes sense

[Zizu]

Only Boris can save the Tories who are hated beyond belief yet Boris still has millions of admirers


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[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Only Boris can save the Tories who are hated beyond belief yet Boris still has millions of admirers


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How could he ever trust them again? You expect the opposition to come out gunning for you, but your own party? Rishi I was a big part in the orchestration of Johnson's downfall... Didn't work out too well for him, did it.

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Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election

Is he, though? The noisy minority might indicate that but I'm not so sure.

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Originally Posted by Livia

Is he, though? The noisy minority might indicate that but I'm not so sure.

oh, i'm sure. It may not be Thatcher level of hate, but it's getting there.

It really depends how labour do. If they manage to get the feel good factor back (unlikely) and they get by without any major corruption issues or infighting (unlikely) then it wont matter who the tory leader is.

Politics is weird these days, so i would never say anything with certainty, but I think it would take a long time for Boris to be acceptable again

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Boris is hated by voters now. He would never win another election

We shall see soon enough

No way millions of people suddenly turn on him .. he wasn’t actually partying during covid unlike those unsavoury Sky presenters who held huge parties and got suspended for 6 months ( Kay Burley actually went on a all expenses paid world trip… as a punishment !


Boris himself could be even more popular given he nearly died from Covid and had the whole country checking his progress in hospital on a daily basis


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[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

oh, i'm sure. It may not be Thatcher level of hate, but it's getting there.

It really depends how labour do. If they manage to get the feel good factor back (unlikely) and they get by without any major corruption issues or infighting (unlikely) then it wont matter who the tory leader is.

Politics is weird these days, so i would never say anything with certainty, but I think it would take a long time for Boris to be acceptable again

I think his plan is to make a return. Do you think a link-up with Reform might be in the cards in the future? It depends on how Reform do... But can you see that happening?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

How could he ever trust them again? You expect the opposition to come out gunning for you, but your own party? Rishi I was a big part in the orchestration of Johnson's downfall... Didn't work out too well for him, did it.

Rishi and the other lily livered lemmings just jumped ship because the media and labour went on a witch hunt .. Rishi renounced his leader and supposed friend .. promised the earth and steered the country into an abyss


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Originally Posted by Livia

I think his plan is to make a return. Do you think a link-up with Reform might be in the cards in the future? It depends on how Reform do... But can you see that happening?

if it were me, i would concentrate on the lib dems and their 70+ seats. Labour will be out to get reform, let them fight that battle. Also, the tories need to adopt the strategy that Cameron took with labour. They share the same political spectrum, so they should be saying, what you are doing is great, but you are not going far enough. Sew doubt in them with the voters by being largely cordial

[Livia]

Reform got more votes than the LibDems but only ended up with 5 MPs, does anyone think Labour will be at all interested in looking at proportional representation? Or plod on with first past the post?

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Originally Posted by Livia

Reform got more votes than the LibDems but only ended up with 5 MPs, does anyone think Labour will be at all interested in looking at proportional representation? Or plod on with first past the post?

Starmer won't want to change from the current system. Why would he sacrifice 200 of his mp's at the next election. The labour membership may want PR, but this is starmers party now, these are all starmer mp's

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Sadly, I think you're right. Shame. I must ask joeysteele his thoughts on this.

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Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
Time to find someone new altogether with a better out look to boot.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
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You could say exactly the same about Labour


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[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Out of that lot putting their names in the hat, I don’t think I could vote for any of them.
Time to find someone new altogether with a better out look to boot.

What about Tom Tugendhat MP?

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Originally Posted by arista

What about Tom Tugendhat MP?

he is a knob