Omg. I'm devastated. Liam Payne has died. (One Direction singer)

[Glenn.]

Awhh bless you, thank you



It's called empathy and respect.

People feel like they did know him. You haven't got to physically know someone to feel compassion



OK. I stand by comments.

I feel compassion for his family. Not the idiot who fell off a building because he couldn’t handle his big boy drugs.

[ThomasC]

I feel compassion for his family. Not the idiot who fell off a building because he couldn’t handle his big boy drugs.

So you don't consider any mitigating circumstances AT ALL?

It's clear to you that that he had complete control over his actions?

You don't think rising to huge fame when he was 16 had any impact on his ability to reason?

[Glenn.]

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

[Crimson Dynamo]

170,790 people die every day

365 days per year

[ThomasC]

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

Their your words. No one has mentioned that he is innocent. I would like to think those who were closest to him he knew him best, their words speak volumes.

Regardless of any of that, it's a loss of life.

I won't change your opinion so I will leave it there.

[Kate!]

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

Facepalm!!

We are not saying he was all sweet and innocent by a long chalk. Not at all? He was extremely flawed, damaged. As Thomas said, its empathetic to feel sorrow at his death. For him and his family etc alike.

[Glenn.]

So you don't consider any mitigating circumstances AT ALL?

It's clear to you that that he had complete control over his actions?

You don't think rising to huge fame when he was 16 had any impact on his ability to reason?

Not particularly. He wanted the fame don’t he? He wasn’t even a good singer. Hence why he was dropped.

He was clinging to fame so desperately.

It’s tragic what happened to him but that’s as far as my compassion goes. Not gonna be a weirdo and cry over him dying.

[rusticgal]

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out


Do you know him personally???...or are you making these judgements on what you have read?

[Kate!]

Pfffft. Utter Garbage. He was a great singer. Millions would disagree with you. Not that you're not entitled to your opinion of course.

[ThomasC]

Facepalm!!

We are not saying he was all sweet and innocent by a long chalk. Not at all? He was extremely flawed, damaged. As Thomas said, its empathetic to feel sorrow at his death. For him and his family etc alike.

I wouldn't even bother Kate.

They're entitled to their opinion.

We're going around in circles
Thankfully, it's a minority opinion.

It's the same demographic who contribute to the dark side of social media. Free to say what they like behind a computer with very little understanding of human psychology. Like I said previous, a lack of emotional intelligence

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/08/91003111-0-image-a-6_1729237420761.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974125/Liam-Payne-death-admission-hotel-guest-final-photos.html

this is getting ghoulish now, if they have pictures of him in his last hour there must be footage of him on the balcony or CCTV hopefully for his familys sake they will be able to verify whether he jumped or fell ..I feel for his family I dont think we need all this kind of reporting?

[Glenn.]

Do you know him personally???...or are you making these judgements on what you have read?

From what I’ve seen and heard from him. His solo music was dire and his record company agreed

[user104658]

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a £100 therapy session and not a £billion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[arista]

this is getting ghoulish now, if they have pictures of him in his last hour there must be footage of him on the balcony or CCTV hopefully for his familys sake they will be able to verify whether he jumped or fell ..I feel for his family I dont think we need all this kind of reporting?



There are photos of him on the ground
dead.

[ThomasC]

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a £100 therapy session and not a £billion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Very good post

There are a lot of 'functioning' addicts. Can keep down a job, pay the bills, have friends, BUT still have bad addiction.

[Cherie]

There are photos of him on the ground
dead.

awful

[Zizu]

170,790 people die every day

365 days per year


Now that is a crazy coincidence !!

lol


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[ThomasC]

awful

To put it in context
.
There wasn't photos. It was one photo showing his arm and hip, the rest of the body was blurred out.it was released by TMZ who have since taken it down as they got backlash

Understandable as disgusting thing to do

[Zizu]

Their your words. No one has mentioned that he is innocent. I would like to think those who were closest to him he knew him best, their words speak volumes.

Regardless of any of that, it's a loss of life.

I won't change your opinion so I will leave it there.


Reactions to the death of a celebrity is a complex matter



I never really cared for Liam .. or his solo music ( two decent songs and one of those was a duet the other a collaboration)

Never really cared much for Zayn but he has done some fantastic songs ..


Now Harry Styles’s personality always appealed to me plus he’s done loads of great songs - I would be really disappointed if something untoward happened to him


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[MTVN]

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

[bots]

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a £100 therapy session and not a £billion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.


you have just written a load of stuff not related in any way to my post. People don't seem to be very comfortable acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy, by their own choices, the families they destroy. Why not a little more about that?

I state again, he had every advantage. He could go to rehab, get the best help, much more than 99% of other addicts. He, by his own choices, took a path that led to his death, no-one else. If that evokes sympathy in some people fair enough, but don't tell me i am heartless or whatever for my stance, because it's just not true

[user104658]

you have just written a load of stuff not related in any way to my post. People don't seem to be very comfortable acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy, by their own choices, the families they destroy. Why not a little more about that?


BOTS I've just outlined in that post that my own mother died as a result of addiction when I was in my late 20's so with all due respect (which is zero), you can take your musings on "people not acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy", roll them up and fck yourself sideways with them. Take a break and take a look at yourself.

[Benjamin]

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

Yeah, sounds like he landed head first though

[Tom and amy fan]

I keep thinking about how Cheryl has to explain to a 7 year old where his dad is

[Zizu]

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall


Head injuries …


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[Zizu]

I keep thinking about how Cheryl has to explain to a 7 year old where his dad is


Were they that close though or were they estranged ?


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[Glenn.]

He wasn’t a part of his life much so thankfully won’t be that much of a blow for him. Won’t be so hard on him until he’s grown up a bit.

[arista]

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/47/4by3/2024/10/16/47a4d9de4ac24b6cbd5a49575186c231_md.jpg

TMZ

[rusticgal]

From what I’ve seen and heard from him.


So you don't know him personally....you are making that judgement on what you have 'seen' and 'heard'....

I was a little confused because you don't like people making judgements on people based on what they have 'seen' and 'heard'....which makes your comments hypocritical to say the least....what makes it worse is a young life has been lost..he didn't hurt anyone other than himself and the loved ones he has left behind....to see comments slagging him and his music off at this particular time is really quite inappropriate.

[Liam-]

Some of the comments in here and on social media in general are actually quite shocking, I know the world likes to pick targets and go after them until they’re broke , but you’d think it would stop after they’ve died, especially in such tragic ways

[user104658]

I think what bugs me slightly is the idea that empathy is reserved for the "pure of spirit". That's not really empathy at all, is it. I can appreciate that he was a troubled chap who was leaving a lot of pain and destruction in his wake; but that in itself is sad, when you consider the bleak & toxic system that forged him, even without the way it's ended.

[Glenn.]

So you don't know him personally....you are making that judgement on what you have 'seen' and 'heard'....

I was a little confused because you don't like people making judgements on people based on what they have 'seen' and 'heard'....which makes your comments hypocritical to say the least....what makes it worse is a young life has been lost..he didn't hurt anyone other than himself and the loved ones he has left behind....to see comments slagging him and his music off at this particular time is really quite inappropriate.

From what I’ve seen and heard from him. If the comparison you’re clutching at is my view on Harry and Meghans Haters then it’s weak as ****. The H&M haters literally make up weird scenarios, and conspiracy theories about them. Completely different.

[ThomasC]

you have just written a load of stuff not related in any way to my post. People don't seem to be very comfortable acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy, by their own choices, the families they destroy. Why not a little more about that?

I state again, he had every advantage. He could go to rehab, get the best help, much more than 99% of other addicts. He, by his own choices, took a path that led to his death, no-one else. If that evokes sympathy in some people fair enough, but don't tell me i am heartless or whatever for my stance, because it's just not true

You are heartless, absolutely true to the core.

The guy has just passed, you couldn't even wait two days.

He did go to rehab.

People are comfortable doing that, but there is a time for it. It's called respect and awareness.

Keep viewing the world through tinted glasses where everything is perfect and human behind have 100% control over their actions

[ThomasC]

BOTS I've just outlined in that post that my own mother died as a result of addiction when I was in my late 20's so with all due respect (which is zero), you can take your musings on "people not acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy", roll them up and fck yourself sideways with them. Take a break and take a look at yourself.

*Claps*

Disgusting, isn't it?

Has absolutely no self awareness whatsoever.

[ThomasC]

I think what bugs me slightly is the idea that empathy is reserved for the "pure of spirit". That's not really empathy at all, is it. I can appreciate that he was a troubled chap who was leaving a lot of pain and destruction in his wake; but that in itself is sad, when you consider the bleak & toxic system that forged him, even without the way it's ended.

Spot on

[Kazanne]

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

Exactly what I though MTVN,it does seem survivable,I guess its the way he fell.

[arista]

Some of the comments in here and on social media in general are actually quite shocking, I know the world likes to pick targets and go after them until they’re broke , but you’d think it would stop after they’ve died, especially in such tragic ways


Sure,
I think it is wrong to blame Simon Cowell
though

[bots]

BOTS I've just outlined in that post that my own mother died as a result of addiction when I was in my late 20's so with all due respect (which is zero), you can take your musings on "people not acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy", roll them up and fck yourself sideways with them. Take a break and take a look at yourself.

It's you that brought up your mum, it's you that is overly judgemental of other forum members in every thread. I am specifically talking about my thoughts on the person that is the subject of this thread, i'm not making it personal. You and several others here are. I'm entitled to my opinions on the thread subject, there are as equally valid as anyone elses.

People that manage to get through life without serious, life threatening events happening to family and friends are in the minority. Life is not a picnic. So, with all due respect, don't put your baggage on me. Like i said, you are the first to be judgemental all over the forum, so i don't need a lecture from you

[Maru]

I'm only starting to catch up and read up on this, but saw that TMZ had shared post-death photos... that's ridiculous...

[Vanessa]

I'm only starting to catch up and read up on this, but saw that TMZ had shared post-death photos... that's ridiculous...

Tmz has no morals whatsoever. All they care about is making money.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-89481259-9e1d-422c-8aa6-b5ed4851948b.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-fc314e3c-3e36-4eb4-b779-6dcc25b20a3a.png

[Kate!]

Cheryl's words were lovely. Very respectful. Aww. I feel for her.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/19/00/91032357-0-image-m-17_1729294092492.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13976981/liam-payne-final-stint-rehab-one-direction-addiction.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023369-13976127-image-a-37_1729272618076.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023371-13976127-image-a-38_1729272621889.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023373-13976127-image-a-39_1729272626861.jpg

[Ammi]

…this image of Liam Payne at Tom Parker’s funeral is just so terribly profound at this moment…


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/13/56830295-10734949-image-a-160_1650456078507.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023369-13976127-image-a-37_1729272618076.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023371-13976127-image-a-38_1729272621889.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/18/91023373-13976127-image-a-39_1729272626861.jpg

should that not be "affect" as he is using it as a verb?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/19/00/91032357-0-image-m-17_1729294092492.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13976981/liam-payne-final-stint-rehab-one-direction-addiction.html

Brave?

[arista]

Brave?

I assume they mean up to now
he made it that far?

[GoldGlitter]

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/47/4by3/2024/10/16/47a4d9de4ac24b6cbd5a49575186c231_md.jpg

TMZ

If it was higher his head could have popped off by hitting that metal frame.

[arista]

If it was higher his head could have popped off by hitting that metal frame.


Yes
that would have been worse

[user104658]

should that not be "affect" as he is using it as a verb?

No, in this case "the effect" is a noun not a verb.

"One direction had an effect on their fans" vs "One Direction might affect their fans".

"It affects me" is correct.

"It has an effect on me" is correct.

With both sentences having more or less the same meaning but the word used subtly differently.

It's a tricky one to be fair LT don't worry too much about it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, in this case "the effect" is a noun not a verb.

"One direction had an effect on their fans" vs "One Direction might affect their fans".

"It affects me" is correct.

"It has an effect on me" is correct.

With both sentences having more or less the same meaning but the word used subtly differently.

It's a tricky one to be fair LT don't worry too much about it.

cheers

its one of the hardest to get your head around

I struggle always with this and few and less!

[Redway]

should that not be "affect" as he is using it as a verb?

No. Definitely, definitely effect.

[Redway]

No, in this case "the effect" is a noun not a verb.

"One direction had an effect on their fans" vs "One Direction might affect their fans".

"It affects me" is correct.

"It has an effect on me" is correct.

With both sentences having more or less the same meaning but the word used subtly differently.

It's a tricky one to be fair LT don't worry too much about it.

It’s really not. You either affect something or have an effect on it. Not that hard to understand.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/19/15/91043441-0-image-a-4_1729348224714.jpg


[Liam Payne's sister Ruth
shares never seen before snaps
of tragic One Direction star - as
she says : 'I'd drive to the end
of the universe to bring you back']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13978041/liam-payne-sister-ruth-pictures-family-tragic-one-direction-star-tribute.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why did he live in USA when his son in in England?

[arista]

Why did he live in USA when his son in in England?


Better Session Musicians


Of course sadly
just before he got High on Drugs
The Record Label dumped him.

[arista]

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[Kate!]

I'm planning on doing a Blog on Tibb ASAP when I have it all organised as a tribute to Liam, his life and times so to speak. Including his career throughout the years, tributes from his family, friends, Cheryl etc. I'd rather do it as a blog, seeing as there's this thread already in existence for general discussion. X

[Glenn.]

Why did he live in USA when his son in in England?

He didn’t have anything to do with the kid.

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/10/20/7017433672349338698/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_7017433672349338698.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13980327/Liam-Payne-remembered-world-vigils-held-London-Paris-New-York-Colombia-Stockholm-thousands-fans-unite-remember-life-One-Direction-star.html

[Kate!]

He didn’t have anything to do with the kid.

Source?

To the contrary, I've read that he saw him 3 times a week as much as possible?

Who's to know which is true?

[Ammi]

Liam Payne 'to be honoured at MTV Awards'…

Liam Payne will reportedly be honoured at the MTV Europe Music Awards in Manchester next month.

The One Direction star died after plunging from a balcony at a hotel in Argentina last week and his death has sent fans across the world into mourning - and now a new report suggests he will be remembered onstage at the glittering prizegiving when it takes place in the UK on November 10 amid reports the show will be hosted by his friend and former collaborator Rita Ora.

A source told The Sun newspaper: "Bosses have all agreed that they want to host a tribute to Liam during next month's MTV EMAs.

"In the coming days they will start drawing up official plans.

"Officially Rita is yet to be announced, but she is hosting this year's awards and will be involved in whatever MTV decides to do.

"She and Liam have been close for years and grew in the industry together. Obviously she is devastated by his passing."

Liam and Rita previously worked together on 2018 single 'For You' which featured on the 'Fifty Shades Freed ' soundtrack and the singer shared her grief over his passing in an emotional performance of the song in Japan last week.

Rita appeared to break down in tears as she told the audience in Osaka: "I can’t even sing this right now - can you do it for me?"

She later mouthed: "I’m sorry" before walking offstage to compose herself.

The MTV EMAs were previously held in the UK back in 2017 and Rita helped with hosting duties while Liam performed his solo single 'Strip That Down' during the show.

The 31-year-old singer's tragic death shocked the world on October 16. The pop star died from "multiple traumas" that caused "internal and external bleeding" after he plunged from a third-floor balcony at the Casa Sur Hotel in Buenos Aires.

In a statement, his family said: “Liam will forever live in our hearts and we’ll remember him for his kind, funny and brave soul. “We are supporting each other the best we can as a family and ask for privacy and space at this awful time."

His 1D bandmates Louis Tomlinson, 32, Zayn Malik, 31, Niall Horan, also 31, and 30-year-old Harry Styles - who were catapulted to global fame after being put together on 'The X Factor' in 2010 - have all paid moving tributes.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/liam-payne-honoured-mtv-awards-080000131.html

[Cherie]

Source?

To the contrary, I've read that he saw him 3 times a week as much as possible?

Who's to know which is true?

I don't know why Cheryl would say Bear has to come to terms with never seeing his Dad again if he weren't in his life

[bots]

the world has moved on, meet ups can be on face time or whatever, people don't need to be in the same location

[Glenn.]

He hadn’t seen his kid for months.

[Kate!]

He hadn’t seen his kid for months.

Again. How do you know this? Are you party to his private life? I don't think so. Stop being so nasty. He's died fgs.

[Kate!]

There are several heartless posts in this thread, by more than one person. It's not nice. It's not necessary. Don't speak ill of the Dead.

[Glenn.]

Members will post what they want when they want about who they want as many times as they want

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/21/14/91102081-0-image-m-32_1729518787861.jpg

[Kate!]

Members will post what they want when they want about who they want as many times as they want

Not if it is offensive? Which to be quite frank your posts are. Imo.

Your posts, and others are disrespectful, and morally very wrong. Also you post that he was a deadbeat dad, never saw his son etc etc. Yet I've asked you to substantiate these words and you've ignored it. Because you can't? It's just pure supposition on your part based on a dislike of someone you don't even know. Have you read any of the mass amounts of tributes he's received from friends, family, colleagues? People who knew him personally unlike you or I?

[Glenn.]

Anyway

[Kate!]

Anyway

Yeah that's all you got? Because I am right.

Still waiting for your source about his parenting?

I'll not hold my breath.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/21/14/91102081-0-image-m-32_1729518787861.jpg

sorry but am i missing something

his gf left to return home and he immediately got 2 prossies in a load of drugs?

[Glenn.]

But we all got to act like he was a stand up guy because he’s dead now

[Cherie]

According to this he saw his son regularly

https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/17/liam-paynes-heartbreaking-last-photo-cheryls-son-bear-21811582/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20Payne%20opened%20up%20abou t%20how%20often,him%2C%20he%20has%20100%20percent% 20of%20my%20time.

[Kate!]

But we all got to act like he was a stand up guy because he’s dead now

You don't know that he wasn't? Just say nothing when someone's died if you can't be nice maybe. Let your silence be enough.

Have some respect.

[Cherie]

sorry but am i missing something

his gf left to return home and he immediately got 2 prossies in a load of drugs?

He was obviously mentally unstable at the end?

[Kate!]

He was obviously mentally unstable at the end?

Yes indeed Cherie. He clearly was. Is it so hard for people to have just a tad of empathy/sympathy?

Obviously it appears that's too much to ask.

[Glenn.]

According to this he saw his son regularly

https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/17/liam-paynes-heartbreaking-last-photo-cheryls-son-bear-21811582/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20Payne%20opened%20up%20abou t%20how%20often,him%2C%20he%20has%20100%20percent% 20of%20my%20time.

That was over two years ago. I read he hadn’t seen him in months. Hardly been busy with a music career as was rubbish and got dropped.

Spent his days on the drugs and paying for sex.

[Glenn.]

And harassing ex girlfriends. He was a top bloke

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was obviously mentally unstable at the end?

Well it seems to be treated as an accident so there was no end in terms of how he saw it..

[Cherie]

Well it seems to be treated as an accident so there was no end in terms of how he saw it..

I haven't seen anything to confirm if it were suicide or an accident

[bots]

He was obviously mentally unstable at the end?

It's what groups used to do in the 70's and 80's. Freddie Mercury had a naked dwarf serving cocaine from a silver bowl. The eagles, shipped in champagne and girls by concorde

[Glenn.]

Had pink cocaine," which is a mixture of several drugs including MDMA, ketamine, methamphetamine, cocaine, benzodiazepine and crack.

Lovely

[Mystic Mock]

But we all got to act like he was a stand up guy because he’s dead now

Oh he had his problems.

I think that the environment of being around Simon never helps a lot of these people during their teen years, and it materializes into bigger problems when they become adults.

[Glenn.]

Oh he had his problems.

I think that the environment of being around Simon never helps a lot of these people during their teen years, and it materializes into bigger problems when they become adults.

He’s an idiot that paid the ultimate price.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Benjamin]

Anyway back on the topic. I’m sorry for his family’s loss. He himself was reckless. He rolled the devil’s dice and unfortunately paid the price.

[Glenn.]

Anyway back on the topic. I’m sorry for his family’s loss. He himself was reckless. He rolled the devil’s dice and unfortunately paid the price.

It’s always the family I feel sorry for in situations like this.

[MTVN]

A lot of people found out about his death through this thread and it has served to discuss how it happened etc. and whenever a public figure dies people discuss the circumstances and their character. You can't control how people react to that or to him Kate.

That's the bottom line for this thread. Closing it for now because people have shown no signs of stopping the argument. Will reopen it later

[MTVN]

Right I've deleted the majority of posts from this evening. To be clear:

- this thread has served to discuss Liam Paynes death and will continue to do so
- forum members can respond to Liam Payne's death as they wish providing it is within the rules
- as with all celebrity deaths, people will also discuss the person involved and are entitled to do so
- if you don't like seeing negative posts about the person I suggest staying away from this thread
- anyone is welcome to start a thread in the music section as a celebration of his life/career. Posts about his death and negative posts should not go in there as this thread is still open
- if you don't like someone's posts on the forum then the ignore function is very useful
- if you have a problem with the above PM a Mod, do not post it in here

Will reopen the thread soon

[Benjamin]

It’s always the family I feel sorry for in situations like this.

Yeah, they must be going through hell.

[smudgie]

Yeah, they must be going through hell.

Yes, that little boy of his growing up without his daddy now.
Just tragic.

[Cherie]

a quote from his sister, Ms Payne also added her voice to the previous tributes from family and friends who condemned how he was treated, saying: “Unfortunately this cruel world is always to [sic] quick to judge someone from a few five second clips, they then think it entitles them to be able to speak like they know you.”

[Glenn.]

1848342190587597282?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

a quote from his sister, Ms Payne also added her voice to the previous tributes from family and friends who condemned how he was treated, saying: “Unfortunately this cruel world is always to [sic] quick to judge someone from a few five second clips, they then think it entitles them to be able to speak like they know you.”

What 5 seconds clips is she referring too?

[Cherie]

What 5 seconds clips is she referring too?

I guess clips from over the years, I dont know

[ThomasC]

What 5 seconds clips is she referring too?

Oh dear. She's not being literal....that's obvious

[Mystic Mock]

He’s an idiot that paid the ultimate price.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

He unfortunately was reckless, I agree with you on that.

[Glenn.]

One Direction singer Liam Payne wrote a note to his girlfriend shortly before his death, predicting they would get married within a year, she has revealed.
Kate Cassidy posted a new tribute to him on Wednesday, a week after his death in a fall from a balcony in Argentina at the age of 31.
"A few weeks ago, we sat outside on a beautiful evening manifesting our lives together," she wrote on Instagram.
"I keep your note close, even though you told me not to look at it. It said, 'Me and Kate to marry within a year/engaged & together forever'."
She also posted a series of photos, including one of his handwritten note.
She added: "Liam, I know we'll be together forever, but not in the way we had planned. You'll always be with me. I've gained a guardian angel.
"I will love you for the rest of my life and beyond, carrying our dreams and memories with me everywhere I go. Forever yours, Katelyn."
Payne had been in a relationship with the US influencer since 2022, and she had been with him in South America in the days before he died.
But when Payne fell to his death on 16 October, Cassidy had already left the country.
'The love of my life'
She started her Instagram message: "I don't even know where to begin. My heart is shattered in ways I can't put into words.
"I wish you could see the huge impact you've had on the world, even as it feels so dark right now. You brought so much happiness and positivity to everyone - millions of fans, your family, friends, and especially me. You are so incredibly loved.
"You are - because I can't say were - my best friend, the love of my life, and everyone you touched felt just as special as I did. Your energy was contagious, lighting up every room you walked into."
She continued: "None of this feels real, and I can't wrap my head around this new reality of not having you here. I'm struggling to figure out how to live in a world without you by my side. Together, we got to be kids again, always finding joy in the smallest things.
"Liam, you had the kindest soul and the most fun-loving spirit. It feels like I've lost the best part of myself. I can't imagine a day without your laughter and love. You brought so much light into my life."
Payne's sudden death led to an outpouring of grief from his family, friends and fans around the world.
His father Geoff is now in the Argentine capital Buenos Aires, and authorities are carrying out tests before allowing his body to be returned to the UK.
They are also reviewing phone, computer and security camera evidence to establish the full circumstances of his death.


But then paid for sex the minute she left

[Crimson Dynamo]

Veteran foreign correspondent Michael Buerk has expressed his disapproval of the BBC’s extensive coverage of Liam Payne’s death.

The BBC journalist, 78, known for his landmark 1984 Six O’Clock News bulletin about the famine in Ethiopia that triggered the release of the charity single “Do They Know It’s Christmas”, and Bob Geldof’s 16-hour music marathon Live Aid, described Payne as a “drugged up, faded, boy band singer”.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Buerk claimed Payne’s death should not have been of such interest to any of the BBC news programmes, including Today and the 10 O’Clock News.

When asked how foreign reporting has changed since his Ethiopia report, the broadcaster said there was “more of an appetite for seriousness” at the height of his career and slammed the channel’s interest in Payne’s death.

“Last week, this programme decided that the most important thing that had happened in the world was that a drugged up faded boy band singer had fallen off a balcony,” he said.

“Even the 10 O’clock News, which is normally good on these things, thought it was the second most important thing that happened in the world.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/liam-payne-michael-buerk-death-bbc-b2634872.html

Does he have a point?

[Kate!]

No he's an old curmudgeon with no compassion. Would have thought better of him.

[Kazanne]

One Direction singer Liam Payne wrote a note to his girlfriend shortly before his death, predicting they would get married within a year, she has revealed.
Kate Cassidy posted a new tribute to him on Wednesday, a week after his death in a fall from a balcony in Argentina at the age of 31.
"A few weeks ago, we sat outside on a beautiful evening manifesting our lives together," she wrote on Instagram.
"I keep your note close, even though you told me not to look at it. It said, 'Me and Kate to marry within a year/engaged & together forever'."
She also posted a series of photos, including one of his handwritten note.
She added: "Liam, I know we'll be together forever, but not in the way we had planned. You'll always be with me. I've gained a guardian angel.
"I will love you for the rest of my life and beyond, carrying our dreams and memories with me everywhere I go. Forever yours, Katelyn."
Payne had been in a relationship with the US influencer since 2022, and she had been with him in South America in the days before he died.
But when Payne fell to his death on 16 October, Cassidy had already left the country.
'The love of my life'
She started her Instagram message: "I don't even know where to begin. My heart is shattered in ways I can't put into words.
"I wish you could see the huge impact you've had on the world, even as it feels so dark right now. You brought so much happiness and positivity to everyone - millions of fans, your family, friends, and especially me. You are so incredibly loved.
"You are - because I can't say were - my best friend, the love of my life, and everyone you touched felt just as special as I did. Your energy was contagious, lighting up every room you walked into."
She continued: "None of this feels real, and I can't wrap my head around this new reality of not having you here. I'm struggling to figure out how to live in a world without you by my side. Together, we got to be kids again, always finding joy in the smallest things.
"Liam, you had the kindest soul and the most fun-loving spirit. It feels like I've lost the best part of myself. I can't imagine a day without your laughter and love. You brought so much light into my life."
Payne's sudden death led to an outpouring of grief from his family, friends and fans around the world.
His father Geoff is now in the Argentine capital Buenos Aires, and authorities are carrying out tests before allowing his body to be returned to the UK.
They are also reviewing phone, computer and security camera evidence to establish the full circumstances of his death.


But then paid for sex the minute she left

Who said he had paid for sex,seriously not heard that or is it media fodder ?

[arista]

Veteran foreign correspondent Michael Buerk has expressed his disapproval of the BBC’s extensive coverage of Liam Payne’s death.

The BBC journalist, 78, known for his landmark 1984 Six O’Clock News bulletin about the famine in Ethiopia that triggered the release of the charity single “Do They Know It’s Christmas”, and Bob Geldof’s 16-hour music marathon Live Aid, described Payne as a “drugged up, faded, boy band singer”.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Buerk claimed Payne’s death should not have been of such interest to any of the BBC news programmes, including Today and the 10 O’Clock News.

When asked how foreign reporting has changed since his Ethiopia report, the broadcaster said there was “more of an appetite for seriousness” at the height of his career and slammed the channel’s interest in Payne’s death.

“Last week, this programme decided that the most important thing that had happened in the world was that a drugged up faded boy band singer had fallen off a balcony,” he said.

“Even the 10 O’clock News, which is normally good on these things, thought it was the second most important thing that happened in the world.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/liam-payne-michael-buerk-death-bbc-b2634872.html

Does he have a point?


Yes even as it went Live as it came to 11PM
GBnewsHD has the great one hour Newspaper Review.
called "headliners"
All the papers ready and printed

I was shocked they stopped that.
with very little updates
non stop Liam images.

No one hour Newspaper Review
that night
on GBnewsHD

[user104658]

Veteran foreign correspondent Michael Buerk has expressed his disapproval of the BBC’s extensive coverage of Liam Payne’s death.

The BBC journalist, 78, known for his landmark 1984 Six O’Clock News bulletin about the famine in Ethiopia that triggered the release of the charity single “Do They Know It’s Christmas”, and Bob Geldof’s 16-hour music marathon Live Aid, described Payne as a “drugged up, faded, boy band singer”.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Buerk claimed Payne’s death should not have been of such interest to any of the BBC news programmes, including Today and the 10 O’Clock News.

When asked how foreign reporting has changed since his Ethiopia report, the broadcaster said there was “more of an appetite for seriousness” at the height of his career and slammed the channel’s interest in Payne’s death.

“Last week, this programme decided that the most important thing that had happened in the world was that a drugged up faded boy band singer had fallen off a balcony,” he said.

“Even the 10 O’clock News, which is normally good on these things, thought it was the second most important thing that happened in the world.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/liam-payne-michael-buerk-death-bbc-b2634872.html

Does he have a point?

They didn't decide it was the most important thing that had happened in the world, they assessed that it was the thing people were most interested in hearing about.

There's a big difference, as we all well know.

[Kate!]

They didn't decide it was the most important thing that had happened in the world, they assessed that it was the thing people were most interested in hearing about.

There's a big difference, as we all well know.

100%

[Glenn.]

Veteran foreign correspondent Michael Buerk has expressed his disapproval of the BBC’s extensive coverage of Liam Payne’s death.

The BBC journalist, 78, known for his landmark 1984 Six O’Clock News bulletin about the famine in Ethiopia that triggered the release of the charity single “Do They Know It’s Christmas”, and Bob Geldof’s 16-hour music marathon Live Aid, described Payne as a “drugged up, faded, boy band singer”.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Buerk claimed Payne’s death should not have been of such interest to any of the BBC news programmes, including Today and the 10 O’Clock News.

When asked how foreign reporting has changed since his Ethiopia report, the broadcaster said there was “more of an appetite for seriousness” at the height of his career and slammed the channel’s interest in Payne’s death.

“Last week, this programme decided that the most important thing that had happened in the world was that a drugged up faded boy band singer had fallen off a balcony,” he said.

“Even the 10 O’clock News, which is normally good on these things, thought it was the second most important thing that happened in the world.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/liam-payne-michael-buerk-death-bbc-b2634872.html

Does he have a point?

He described him perfectly

[bots]

the news has become a soap opera. I switched on bbc when news of the israel strike came in and they were showing some mundane topic that no-one gave a crap about

[Crimson Dynamo]

I never watch carefully curated agenda-driven news such as the BBC

hideous

[user104658]

the news has become a soap opera. I switched on bbc when news of the israel strike came in and they were showing some mundane topic that no-one gave a crap about

The rise of doom-scrolling sadly means that bombs and missile strikes are mundane topics that no one realistically gives a crap about. People are blown to bits every day. Well-known celebrities - young ones, anyway - don't die all that often.

It may not be bigger news but it's certainly less humdrum.

Unfortunately.

[Cherie]

Liam Payne’s first posthumous release will arrive this Friday, less than two weeks after the former One Direction star died suddenly aged 31.

The track, titled “Do No Wrong”, was a collaboration between Payne and Grammy-winning producer Sam Pounds.

Pounds announced the forthcoming release on social media, calling it a tribute to the late singer’s spirit as he shared a message to Payne’s family and fans.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/liam-payne-s-first-posthumous-single-to-be-released/ar-AA1t7DE6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f3b9e3c565d84068838f9494f23da900&ei=17


popping this in here rather than the Tribute thread, feels like tasteless cashing in to me rather than a tribute but what do I know

[Vanessa]

Liam Payne’s first posthumous release will arrive this Friday, less than two weeks after the former One Direction star died suddenly aged 31.

The track, titled “Do No Wrong”, was a collaboration between Payne and Grammy-winning producer Sam Pounds.

Pounds announced the forthcoming release on social media, calling it a tribute to the late singer’s spirit as he shared a message to Payne’s family and fans.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/liam-payne-s-first-posthumous-single-to-be-released/ar-AA1t7DE6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f3b9e3c565d84068838f9494f23da900&ei=17


popping this in here rather than the Tribute thread, feels like tasteless cashing in to me rather than a tribute but what do I know
They could maybe do this for charity?

[Cherie]

They could maybe do this for charity?

Maybe not mentioned in the article though, says its a tribute to Liam and his fans

[Vanessa]

Maybe not mentioned in the article though, says its a tribute to Liam and his fans

Oh ok.

[Mystic Mock]

Veteran foreign correspondent Michael Buerk has expressed his disapproval of the BBC’s extensive coverage of Liam Payne’s death.

The BBC journalist, 78, known for his landmark 1984 Six O’Clock News bulletin about the famine in Ethiopia that triggered the release of the charity single “Do They Know It’s Christmas”, and Bob Geldof’s 16-hour music marathon Live Aid, described Payne as a “drugged up, faded, boy band singer”.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Buerk claimed Payne’s death should not have been of such interest to any of the BBC news programmes, including Today and the 10 O’Clock News.

When asked how foreign reporting has changed since his Ethiopia report, the broadcaster said there was “more of an appetite for seriousness” at the height of his career and slammed the channel’s interest in Payne’s death.

“Last week, this programme decided that the most important thing that had happened in the world was that a drugged up faded boy band singer had fallen off a balcony,” he said.

“Even the 10 O’clock News, which is normally good on these things, thought it was the second most important thing that happened in the world.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/liam-payne-michael-buerk-death-bbc-b2634872.html

Does he have a point?

Michael's Surname is very apt here imo.

[user104658]

Liam Payne’s first posthumous release will arrive this Friday, less than two weeks after the former One Direction star died suddenly aged 31.

The track, titled “Do No Wrong”, was a collaboration between Payne and Grammy-winning producer Sam Pounds.

Pounds announced the forthcoming release on social media, calling it a tribute to the late singer’s spirit as he shared a message to Payne’s family and fans.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/liam-payne-s-first-posthumous-single-to-be-released/ar-AA1t7DE6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f3b9e3c565d84068838f9494f23da900&ei=17


popping this in here rather than the Tribute thread, feels like tasteless cashing in to me rather than a tribute but what do I know

I don't think the idea is totally horrendous but I think it's far too soon for something like this - probably better left for something like a year.

Especially given the circumstances aren't even known re: was it mental health related, suicide, an "accident" (I say in quotes because I strongly suspect it was an accidental death, but I wouldn't call it random, it was effectively caused by him being heavily under the influence of various substances).

On that note.

I have (unfortunately, wish I hadn't) seen the full uncensored pictures of the aftermath/body, which are very much out there on the internet. Having seen them I am at this point 99% sure he didn't commit suicide. He's wearing a bag over his shoulder and also there's what appears to be a piece of railing or similar in his hand... I honestly think he was trying to climb over for whatever reason (very drunk/high/wasted) and whatever he was holding onto has snapped off in his hand.

Ultimately though I don't think it's any different to, say, a drugs overdose. Cause of death was (rather clearly, unfortunately) head injury from the fall, but really the cause is the state he was in at the time.

If it's any "comfort" to anyone - it looks like he would have died "on impact" and probably had no time to even know what was happening.

[Cherie]

I don't think the idea is totally horrendous but I think it's far too soon for something like this - probably better left for something like a year.

Especially given the circumstances aren't even known re: was it mental health related, suicide, an "accident" (I say in quotes because I strongly suspect it was an accidental death, but I wouldn't call it random, it was effectively caused by him being heavily under the influence of various substances).

On that note.

I have (unfortunately, wish I hadn't) seen the full uncensored pictures of the aftermath/body, which are very much out there on the internet. Having seen them I am at this point 99% sure he didn't commit suicide. He's wearing a bag over his shoulder and also there's what appears to be a piece of railing or similar in his hand... I honestly think he was trying to climb over for whatever reason (very drunk/high/wasted) and whatever he was holding onto has snapped off in his hand.

Ultimately though I don't think it's any different to, say, a drugs overdose. Cause of death was (rather clearly, unfortunately) head injury from the fall, but really the cause is the state he was in at the time.

If it's any "comfort" to anyone - it looks like he would have died "on impact" and probably had no time to even know what was happening.

oh that is a grim read


Today I’m deciding to hold “ Do No Wrong” and leave those liberties up to all family members. I want all proceeds go to a charity of their choosing (or however they desire). Even though we all love the song it’s not the time yet. We are all still mourning the passing of Liam and I want the family to morn in peace and in prayer. We will all wait. With love Sam Pounds.


He decided to postpone due to family concerns...the right decision

[Ammi]

…QB, do you think that you could put a spoiler on that, it’s quite graphic and those pics are not something that everyone would want to see or have in any way described in any detail…

[Glenn.]

Liam Payne’s first posthumous release will arrive this Friday, less than two weeks after the former One Direction star died suddenly aged 31.

The track, titled “Do No Wrong”, was a collaboration between Payne and Grammy-winning producer Sam Pounds.

Pounds announced the forthcoming release on social media, calling it a tribute to the late singer’s spirit as he shared a message to Payne’s family and fans.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/liam-payne-s-first-posthumous-single-to-be-released/ar-AA1t7DE6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f3b9e3c565d84068838f9494f23da900&ei=17


popping this in here rather than the Tribute thread, feels like tasteless cashing in to me rather than a tribute but what do I know

Very tasteless cash grab considering he was dropped

[Kate!]

Yeah, it's not a cash grab if you can be bothered to read it properly, or stop just hearing what you want to hear? It has been postponed and will be for charity.

[Glenn.]

But it was originally though right until everyone said how tasteless it was.

His record company didn’t think he was good enough to continue with him so thought they could cash in

[Glenn.]

CCTV has apparently confirmed that he didn’t commit suicide. Hasn’t been released but it seems that he was so out of his face he fainted and fell.

[bots]

there really isn't money in releasing a single for whatever reason any more. Performers only make their money from live performance. The days of a single being released for charity etc are long gone

[user104658]

…QB, do you think that you could put a spoiler on that, it’s quite graphic and those pics are not something that everyone would want to see or have in any way described in any detail…

I don't mean to be harsh Ammi but no, a graphic description is not a graphic image and we're all adults, and we're in the "serious news" section not Chat & Games.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't mean to be harsh Ammi but no, a graphic description is not a graphic image and we're all adults, and we're in the "serious news" section not Chat & Games.

agreed

[Cherie]

CCTV has apparently confirmed that he didn’t commit suicide. Hasn’t been released but it seems that he was so out of his face he fainted and fell.

That would marry up with him also falling over in the lobby, what I dont understand is how he was left alone, I thought he had people with him ...someone apologised for him in the lobby to a guest...poor guy a very sad ending for his family to now deal with

[user104658]

That would marry up with him also falling over in the lobby, what I dont understand is how he was left alone, I thought he had people with him ...someone apologised for him in the lobby to a guest...poor guy a very sad ending for his family to now deal with

I imagine he would have security with him but if he didn't want them actually in his room they wouldn't be able to insist. "Fainted" I suspect is a generous way of putting it, let's face it, he passed out from a combination of substances. From the sound of the emergency services call that's been leaked, staff were extremely worried before anything happened, specifically that he's gone to his room and that the room "has a balcony" ... from which I'd say safe to assume, he was falling over/passing out all over the lobby before heading up to the room.

It's an odd/poetic end given that he spoke years ago about developing a bad relationship with alcohol early in their touring career, specifically because of being "locked in a hotel room all evening with a mini bar".

[UserSince2005]

I think he commited suicide hes talked too much about wanting to die for it to just be an accident.

[Ammi]

I don't mean to be harsh Ammi but no, a graphic description is not a graphic image and we're all adults, and we're in the "serious news" section not Chat & Games.

…honestly if that’s your stance, it doesn’t matter…it wasn’t anything to do with which part of the forum it was posted in…no it wasn’t an image but it quite graphically described an image so it still plants that image with someone and there is a very young age limit to be a member of the forum which includes being a member in every section… so I didn’t think it was appropriate or necessary to post in view of that…some things can’t be ‘unseen’ even when the vision has been supplied with text rather than any other image…so spoilering gave a choice…I did think that you would understand but ….I mean, what else can I say…post in which ever way that you feel inclined to…but I will correct you and say that…no, we’re not all adults on this forum, that’s not a forum requirement….

[Ammi]

Liam Payne: Three charged in connection with death of One Direction star, prosecutor's office says…


Three people have been charged in connection with the death of One Direction star Liam Payne in Argentina, the public prosecutor's office in the country has said.

The 31-year-old pop star died after he fell from a third-floor balcony at the Casa Sur Hotel in Buenos Aires on 16 October.

The prosecutor ordered the arrest of the three and charged one with "abandonment of a person followed by death" and supplying drugs.

The suspect "accompanied the artist on a daily basis" during his stay in the Argentinian capital, according to a statement from the office of prosecutor Andres Esteban Madrea.

A hotel employee and a third person were charged with supplying drugs.

Prosecutors rule out 'self-harm'

The prosecutor's office also said there was nothing to indicate any third-party involvement in his death and ruled out "self-harm".

The statement said Payne did not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself from the fall, meaning it can be inferred he may have fallen "in a state of semi or total unconsciousness".

"Liam Payne was not fully conscious or was experiencing a state of noticeable decrease or loss of consciousness at the time of the fall", it said.

It added that would "rule out the possibility of a conscious or voluntary act" as "in the state he was in, he did not know what he was doing nor could he understand it".

The results of toxicology tests revealed in the moments before his death Payne had traces of alcohol, cocaine, and a prescription antidepressant in his body, it added.

Read more:
Liam Payne: A life in the spotlight
He had the X Factor, but where was the support?

The investigation continues, the statement said, with some of Payne's devices still being analysed.

It said the prosecutor's office had received several dozen testimonies, analysed more than 800 hours of video from security cameras and public roads, and conducted a "forensic extraction" of the contents of Payne's phone.

It said the investigation revealed "at least four supplies of narcotics".

According to the post-mortem examination, Payne died from "multiple" injuries and internal and external bleeding.

Argentine investigators found what appeared to be narcotics and alcohol strewn around broken objects and furniture in Payne's hotel room, leading the public prosecution to surmise he had suffered a substance abuse-induced breakdown around the time of his fall.

Nine raids were also ordered on properties in Buenos Aires.

Release of new song postponed

It comes after new music featuring vocals by Liam Payne had its release date postponed.

US singer and songwriter Sam Pounds, who collaborated with Payne on Do No Wrong, previously said the track would be out on 1 November, but has since said its release had been postponed because "it's not the time yet".

Last month Payne's girlfriend of two years, Kate Cassidy, revealed the couple had planned on getting married next year. The 25-year-old had been in Argentina with Payne until two days before his death.

[Cherie]

Liam Payne: Three charged in connection with death of One Direction star, prosecutor's office says…


Three people have been charged in connection with the death of One Direction star Liam Payne in Argentina, the public prosecutor's office in the country has said.

The 31-year-old pop star died after he fell from a third-floor balcony at the Casa Sur Hotel in Buenos Aires on 16 October.

The prosecutor ordered the arrest of the three and charged one with "abandonment of a person followed by death" and supplying drugs.

The suspect "accompanied the artist on a daily basis" during his stay in the Argentinian capital, according to a statement from the office of prosecutor Andres Esteban Madrea.

A hotel employee and a third person were charged with supplying drugs.

Prosecutors rule out 'self-harm'

The prosecutor's office also said there was nothing to indicate any third-party involvement in his death and ruled out "self-harm".

The statement said Payne did not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself from the fall, meaning it can be inferred he may have fallen "in a state of semi or total unconsciousness".

"Liam Payne was not fully conscious or was experiencing a state of noticeable decrease or loss of consciousness at the time of the fall", it said.

It added that would "rule out the possibility of a conscious or voluntary act" as "in the state he was in, he did not know what he was doing nor could he understand it".

The results of toxicology tests revealed in the moments before his death Payne had traces of alcohol, cocaine, and a prescription antidepressant in his body, it added.

Read more:
Liam Payne: A life in the spotlight
He had the X Factor, but where was the support?

The investigation continues, the statement said, with some of Payne's devices still being analysed.

It said the prosecutor's office had received several dozen testimonies, analysed more than 800 hours of video from security cameras and public roads, and conducted a "forensic extraction" of the contents of Payne's phone.

It said the investigation revealed "at least four supplies of narcotics".

According to the post-mortem examination, Payne died from "multiple" injuries and internal and external bleeding.

Argentine investigators found what appeared to be narcotics and alcohol strewn around broken objects and furniture in Payne's hotel room, leading the public prosecution to surmise he had suffered a substance abuse-induced breakdown around the time of his fall.

Nine raids were also ordered on properties in Buenos Aires.

Release of new song postponed

It comes after new music featuring vocals by Liam Payne had its release date postponed.

US singer and songwriter Sam Pounds, who collaborated with Payne on Do No Wrong, previously said the track would be out on 1 November, but has since said its release had been postponed because "it's not the time yet".

Last month Payne's girlfriend of two years, Kate Cassidy, revealed the couple had planned on getting married next year. The 25-year-old had been in Argentina with Payne until two days before his death.

Delighted someone who was paid to be with him is not going to get off scot free

[Kate!]

Delighted someone who was paid to be with him is not going to get off scot free

Same Cherie. Was the early hours of this morning when I read all this, and it makes it sadder than ever and goes a long way towards disputing Liam being a pathetic druggie and other uncharitable stuff that's been said about him. Vindication. He was preyed upon, he'd previously got clean. So something to be proud of. These vultures are all but capable of facilitating murder. Harsh? Not one bit. Throw away the key. And one of them being the person employed to so called look after him. Disgraceful. I doubt they have consciences in any way shape or form.

31. With his whole life ahead of him. This is and endless and senseless tragedy in every possible way. I'm sad all over again, heck I haven't stopped feeling sad from the very moment I first heard the news when I was in a state of utter shocked disbelief and deep sorrow.

This young man in particular meant a lot to me, and I'll openly share why. Because he's a similar age to my son, because he has a look of my son, a little physical resemblance. And his talent, its immense. I don't give two hoots that his record company dropped him. More fool them I say. Maybe they weren't able to milk him as much as they wanted to. Who knows?

From the moment he auditioned for the first time at the tender age of 14, Liam was something very special. He had it all, the voice, the cute fresh faced good looks, the attitude. He was so very humble. He took on board everything Simon said, and followed it to the letter. Went away and did his GCSE's. Came back and auditioned again at 16. The rest is history. One Direction were massive worldwide. Their flame burned brightly, they broke America, were popular globally and at home. Their fan base was out of this world, numbers wise. They disbanded at the ultimate peak of success to pursue solo projects, Liam's solo stuff was really good, his duet with Rita Ora was extremely beautiful. Nobody knew the struggles he was having behind the scenes for quite some time. Since his death the tributes have flooded in. I've read them all. He touched so many hearts and minds. I wish I'd been lucky enough to ever have personally met him and experienced the magic that would undoubtedly have brought me. God bless you Liam. Your light has been snuffed out far far too soon. I'll miss you forever.

Xxxxxxxx

[Glenn.]

He was still so high he fell off a balcony though…

I’m glad the ones that supplied the drugs are facing charges but let’s face it, he was a 31yr man, with his own mind. He chose to take the drugs.

[arista]

Yesterdays

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[Benjamin]

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

[arista]

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Of Course its his own doing

But Local Dealers for Junkies
must be arrested in that not-so-nice nation

[Cherie]

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Would you say the same about someone who had too much to drink, would you not keep an eye of them in case something happened to them? The guy said he left Liam chatting and joking in the lobby, but witnesses said he fell flat on his face and was agressive, and someone in his entourage apologised for his behaviour

[Benjamin]

Would you say the same about someone who had too much to drink, would you not keep an eye of them in case something happened to them? The guy said he left Liam chatting and joking in the lobby, but witnesses said he fell flat on his face and was agressive, and someone in his entourage apologised for his behaviour

I was talking about the drug suppliers.

Maybe when he left Liam he was joking and chatting? We don’t know that wasn’t true. People can turn quickly in their moods, especially on drugs.

But with a friend who’s had too much to drink it depends how bad they were. If they were clearly stumbling and falling then you’d put them in their room and then leave them. You wouldn’t expect them to climb on a balcony.

As sad as it is, Liam is responsible for his own death. He chose to take drugs and get on the balcony.

[Cherie]

I was talking about the drug suppliers.

Maybe when he left Liam he was joking and chatting? We don’t know that wasn’t true. People can turn quickly in their moods, especially on drugs.

But with a friend who’s had too much to drink it depends how bad they were. If they were clearly stumbling and falling then you’d put them in their room and then leave them. You wouldn’t expect them to climb on a balcony.

As sad as it is, Liam is responsible for his own death. He chose to take drugs and get on the balcony.

Well yes technically but the sad thing is if someone cared enough he might be alive, obviously if someone chokes on their own vomit after too much to drink they are responsible for their own death but if someone cared enough to keep an eye on them a life could have been saved, also we dont know what the relationship was with this guy, if he was paid to look after Liam there must be some culpability because he was **** as his job

As for drug dealers well yes they peddle death

[Glenn.]

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Completely agree.

He was 31. He didn’t need a babysitter.

[user104658]

if he was paid to look after Liam there must be some culpability because he was **** as his job


Not unless he was legally classed as a vulnerable adult, and even then, if the responsible person in question isn't a healthcare professional, whether or not they have any "real" responsibility is dubious at best.

Bottom line is, he was an adult with full capacity to act with autonomy, so while they could follow him and keep an eye on him in public, if he went into his room and said that he didn't want anyone to come in with him, there's not much anyone could realistically have done.

That said

I reckon his staff (and from the sounds of it, hotel staff) were providing/facilitating access to drugs etc. so that's another matter.

[Zizu]

Did anything come of Neil Horan publicly criticising/embarrassing Liam days before the tragedy

( from what I recall Liam went to one of Neil Horan’s concerts and was shown to be interacting with some of the fans - perfectly understandable surely ?

Immediately after images of the interaction appeared online / X .. Neil posted some very disparaging remarks aimed at poor Liam suggesting he was desperate for attention or similar .. )


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[Glenn.]

Did anything come of Neil Horan publicly criticising/embarrassing Liam days before the tragedy

( from what I recall Liam went to one of Neil Horan’s concerts and was shown to be interacting with some of the fans - perfectly understandable surely ?

Immediately after images of the interaction appeared online / X .. Neil posted some very disparaging remarks aimed at poor Liam suggesting he was desperate for attention or similar .. )


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He was doing in authorised meet and greets outside the venue and tried making about himself inside the arena while Niall was performing.

Harry Styles watched the concert away from the audience to not take any attention from Niall.

[Zizu]

He was doing in authorised meet and greets outside the venue and tried making about himself inside the arena while Niall was performing.

Harry Styles watched the concert away from the audience to not take any attention from Niall.


Interesting


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[Glenn.]

He was a very arrogant man.

His disastrous interview where he talked about someone laying their hands on him was hilarious and cringe.

[Kate!]

Funny that how every single tribute to him..... and there were tons of them....say the exact opposite of him being in anyway arrogant.

He did a hell of a lot for charities, giving something back, to the tune of thousands upon thousands of pounds. But let's ignore all that and slam a dead young man eh?

Not an ounce of compassion some people.

[Glenn.]

He was extremely arrogant.
Arrogantly tried to hijack his friends concert by doing unofficial meet and greets and had to be asked to stop by Nialls security team.
And arrogantly took a cocktail of drugs he thought he could handle and fell off a balcony.
Arrogantly gave an interview where he embarrassed himself because it was so cringe.

Arrogant.

You have the likes of Rita Ora who is as about as relevant as Liam Paynes solo career crying about him at the awards last night or the other night whenever it was. It’s all so very cringe.

[Ninastar]

I thought he did a really solid Gandalf impersonation

[Niamh.]

Closing this for 24 hours so you two can cool off

[Glenn.]

I thought he did a really solid Gandalf impersonation

Must have missed that

[Ammi]

…(…I think..)…that it might be Liam’s funeral today…

[Strictly Jake]

Yeah it was Liam's funeral today. My heart is with his parents having to say goodbye. Heartbreaking

[Zizu]

Nial must still regret being so cruel towards Liam days before his death … pity they didn’t get time to sort out their differences


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[UserSince2005]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14067699/Liam-Paynes-alleged-drug-dealer-speaks-time.html

Poor Liam could deal with being gay?

'We spent the night together, we consumed drugs because the truth is that something intimate happened, he said.

[UserSince2005]

Nial must still regret being so cruel towards Liam days before his death … pity they didn’t get time to sort out their differences


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wot he do? spill the goss

[Glenn.]

Nial must still regret being so cruel towards Liam days before his death … pity they didn’t get time to sort out their differences


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Liam shouldn’t have been so arrogant to try and make his ex band mates concert about himself. He was cringe.

Feel for his family having to say goodbye.

[Zizu]

Liam shouldn’t have been so arrogant to try and make his ex band mates concert about himself. He was cringe.

Feel for his family having to say goodbye.


Pretty sure Liam was in a bad state by then and probably wasn’t thinking straight


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[Glenn.]

Pretty sure Liam was in a bad state by then and probably wasn’t thinking straight


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He had a history of being cringe

[UserSince2005]

was he gay though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

welp

:shocked:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14114935/picture-Liam-Payne-alive-saved-really-happened.html

[UserSince2005]

welp

:shocked:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14114935/picture-Liam-Payne-alive-saved-really-happened.html

I have to subscribe?

[Cherie]

welp

:shocked:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14114935/picture-Liam-Payne-alive-saved-really-happened.html

can you copy and paste as I cant see the article please

[user104658]

Oh wait I was wrong in the other thread LT you do have more going on than just TiBB.

You also have a Daily Mail sub.

I guess sometimes this place does make my day :joker:.

[arista]

can you copy and paste as I cant see the article please


Yes DailyMail+
costs cash to view.

[user104658]

Yes DailyMail+
costs cash to view.

Yes arista but it's cheaper than pornhub premium and serves the same function for some people. Don't judge.

[arista]

Yes arista but it's cheaper than pornhub premium and serves the same function for some people. Don't judge.


I have posted loads of Photos
from Daily Mail +

You just have to be fast

It takes a few seconds to find out
you ain't paying them..................

[Cherie]

I have posted loads of Photos
from Daily Mail +

You just have to be fast

It takes a few seconds to find out
you ain't paying them..................

yeah I can see it, it just disappears before I can copy and paste it

[Ammi]

…I think that this is the YouTube version/narration of the story given to the DM……./…the gist of it…


ICkw2pPuPJY

[Cherie]

Said it before and will say it again, he was in no fit state to be left on his own, and the duty of care towards another human being was pretty shocking

tx Ammi btw

[Kazanne]

Personally i don't believe all the media and tabloid gossip, tbh. no one knows what went on and it really isn't nice for his relatives to keep hashing things up that can only be speculation or hearsay, he has gone so imo he should be allowed to rest in peace and his family left to grieve privately.i do agree with Cherie though,it's shocking he was left alone if he was "out of it" he should have had someone with him until he was fully aware.

[Zizu]

Said it before and will say it again, he was in no fit state to be left on his own, and the duty of care towards another human being was pretty shocking

tx Ammi btw


Maybe he’d unwittingly/ unknowingly forced all his friends away over time ..?


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[Kazanne]

Maybe he’d unwittingly/ unknowingly forced all his friends away over time ..?


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If someone is distressed friend or no friend you do not leave them alone.

[Zizu]

If someone is distressed friend or no friend you do not leave them alone.


If he was already alone though ??

He was by himself at Niall’s concert apparently for example


Just speculating that maybe he’d forced any friends away by his behaviour


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[Cherie]

Maybe he’d unwittingly/ unknowingly forced all his friends away over time ..?


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I am talking about the hotel staff 3 of them who are carrying him into the lift, you can see in the video Ammi posted how he was being carried, he is not exactly in a fit state

[Zizu]

I am talking about the hotel staff 3 of them who are carrying him into the lift, you can see in the video Ammi posted how he was being carried, he is not exactly in a fit state


Fair enough


There is the possibility that he simply ordered them all away in a fit of anger


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[Kazanne]

Fair enough


There is the possibility that he simply ordered them all away in a fit of anger


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And a possibility he was not compos mentis enough to decide that, myself i would have just gone with him and had him watched.

[Zizu]

And a possibility he was not compos mentis enough to decide that, myself i would have just gone with him and had him watched.


Yeah but hotel staff are gonna do what their client says surely .. he had a fortune of over £30 million apparently so he would be in the best rooms and regarded as an important customer who gets what he wants..

I would think

[bots]

I don't know what the legalities are of forced hospitalisation, let alone how they apply in a foreign country, but that would have been what i expected in a case like this

[Kate!]

I don't know what the legalities are of forced hospitalisation, let alone how they apply in a foreign country, but that would have been what i expected in a case like this

If he'd been in this country they'd have had him sectioned for his own safety.

[Abra]

Said it before and will say it again, he was in no fit state to be left on his own, and the duty of care towards another human being was pretty shocking

tx Ammi btw

I'm not really aware of the details of the full story, but was he completely on his own on the trip? I find it surprising if he didn't have an assistant and/or a security guard with him. I know his girlfriend had left a couple of days earlier, maybe he seemed fine at that time and they could never have imagined what was about to happen.

I also wonder if the drugs were sourced after his girlfriend had left and returned to America.

[Kate!]

I'm not really aware of the details of the full story, but was he completely on his own on the trip? I find it surprising if he didn't have an assistant and/or a security guard with him. I know his girlfriend had left a couple of days earlier, maybe he seemed fine at that time and they could never have imagined what was about to happen.

I also wonder if the drugs were sourced after his girlfriend had left and returned to America.

He did have an assistant yes. They left him on his own.

[Abra]

He did have an assistant yes. They left him on his own.

Are they one of the people who have been questioned in regards to where the drugs came from? He obviously didn't arrange it by himself.

[Kate!]

Are they one of the people who have been questioned in regards to where the drugs came from? He obviously didn't arrange it by himself.

Yes you are correct.

[Glenn.]

He was probably left to sober up. Like it’s been said before, he was 31. He didn’t need a babysitter.

[Zizu]

So sad

https://youtube.com/shorts/nM1hcAoZIgQ?si=M7KMJOs57-zpOZCr


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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4hv1fKQIAFAiNB8gdyawTsmk5SUbNf jTxtg&s

The girlfriend of Liam Payne has been left devastated and infuriated after shocking new CCTV footage emerged of the One Direction star moments before his death.

The video showed two staff members and a man carry the seemingly unconscious singer through the CasaSur Palermo Hotel lobby in Argentina on October 16.

Two men can be seen holding Payne's tattooed arms, while another person held his legs as they appeared to rush him out of the lobby of the main building.

It would be another 13 minutes later before the 31-year-old fell to his death.

[Zizu]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4hv1fKQIAFAiNB8gdyawTsmk5SUbNf jTxtg&s

The girlfriend of Liam Payne has been left devastated and infuriated after shocking new CCTV footage emerged of the One Direction star moments before his death.

The video showed two staff members and a man carry the seemingly unconscious singer through the CasaSur Palermo Hotel lobby in Argentina on October 16.

Two men can be seen holding Payne's tattooed arms, while another person held his legs as they appeared to rush him out of the lobby of the main building.

It would be another 13 minutes later before the 31-year-old fell to his death.


I haven’t paid too much attention to this matter .. presumably there was an enquiry as to how he was when they left him alone ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I haven’t paid too much attention to this matter .. presumably there was an enquiry as to how he was when they left him alone ??


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That would be my question, you do not leave an unconscious human all alone in a hotel room?

if they did then they are (hotel) in a lot of trouble

[arista]

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[Jessica.]

Very nice that it goes to his son.

[arista]

Very nice that it goes to his son.


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[thesheriff443]

He died without out a will so the law says it goes to his son but I think his parents should get at least half

[Niamh.]

Very nice that it goes to his son.

Yeah, it's only right really, poor kid has to grow up without his dad now

[Glenn.]

Irresponsible for him to not have a will

[Niamh.]

Irresponsible for him to not have a will

It's odd he didn't considering his wealth, im sure he has to have had a Solicitor. I think it's right though his son inherits his fortune considering he now will grow up without a father

[Glenn.]

It's odd he didn't considering his wealth, im sure he has to have had a Solicitor. I think it's right though his son inherits his fortune considering he now will grow up without a father


Think he was just too arrogant to not have one. Also immature.

[thesheriff443]

It's odd he didn't considering his wealth, im sure he has to have had a Solicitor. I think it's right though his son inherits his fortune considering he now will grow up without a father

What about liams parents bears gran and grandad
They have lost a son
It’s not like bears mum hasn’t got any money and there no guarantee the son won’t turn to drugs like his father
He is only 8 so can’t really say what he will spend it on for many years and yet liams parents are getting older and would benefit from some of that money

I very much doubt Liam would of not given anything to his parents
It’s seems very unfair

[AnnieK]

Cheryl has POA and has said it will be in trust for Bear till he's 25. I am sure she won't see her sons grandparents destitute

[Niamh.]

What about liams parents bears gran and grandad

They have lost a son

It’s not like bears mum hasn’t got any money and there no guarantee the son won’t turn to drugs like his father

He is only 8 so can’t really say what he will spend it on for many years and yet liams parents are getting older and would benefit from some of that money



I very much doubt Liam would of not given anything to his parents

It’s seems very unfairI'm sure Liam had already made sure his parents were secure, it's perfectly normal for a parents children to inherite their parents estate

[thesheriff443]

I'm sure Liam had already made sure his parents were secure, it's perfectly normal for a parents children to inherite their parents estate

He didn’t decide that the law of the land decided that

We will never know what he actually wanted

1 million in the banks gets 8 grand of interest on it a month

His parents should get something

[thesheriff443]

Cheryl has POA and has said it will be in trust for Bear till he's 25. I am sure she won't see her sons grandparents destitute

Only if she gives them her money
Bears money is in a trust and can’t be touched and can only be spent on bear

[Niamh.]

He didn’t decide that the law of the land decided that



We will never know what he actually wanted



1 million in the banks gets 8 grand of interest on it a month



His parents should get somethingI mean most parents would leave everything to their children anyway. You seem to be taking it very personally [emoji23]

[thesheriff443]

I mean most parents would leave everything to their children anyway. You seem to be taking it very personally [emoji23]

Don’t start with that bollox of me taking it personally

I’m giving my opinion on the situation it’s not like I’ve been left out of the will
We will leave it there on this subject tats on a bb forum.

[Niamh.]

Don’t start with that bollox of me taking it personally



I’m giving my opinion on the situation it’s not like I’ve been left out of the will

We will leave it there on this subject tats on a bb forum.:joker:

[AnnieK]

Only if she gives them her money
Bears money is in a trust and can’t be touched and can only be spent on bear

Bear will be able to give them some when he comes of age. Fair or not, we have no idea what Liam would have done had he left a will...its a very sad situation

[bots]

unless he is sending a few quid my way, i couldn't care less :laugh:

[Ammi]

…I feel as though that type of inheritance would/could be a ‘curse’ as well for Bear in considering friendships etc and whether intentions/bonds with him come from a genuine place…a blessing and a curse inherited situation, maybe….

[thesheriff443]

Bear will be able to give them some when he comes of age. Fair or not, we have no idea what Liam would have done had he left a will...its a very sad situation

That’s 17 years away
It is a sad situation because having that money my not be in his best interests

[thesheriff443]

unless he is sending a few quid my way, i couldn't care less :laugh:

That’s the Scottish in you coming out