Omg. I'm devastated. Liam Payne has died. (One Direction singer)

[Kate!]

There are no words to express how I'm feeling right now. I feel like I've been hit with a ton of bricks. Josiah just broke the news to me that Liam Payne is dead. He fell from his hotel balcony.

I adored him, I'm not exaggerating. I'm seriously in full on mourning.

He was so young!! With a young child of his own, Bear with Cheryl Cole.

I'm so numb right now.

RIP Liam.

[Saph]

Just saw this, so confused thinking it was a joke

Rip

[MTVN]

What the hell??

That is really shocking

[Ray.]

Wow that's quite a shocker. I didn't like his music or anything, but wow it only feels like yesterday I was watching him audition on The X Factor. Very discomforting news. He wasn't much older than me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wtf??

[thesheriff443]

That’s made me feel numb

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fell off a balcony

[Benjamin]

Suicide?

[rusticgal]

Oh god…that’s tragic.

[hijaxers]

Fell off a balcony

You don't just fall off a balcony , must be more to this shock death.

[Kazanne]

Yes just heard about this,very sad news

[thesheriff443]

Drink or drugs involved or both I’m afraid

[Crimson Dynamo]

In Argentina

[UserSince2005]

literally just saw him do a silly dance on tiktok, someone making fun of him.

[UserSince2005]

seen a lot of him on tiktok with his girlfriend in argentina acting strange

[Ray.]

You don't just fall off a balcony , must be more to this shock death.

He might've been balconing. Holidayers are always doing it down that way in South America

[Benjamin]

Shouldn’t this be in Music?

[ThomasC]

Omg, fell from a hotel building!!!!

[joeysteele]

What a massive shock.
Stunned.
R.I.P.

[Kate!]

Shouldn’t this be in Music?

Oh idk. Maybe yes. Could it please be moved?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shouldn’t this be in Music?

Of course not

Serious debates

[Benjamin]

Oh idk. Maybe yes. Could it please be moved?

I thought remembrance was more for TiBB members.

[ThomasC]

Didn't see there was already a thread.

He was a very troubled soul unfortunately. Deeply troubled.

Very sad

[Vanessa]

Aw that's really sad.

[UserSince2005]

poor little bear. wonder if he ever saw him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His poor son and Cheryl

[Kate!]

And the other One Direction lads too.

Devastating all round

[Quantum Boy]

It's looking extremely likely that he jumped rather than fell.

[Mystic Mock]

That's tragic, I always remember him as a teenager on The X Factor trying to carve a career for himself.

In a way him and the rest of the 1D were inspiration for many young guys back then.

RIP

[Ray.]

In a way him and the rest of the 1D were inspiration for many young guys back then.

RIP

Please, Mock, don't speak ill of the dead. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reports of a man in the hotel smashing up a laptop seemingly under the influence according to sky news prior...

[Mystic Mock]

Please, Mock, don't speak ill of the dead. :hehe:

:laugh:

But seriously, there would've been a lot of young guys back then were aspiring singers, that would've felt more bold to chase their dream after 1D's success.

[ThomasC]

Oh god, don't know whether it's real, but just went on Twitter and clicked on a video where he jumps out of a window

[Quantum Boy]

Oh god, don't know whether it's real, but just went on Twitter and clicked on a video where he jumps out of a window

TMZ def has a picture of his body at least and has released "glimpses" of it (not full pic). Grim.

[Glenn.]

He was issued legal action after harassing his ex girlfriend a couple of days ago.

[jet]

So sad, he is so young. An awful tragedy. :sad:

[Josiah.]

Argentinian authorities have already said it was an accident. Stop speculating about drugs and alcohol…

[ThomasC]

TMZ def has a picture of his body at least and has released "glimpses" of it (not full pic). Grim.

I don't think the video is real that I saw, but I've seen the TMZ picture.

He was behaving erratically in the lobby of the hotel apparently, smashed a laptop and there is pictures of drugs in his apartment.

So sad he couldn't see another way out.

I've seen him spoke about fame before and how damaging it has been for him

[ThomasC]

Argentinian authorities have already said it was an accident. Stop speculating about drugs and alcohol…

Do you have a source?

[Benjamin]

Argentinian authorities have already said it was an accident. Stop speculating about drugs and alcohol…

They won’t know this until an autopsy is done.

[UserSince2005]

Happened in Palermo. I always stay there when I’m in BA.

[ThomasC]

They won’t know this until an autopsy is done.

Exactly and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to put two and two together. His ex was getting lawyers involved
Numerous witnesses saying he was behaving erratically, drugs in his apartment

[Ray.]

I see Benjamin got the thread moved from remembrance. Can't have someone overshadowing Ben before he even passes. :p

[Benjamin]

I see Benjamin got the thread moved from remembrance. Can't have someone overshadowing Ben before he even passes. :p

Remembrance is for TiBB members to be remembered. :tongue:

Hadn’t been in there in a while. Kerry. :(

[rusticgal]

Well whatever the circumstances…it’s a tragedy.

[UserSince2005]

Maybe he was pushed!?!?

[ThomasC]

I remember being very young and watching them on X Factor

[Redway]

Drink or drugs involved or both I’m afraid

Could be, could be suicide. Either way, RIP to the poor bloke.

[Zizu]

Didn't see there was already a thread.

He was a very troubled soul unfortunately. Deeply troubled.

Very sad


Blimey

I thought he had everything .,

Married to the gorgeous Cheryl Cole , had a child with her , £30 million in the bank ..


I did wonder if he envies the the success Harry Styles was experiencing ..


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[GoldHeart]

How horrible and a real shock. Only in his 30s .

R.I.P.

How old is his son now? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remember when Will Mith punched Chris rock and he did that coked up interview

[thesheriff443]

Could be, could be suicide. Either way, RIP to the poor bloke.

No , it’s been reported at one point he had to be carried back to his room

[GoldHeart]

I don't think the video is real that I saw, but I've seen the TMZ picture.

He was behaving erratically in the lobby of the hotel apparently, smashed a laptop and there is pictures of drugs in his apartment.

So sad he couldn't see another way out.

I've seen him spoke about fame before and how damaging it has been for him

I had no idea about his troubles or state of mind , awful if
it's suicide. It sounds like it.

[Redway]

No , it’s been reported at one point he had to be carried back to his room

Could be an intentional overdose. Pregabalin and vodka might be involved. Maybe lithium. Maybe any substance on God’s green Earth. So many maybes. We just don’t know.

[ThomasC]

Blimey

I thought he had everything .,

Married to the gorgeous Cheryl Cole , had a child with her , £30 million in the bank ..


I did wonder if he envies the the success Harry Styles was experiencing ..


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Ahhhhghhhh, you see, money doesn't make you happy. If you haven't got your health you haven't got anything.

I am so sad for him. He openly discussed his mental health issues.

No I don't think he did envy the success of others, I think if anything he just wishes he could go back to being a 'normal person'.

Fame came at a huge cost and he pretty much said this on a podcast he did with Steven Bartlett.

[thesheriff443]

Argentinian authorities have already said it was an accident. Stop speculating about drugs and alcohol…

Er no it’s been reported

[Barry.]

Rip to Liam. Thoughts go out to Cheryl and Bear

[ThomasC]

That's tragic, I always remember him as a teenager on The X Factor trying to carve a career for himself.

In a way him and the rest of the 1D were inspiration for many young guys back then.

RIP

Yes, it formed a lot of people's childhoods.

I remember being very young g and watching them every week on x factor

[thesheriff443]

It’s one of those times when you think what a if he never made it on X factor

[ThomasC]

Liam Payne “had thrown himself from the balcony of his room,” according to a spokesperson from the Security Ministry of Buenos Aires municipality who issued a statement to AP. He says police were called in response to “an aggressive man who could be under the influence of drugs or alcohol.”

[ThomasC]

It’s one of those times when you think what a if he never made it on X factor

Indeed.

He was just a child and then shot to fame. Huge, huge fame. He lost himself in that. He would never be the same again

[Kazanne]

How horrible and a real shock. Only in his 30s .

R.I.P.

How old is his son now? .

His son Is 7 now

[Kate!]

Liam Payne “had thrown himself from the balcony of his room,” according to a spokesperson from the Security Ministry of Buenos Aires municipality who issued a statement to AP. He says police were called in response to “an aggressive man who could be under the influence of drugs or alcohol.”

Oh no. Absolutely dreadful. My heart goes out to him.

[Ray.]

It’s one of those times when you think what a if he never made it on X factor

Yeah I found myself thinking that when Bruce Forsyth died.

[thesheriff443]

Yeah I found myself thinking that when Bruce Forsyth died.

I bet you are still in therapy

[arista]

Suicide?


could be?

[GoldHeart]

His son Is 7 now

Very sad tragedy , poor kid.

Sounds like Liam had alot of issues going on ,if it's true about alcohol & drugs.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/16/23/90945435-0-image-m-14_1729117675340.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, it formed a lot of people's childhoods.

I remember being very young g and watching them every week on x factor

I always remember rooting against them.:laugh:

Obviously that's really daft looking back on it.

[Zizu]

Very sad tragedy , poor kid.

Sounds like Liam had alot of issues going on ,if it's true about alcohol & drugs.


I always thought it was Zayn with the problems


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[arista]

His 2nd Recording was Shelved

[caprimint]

RIP Liam :( It's so sad that this happened whether it was accidental or suicide. So sad for Cheryl and his son too </3

[GoldHeart]

I always thought it was Zayn with the problems


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I was never fully aware of any of their problems or issues, but behind the scenes/ in their personal lives ... there can be so much going on.

[Glenn.]

Ahhhhghhhh, you see, money doesn't make you happy. If you haven't got your health you haven't got anything.

I am so sad for him. He openly discussed his mental health issues.

No I don't think he did envy the success of others, I think if anything he just wishes he could go back to being a 'normal person'.

Fame came at a huge cost and he pretty much said this on a podcast he did with Steven Bartlett.

He definitely envied the others. He release flop after flop. He went to see Niall in concert and was doing a weird unauthorised meet and greet with his fans outside the venue. Security had to tell him to stop. Compare that to Harry Styles who also went to support Niall but chose to do so in a private room as to not try to steal his thunder so to speak.

[Kate!]

Let's not be negative about him please. Sincerely.

He's died.

[arista]

Let's not be negative about him please. Sincerely.

He's died.


His 2nd recording was Shelved
is a important point.


He spent all that time and it could not be released


Nothing negative
Just facts.

[Glenn.]

He made his 19yr old ex get an abortion too then harassed her to the point she had to seek legal help.

He was a very troubled man

[Redway]

could be?

It is.

[Glenn.]

Fans are now hounding his exes social media.
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[arista]

He was in Argentina for a Holiday
and attending a Concert of a former member

[Alf]

1846726113999180106The fact he seems calm and with his family here tells me that he doesn't seem suicidal. And the fact he's in Argentina tells me, he's trying to escape people.


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[Alf]

He was probably gonna speak out, maybe about Diddy or others, so they killed him.

You've witnessed them try to kill Trump, so don't be shocked at that claim.

[arista]

He was probably gonna speak out, maybe about Diddy or others, so they killed him.

You've witnessed them try to kill Trump, so don't be shocked at that claim.



They was no one else in his room
except his lady

[arista]

https://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/get_image.aspx?w=600&eid=c91d7959-db0e-4810-9032-4a97d197e14b&lm=10/17/2024%201:49:00%20AM

[Alf]

They was no one else in his room
except his ladyHave the forensics already got that information out to you, via the mainstream media? So there's no more speculation?

[arista]

Have the forensics already got that information out to you, via the mainstream media? So there's no more speculation?


USA Media has this information
Live on CNN HD USA

[Alf]

USA Media has this information
Live on CNN HD USAAnd you believe them?

[Alf]

Why would the media lie to you? What do they have to gain besides keeping their elite power and keeping in control of the narrative?

[arista]

And you believe them?


I trust the Reporter

[Alf]

USA Media has this information
Live on CNN HD USAThe same MSM that kept the George Floyd debacle going for months, even got footballers in England to get on their knees before a game. But the assassination attempt of a former President and running candidate for President didn't even last 14 days in their news narrative before they dropped that story.

I had to keep coming on this forum to remind you all that an assassination attempt happened on Trump less than a month after it happened.

[Kate!]

Cheers people for spoiling the thread.

Sigh.

[Alf]

Cheers people for spoiling the thread.

Sigh.This isn't about you or your thread.

A young man has lost his life. A young man that is very famous in modern popular culture. The general public are going to talk and speculate about that. It's bigger than you starting a thread. Deal with it.

[Strictly Jake]

Wow I'm so shocked to wake up to this!!

[AnnieK]

Wow....he sounds quite troubled recently. A terrible shock to hear.
Thoughts with his son and family

[Ammi]

…so very sad for his loved ones and for all of the fans of him personally and of the group…a huge shock and there has been a celebrity for so many of us whose death has felt quite impactful, especially when it’s so sudden and violent…so very sad…

[Nicky91]

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my fave song of his


RIP Liam :(



i'm not gonna speculate how he died, i find that disrespectful honestly


must've been quite a painful death too, falling from your balcony from so high to the ground :bawling:

[Ammi]

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[Kate!]

This isn't about you or your thread.

A young man has lost his life. A young man that is very famous in modern popular culture. The general public are going to talk and speculate about that. It's bigger than you starting a thread. Deal with it.

Yes he has. I woke up to it this morning and I'm upset all over again. Just been to the local shop and they were playing his music. I was all but crying right there.

I'm not talking about people speculating Alf, there's plenty of that in the thread already and I'm not objecting to it at all. But when people start being all unnecessary bringing up his exes and things he's done wrong, well that's speaking ill of the dead, also you trotting out utterly ridiculous theories is all kinds of wrong.

So no, I won't 'deal with it'. There's just no need.

[Kate!]

RQUuqbzQVsY

my fave song of his


RIP Liam :(



i'm not gonna speculate how he died, i find that disrespectful honestly


must've been quite a painful death too, falling from your balcony from so high to the ground :bawling:

1846683483453730997

Thank you Ammi and Nicky. Really lovely posts. I'm gonna have a quiet day at home today, I'm too upset to go out and do things. Some people might think I'm silly but it's hit me hard.

[Nicky91]

Thank you Ammi and Nicky. Really lovely posts. I'm gonna have a quiet day at home today, I'm too upset to go out and do things. Some people might think I'm silly but it's hit me hard.

i personally am not thinking that at all


i mean the MJ fans were the same when he died, same goes for the Elvis Presley fans the day he died

or the Whitney Houston fans when she died

and so on

[Kate!]

i personally am not thinking that at all


i mean the MJ fans were the same when he died, same goes for the Elvis Presley fans the day he died

or the Whitney Houston fans when she died

and so on

:hug: :bawling:

[ThomasC]

I always remember rooting against them.:laugh:

Obviously that's really daft looking back on it.

I didn't think they sounded great on. X Factor, but then their recording content was very good. Not really my music though

He definitely envied the others. He release flop after flop. He went to see Niall in concert and was doing a weird unauthorised meet and greet with his fans outside the venue. Security had to tell him to stop. Compare that to Harry Styles who also went to support Niall but chose to do so in a private room as to not try to steal his thunder so to speak.

Interesting take. With fake you can be at the top then you can be dropped like a hot potato

Fans are now hounding his exes social media.
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And here lies the problem. People make me sick

1846726113999180106The fact he seems calm and with his family here tells me that he doesn't seem suicidal. And the fact he's in Argentina tells me, he's trying to escape people.


1846719018763256142

This is really nieve. He looked calm so he's fine right?



He was probably gonna speak out, maybe about Diddy or others, so they killed him.

You've witnessed them try to kill Trump, so don't be shocked at that claim.

Oh FFS!!!!!! Really. Just bloody ridiculous

Cheers people for spoiling the thread.

Sigh.

I agree

Thank you Ammi and Nicky. Really lovely posts. I'm gonna have a quiet day at home today, I'm too upset to go out and do things. Some people might think I'm silly but it's hit me hard.

Bless you. Tbh, it has played on my mind a lot since I heard. I'm not invested in Liam or the band. Don't listen to their music, but they were part of my childhood just watching them on. X Factor. I just feel so sad for him that he felt he had no other way out. The thought of him jumping is just beyond horrible.

[Kate!]

I didn't think they sounded great on. X Factor, but then their recording content was very good. Not really my music though



Interesting take. With fake you can be at the top then you can be dropped like a hot potato



And here lies the problem. People make me sick





Oh FFS!!!!!! Really. Just bloody ridiculous



I agree



Bless you. Tbh, it has played on my mind a lot since I heard. I'm not invested in Liam or the band. Don't listen to their music, but they were part of my childhood just watching them on. X Factor. I just feel so sad for him that he felt he had no other way out. The thought of him jumping is just beyond horrible.

Oh thank you Thomas. Bless you too.

[Vanessa]

Wow....he sounds quite troubled recently. A terrible shock to hear.
Thoughts with his son and family

That's what I thought. Such a shame he didn't get the help he needed. I think men find it harder to talk about their problems.
So they usually keep everything inside.

[arista]

Police say his Girlfriend
left Argentina 2 days before this.

[Beso]

Sounds like a spur of the moment decision, probably made because if rage and drugs, wish I could say he will live to regret it, but unfortunately I cant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police say his Girlfriend
left Argentina 2 days before this.

I think that was his ex-girlfriend as she snapchatted with his current gf yesterday?

[arista]

I think that was his ex-girlfriend as she snapchatted with his current gf yesterday?


OK

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a51703f9-442f-4d8a-9478-8816741aaee3.png


3RD Reprint

[Crimson Dynamo]

That snapchat

Sitting at a huge table, miles from his gf. saying its a beautiful day outside (clearly grey and cloudy) sad face then smile, sad face then smile - having breakfast at 1pm (what did he do all day?)

Seems like drugs and drink became what he did in place of an actual job?

He posted an hour before his death " 'happy to have some time away' - away from what I wonder as he hasn't really done anything since that band split. I guess too many sycophants around him trying to get at his fame and money..

[Vanessa]

That snapchat

Sitting at a huge table, miles from his gf. saying its a beautiful day outside (clearly grey and cloudy) sad face then smile, sad face then smile - having breakfast at 1pm (what did he do all day?)

Seems like drugs and drink became what he did in place of an actual job?

He posted an hour before his death " 'happy to have some time away' - away from what I wonder as he hasn't really done anything since that band split. I guess too many sycophants around him trying to get at his fame and money..
He was a very rich man. Mostly from his One Direction days.
He doesn't look happy at all there sadly.

[ThomasC]

That snapchat

Sitting at a huge table, miles from his gf. saying its a beautiful day outside (clearly grey and cloudy) sad face then smile, sad face then smile - having breakfast at 1pm (what did he do all day?)

Seems like drugs and drink became what he did in place of an actual job?

He posted an hour before his death " 'happy to have some time away' - away from what I wonder as he hasn't really done anything since that band split. I guess too many sycophants around him trying to get at his fame and money..

I watched the video. A very unhappy soul.

I don't think he was happy at all imo.

[Jessica.]

So shocking, I wasn't really a fan of 1D but I always rooted for their success and I liked hearing about updates on the band members lives. Liam was younger than me, a very sad loss.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I watched the video. A very unhappy soul.

I don't think he was happy at all imo.

no that would be my take as well

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/02/90951021-0-image-m-28_1729129343190.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13968815/liam-payne-dead-hotel-police-update.html

[Kate!]

In the last hour, we've received audio of the emergency call placed last night by the hotel where Liam Payne was staying.

The exchange between the hotel desk manager and the 911 operator reveals the frantic exchanges in the moments before the star's death.

A full transcript of a translation of the call is below:

911 operator: "What is happening sir?"

Hotel manager: "We have a guest drunk with drugs and alcohol. When he [them, gender not clear in conversation] is conscious, he is breaking everything in the room."

911 operator: "You said alcohol and drugs..."

Hotel manager: "This is correct."

911 operator: "You said Costa Rica intersecting where?"

Hotel manager: "Costa Rica 6032."

911 operator: "Repeat."

Hotel manager: "Costa Rica 6032."

911 operator: "What is the hotel called?"

Hotel manager: "Caza Azul Palermo. We need to send someone with urgency because I don't know if the guest's life is in danger because he is in a room with balcony, and we are afraid he could do something that threatens life."

911 operator: "How long has he been there? Is it a long stay hotel?"

Hotel manager: "(The guest) has been for the past three days."

911 operator: "You don't any other information because you can't get in. Right?"

Hotel manager: "No."

911 operator: "We are also notifying SAME (Medical Emergency Attention Service)."

Hotel manager: "We are asking to send someone with urgency because..."

911 operator: "We are doing that. Any other data to give me. Who are you?"

Hotel manager: "I'm the desk manager."

911 operator: "Person in charge of the place."

Hotel manager - "Yes."

911 operator: "It has been notified. What is your name, sir?"

Hotel manager: "Esteban."

911 operator: "Thanks for calling. Be online."

Hotel manager: "Are you sending police too."

911 operator: "Police from the delegation... Let me confirm."

Hotel manager: "No, no, only SAME, only SAME (Medical Emergency Attention Service)."

911 operator: "Don't worry because they have already been notified."

Hotel manager: "Because as you said he is under the influence of alcohol and drugs, SAME personnel can't enter alone."

911 operator: "You can ask that to the police, but if SAME needs them, they will notify you."

Hotel manager: "Good, OK, perfect."

911 operator: "Have a good day."

Hotel manager: "Thanks, you too."

[smudgie]

Poor lad.
Depression, drugs and alcoholic don’t sit well together.
So young to die. R.I.P.

[Strictly Jake]

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This death has hit me pretty hard I won't lie. Think it's because I will always be such a massive x factor fan so I've followed his career for a long time. And he's a similar age to me. Its really tragic

[Quantum Boy]

1846726113999180106The fact he seems calm and with his family here tells me that he doesn't seem suicidal. And the fact he's in Argentina tells me, he's trying to escape people.

I strongly disagree Alf he's presenting in this video as quite troubled, "currently seeming calm" means nothing (although I wouldn't even say that's accurate, he seems tense). A lot of his recent videos have this energy.

Also they've just woken up and - by all accounts - Liam was suffering g with quite severe alcohol and (various) drug issues so at the time of the incident will have been in a very different state of mind.

I think it will either turn out to be an accident due to being erratic and extremely intoxicated, or an "unplanned" impulsive suicide (again while heavily intoxicated).

[Vanessa]

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This death has hit me pretty hard I won't lie. Think it's because I will always be such a massive x factor fan so I've followed his career for a long time. And he's a similar age to me. Its really tragic

Aww Jake bless you. Love this. It's so beautiful and sad :bawling:

[Quantum Boy]

He's also openly talked about previous episodes of suicidal ideation and has had recent negative stories come out about him/negative social media attention, so I think it's fairly likely.

[Alf]

In the last hour, we've received audio of the emergency call placed last night by the hotel where Liam Payne was staying.

The exchange between the hotel desk manager and the 911 operator reveals the frantic exchanges in the moments before the star's death.

A full transcript of a translation of the call is below:

911 operator: "What is happening sir?"

Hotel manager: "We have a guest drunk with drugs and alcohol. When he [them, gender not clear in conversation] is conscious, he is breaking everything in the room."

911 operator: "You said alcohol and drugs..."

Hotel manager: "This is correct."

911 operator: "You said Costa Rica intersecting where?"

Hotel manager: "Costa Rica 6032."

911 operator: "Repeat."

Hotel manager: "Costa Rica 6032."

911 operator: "What is the hotel called?"

Hotel manager: "Caza Azul Palermo. We need to send someone with urgency because I don't know if the guest's life is in danger because he is in a room with balcony, and we are afraid he could do something that threatens life."

911 operator: "How long has he been there? Is it a long stay hotel?"

Hotel manager: "(The guest) has been for the past three days."

911 operator: "You don't any other information because you can't get in. Right?"

Hotel manager: "No."

911 operator: "We are also notifying SAME (Medical Emergency Attention Service)."

Hotel manager: "We are asking to send someone with urgency because..."

911 operator: "We are doing that. Any other data to give me. Who are you?"

Hotel manager: "I'm the desk manager."

911 operator: "Person in charge of the place."

Hotel manager - "Yes."

911 operator: "It has been notified. What is your name, sir?"

Hotel manager: "Esteban."

911 operator: "Thanks for calling. Be online."

Hotel manager: "Are you sending police too."

911 operator: "Police from the delegation... Let me confirm."

Hotel manager: "No, no, only SAME, only SAME (Medical Emergency Attention Service)."

911 operator: "Don't worry because they have already been notified."

Hotel manager: "Because as you said he is under the influence of alcohol and drugs, SAME personnel can't enter alone."

911 operator: "You can ask that to the police, but if SAME needs them, they will notify you."

Hotel manager: "Good, OK, perfect."

911 operator: "Have a good day."

Hotel manager: "Thanks, you too."Where was that? They speak good English

[Vanessa]

Exactly. He seems somewhat tense to me. Doesn't look happy at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What evidence is there that he was an alcoholic

Is there any or is that totally anecdotal?

[Vanessa]

What evidence is there that he was an alcoholic

Is there any or is that totally anecdotal?

He said himself. Was recently on rehab, but must have relapsed.

[Kate!]

9JVt-JdM4e4

This death has hit me pretty hard I won't lie. Think it's because I will always be such a massive x factor fan so I've followed his career for a long time. And he's a similar age to me. Its really tragic

:love: aww Jake. Exactly how I'm feeling right now.

[Kate!]

Very very poignant in light of what's happened.


5GFtYgFRkx4

[ThomasC]

Where was that? They speak good English

Argentina. It has been translated

[arista]

He said himself. Was recently on rehab, but must have relapsed.


Yes could be

[Crimson Dynamo]

He said himself. Was recently on rehab, but must have relapsed.

that was drugs tho?

[Gusto Brunt]

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

[Kate!]

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

:love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

DM main page 35 articles

total clickbait nonsense

cashing in on suicide

:umm2:

[Nicky91]

I was never a fan of the band but I ackowledge the massive impact their music and them as people had on the whole world.

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.

RIP.

:love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:skull:

I think she is David Cassidy's daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13969563/Kate-Cassidy-met-Liam-Payne-Model-reveals-served-star-Charleston-bar-gave-wrong-number-romantic-date-video-shared-weeks-singers-tragic-death-aged-31.html

[Nicky91]

:skull:

I think she is David Cassidy's daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13969563/Kate-Cassidy-met-Liam-Payne-Model-reveals-served-star-Charleston-bar-gave-wrong-number-romantic-date-video-shared-weeks-singers-tragic-death-aged-31.html

no she isn't?

David's daughter is Katie Cassidy, an actress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Cassidy



this is Kate Cassidy, just an influencer

[Crimson Dynamo]

no she isn't?

David's daughter is Katie Cassidy, an actress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Cassidy



this is Kate Cassidy, just an gold digger

ah ok, thankyou

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maya Henry, his former girlfriend, had made headlines with a TikTok video on Oct 6 accusing him of “disgusting” behaviour and claiming he had harassed her and her mother with repeated phone calls and messages. She reportedly issued legal proceedings against him last week, which sources said contributed to Payne feeling “extremely overwhelmed”.

In the video, she claimed that Payne had been “weaponising” his fans against her on social media and warned that there was “a lot more of this story so… stay tuned.”

Henry said: “You weaponise your own fan base. People are always saying, ‘oh, she just wants money’… I don’t need money.”


DT

[Abra]

Very sad news. He had obviously been struggling for a few years but I had hoped things would get better for him. RIP Liam, thoughts are with his loved ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

idFUUOyPEso

[Quantum Boy]

Liam's death is beyond tragic. He had everything. Talent, looks, youth.



But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

[Nicky91]

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

idFUUOyPEso

yes, sadly his career wasn't blossoming anymore unlike fellow ex bandmates Harry Styles, Niall Horan, Zayn Malik their work

[Quantum Boy]

The lyrics to his last song that did not chart again (seemingly written to his ex and going by her recent lengthy tiktok about him id say so) in light of his suicide are rather sinister now

idFUUOyPEso

You can't give another person the love they need and deserve if you don't like and understand yourself. Late 20's into early 30's is a rough time in terms of that. I feel bad for the guy he clearly had no grasp on his life at all and it completely got away from him, and of course others were drawn into that chaos with him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess all the time he was wondering if they liked him or liked who he was

[Quantum Boy]

yes, sadly his career wasn't blossoming anymore unlike fellow ex bandmates Harry Styles, Niall Horan, Zayn Malik their work

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.

[Niamh.]

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good

Middle Girl CD just saw him this year and loved it

[ThomasC]

But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

Great analogy.

[Zizu]

He was the "Gary Barlow" of the group unfortunately - a huge part of One Direction but ultimately didn't have the same solo potential as the others. He said in an interview that Simon Cowell built One Direction around him, which is probably true - it sounds like ego from him, but genuinely I think Simon Cowell (as a cynical music mogul) knew fine well that he didn't have the charisma to carry it alone. As opposed to, say, Harry Styles, who isn't particularly musically talented - but runs on pure charisma, which is what carried him through from day 1 on X factor, and exactly what a solo act needs. i.e. "Robbie Williams".

Unfortunately when the group then inevitably splits that's never going to be a good outcome for that person.


I recall Simon Cowell once saying that Harry Styles had the best voice and personality.. the jewel in the crown so to speak BUT Liam was the level headed , sensible and grounded one


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[Cherie]

Sad news, I heard on the radio that his current gf left him a few days ago, he was seen in the lobby being aggressive and high on drugs or alcohol, so sad for his family

[Niamh.]

Sad news, I heard on the radio that his current gf left him a few days ago, he was seen in the lobby being aggressive and high on drugs or alcohol, so sad for his family

Yeah especially his son, sad he will have to grow up without a dad

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah especially his son, sad he will have to grow up without a dad

horrible and poor Cheryl had to tell him today too

[UserSince2005]

My understanding from One Direction days were that Liam and Niall were the least problematic. and other 3 were divas and caused a lot of trouble.

[UserSince2005]

horrible and poor Cheryl had to tell him today too

wonder how often he saw him, doesnt seem he was in his life much.

[Niamh.]

horrible and poor Cheryl had to tell him today too

:( It's hard at 7 to even really understand what that means

[MTVN]

You can't give another person the love they need and deserve if you don't like and understand yourself. Late 20's into early 30's is a rough time in terms of that. I feel bad for the guy he clearly had no grasp on his life at all and it completely got away from him, and of course others were drawn into that chaos with him.

Yeah especially when your fame peaked ten years ago. On the one hand you'll never be as successful as you were then but you're also still famous enough that you'll never lead a 'normal' life either

[Crimson Dynamo]

inside his hotel room :skull:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956103-13969581-image-a-28_1729146806588.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956107-13969581-image-a-27_1729146793876.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956105-13969581-image-a-29_1729146868281.jpg

[Gusto Brunt]

But that's not "everything" or rather - as we see time and time again - ultimately it's not anything at all.

Beyond subsistence (a good home you like to be in, being warm and fed) and preferably having the resources to not have to live with too much stress to achieve that, all that actually matters is meaningful human connection with others, and some sense of purposeful existence (or failing that, being comfortable with one non-purposeful ideology or other).

If you don't have those two things, the rest of it is wallpaper. And that can be wallpaper on a crumbling building.

Yes I heard it was a possible suicide or maybe a drunken drugged-up stumble. We'll never know unless he left a suicide note.

[ThomasC]

Yes I heard it was a possible suicide or maybe a drunken drugged-up stumble. We'll never know unless he left a suicide note.

He didn't want to be here regardless of which one it is and that's terribly sad.

Clobazam was found in his hotel room.

[UserSince2005]

youd think he could afford a hotel room with a nicer TV

[ThomasC]

youd think he could afford a hotel room with a nicer TV

I find your comments on this thread in very poor taste

Why don't you shut your big flapper if you don't have anything nice to say

[Kate!]

I find your comments on this thread in very poor taste

Why don't you shut your big flapper if you don't have anything nice to say

X 2

Some people are very callous in this thread.

[Gusto Brunt]

He didn't want to be here regardless of which one it is and that's terribly sad.

Clobazam was found in his hotel room. One of the strongest benzodiazapemes.

Have you seen a video I think he posted on TikTok )cpuld have been another social media)? In it he looks very happy and is chatting to his girlfriend (who's in the background). Both were joking about staying in bed till midday.

This apparently recorded a few days ago.

[Niamh.]

Have you seen a video I think he posted on TikTok )cpuld have been another social media)? In it he looks very happy and is chatting to his girlfriend (who's in the background). Both were joking about staying in bed till midday.

This apparently recorded a few days ago.

I didn't think he looked happy in that video at all

[ThomasC]

Have you seen a video I think he posted on TikTok )cpuld have been another social media)? In it he looks very happy and is chatting to his girlfriend (who's in the background). Both were joking about staying in bed till midday.

This apparently recorded a few days ago.

You really think he was 'happy' in that video because I don't.

You can see it in his eyes.

Substance abuse which he has openly admitted previously and been in rehab for, can come and go in waves.... And one of those waves can be too big to survive.

He may appear somewhat calm and happy to you, but then half an hour later when he has done drugs/alcohol he can be a different person completely.

[caprimint]

I was actually most surprised by Niall making it as a solo artist, I always thought he was the least talented of the group but his solo stuff is pretty good
Yeah his own music is good, he was also GREAT as a coach on The Voice USA :love:

[Gusto Brunt]

You really think he was 'happy' in that video because I don't.

You can see it in his eyes.

Substance abuse which he has openly admitted previously and been in rehab for, can come and go in waves.... And one of those waves can be too big to survive.

He may appear somewhat calm and happy to you, but then half an hour later when he has done drugs/alcohol he can be a different person completely.

I don't know the man, so I wouldn't really know. Just speculating. I don't take drugs. I don't even drink booze, so perhaps I thought he was slightly jet-lagged. I don't know.

I didn't think he looked happy in that video at all

Well he didn't look drunk or drugged-up, or unhappy. To my eyes.

[arista]

inside his hotel room :skull:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956103-13969581-image-a-28_1729146806588.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956107-13969581-image-a-27_1729146793876.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/07/90956105-13969581-image-a-29_1729146868281.jpg


Yes he went crazy on drugs
on Drugs



Tragic

[Redway]

Sad news, I heard on the radio that his current gf left him a few days ago, he was seen in the lobby being aggressive and high on drugs or alcohol, so sad for his family

Aggression points to alcohol more often than not. He might not have been but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was drinking heavily that night. Alcohol’s a drug a lot of people love to give a hypocritical free pass because it’s so deeply ingrained in the social culture but it’s one of the most destructive and easiest to abuse. It’s involved in many, many suicides. No-one takes an overdose of weed or mushrooms and goes on to commit suicide. It’s always alcohol that’s involved, with or without benzos and/or some other drugs.

Alcohol’s just one of the worst drugs in the world, period. Its highs are unproductive and it brings out the worst and most aggressive in so many people. One’s high as a kite themselves if they think the same can be said for magic mushrooms. It just can’t, whether that suits one’s hypocritical ‘pro-alcohol, anti other drugs’ agenda or not. We normalise binge-drinking far too much in this part of the world. But that’s another issue altogether.

[UserSince2005]

I find your comments on this thread in very poor taste

Why don't you shut your big flapper if you don't have anything nice to say

It’s just something I thought strange about that picture. I saw it yesterday and thought it must be fake.

[arista]

On so Much drugs
he may not have known
climbing out of that window
would kill him.

Tragic.

[AnnieK]

Aggression points to alcohol more often than not. He might not have been but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was drinking heavily that night. Alcohol’s a drug a lot of people love to give a hypocritical free pass because it’s so deeply ingrained in the social culture but it’s one of the most destructive and easiest to abuse. It’s involved in many, many suicides. No-one takes an overdose of weed or mushrooms and goes on to commit suicide. It’s always alcohol that’s involved, with or without benzos and/or some other drugs.

Alcohol’s just one of the worst drugs in the world, period. Its highs are unproductive and it brings out the worst and most aggressive in so many people. One’s high as a kite themselves if they think the same can be said for magic mushrooms. It just can’t, whether that suits one’s hypocritical ‘pro-alcohol, anti other drugs’ agenda or not. We normalise binge-drinking far too much in this part of the world. But that’s another issue altogether.

Alcohol and coke are a lethal combination too....

[Kate!]

On so Much drugs
he may not have known
climbing out of that window
would kill him.

Tragic.

Yes Arista. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't deliberate.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/17/90977253-0-image-m-2_1729181482769.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13971685/Hunt-two-mystery-women-Liam-Payne-night-death.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/14/90958219-13970867-image-a-37_1729170307055.jpg


better days

[Redway]

Alcohol and coke are a lethal combination too....

It is.

I’m not saying a drug that can add so much cultural value and social (and even quiet internal, to a certain extent) lubrication is totally awful, by the way, nor am I even saying I’m teetotal myself (far from it). I’m just saying that social conditioning conditions a lot of people to see alcohol as less dangerous than it actually is (or to turn a blind eye to it) while demonising the drugs that actually have medicinal and spiritual benefits (weed, psychedelics, ketamine). Places like Portugal, Holland and North America are making spades of progress in this area, decriminalising/legalising cannabis and treating PTSD and severe depression with psilocybin (magic mushrooms) and ketamine, but UK legislature still has a very backwards approach to alcohol vs. other drugs and so much police-resources that are better going towards real crime (and the ultimate ending of the production and supply of heroin, because that’s a drug that really is beyond defense) end up being wasted chasing people vaping things that are medicinal and actually perfectly legal (CBD, thinking it’s weed, which itself shouldn’t be illegal). Recommended daily limits that no-one pays attention to anyway are the only form of specific restraint-deterrent a lot of people notice with regard to alcohol and it just causes so much antisocial behaviour and health complications when it’s taken further than it needs to, all in the name of a good night. In terms of overall health-complications only heroin’s worse than alcohol.

And yeah. The increasing popularity of cocaine hasn’t helped matters either, at all.

[Vanessa]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/14/90958219-13970867-image-a-37_1729170307055.jpg


better days

Awww that a beautiful picture, Arista.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/13/90957527-13970867-Liam_was_raised_in_Wolverhampton_by_his_mother_Kar en_a_nurse_and-a-18_1729168917932.jpg
2010 with his Mum and Dad

[Kate!]

On so Much drugs
he may not have known
climbing out of that window
would kill him.

Tragic.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/17/13/90957527-13970867-Liam_was_raised_in_Wolverhampton_by_his_mother_Kar en_a_nurse_and-a-18_1729168917932.jpg
2010 with his Mum and Dad


Aww. Bless him.

[Ammi]

On so Much drugs
he may not have known
climbing out of that window
would kill him.

Tragic.

…that’s so, so true, Arista…he possibly had little awareness of his danger that led to this…so very tragic and sad and his loved ones will be struggling to process it, obviously…

[Zizu]

I heard on the radio that Liam attended one of Niall Horan’s concerts a few days ago and was photographed hugging and high fiving loads of fans ..

When Neil found out he went online slagging Liam saying he was a desperate attention seeker !

So I would imagine Horan maybe feeling real bad now ..


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[Vanessa]

I heard on the radio that Liam attended one of Niall Horan’s concerts a few days ago and was photographed hugging and high fiving loads of fans ..

When Neil found out he went online slagging Liam saying he was a desperate attention seeker !

So I would imagine Horan maybe feeling real bad now ..


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That's awful. He was just having fun :sad::sad:

[Quantum Boy]

You really think he was 'happy' in that video because I don't.

You can see it in his eyes.

Substance abuse which he has openly admitted previously and been in rehab for, can come and go in waves.... And one of those waves can be too big to survive.

He may appear somewhat calm and happy to you, but then half an hour later when he has done drugs/alcohol he can be a different person completely.

Indeed he doesn't look happy at all in that video to me - he says they're not long got out of bed and are having breakfast, so he's sober, that's about it really. Sober and "masking" for social media... but if you've seen depression, you know he looks depressed. And as you say as soon as substances are added back into the mix you just don't know what chaos is going to spill out.

[Redway]

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

I had a sex session with someone on coke

He bought a platter out as if we were at some sort of fancy dinner party.

It's the longest hook up I've ever had.

There seems to be no end to your list of sexual escapades.

[Redway]

Indeed he doesn't look happy at all in that video to me - he says they're not long got out of bed and are having breakfast, so he's sober, that's about it really. Sober and "masking" for social media... but if you've seen depression, you know he looks depressed. And as you say as soon as substances are added back into the mix you just don't know what chaos is going to spill out.

One mustn’t forget alcohol’s a huge depressant, inasmuch as people use it to drown their sorrows all the time.

Anyway, I’m not really trying to speculate. Whatever happened was a tragedy, regardless of how it happened and what substances were involved. That’s actually not our business.

[ThomasC]

Was probably mcat

I wasn't doing it regardless but he had bags of energy

Indeed he doesn't look happy at all in that video to me - he says they're not long got out of bed and are having breakfast, so he's sober, that's about it really. Sober and "masking" for social media... but if you've seen depression, you know he looks depressed. And as you say as soon as substances are added back into the mix you just don't know what chaos is going to spill out.

Agreed

There seems to be no end to your list of sexual escapades.

'Fun' is fun. When you've been single for so long and get comfortable with being single, it's nice to play the field. Most of us have needs.

[Redway]

'Fun' is fun. When you've been single for so long and get comfortable with being single, it's nice to play the field. Most of us have needs.

Listen, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. By all means, do you.

[ThomasC]

'Fun' is fun. When you've been single for so long and get comfortable with being single, it's nice to play the field. Most of us have needs.

Listen, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. By all means, do you.[/QUOTE]

I certainly do.

:)

[Ray.]

Most of us have needs.

Ah yes but do we need to be hearing about it all the time, Tommy C? :smug:

[ThomasC]

Ah yes but do we need to be hearing about it all the time, Tommy C? :smug:

Bit dramatic. It's not all the time. I discuss a lot of various things on this forum.

My input wasn't random it was from experience relating to a comment.

[Zizu]

That's awful. He was just having fun :sad::sad:


https://youtu.be/CsGOKiQQQLU?si=Jr0Swln5mxZqWEEs


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[Glenn.]

Parm unnecessarily made it weird and sexual

[Cherie]

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

[ThomasC]

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

:(

The way he went really plays on me. Awful, just awful

[Ray.]

Bit dramatic. It's not all the time. I discuss a lot of various things on this forum.

My input wasn't random it was from experience relating to a comment.

I was just teasing

https://c.tenor.com/ebTighim3l8AAAAC/tenor.gif

[bots]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

[Zizu]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over


He also had Cheryl and let her slip through his fingers ??


That’s on a parr with Gerard Pique and Shakira !!


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[Vanessa]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Addiction is hard. I speak for experience. It's not easy to get rid of at all.
Many people manage it, but then relapse.

[Vanessa]

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

Exactly why i think it was a tragic accident.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

or he took a last big glug of Whisky before he jumped

[bots]

you really can't take anything from the final act that saw him perish. It was years of self abuse that brought him to that inevitable point. It's like saying keith moon died in a swimming pool because he couldn't swim

[ThomasC]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Well if 'we' have seen the same thing happen over and over, then what does that tell you?

Some people can fight it, others can't. People face different battles. Some have more resilience and brain chemistry is different

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.

Addiction is hard. I speak for experience. It's not easy to get rid of at all.
Many people manage it, but then relapse.

Yes they do.

I hope you managed to get rid of it.

I have a close friend who has an addiction. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water you can't make it drink. There really is only so much you can do unless that person wants to help themselves and unfortunately some can't.

[bots]

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.


Of course it's reality, there is nothing complicated about it at all

[Vanessa]

Well if 'we' have seen the same thing happen over and over, then what does that tell you?

Some people can fight it, others can't. People face different battles. Some have more resilience and brain chemistry is different

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.



Yes they do.

I hope you managed to get rid of it.

I have a close friend who has an addiction. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water you can't make it drink. There really is only so much you can do unless that person wants to help themselves and unfortunately some can't.
Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

[thesheriff443]

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

Very sorry to hear that ness xx

[Vanessa]

Very sorry to hear that ness xx

He tried so hard bless him. But it really isn't easy at all. I miss him everyday. He was a good soul.

[ThomasC]

Of course it's reality, there is nothing complicated about it at all

I strongly disagree

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

<3 x

[Redway]

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

[Vanessa]

:hug:I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

[Zizu]

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.


Virtual hug !!


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[Redway]

And some people swear down that cannabis and psilocybin are more problematic drugs than alcohol. Again, the hypocrisy makes me sick.

[Benjamin]

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

I’m sorry to hear that V. :hug:

[Redway]

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

My condolences.

[thesheriff443]

He tried so hard bless him. But it really isn't easy at all. I miss him everyday. He was a good soul.

I know it’s not easy, the mother of my daughter died from alcohol and pain killer abuse

[thesheriff443]

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

It’s a great achievement to get your life back

[Vanessa]

I know it’s not easy, the mother of my daughter died from alcohol and pain killer abuse

Aw I'm so sorry sheriff :hug:

[Redway]

It’s a great achievement to get your life back

It is. The drinking was holding me back in lots of ways and I even lost a great job because of it. There were other issues on the job but the drinking was the final straw. At that point I was so unabashed about it that I’d be getting through half a bottle of gin and 3 litres of Strongbow and not even try to cover it up or hide/get rid of the bottles when the morning lot came in. I just didn’t care to hide my drinking. I could’ve been doing bits with ITV had I not been such an alcoholic but 2018 me just didn’t want to help myself, so I got sacked. The drinking problem cost me way more money than that but that’s just one example of how it cost me a really good opportunity and permanently closed a door on me for no reason. I’d give my all to that company if they took me back tomorrow now but they’re not trying to risk taking back an ex-alcoholic so it’s a no-go.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Terribly upsetting. Poor baby

[Liam-]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Jesus Christ

[Kazanne]

He also had Cheryl and let her slip through his fingers ??


That’s on a parr with Gerard Pique and Shakira !!


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Maybe he had his reasons

[rusticgal]

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.


Sorry to hear that Vanessa…it is a difficult battle and quite often lost sadly.

[Zizu]

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.


So sorry Vanessa

Hugz


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[rusticgal]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over


Hmmm…I find that hard to accept. Instant fame and fortune is fine until it starts to dwindle. Although those opportunities were there some find it difficult to deal with..we have seen it happen to so many. Drugs and alcohol are readily available and when your life turns around and that fame disappears it must be easy to turn to them as an escape..and addiction sets in. It’s a vicious circle and unless you have a strength within to stop the self destruction it’s inevitable that things will spiral out of control and a life ends because of it.
I’m sure his family are not relieved it’s over…they probably had hope that he could get through it. It’s just all very tragic for everyone involved.

[Quantum Boy]

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

No one chooses it bots, and this is a very ugly post for anyone who has lost someone to addiction.

The fact that we see so many people who got rich & famous young lose themselves to drugs, alcohol and depression should indicate strongly that it isn't, in fact, "every opportunity" at all and seems to leave a lot of them - maybe even most of them - feeling rather empty.

[Quantum Boy]

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

From the sounds of it it really could be either an impulsive jump or as there are reports that he was being erratic "when conscious", there's also the possibility that he was leaning on the balcony and simply passed out cold.

But he has openly talked about suicidal thoughts in the past so on balance of probabilities I personally think he "chose" to jump - to the extent that anyone can really make a choice in that state.

[Zizu]

Surely if he was addicted to drugs , alcohol and by some accounts … women .. why would he jump ?


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[arista]

Surely if he was addicted to drugs , alcohol and by some accounts … women .. why would he jump ?




High on drugs,
he may not have known
what he was doing.

Phsycotic

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/49fc/live/05991860-8cc5-11ef-81f8-1f28bcc5be15.jpg.webp

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

No one chooses it bots, and this is a very ugly post for anyone who has lost someone to addiction.

The fact that we see so many people who got rich & famous young lose themselves to drugs, alcohol and depression should indicate strongly that it isn't, in fact, "every opportunity" at all and seems to leave a lot of them - maybe even most of them - feeling rather empty.

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/06/90999807-0-image-m-1_1729229265139.jpg

[thesheriff443]

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

When you have an addiction it doesn’t matter if you are a millionaire or a tramp
But in most cases it’s worse having the resources to feed that addiction

Addicts are not thinking like a normal person

Same with depression, multi millionaires kill them selves people think they have everything but in reality they would give everything to feel normal

[Cherie]

I wonder if his latest release will go to No.1 now, its a decent song will be really ironic if it does given his label dropped him

[ThomasC]

I know it’s not easy, the mother of my daughter died from alcohol and pain killer abuse

That's hard. I'm sure you're doing great Sheriff.

It is. The drinking was holding me back in lots of ways and I even lost a great job because of it. There were other issues on the job but the drinking was the final straw. At that point I was so unabashed about it that I’d be getting through half a bottle of gin and 3 litres of Strongbow and not even try to cover it up or hide/get rid of the bottles when the morning lot came in. I just didn’t care to hide my drinking. I could’ve been doing bits with ITV had I not been such an alcoholic but 2018 me just didn’t want to help myself, so I got sacked. The drinking problem cost me way more money than that but that’s just one example of how it cost me a really good opportunity and permanently closed a door on me for no reason. I’d give my all to that company if they took me back tomorrow now but they’re not trying to risk taking back an ex-alcoholic so it’s a no-go.

It's a life lesson. Glad you are more stable now. Try not to dwindle too much on the what ifs

Hmmm…I find that hard to accept. Instant fame and fortune is fine until it starts to dwindle. Although those opportunities were there some find it difficult to deal with..we have seen it happen to so many. Drugs and alcohol are readily available and when your life turns around and that fame disappears it must be easy to turn to them as an escape..and addiction sets in. It’s a vicious circle and unless you have a strength within to stop the self destruction it’s inevitable that things will spiral out of control and a life ends because of it.
I’m sure his family are not relieved it’s over…they probably had hope that he could get through it. It’s just all very tragic for everyone involved.

No one chooses it bots, and this is a very ugly post for anyone who has lost someone to addiction.

The fact that we see so many people who got rich & famous young lose themselves to drugs, alcohol and depression should indicate strongly that it isn't, in fact, "every opportunity" at all and seems to leave a lot of them - maybe even most of them - feeling rather empty.

Agreed

Surely if he was addicted to drugs , alcohol and by some accounts … women .. why would he jump ?


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Are you serious?

I do wonder sometimes about people. Like the complete lack of emotional intelligence and basic understanding around mental health.

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

Advantage? What because he had money?

Again, complete lack of emotional intelligence and understanding.

[Ammi]

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

…I guess for addictive personalities, some advantages or blessings as it were, become curses because they can open up much more the ability and availability to feed those addictions…so it’s always quite a layered and complex thing …he did have ‘advantages’ I for like, but it would seem that he had struggles in using those in a positive way that would have helped a path away from his addiction and help to manage his life to be less reliant…

…I feel hugely sad for his family/friends/loved ones because in a way, watching a person you love with an addiction has parallels to watching a loved one with a terminal physical illness such as cancer…that helplessness of losing a battle to something that is seeking to take away everything that is that person and is so devastating…it’s a very difficult thing to watch and there is often also a sense of not being to prevent as well…which is obviously misplaced but it’s nevertheless felt and it’s something that will always be carried…

[arista]

When you have an addiction it doesn’t matter if you are a millionaire or a tramp
But in most cases it’s worse having the resources to feed that addiction

Addicts are not thinking like a normal person

Same with depression, multi millionaires kill them selves people think they have everything but in reality they would give everything to feel normal



Yes, tragically, he was alone
kept taking the cocaine
not knowing what he was doing.................

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/06/90999807-0-image-m-1_1729229265139.jpg


That’s poor timing in the extreme


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[Glenn.]

Also his girlfriend went home and he got two escorts? Lovely fella

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also his girlfriend went home and he got two escorts? Lovely fella

yes not a good look

[Cherie]

I think there might be more to the gf going home than has been revealed, that said they originally went for 5 days and that extended to 14 so she might have been ready to go home

[ThomasC]

Also his girlfriend went home and he got two escorts? Lovely fella

Both Ed Sheeran and Robbie Williams have put posts out saying 'be kind'.

You don't know what someone else is going through.

If it was someone you loved how would you like it.

The guy was extremely troubled.

Shame on you.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/08/91003111-0-image-a-6_1729237420761.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974125/Liam-Payne-death-admission-hotel-guest-final-photos.html

[Kate!]

Both Ed Sheeran and Robbie Williams have put posts out saying 'be kind'.

You don't know what someone else is going through.

If it was someone you loved how would you like it.

The guy was extremely troubled.

Shame on you.

Ahh Thomas. You're such a legend. One of the nicest people on this forum. Live long and prosper. Xx

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/18/07/91002019-13974125-image-a-52_1729234339389.jpg


You see how high
he fell from.


Under so many drugs,
did he know what he was doing?

[Glenn.]

Both Ed Sheeran and Robbie Williams have put posts out saying 'be kind'.

You don't know what someone else is going through.

If it was someone you loved how would you like it.

The guy was extremely troubled.

Shame on you.

I didn’t know the bloke. No one here does. The whole culture of people crying over dead celebrities has always been very weird to me.

I’m just giving my opinion on what has happened. I don’t think he intentionally killed himself. He loved himself too much for that. The bloke waved his girlfriend off then got two escorts. The bloke was a sleaze.
He got off his face on drugs he couldn’t handle and paid the ultimate price. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I feel for his family.

[bots]

T

Again, complete lack of emotional intelligence and understanding.

Don't throw insults at me sonny, you act like you know everything, when you clearly know nothing

[ThomasC]

Ahh Thomas. You're such a legend. One of the nicest people on this forum. Live long and prosper. Xx

Awhh bless you, thank you

I didn’t know the bloke. No one here does. The whole culture of people crying over dead celebrities has always been very weird to me.

I’m just giving my opinion on what has happened. I don’t think he intentionally killed himself. He loved himself too much for that. The bloke waved his girlfriend off then got two escorts. The bloke was a sleaze.
He got off his face on drugs he couldn’t handle and paid the ultimate price. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I feel for his family.

It's called empathy and respect.

People feel like they did know him. You haven't got to physically know someone to feel compassion

Don't throw insults at me sonny, you act like you know everything, when you clearly know nothing

OK. I stand by comments.