Ali attempting to apply the patriarchal pyramid to the house

[Merry Mockmas]

And I obviously hope that vesavius doesn't leave the Forum as they're a really good member.

[Ammi]

…did I have a post removed so my second post doesn’t make sense and follow…

[Ammi]

…so anyway…:laugh:…I’m looking forward to some continued great and interesting perceptions gives about Ali and all of the housemates from two great posters…:love:…it’s been a good season and that should continue through until the final ….

[Ammi]

Garfie …Danny Beard is a drag queen…my first introduction to them was on RuPaul’s Drag Race Uk…I’m not sure which season Danny Beard won but I think it might have been Season 4…anyway, I would think that all of the seasons might still be on BBC catch-up so if you wanted to see/hear more of them then that would be the place to look…

[Ammi]

…BB can feel a bit brutal at times when we have favourites whose behaviour is open to criticism and negativity etc… that’s always been the way and it’s not easy, I know…but someone like Ali for instance…?…also has lots of fans and positive support etc…so, it’s trying to focus on that also and focus on supporting her, rather than that others don’t so much…every housemate has and always has had their own individualities and things about them that display in their behaviour…like Lily, for instance who seems to have no independent experience of living at 20yrs old …Marcello can be quite dismissive of females, why is that…there are reasons…Dean seems to have a real aversion to ‘masculine males’…Nathan seems to be so lacking in confidence that his reliance seems to be on a showmance…and etc…there are reasons for everything and how people are and behave and act etc…we all have our own views and opinions on all of that but it doesn’t change that events/interactions in the house and that some housemates become very polarising and that’s going to creat very differing views…no right/no wrong….it just is what it is and what it is is BB, what we all love to be part of…together, not apart…

[ebandit]

ali whining 'i'm nearly 40 with a PHD and have to dress up like this......................' then describes things as 'icky' like a child?

i would have hoped that ali could have identified BB's plot to divide HM's and cause friction in the vampire v villagers task 'n brought ALL HM's
together as a team but NO she thinks she's above it all 'n in control..............

Mark L

[Parmy]

An icky tommy tank.

[vesavius]

I mean t would be pretty warped and messed up to lie about having a condition/ medical situation..

Yes. Yes, they would. But I don't actually think that it's entirely her fault how people have jumped on what she actually said. I am not really saying that she 100% lied, she might really believe it, I am saying that she knowingly dropped some language in that she knew would make her popular among a certain type of people. Saying that she thinks that she has some autistic traits isn't necessarily a lie, but she knows saying that definitely gets her a built in fanbase because is very intelligent and is very involved in that side of things.

Ali is only diagnosed with ADHD - she said she thinks she has autistic traits and that's all. But people out there have latched onto that and hoisted her up like some mascot poster child for autism.

But anyway, even saying that, an explanation is not an excuse and people in that house are accountable for their own actions.

To me, suggesting that Ali is not 100% in control and conscious of what she is doing in this game like some seem to be doing out there in BB land is wild.

[vesavius]

And I obviously hope that vesavius doesn't leave the Forum as they're a really good member.

Thank you. I enjoy the forum too much to let a tiny minority spoil it really. It just got to me in that moment :)

[Ammi]

Yes. Yes, they would. But I don't actually think that it's entirely her fault how people have jumped on what she actually said. I am not really saying that she lied, I am saying that her thinking that she might have autistic traits isn't the same as actually being on the spectrum. And even if she is, it's a spectrum for a reason.

Ali is only diagnosed with ADHD - she said she thinks she has autistic traits and that's all. But people out there have latched onto that and hoisted her up like some mascot poster child for autism.

But anyway, even saying that, an explanation is not an excuse and people in that house are accountable for their own actions.

To me, suggesting that Ali is not 100% in control and conscious of what she is doing in this game like some seem to be doing in BB land is wild.



…(…I think and these are only my own thoughts, obviously…)…that ‘diagnosed with ADHD and also exhibits autistic traits’ is kind of possibly the whole diagnosis…and not that she’s self diagnosed as Autistic…for me, she does display more Autistic traits than she does, ADHD ones…which is interesting but why I think that what she said is a whole diagnosis, which has been assessed and given…but anyway, it’s still that thing for me a bit of …’When you meet one person with Autism, you’ve met one person with Autism’ and people are also who they are, they’re not their diagnosis…if that makes sense…and I do think that Ali’s behaviour/actions/reactions etc have been a huge foundation of a house divide…I don’t know if that would have happened anyway, none of us do…having said that, I’m not of the mindset that she’s groomed Lily or anyone…so there’s much that I don’t agree with the thoughts of others with regard to Ali and I don’t in any way, dislike her..…I do think her presence and impact on the house group hasn’t been good, though…in terms of that divide and the impact on the housemates in their own experiences…just going back to the ‘grooming’ thought though…it’s not something that I can see or agree with but in seeing others think that…?..it does make me try to look at all sides, which is one of the things that has always been great about BB…we all watch a d see the same…and yet we don’t…:laugh:…

[Zizu]

ali whining 'i'm nearly 40 with a PHD and have to dress up like this......................' l..............

Mark L

You just described a classic autistic trait incidentally..

Wearing any kind of costume or ‘dressing up’ is completely abhorrent to probably 99% of people on the spectrum .. to put things into perspective .


I have never worn any kind of costume in all of my life … silly pretend play is impossible

I never even did drama at high school as it severely stressed me out - they allowed me to do the sound and lighting ..


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[Ammi]

You just described a classic autistic trait incidentally..

Wearing any kind of costume or ‘dressing up’ is completely abhorrent to probably 99% of people on the spectrum .. to put things into perspective .


I have never worn any kind of costume in all of my life … silly pretend play is impossible

I never even did drama at high school as it severely stressed me out - they allowed me to do the sound and lighting ..


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…I think though, Zizu…in choosing to go into BB…(…and I did read an article that indicated that Ali wanted to have and embrace the whole BB experience…)…it’s accepted that there will be tasks and there will be dress up and if BB can make it embarrassing in any way or poke fun…they will…:laugh:…

[Christmas Lights]

…did I have a post removed so my second post doesn’t make sense and follow…

I think mine got removed aswell.

[Ammi]

I think mine got removed aswell.

…I’m not surprised, you’re always offending people…(…I’m joking, obviously…:laugh:…)…

[Zizu]

Ahe has adhd mock..watch the first weeks highlights again. She says she self diagnosed herself with autistic traits.

I honestly wouldnt make that up mate.


Ali
“My brother was really unwell in his life, with like mental health problems and he was on the autistic spectrum and he had ADHD.”


Autism normally runs through families .. the fact that her brother had autism and ADHD adds weight to Ali’s case .

Many children/ people clearly have autism but it’s simply not worth jumping through hoops for years to get an official diagnosis

Quite often the parents who shout the loudest get their children diagnosed faster or at an earlier age to help them through the school years

Everything.. her family’s history of autism , her obvious traits, her own description of things and even Galfie’s educated opinion suggest she is on the spectrum .

And yet you and your cronies choose to deny her because she hasn’t got an official certificate at hand to wave in front of the tv cameras


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[Christmas Lights]

…I’m not surprised, you’re always offending people…(…I’m joking, obviously…:laugh:…)…

Lol
I don't even know what it was.

[vesavius]

…(…I think and these are only my own thoughts, obviously…)…that ‘diagnosed with ADHD and also exhibits autistic traits’ is kind of possibly the whole diagnosis…and not that she’s self diagnosed as Autistic…for me, she does display more Autistic traits than she does, ADHD ones…which is interesting

Sorry, I did a sneaky edit while you were writing in order to clarify what I think is happening here :)

[Christmas Lights]

Sorry, I did a sneaky edit while you were writing in order to clarify what I think is happening here :)

Not sure if you saw my post last night/ early hours this morning. But I hope you decide to stay on here Vesavius :wavey: . I enjoy your posts.

[Ammi]

Sorry, I did a sneaky edit while you were writing in order to clarify what I think is happening here :)

…that’s cool, I just re-read…:love:…sneaky is fine, we like Sneaky Saturdays…

[vesavius]

Not sure if you saw my post last night/ early hours this morning. But I hope you decide to stay on here Vesavius :wavey: . I enjoy your posts.

I didn't, but thank you :love:

All is well now!

[Kazanne]

She comes over to me as a tad spiteful,sly and calculating,I did like her but not so much now.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

…I don’t know where ‘self diagnosis’ with Ali came from tbh…I know that she had a conservation with some housemates in the early days and explaining her condition…she’s diagnosed apparently with ADHD and displays Autistic traits …that so far as I know is her diagnosis and condition…which would mean that she’s on the Autism spectrum because of whatever traits she displays…I mean, I don’t know what of that is self diagnosed, that she said …oh, I think that I might be ..etc…?…I’ve never understood the ‘self diagnosis’ bit and I’ve missed where that was specifically said….

I don't know either, but if someone can figure out an approximate episode and scenario, I'm willing to go back and clip it... for entertainment purposes only, obviously. (for discussion purposes)

All that said, it's not really that critical to my opinion of Ali how autistic or how not autistic they are. If a person has a soul, I can look through a lot of socially unacceptable traits to see the good in people. :laugh: It's not that complicated for me to find a little bit of grace to dig up there. So it has absolutely no bearing on my opinion whether she is self-diagnosed or board certified Autistic. It's more her treatment of others that set off red flags for me in the house.

I will say it does confirm *she* feels she has difficulties interacting with others beyond the average. That's fair and I don't think her behavior, whatever it is, has to take away from her own admissions to having difficulties there.. it's not fun to be in a house full of people one really can't relate to (See: Izaaz), so whether Autistic or not, I can see where that is really uncomfortable and can ruin the experience for any person.

[ebandit]

You just described a classic autistic trait incidentally..

Wearing any kind of costume or ‘dressing up’ is completely abhorrent to probably 99% of people on the spectrum .. to put things into perspective .


I have never worn any kind of costume in all of my life … silly pretend play is impossible

I never even did drama at high school as it severely stressed me out - they allowed me to do the sound and lighting ..


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except ali did dress up...........and did not describe things like this which
highlights the absurdity of your post..........you shoulda been watching

Mark L

[Zizu]

except ali did dress up......... which highlights the absurdity of your post
Mark L


She presumably didn’t have the choice to not wear a costume which makes your comment absurd

[ebandit]

.................keep trying zizu...............earlier i posted how much i warmed to ali embracing her role she had dressed for .............perhaps you should watch

Mark L

[Parmy]

1st 2nd or third hl show for her self diagnosis, she told some hms she had adhd,( to explain herself going off for some time alone) and then told them she thinks she also has some autistic traits.

[GlitterUK]

Part of BB is the dressing up, mixing with people you wouldn't normally meet in real life and embracing the challenges and turmoil the show brings. Her having a PHD and highlighting that was just another thing she made about herself. Similar to how her and Marcello did the flower task had good fun doing it and then she had to mention toxic masculinity in the DR. Marcello looked down after that comment and it wasn't needed at all.

[Zizu]

1st 2nd or third hl show for her self diagnosis, she told some hms she had adhd,( to explain herself going off for some time alone) and then told them she thinks she also has some autistic traits.


Its not something she just made up for conversation or convenience ..

The producers knew all about her issues-sadly they gave her no protection

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[vesavius]

1st 2nd or third hl show for her self diagnosis, she told some hms she had adhd,( to explain herself going off for some time alone) and then told them she thinks she also has some autistic traits.

This is it exactly.

I am not sure why this is even still being debated. Some doctors talking about what AuHDH is has nothing to do with it.

"So, I am diagnosed with ADHD. Especially for women who had ADHD there tends to be some autistic traits as well"

The truth is that ADHD can share traits with autism, so this is not a surprise.

"Autism is very distinct from ADHD, but the core symptoms of ADHD... would appear to also be features of autism. ASD and ADHD are neurobiological disorders characterized by similar underlying neuropsychological “deficits”.

So Ali isn't lying in saying that she has some of the same traits as seen in autism, she isn't lying when she says that she is neurodivergent, but stating that she is "on the spectrum for autism" is the self diagnosed part as she is stating that without being clinically diagnosed as being autistic, only having been diagnosed for ADHD.

Ali has a carefully constructed and well-practised way of delivering the information in order to lead the listener to a given conclusion though and so many have jumped on that and hoisted her up as the poster child mascot for autism for whatever personal reason they have.

But, whatever the case is, I will repeat... An explanation is not an excuse and people with ADHD can also be dicks. Too many these days use the presence of mild autistic traits as a shield for bad behaviour.

[Christmas Lights]

This is it exactly.

I am not sure why this is even still being debated. Some doctors talking about what AuHDH is has nothing to do with it.

"So, I am diagnosed with ADHD. Especially for women who had ADHD there tends to be some autistic traits as well"

The truth is that ADHD can share traits with autism, so this is not a surprise.

"Autism is very distinct from ADHD, but the core symptoms of ADHD... would appear to also be features of autism. ASD and ADHD are neurobiological disorders characterized by similar underlying neuropsychological “deficits”.

So Ali isn't lying in saying that she has some autistic traits, she isn't lying when she says that she is neurodivergent, but stating that she is "on the spectrum for autism" is the self diagnosed part as she is stating that without being clinically diagnosed as being autistic, only having been diagnosed for ADHD.

Ali has a carefully constructed and well-practised way of delivering the information in order to lead the listener to a given conclusion though and so many have jumped on that and hoisted her up as the poster child mascot for autism for whatever personal reason they have.

But, whatever the case is, I will repeat... An explanation is not an excuse and people with ADHD can also be dicks. Too many these days use the presence of mild autistic traits as a shield for bad behaviour.

Exactly
It gives us an understanding,but they should still be held accountable.

[Zizu]

T
"Autism is very distinct from ADHD, but the core symptoms of ADHD... would appear to also be features of autism. ASD and ADHD are neurobiological disorders characterized by similar underlying neuropsychological “deficits”.

So Ali isn't lying in saying that she has some autistic traits, she isn't lying when she says that she is neurodivergent, but stating that she is "on the spectrum for autism" is the self diagnosed part as she is stating that without being clinically diagnosed as being autistic, only having been diagnosed for ADHD.

Ali has a carefully constructed and well-practised way of delivering the information in order to lead the listener to a given conclusion though and so many have jumped on that and hoisted her up as the poster child mascot for autism for whatever personal reason they have.

But, whatever the case is, I will repeat... An explanation is not an excuse and people with ADHD can also be dicks. Too many these days use the presence of mild autistic traits as a shield for bad behaviour.

Slight tangent

I can only speak for myself and explain that if I am in a group situation for any length of time my stress levels increase unbearably and I put some distance between myself and the others without them knowing ( another stress) … then I start processing things and even overthinking the situation - at that time I must appear rude as I don’t always hear if someone says something or asks me a question.
I’m not being rude though - just kinda zoned out ..

It’s extremely difficult and exhausting being like this … and it wasn’t a life choice either

Not an excuse just an explanation

I wish people would just cut her some slack - she will have loads of coping mechanisms/ strategies in the outside world.. sadly none of them are available to her in the house PLUS the BB experience is incredibly demanding for ‘normal’ people so she deserves recognition for just surviving this long !!


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[vesavius]

Slight tangent

I can only speak for myself and explain that if I am in a group situation for any length of time my stress levels increase unbearably and I put some distance between myself and the others without them knowing ( another stress) … then I start processing things and even overthinking the situation - at that time I must appear rude as I don’t always hear if someone says something or asks me a question.
I’m not being rude though - just kinda zoned out ..

It’s extremely difficult and exhausting being like this … and it wasn’t a life choice either

Not an excuse just an explanation


I understand and appreciate your situation.

[ebandit]

the normally quietly speaking ali surprised me calling out loudly 'we love you' when dean left....................

her 'queer pyramid' becoming rather one dimensional.......................

Mark L

[Christmas Lights]

People keep bringing up Ali's condition , and ok I get it ...but at the same time she agreed to be on the show. And she's not a child, and she's in the same boat as everyone else...her mind just functions a little differently,and same with her behaviour & social cues.

She isn't the only housemate who's had a condition similar to that ,and she is not ill . So I think it's kind of ' kid glove ' mentality to keep treating her like she's some fragile piece of glass ,but I will say there has been a sense of tip toe feeling. But at the moment she seems to be getting involved more ,and not analysing as much ...which is definitely a better way to go about things.

Through BB history , there's been every type of inclusive housemate...who has had to deal or struggle with their own issues & problems.

Controversially ,some previous housemates should never have been put in BB . So I wouldn't say Ali's condition is anywhere near that severe. She's obviously still managing to cope .

There's been questionable decisions in who has been let in the BB house in the past , and whether or not they passed a psych test or not . The vulnerability of individuals have actually been exploited .

But hopefully today is a little better,when people's mental health is concerned. I would like to think and hope BB has a care team at hand to help housemates,if they are finding it too stressful or difficult to process , I assume there's something in place to support them.