So when is Liam going to get chucked out?

[Sticks]

Just to be consistant, should they not have thrown Liam out forthwith for using the dreaded Q word in front of Gerry.

Context schmontext, it does not matter, he uttered the vile obscenity

Why is he still there?

Well going by the logic of some, that is the action that should have been taken. He was not even called to the diary room for a repremand. :nono:

[Kristen]

It would be a dream come true if he got kicked out.
I doubt though it would happen. The producers like who they want and they obviously didn't like Emily and like Liam.

[ryanaldinho10]

I can see your point, as why does racism take priority over homophobia, but I think the fact he was just enquiring about the Q word makes it less of a problem than when Emily aimed the N word towards someone; a very controversial subject nevertheless.

[andybigbro]

He was Askin Gerry a Question

Geez People take things the wrong way :rolleyes:

Lighten Up :rolleyes:

[Stu]

As far as I can tell , it wa'ent the word 'queer' that started a big issue back in January.

[sunlight]

let's remember they said the 'n' word when they were talking as well.

[Arneldo]

There is a big difference between "Don't push me back you ni**er" and "Is the word 'queer' offensive?".

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by Sticks
Just to be consistant, should they not have thrown Liam out forthwith for using the dreaded Q word in front of Gerry.

Context schmontext, it does not matter, he uttered the vile obscenity

Why is he still there?

Well going by the logic of some, that is the action that should have been taken. He was not even called to the diary room for a repremand. :nono:

Because context does matter. Emily should never have been thrown out. You can't say liam should be thrown out wrongly just because emily was. I don't think bb should make the same mistake twice.

Words are words and we should be allowed to use them. It is ridiculous to say we cannot say certain words or that only certain people should be allowed to say them. What if I was called a name at school and someone said it to me unknowing? Should they be chucked out? Should a housemate be chucked out every time they offend anyone?!

It's supposed to be a social experiment. These words are used everyday. Unless you want to wrap yourself in cotton wool, you're going to hear them. If it offends you to hear them on the show, then you don't have to watch- it warns you about the langauge before it starts.

[natjake2504]

keep liam in

[Matt08]

He's one of the best housemates this year. I don't want him to be evicted.

[Abraxas]

I find charleys bullying behaviour far more offensive than liam saying the Q word or even Emily using the N word. With the others it is words- used in a none aggressive context. With charley it is very aggressive and nasty towards certain housemates.

If the pc brigade want to ban all language that could offend anyone and throw to the dogs anyone that dares to use it, then they’d do pretty well starting with charley. The worst offender of them all in there…

[aj2463]

I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by aj2463
I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

And yet your favourite housemate is charley who is by far the most annoying person on the planet.

[Lauren]

Directing the word '******' towards SOMEONE was the offence took.

Asking about a word whilst not directing it at a specific person as their master status is not offensive.

Also, people saying "he should get thrown out, he's annoying" - surely thats up to the HM and public vote, not up to you. They shouldn't purposefully take offense at what he said SIMPLY because you think he is annoying.

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by Lauren
Directing the word '******' towards SOMEONE was the offence took.

Asking about a word whilst not directing it at a specific person as their master status is not offensive.

Also, people saying "he should get thrown out, he's annoying" - surely thats up to the HM and public vote, not up to you. They shouldn't purposefully take offense at what he said SIMPLY because you think he is annoying.


Emily shouldn't have been thrown out either. Context is important. BB just used her as its scapegoat.

[Lauren]

Personally I believe she shouldn't have been chucked out either, a warning would have sufficed - but even now I believe the Emily incident and the Liam "incident" were two VERY different things since one was directing it at someone and the other was simply asking a question.

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by Lauren
Personally I believe she shouldn't have been chucked out either, a warning would have sufficed - but even now I believe the Emily incident and the Liam "incident" were two VERY different things since one was directing it at someone and the other was simply asking a question.

I agree but the nit picking political correctness really bugs me! Let people say what they want. There’s always going to be someone who’s offended, that’s why it warns you about it before the show.

I don’t see why racist or homophobic language should be prioritised any more than other offensive behaviours. Charley may hear the N word used derogatorily and the same with Gerry and the Q word but everyone is brought up differently. I could have been called a name all the time and that word could really offend me if someone called it me. Bullies will always use the things about us that are different to get to us and upset us.

I don’t think we should favour anyone else’s offence over another.

[janine_luv_xx]

oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol


Shouting in someone face, ‘telling them like it is’ IS bullying. If someone were fat and I went up and told them how it is, that would not be a very nice thing to do. Sometimes you have to learn a bit of tact and know when to keep your mouth shut.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

Okay, for a moment (if you please) imagine this for me.

Someone goes up to a disabled child on the street and starts calling them all the names under the sun about their condition, pushing them about etc.

They're free to do that, because they're "telling it how it is"? There is a line, Charley occasionally steps over it.

Edit: I wasn't saying Charley would do the example, I was just suggesting an extreme example of how the phrase 'telling it how it is' could be taken.

[janine_luv_xx]

and of course charley wouldnt do that to an extreme so why suggest that?

[Dan_]

How else was he supposed to go about asking the question without using that word? Completely ridiculous suggestion that he should be thrown out.

[Verloren]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

Charley being nice to gerry so she doesn’t get nominated, then laughing to nicky about this whilst bitching about gerry, ziggy and chanelle. Charley stating the twins have a game plan, then playing with Amanda in the garden. Charley telling housemates all hell will break loose because they nominated her in a game where you have to nominate! Charley throwing water over gerry over a difference of opinion. Charley telling people when they can and can’t talk during her arguments, telling them to butt out as if she owns the argument, whilst buttering up other housemates that may be otherwise able to turn the argument against her.

Yes, I can see why you’d think charley was “real” and not a bully :conf::conf::conf:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Just to be consistant, should they not have thrown Liam out forthwith for using the dreaded Q word in front of Gerry.

Context schmontext, it does not matter, he uttered the vile obscenity

Why is he still there?

Well going by the logic of some, that is the action that should have been taken. He was not even called to the diary room for a repremand. :nono:

Well Charley uses the dreaded N word and was eventually called into the diary room for only "a quiet word".

Yet the context of the word is not important, only the word itself, we are told.

So surely she should have been kicked out instead of £ndemol and C4 hiding it by not broadcasting it ?.

The word itself is so offensive regardless of context, apparently, that C4 cut all uses of and references to Guy Gibsons dog when they screend The Dam Busters on Saturday.

So why don't they change the name of the show to "Charleys Brother" and quit with the pretence ?

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by Verloren
Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

Charley being nice to gerry so she doesn’t get nominated, then laughing to nicky about this whilst bitching about gerry, ziggy and chanelle. Charley stating the twins have a game plan, then playing with Amanda in the garden. Charley telling housemates all hell will break loose because they nominated her in a game where you have to nominate! Charley throwing water over gerry over a difference of opinion. Charley telling people when they can and can’t talk during her arguments, telling them to butt out as if she owns the argument, whilst buttering up other housemates that may be otherwise able to turn the argument against her.

Yes, I can see why you’d think charley was “real” and not a bully :conf::conf::conf:


Now the charley fans will tell you none of that actually happened and that we should keep charley in because she is “entertainment”. She didn’t glass saskia in a club and she doesn’t start arguments, say nasty personal things to people, lie to stop people nominating her and shout very loudly and aggressively at people.

As usual with her fanbase, any evidence showing she is a backstabbing bully is ignored, whilst any suggesting she is a funny and likable housemate is emphasized 100 fold.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
and of course charley wouldnt do that to an extreme so why suggest that?

Because, as I've already explained (and perhaps you've already read?) it shows the extent to which "tells it how it is" can be taken.

Fully understood yet?

[ChelseaFan]

Originally posted by andybigbro
He was Askin Gerry a Question

Geez People take things the wrong way :rolleyes:

Lighten Up :rolleyes:
+1 Well said.

[blackgloves]

So Queer as Folk is wrong because forgetting the context of it has the word Queer in it?

Liam asked a question, and an important question at that. The Emily saga was blown way out of proportion imo.

[Verloren]

Originally posted by Abraxas
Originally posted by Verloren
Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

Charley being nice to gerry so she doesn’t get nominated, then laughing to nicky about this whilst bitching about gerry, ziggy and chanelle. Charley stating the twins have a game plan, then playing with Amanda in the garden. Charley telling housemates all hell will break loose because they nominated her in a game where you have to nominate! Charley throwing water over gerry over a difference of opinion. Charley telling people when they can and can’t talk during her arguments, telling them to butt out as if she owns the argument, whilst buttering up other housemates that may be otherwise able to turn the argument against her.

Yes, I can see why you’d think charley was “real” and not a bully :conf::conf::conf:


Now the charley fans will tell you none of that actually happened and that we should keep charley in because she is “entertainment”. She didn’t glass saskia in a club and she doesn’t start arguments, say nasty personal things to people, lie to stop people nominating her and shout very loudly and aggressively at people.

As usual with her fanbase, any evidence showing she is a backstabbing bully is ignored, whilst any suggesting she is a funny and likable housemate is emphasized 100 fold.

:thumbs:

[janine_luv_xx]

gerry went to throw the water over her 1st!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
gerry went to throw the water over her 1st!

Yes but he didn't - which is why Charley could actually be held in a court of law over this (very extreme, she won't be, but if Gerry wanted to hold charges over her he could).

She committed a battery offence by throwing that water over him.

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
gerry went to throw the water over her 1st!

Do you see what I mean? You are already defending charley over gerry! She still throw water properly over him and the other things are true.

She is vile, deal with it!

[aj2463]

Originally posted by Abraxas
Originally posted by aj2463
I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

And yet your favourite housemate is charley who is by far the most annoying person on the planet.

Yea but She ain't fake like them, She says things how They are instead of acting all sweet so no one nominates Her!!

[DiscoGnome]

Originally posted by aj2463
Originally posted by Abraxas
Originally posted by aj2463
I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

And yet your favourite housemate is charley who is by far the most annoying person on the planet.

Yea but She ain't fake like them, She says things how They are instead of acting all sweet so no one nominates Her!!


"She says things how they are"?

Like, you mean on Friday when she completely lied?

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by aj2463
Originally posted by Abraxas
Originally posted by aj2463
I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

And yet your favourite housemate is charley who is by far the most annoying person on the planet.

Yea but She ain't fake like them, She says things how They are instead of acting all sweet so no one nominates Her!!


But charley admitted that she did act all sweet so she didn't get nominated? :conf::conf::conf:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by aj2463
Originally posted by Abraxas
Originally posted by aj2463
I would love Him to leave because He's so annoying. My dream would be Liam and Amanda evicted in double eviction x

And yet your favourite housemate is charley who is by far the most annoying person on the planet.

Yea but She ain't fake like them, She says things how They are instead of acting all sweet so no one nominates Her!!

When you enter the BB house you have a choice of two angle games to play
i) To be nicey-nicey to your fellow HMs and rarely be up for nomination or
ii) To be exciting, argumentative, entertaining, vindictive.... you'll be put up for nomination but the public will ALWAYS keep you in.

Just because Charley aint playing i) doesn't mean she's not playing ii).

[Wasted]

I don't think Liam should be kicked out, he was just asking if it was offensive or not, I'm sure that if Emily was asking Charley whether the n word was offensive or not instead of actually using it to refer to Charley then she probably wouldn't have been kicked out neither.

But I am surprised that nothing was done about it, a spokeswoman said that Big Brother (or Channel 4, I forget) thought that the n word was unacceptable to use under any circumstances, no matter what the context. So I am surprised that a homophobic term was treated differently. But don't get me wrong, I don't think Liam should be chucked out. Well, I DO think he should be chucked out because he's a terrible housemate but not for asking if that word was offensive.

[Matt]

It was a casual discussion about the word in question. At no point did I actually hear him calling anyone the Q word.

If he is kicked out over that then I have lost all faith in BB.

[speedking]

Its funny how people only hear what they want to,liam just asked the question how else do we learn,also so gerry went on to talk about black history slaverey e.t.c should we chuck gerry out because hes not black then no, come on get with the context of the conversation.

[SiMoN!]

if he dose then so should charley because she use the 'N' word

[Feral]

queer Pronunciation[kweer] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, verb, noun
–adjective
1. strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice.
2. of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.
3. not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.
4. mentally unbalanced or deranged.
5. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
a. homosexual.
b. effeminate; unmanly.

This 'argument' is quite laughable - Liam asked a question whether it was offensive to call a homosexual man a 'queer' as in number 5 of the dictionary term being disparaging and/or offensive. Gerry replied 'yes it can be seen as offensive' and Liam was satisfied with the answer. Liam did not use the term to offend or belittle a demographic of society therefore no warning was given nor should he be kicked out.

If I was to say 'I am feeling a little queer today' am I then stating an offence for using the word in context 3?

As Liam has now asked the question and received an answer then to use the word as an offensive remark then it would be safe to say that he is due a warning or be kicked out.

[speedking]

I also think gerry quite enjoyed the conversation he went on explaining the meaning of the q word and its history,see we all learn something whats so bad about that.

[Fom]

If emily had said "Does the word "n" offend you?"
She wouldnt get kicked out, its just the fact she aimed the word at a blackp person she got kicked out.

Liam did no wrong.

[speedking]

Very well said feral i totally agree.

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Originally posted by Verloren
Originally posted by janine_luv_xx
oh give over! dont know why yous keep saying charleys a bully when she isnt! she tells it how it is! she is not bullying anybody in that house! ever since january thats all yous hav went on about people BULLYING people! anyways keep liam in hes fit! lol

Charley being nice to gerry so she doesn’t get nominated, then laughing to nicky about this whilst bitching about gerry, ziggy and chanelle. Charley stating the twins have a game plan, then playing with Amanda in the garden. Charley telling housemates all hell will break loose because they nominated her in a game where you have to nominate! Charley throwing water over gerry over a difference of opinion. Charley telling people when they can and can’t talk during her arguments, telling them to butt out as if she owns the argument, whilst buttering up other housemates that may be otherwise able to turn the argument against her.

Yes, I can see why you’d think charley was “real” and not a bully :conf::conf::conf:

Yeah but it's like what everyone is saying... It really is the Charley Show this year! Just get the two faced, sellfish bitch out once and for all!!! :mad::mad:

[BigBrotherFan..*]

he didnt say your a Q*** To him did he he was just asking wether it is a offensive to calle someone it what a stupid question imagine getting kiked out for that and i thought emily getting kiked out was stupid everyone needs to calm down over all the offensiveness

[Sticks]

Actually I was not thinking of Charley at all, so what ever you think about her, can we leave that to one side?

Emily used the N word in a non racist context, which was not carried on the live feed. The circle that she moved in threw it around as a term of endearment.

Yet

She was kicked out in the small hours in her nightie. (I was surprised they did not have the police their to arrest her on the grounds of suspected incitement to commit racial hatred to put her in a freezing cell with no extra coat to wear)

Laura uses a word against a straight person and is reprimanded because a few viewers complained (Gerry did not take offence at all)

So if the merest utterance of a word is a hanging offence in one case then why not in all cases.

To be consistent Channel 4 would be expected to clump down with it's nut-cracking-sledgehammer on Liam as well, for uttering the Q word.

But nothing

Channel 4 has been inconsistent

Bringing Charlie back in, here, it has been reported that she was given a quiet word about the N word, showing a clear double standard, hence the official complaint put in by Emily

Emily was branded a racist and kicked out as a sacrificial lamb because of the OfCom adjudication for alleged racism in CBB, (which is also contested)

If the CBB scandal had been one of bullying a homosexual, would Emily have been spared and Laura kicked out and a reprimand to Liam?

O consistency thou art a jewel