BBC1 HD 6pm to 8.25pm.Live Final. Strictly Come Dancing. Saturday 14th December 2024.

[Kate!]

Separate thread to discuss the very important final.

[arista]

Fantastic Final
Should be great on Saturday

[arista]

Adding this
Taken from Jakes great thread:

Songs For The Final:

Chris and Dianne

Showdance to you get what you give by New Radicals

Couples Choice to Instant Karma(We all Shine on) by John Lennon

Waltz to You'll never walk alone by Gerry and the peacemakers


JB and Lauren

Showdance to Motown Medley

Viennese Waltz to Lets go fly a kite from Mary Poppins

Samba to Mas Qué Nada by Sergio Mendes


Sarah and Vito

Showdance to Cabaret by Metropole Orkest

American Smooth to Proud by Heather Small

Cha Cha Cha to Like a Prayer by Madonna


Tasha and Alijaz

Showdance to Sing Sing Sing by Benny Goodman

Couples Choice to What about us by Pink

American Smooth to Someone you loved by Lewis Capaldi

[Vanessa]

So exciting. Cant wait.

[millyrose]

It's going to be great.

[Kate!]

Massively rooting for a JB win

[Kate!]

Strictly Come Dancing winner odds from Boyle Sports
1/10 - Chris McCausland
11/2 - JB Gill
20/1 - Sarah Hadland
20/1 - Tasha Ghouri

[arista]

Massively rooting for a JB win


Yes he is working hard

[jones89]

I’ve been rooting for Sarah the whole time and i’d love her to win but i can see JB taking it, he’s had a good few weeks back to back

[arista]

I’ve been rooting for Sarah the whole time and i’d love her to win but i can see JB taking it, he’s had a good few weeks back to back

Yes great two dancer's

[Nicky91]

my dream final would've been

Jamie & Michelle

TeamMoJo

Shayne & Nancy

Sarah & Vito

tbh



i'm watching but in terms of the finalists, the excitement has been ruined since we all know Chris is gonna win (hopefully not as that would ruin the show's credibility as a dance show)



honestly Chris ain't a too bad dancer, his ballrooms are nice, but in his latins he tends to be too much all over the place, in early weeks the surprise factor was nice to have in the competition but him as a landslide contender :umm2:

[Vanessa]

I would love JB to win it.
But I get the feeling Chris will win.
I remember being so disappointed Danny Mac didn't win. Hr was so brilliant.

[millyrose]

I would love Chris to win he has been fantastic. I would be happy with any off them winning they have all been great.

[Nicky91]

think Chris's showdance could be similar-ish to Bill Bailey's :think:


telling a story, also think we might see quite a various amount of dance styles in there

[Vanessa]

Just been at the Coop. Got plenty of nibbles for tonight :cheer2:

[Vanessa]

think Chris's showdance could be similar-ish to Bill Bailey's :think:


telling a story, also think we might see quite a various amount of dance styles in there

I'm looking forward to it. And he's really good at ballroom, so I'm glad he's doing that again.

[Vanessa]

A 40 for JB and Lauren VW. Yay :cheer2:

[Kate!]

A 40 for JB and Lauren VW. Yay :cheer2:

Yes I'm thrilled!! Come on guys

[Vanessa]

Can't wait to dance to their showdance :dance:

[Kate!]

Can't wait to dance to their showdance :dance:

I'm really enjoying this.

[joeysteele]

Really good from JB and Lauren.

I expect all will be overall good tonight,

[Vanessa]

Love this couples choice.
Lol Alijaz is out of breath :joker:

[joeysteele]

Really good too.
That was a really strong routine.

[joeysteele]

Chris and Dianne were good too.
I wasn't too enthralled by it though.

[Vanessa]

Chris and Dianne were good too.
I wasn't too enthralled by it though.

Yeah they've done better dances than that.

[joeysteele]

Really liked that from Sarah and Vito.

[Vanessa]

Brilliant showdance from JB and Lauren :dance:

[joeysteele]

Really good again from JB and Lauren.

[Kate!]

Omg lol lol. I thought Chris was off the scale. He's amazing.

I'm still voting JB, he's my winner but they are all so good tonight! X

[joeysteele]

Loved that.

[Vanessa]

Another great showdance.

[Kate!]

Tasha is so elegant

[Kate!]

40!!!!

[Vanessa]

So far two brilliant showdances. Hope the other two don't disappoint.

[Vanessa]

Mmm wasn't wowed by that.

[Kate!]

I was tearful watching Chris just now. He's Mt other choice to win if it can't be JB.

[Vanessa]

Wish they had done a rock based showdance like Joe and Dianne. That would have been epic.

[Kate!]

I want this to get all 10s.

[joeysteele]

Mmm wasn't wowed by that.

Was good but for me it was shaded out a bit by the others tonight.

[Vanessa]

Brilliant showdance. Loved it.

[joeysteele]

Great routine.
Hate that tune though.

[Kate!]

Great routine.
Hate that tune though.

Yep I'm with you on the song

[Barry.]

I’m hoping Sarah wins but I don’t mind who wins now

[Vanessa]

Brilliant. Love that samba.

[Kate!]

Spectacular Samba

[joeysteele]

JB has delivered tonight
Despite my dislike for Samba dances.

[Kate!]

Ahh Tasha. Beautiful.

[joeysteele]

Gorgeous that was.

[joeysteele]

Very nice too from Chris and Diane.

[Kate!]

Very nice too from Chris and Diane.

Crying with him here. Very emotional.

[Kate!]

Vito is seriously HOT in those trousers.

[Barry.]

Vito is seriously HOT in those trousers.

What if they fell off :O

[Kate!]

What if they fell off :O

Ooooh la la.

[joeysteele]

Really great routine.

I wasn't looking forward to this final but it's been extremely good.
Powerful routines.

[Kate!]

Lots of 10s tonight.

[Vanessa]

Jamie. I miss him. But will see him at the tour. :love:

[joeysteele]

This dancing of them all is brilliant

[Kate!]

Loved that group performance

[joeysteele]

I've voted for Sarah myself but I still think Chris will be the more likely winner with the public.

[arista]

Who Won?

[Vanessa]

Who Won?

Chris and Dianne

[arista]

Terrible Winner

Chris

Political Win

[joeysteele]

For no negative reason at all
That has dampened a really good final for me.

Well done obviously but it's not the best.

[Vanessa]

For no negative reason at all
That has dampened a really good final for me.

Well done obviously but it's not the best.

I just don't know what people see in him. No offense to his fans.

[Mystic Mock]

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

[Mystic Mock]

Terrible Winner

Chris

Political Win

This.

[GoldHeart]

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

[jones89]

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

Yeah those 3 were amazing!.. i have a feeling it would be..

1- Chris
2- JB
3- Sarah
4- Tasha

[joeysteele]

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

You've said it from early on in the series.
You were right Mock.

[Strictly Jake]

I am so so so over the moon Chris and Dianne won. Yes he wasn't the strongest dancer, probably the weakest of the 4. However as was the overall theme of the final, that partnership between Chris and Dianne was one of the most beautiful partnerships I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing on strictly come dancing. I'm firstly over the moon that finally Dianne has managed to lift a Glitterball, but Chris wow, it isn't a sympathy vote as members on here are saying, as I feel no sympathy for him, there's no reason to feel sorry for him and he doesn't feel sorry for himself, he's an exceptional man, that absolutely defied my early expectations of him, and they absolutely deserved it

But huge congratulations to the other finalists who were all absolutely brilliant and delivered my most favourite final of all time. Thank you

[Kate!]

I am so so so over the moon Chris and Dianne won. Yes he wasn't the strongest dancer, probably the weakest of the 4. However as was the overall theme of the final, that partnership between Chris and Dianne was one of the most beautiful partnerships I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing on strictly come dancing. I'm firstly over the moon that finally Dianne has managed to lift a Glitterball, but Chris wow, it isn't a sympathy vote as members on here are saying, as I feel no sympathy for him, there's no reason to feel sorry for him and he doesn't feel sorry for himself, he's an exceptional man, that absolutely defied my early expectations of him, and they absolutely deserved it

But huge congratulations to the other finalists who were all absolutely brilliant and delivered my most favourite final of all time. Thank you

This!

I liked Chris, thought he was a good dancer tbf, and that's despite his disability, not because of it.

His journey was amazing and his win reflected the incredibly hard work he 100% put in to do what he did.

I'm sad that anyone would detract from his victory, imo it was deserved. Nothing personal against anyone who's expressed their disappointment, just that on this topic we don't agree.

And of the four of them I think it by far meant to the most to.him to seal the win.

Congrats Chris and Diane, I voted JB but you have a prominent place in my heart.

[Cherie]

I didn't watch the series but watched the final, thought it was great, and Chris was a very deserved winner, don't think his disability had anything to do with it,the partnership and trust he had with Dianne was amazing

[Mystic Mock]

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.

[Mystic Mock]

You've said it from early on in the series.
You were right Mock.

The one time that I didn't want to be right though Joey.:bawling:

I'm sure Chris is a decent guy (when he isn't just cracking jokes all of the time) but the Show knows that it's Human instinct to root for the "underdog" and obviously there is probably no bigger underdog in a dancing contest than a blind person, because again the majority of the public are going to pity a blind person and vote for them to make themselves feel better, and that it's "the right thing to do." And "look at how amazing he is doing, let's see how the others danced if they were blindfolded." It can border on being patronizing sometimes imo.

And I just know that if I was one of the other finalists (as I am a very competitive person) I would not want to feel like I wasted my time on the Show for 13 weeks, because there was a big sympathy vote going on towards someone else, that would make me livid tbh.

[Kate!]

Aah Mock, my cynical little sweetheart:laugh:

I love reading your opinions, you're very passionate about the show, and always a good read.

However lol, as judges may say...I'm going to disagree with some of your assessment.

I do get your point of view and there will be people who share it, so I'm not going to be negative, just want to say that for me personally...well he won despite the disability and not because of it. I even forgot about the blind aspect while watching him he was that good in my eyes. It just makes him even more incredible that he had such a disability at all. You'd be forgiven for thinking he could see! The lifts, jumping off chairs, utterly amazing. I enjoyed every performance he gave.

I'm so pleased and proud he won in the end even though my votes went to JB who was also utterly off the scale.

I thoroughly loved all 4 last night, and felt any of them would be totally worthy winners.

I feel that the other finalists were genuinely thrilled with him winning, it was written on their faces. Nobody pulled a face or anything. So I don't think there are any grievances there either. I think they were all just very proud to get to the final against such strong competition this year. A truly great series.

Chris you're a hero of mine, and a graceful champion. I've loved you throughout.

Xxxx

[Mystic Mock]

Aah Mock, my cynical little sweetheart:laugh:

I love reading your opinions, you're very passionate about the show, and always a good read.

However lol, as judges may say...I'm going to disagree with some of your assessment.

I do get your point of view and there will be people who share it, so I'm not going to be negative, just want to say that for me personally...well he won despite the disability and not because of it. I even forgot about the blind aspect while watching him he was that good in my eyes. It just makes him even more incredible that he had such a disability at all. You'd be forgiven for thinking he could see! The lifts, jumping off chairs, utterly amazing. I enjoyed every performance he gave.

I'm so pleased and proud he won in the end even though my votes went to JB who was also utterly off the scale.

I thoroughly loved all 4 last night, and felt any of them would be totally worthy winners.

I feel that the other finalists were genuinely thrilled with him winning, it was written on their faces. Nobody pulled a face or anything. So I don't think there are any grievances there either. I think they were all just very proud to get to the final against such strong competition this year. A truly great series.

Chris you're a hero of mine, and a graceful champion. I've loved you throughout.

Xxxx

Fair enough I suppose, and tbf in the grand scheme of things Chris winning Strictly Come Dancing is not the biggest press for concern that we have in the world right now, far from it.

I just miss the days when a Strictly winner happened and there weren't some big theme behind it, Ellie came close last year for me, but the whole talking like a 9 year old ruined it for me if I'm to be really picky about it with her.:laugh:

Because I have had loads of Seasons of Strictly where my personal favourite didn't win, but I want to feel like the winner won because the public just liked them.

Like to make sense of what I'm saying I'll use Jay from The Wanted, when he won that was just it, there was no soundbites to make his win feel special to his fans, he just won through his actions on the Show, plus a really good Jive.:joker:

But that was it for Jay, he weren't anything out of this world being put on a huge pedestal compared to his fellow contestants.

The same can be said for other winners like Caroline Flack, Abbey Clancy, Ore, and Louis Smith.

They all won and there was never any patronizing commentary from the judges, nor did the public treat any of them like they were little kids, which does really put me off the disabled contestants on Strictly if I'm to be entirely honest. It's one of the main reasons why I was never a big fan of Tasha either in this series.

I get that you liked him though Kate, and tbf there's a lot worse that you and all of us could be doing than voting for someone to win Strictly.

[Kate!]

Fair enough I suppose, and tbf in the grand scheme of things Chris winning Strictly Come Dancing is not the biggest press for concern that we have in the world right now, far from it.

I just miss the days when a Strictly winner happened and there weren't some big theme behind it, Ellie came close last year for me, but the whole talking like a 9 year old ruined it for me if I'm to be really picky about it with her.:laugh:

Because I have had loads of Seasons of Strictly where my personal favourite didn't win, but I want to feel like the winner won because the public just liked them.

Like to make sense of what I'm saying I'll use Jay from The Wanted, when he won that was just it, there was no soundbites to make his win feel special to his fans, he just won through his actions on the Show, plus a really good Jive.:joker:

But that was it for Jay, he weren't anything out of this world being put on a huge pedestal compared to his fellow contestants.

The same can be said for other winners like Caroline Flack, Abbey Clancy, Ore, and Louis Smith.

They all won and there was never any patronizing commentary from the judges, nor did the public treat any of them like they were little kids, which does really put me off the disabled contestants on Strictly if I'm to be entirely honest. It's one of the main reasons why I was never a big fan of Tasha either in this series.

I get that you liked him though Kate, and tbf there's a lot worse that you and all of us could be doing than voting for someone to win Strictly.

Another great post Mock, as I said I always enjoy reading what you write, it's coherent and engaging. Thank you my fellow Strictly Fan for your enthusiasm x

[Mystic Mock]

Another great post Mock, as I said I always enjoy reading what you write, it's coherent and engaging. Thank you my fellow Strictly Fan for your enthusiasm x

Thanks Kate, I enjoy reading your posts too.

Especially when on differing sides, because you might help me understand the other side's POV a bit better.

[Kate!]

Thanks Kate, I enjoy reading your posts too.

Especially when on differing sides, because you might help me understand the other side's POV a bit better.

Same here Mock.

I love that bond you and Joey have with your favourites each year. You really do share tastes.

[Mystic Mock]

Same here Mock.

I love that bond you and Joey have with your favourites each year. You really do share tastes.

Thanks Kate.:blush:

Joey is a fantastic friend on here, he just seems to understand my mindset really well, even if he might not always agree with me.

[Kate!]

Thanks Kate.:blush:

Joey is a fantastic friend on here, he just seems to understand my mindset really well, even if he might not always agree with me.

:lovedup: I'm the same with Vanessa, we seem to like the same contestants etc. And we never fallout over minor differences which are rare anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

:lovedup: I'm the same with Vanessa, we seem to like the same contestants etc. And we never fallout over minor differences which are rare anyway.

It can be great to have that kind of friendship on the Forum I think.

And I love your friendship with Vanessa.

[Nicky91]

alright

what a final that was!!!!!!!!

i wanna take back my words, about Chris not being a deserving glitterball champion, because those 3 dances of his last night, wow, i especially love how joyous his showdance was, with all the best bits of his strictly journey, also loved him singing along to that iconic track


loved the poem from Craig to him :love:



all 4 would've been worthy champions but like what our tv icon Henny Huisman says ''er kan er maar een de winnaar zijn - there can only be one winner''


Dianne definitely deserves the glitterball for her hard work with Chris, can be seen to some as a sympathy win, but tbh mind you that Chris unlike the other contestants also isn't able to watch his performances back, he fully has to trust Dianne to do everything right, to explain everything right to him


i do believe they also remain friends, Dianne is friends with almost all of her past celeb partners, including her first partner, Rev Richard (whom she only lasted 3 weeks with)




JB & Lauren also did amazing i thought, and their motown showdance was phenomenal!


Tasha & Aljaz had me in tears as well, i also believe they will also remain friends, can deffo see Tasha going shopping with Janette for example, or them watching Tasha in those dance competitions, also very cute her brother came over all the way from australia :flutter: i mean if they can manage that for Dianne's parents, why not for Tasha's brother too, very lovely :D


Sarah & Vito, that cabaret showdance was so artsy, so stylish, so cool :lovedup: also Sarah has a child with down syndrome :think: :flutter: i saw him sitting next to her mom and someone else so that's why i was thinking that




as for the eliminated group number, shame Nick Knowles couldn't be there in person, recently had a successful knee surgery, wishing him a speedy recovery so he can continue with his shows again, Paul Merson probably had football pundit duties :think: couldn't be there in time i think, but lovely their faces were there anyway :fan:

all those best bits, Santa Goth Sam's rocky horror moment :D


Jamie with the ketchup song :love:


Wynne's operatic moment of wonderfulness :flutter:



Toyah with her cougar nutbush city limits filth :love:



all in all a superb finish to a superb 20th anniversary series :love:

[joeysteele]

The one time that I didn't want to be right though Joey.:bawling:

I'm sure Chris is a decent guy (when he isn't just cracking jokes all of the time) but the Show knows that it's Human instinct to root for the "underdog" and obviously there is probably no bigger underdog in a dancing contest than a blind person, because again the majority of the public are going to pity a blind person and vote for them to make themselves feel better, and that it's "the right thing to do." And "look at how amazing he is doing, let's see how the others danced if they were blindfolded." It can border on being patronizing sometimes imo.

And I just know that if I was one of the other finalists (as I am a very competitive person) I would not want to feel like I wasted my time on the Show for 13 weeks, because there was a big sympathy vote going on towards someone else, that would make me livid tbh.

I agree with you in the main Mock.

I actually do know people who were voting for him and one reason was he was blind, the other for his humerous comments.
It has been for some time, it's not a dancing competition really, which is sad in itself however that's where it is now.

It was a really good final and some incredible dancing from in the main only amateurs.
I was disappointed in the end but 3 of my own former favourites on the Strictly journey were out over the last weeks.
It wouldn't have made any difference though, as I still agree with you that this series was decided just about in the very early weeks of this series.

Which doesn't bode well for future series.
However well done to all the finalists even though none had any real chance of winning.
Plus well done to Chris and Dianne.
There's no doubt she was a brilliant teacher to Chris.
However again she's not the only brilliant teacher among the professionals.
Near all do their very best too with their partner and do a really great job too.
With little to no recognition for that in their cases.

[AnnieK]

I knew Chris would win, I wanted Sarah but also thought JB would have been worthy.

However, I just don't think you can take away Chris' achievement. For a blind person who has never seen the steps he was asked to perform so has no point of reference on how they should be done other that being shown through feel and word, his achievement was nothing short of outstanding.

If all the other dancers closed their eyes to learn the dances, they would still be at an advantage as they have seen the steps performed before.

I think saying it's a sympathy vote is a pretty basic response....possibly admiration at his tenacity and determination...but I don't know one person who has expressed sympathy towards Chris. :shrug:

And....he danced better than a lot of the sighted contestants. Particularly in ballroom

[Mystic Mock]

I knew Chris would win, I wanted Sarah but also thought JB would have been worthy.

However, I just don't think you can take away Chris' achievement. For a blind person who has never seen the steps he was asked to perform so has no point of reference on how they should be done other that being shown through feel and word, his achievement was nothing short of outstanding.

If all the other dancers closed their eyes to learn the dances, they would still be at an advantage as they have seen the steps performed before.

I think saying it's a sympathy vote is a pretty basic response....possibly admiration at his tenacity and determination...but I don't know one person who has expressed sympathy towards Chris. :shrug:

And....he danced better than a lot of the sighted contestants. Particularly in ballroom

Nobody is taking away the fact that Chris's standard is impressive for a blind person, at least I hope nobody is anyway.

I do personally think though that Chris was starting to become one of the three worst dancers in the competition after Paul Merson got eliminated.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with you in the main Mock.

I actually do know people who were voting for him and one reason was he was blind, the other for his humerous comments.
It has been for some time, it's not a dancing competition really, which is sad in itself however that's where it is now.

It was a really good final and some incredible dancing from in the main only amateurs.
I was disappointed in the end but 3 of my own former favourites on the Strictly journey were out over the last weeks.
It wouldn't have made any difference though, as I still agree with you that this series was decided just about in the very early weeks of this series.

Which doesn't bode well for future series.
However well done to all the finalists even though none had any real chance of winning.
Plus well done to Chris and Dianne.
There's no doubt she was a brilliant teacher to Chris.
However again she's not the only brilliant teacher among the professionals.
Near all do their very best too with their partner and do a really great job too.
With little to no recognition for that in their cases.

I 100% agree with your points Joey.

[Mystic Mock]

alright

what a final that was!!!!!!!!

i wanna take back my words, about Chris not being a deserving glitterball champion, because those 3 dances of his last night, wow, i especially love how joyous his showdance was, with all the best bits of his strictly journey, also loved him singing along to that iconic track


loved the poem from Craig to him :love:



all 4 would've been worthy champions but like what our tv icon Henny Huisman says ''er kan er maar een de winnaar zijn - there can only be one winner''


Dianne definitely deserves the glitterball for her hard work with Chris, can be seen to some as a sympathy win, but tbh mind you that Chris unlike the other contestants also isn't able to watch his performances back, he fully has to trust Dianne to do everything right, to explain everything right to him


i do believe they also remain friends, Dianne is friends with almost all of her past celeb partners, including her first partner, Rev Richard (whom she only lasted 3 weeks with)




JB & Lauren also did amazing i thought, and their motown showdance was phenomenal!


Tasha & Aljaz had me in tears as well, i also believe they will also remain friends, can deffo see Tasha going shopping with Janette for example, or them watching Tasha in those dance competitions, also very cute her brother came over all the way from australia :flutter: i mean if they can manage that for Dianne's parents, why not for Tasha's brother too, very lovely :D


Sarah & Vito, that cabaret showdance was so artsy, so stylish, so cool :lovedup: also Sarah has a child with down syndrome :think: :flutter: i saw him sitting next to her mom and someone else so that's why i was thinking that




as for the eliminated group number, shame Nick Knowles couldn't be there in person, recently had a successful knee surgery, wishing him a speedy recovery so he can continue with his shows again, Paul Merson probably had football pundit duties :think: couldn't be there in time i think, but lovely their faces were there anyway :fan:

all those best bits, Santa Goth Sam's rocky horror moment :D


Jamie with the ketchup song :love:


Wynne's operatic moment of wonderfulness :flutter:



Toyah with her cougar nutbush city limits filth :love:



all in all a superb finish to a superb 20th anniversary series :love:

I will never forget such a superb performance.:dance:

[Barry.]

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.



The first one wouldn’t work. All disabilities are different. I mean the Paralympics has different levels and different leagues for disabled people such as sight, missing limps etc so that would just not work at all.


Chris was a great winner, not just for his disability but also his dancing wasn’t bad, he scored in the 30s, that’s great. It’s not like he was getting 18, 19 etc. I did want Sarah to win mind, however, I’m not angry he won at all

[millyrose]

I am so so so over the moon Chris and Dianne won. Yes he wasn't the strongest dancer, probably the weakest of the 4. However as was the overall theme of the final, that partnership between Chris and Dianne was one of the most beautiful partnerships I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing on strictly come dancing. I'm firstly over the moon that finally Dianne has managed to lift a Glitterball, but Chris wow, it isn't a sympathy vote as members on here are saying, as I feel no sympathy for him, there's no reason to feel sorry for him and he doesn't feel sorry for himself, he's an exceptional man, that absolutely defied my early expectations of him, and they absolutely deserved it

But huge congratulations to the other finalists who were all absolutely brilliant and delivered my most favourite final of all time. Thank you


Spot on, i'm also over the moon Chris and Dianne won :cheer2: they where fantastic, it was a brilliant night they where all great.

[AnnieK]

Nobody is taking away the fact that Chris's standard is impressive for a blind person, at least I hope nobody is anyway.

I do personally think though that Chris was starting to become one of the three worst dancers in the competition after Paul Merson got eliminated.

You say you're not taking anything away from him but you have suggested that disabled contestants should be banned from participating?? In a world where they are already highly disadvantaged and at times discriminated against, you want them further discriminated in case the public see just how much harder it is for them to attain a level that their able bodied counterparts do? WOW.

I get that you were pissed off Sam was eliminated probably before she should have been....but it's pretty low to suggest that not being able bodied means they shouldn't be allowed to take part

[joeysteele]

Nobody is taking away the fact that Chris's standard is impressive for a blind person, at least I hope nobody is anyway.

I do personally think though that Chris was starting to become one of the three worst dancers in the competition after Paul Merson got eliminated.

I get totally where you're coming from.
I know you mean nothing nasty re Chris.

As I said earlier I know people who were ONLY voting for Chris because he was blind.

Furthermore, and never wanting to be impressed with the current judging panel there is.
The announcement at the start of the show was the judges votes in the final were only for guidance.
Well they had him last of the 4 finalists all through.

Personally I think particularly his first dance was far weaker than the other 3 finalists
The final was great from all 4 finalists.
However again as I said before, you have said from virtually week 3, that he would win.
You were right.
Plus it is in my view in a big part because he was blind.

I loved the final but it's either about dancing or it's not.
I guess now it's not.
Maybe it's never really been so.
It's not really a good show if it's only going to be filled with just more supporting acts for one other who has special circumstances.

[Livia]

If anyone thinks Chris's dancing wasn't good enough for the final, go away and study his footwork.

SOOOO sick of the 'pity votes' comments and the anti-disabled rhetoric. Thank God the majority see it for what it is, the joyful overcoming of something that's stopped people from dancing in the past. It's so disrespectful to Chris and the people who voted for him. It takes the shine off the whole show for me and seems a bit spiteful.

I wanted to see Sarah win, but I'm delighted for Chris. If you can't get on board with something so uplifting and give credit where it's due, maybe Strictly isn't for you.

[Livia]

I get totally where you're coming from.
I know you mean nothing nasty re Chris.

As I said earlier I know people who were ONLY voting for Chris because he was blind.

Furthermore, and never wanting to be impressed with the current judging panel there is.
The announcement at the start of the show was the judges votes in the final were only for guidance.
Well they had him last of the 4 finalists all through.

Personally I think particularly his first dance was far weaker than the other 3 finalists
The final was great from all 4 finalists.
However again as I said before, you have said from virtually week 3, that he would win.
You were right.
Plus it is in my view in a big part because he was blind.

I loved the final but it's either about dancing or it's not.
I guess now it's not.
Maybe it's never really been so.
It's not really a good show if it's only going to be filled with just more supporting acts for one other who has special circumstances.

Some people only vote for someone because they're pretty. Mock liked Sam who definitely wasn't the best dancer by any means. People like who they like. If you're looking for fair judging, maybe follow the national and world championships. If you want to see non-dancers go on a journey and improve every week, and one which us open to a public vote it's Strictly. Had the judges been called on alone to mark it, they'd have chosen Tasha, the beautiful girl with previous dance training which is unfair in itself.

I really am shocked at the response if some people to Chris's win... People I never would have expect to have reacted this way.

[joeysteele]

Some people only vote for someone because they're pretty. Mock liked Sam who definitely wasn't the best dancer by any means. People like who they like. If you're looking for fair judging, maybe follow the national and world championships. If you want to see non-dancers go on a journey and improve every week, and one which us open to a public vote it's Strictly. Had the judges been called on alone to mark it, they'd have chosen Tasha, the beautiful girl with previous dance training which is unfair in itself.

I really am shocked at the response if some people to Chris's win... People I never would have expect to have reacted this way.

Well apologies for my having a view.
However I'll respect yours while still holding onto my own.

I don't really think anyone is being anti disabled at all.
I'm certainly not.
That's an outrageous claim to make, in my view..

I've said the final was great by all 4 finalists however the win dampened my own personal enjoyment of this series.
Just as it would probably on other reality shows such as on Dancing on Ice, Big Brother or even I'm a Celeb but I've given up watching I'm a Celebrity.

[Livia]

Well apologies for my having a view.
However I'll respect yours while still holding onto my own.

I don't really think anyone is being anti disabled at all.
I'm certainly not.
That's an outrageous claim to make, in my view..

I've said the final was great by all 4 finalists however the win dampened my own personal enjoyment of this series.
Just as it would probably on other reality shows such as on Dancing on Ice, Big Brother or even I'm a Celeb but I've given up watching I'm a Celebrity.

You are very much entitled to your own view. I don't agree... However, I really don't agree with some of the comments Mock has made and I'm truly surprised at him. He is usually so nice and respects everyone. Not in this case though. Disability is strange, it could strike any one if us at any minute. I'd like to think people wouldn't want me to withdraw from the world if it happened to me.

[GoldHeart]

Nobody is taking away the fact that Chris's standard is impressive for a blind person, at least I hope nobody is anyway.

I do personally think though that Chris was starting to become one of the three worst dancers in the competition after Paul Merson got eliminated.

I agree


Chris did well with what he achieved,but he was still the weakest if we're talking technical dance ability.

Dianne is a great teacher ,and was amazing with Chris. And he put all his effort into it.And you could tell it meant alot to him

But I was rooting for JB,Sarah & Tasha as they were the best dancers . And I would have been happy if any of these 3 won. Apparently the bookies knew Chris had it in the bag aswell....as he was way ahead of everyone in the odds.

Also I never actually realised Tasha had a hearing impairment , until I saw a comment about her implant falling out...in one of the dances . Hearing disabilities are usually treated differently to blindness aswell. I'm not saying people don't sympathise with people like Tasha or even Rose ( who actually won her year) , but blindness will always carry more when it comes to disabilities...not to sound strange.

But I find it interesting how attitudes are around deafness compared to blindness, people take for granted or assume every deaf person or partially hearing person can for e.g ' lip read ' & 'sign ' , but that isn't the case . Or they just assume they'll pick things up through the feel of the rhythm / beat of dancing ( which yes is true to a point) ...but they may still find things harder to learn .

I'm probably going off on a tangent a bit ....but I saw a Waterloo road clip ,where a kid was completely deaf ...and the teachers didn't really have a clue how to make teaching accessible to him .

I thought it was very eye opening
seeing how there's a lack of training & understanding regarding deaf people ,even the lady signing/ translating for him... was still on Basic BSL , she wasn't even on the advanced level . So the boy struggled to find it coherent.

Whereas with a blind person , it's more obvious to people ...ok they know the person will need a guide or a dog etc to get around their day to day activities. You can still communicate with them with your voice or find ways etc.

[rusticgal]

I am so so so over the moon Chris and Dianne won. Yes he wasn't the strongest dancer, probably the weakest of the 4. However as was the overall theme of the final, that partnership between Chris and Dianne was one of the most beautiful partnerships I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing on strictly come dancing. I'm firstly over the moon that finally Dianne has managed to lift a Glitterball, but Chris wow, it isn't a sympathy vote as members on here are saying, as I feel no sympathy for him, there's no reason to feel sorry for him and he doesn't feel sorry for himself, he's an exceptional man, that absolutely defied my early expectations of him, and they absolutely deserved it

But huge congratulations to the other finalists who were all absolutely brilliant and delivered my most favourite final of all time. Thank you


Great post and I agree with every word you said…

Just watched the final and I sobbed through most of it. Very emotional and I loved every one of the finalists but always knew Chris would win…what an amazing achievement and a remarkable man.
My favourite to watch this year was Tasha…so stunning and so graceful. The guy from JLS made the most improvement and I loved watching him dance especially over the last 3 weeks….as for Sarah she too has been awesome.

Great show…loved every minute.

[Nicky91]

wonder who the older duffer for Dianne will be then next year :think:

[Nicky91]

think we'll have more celeb women next year again


and i reckon Nadiya is back on the bench



think Michelle will get another partner, after a decent debut partnership


Amy will take one year off i think, giving Lauren a full series


Karen could either have her ''last hurrah'' with a big name or leave

[jet]

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.

How do you feel then about those who have had a lot/some/no dance training whatsoever competing in the same contest? Tasha had a LOT of dance experience, JB had quite a lot, I don’t know about Sarah but we know Chris had absolutely none. The participants on Strictly have never been competing on an ‘equal turf’.
Given that, do you think there should be different shows for those with dance training and those with none at all?

I’m in absolute awe at how he managed to dance without getting his feet entangled with Diane’s; his footwork and positioning were exceptional, as the judges pointed out and marked accordingly.
How Diane taught him all the different moves and how he carried them out so well is astounding. I just don’t know how they did it!
I’d agree with you if he was crap and getting low marks every week, but far from it.
A remarkable achievement and an absolutely worthy winner!

[Mystic Mock]

The first one wouldn’t work. All disabilities are different. I mean the Paralympics has different levels and different leagues for disabled people such as sight, missing limps etc so that would just not work at all.


Chris was a great winner, not just for his disability but also his dancing wasn’t bad, he scored in the 30s, that’s great. It’s not like he was getting 18, 19 etc. I did want Sarah to win mind, however, I’m not angry he won at all

The disabled show would mainly be for the deaf and blind communities, that would be my vision for it anyway.

The really severe disabilities probably wouldn't be allowed on the Show in the first place I would guess.

And the judges are a joke nowadays, especially towards the end of the Show as every contestant starts scoring mid to high 30's.

If the judges were being more honest, Chris would've been in the teens with his attempt at the Paso for example, it was the worst attempt at the Paso in the entire season imo.

[Mystic Mock]

You say you're not taking anything away from him but you have suggested that disabled contestants should be banned from participating?? In a world where they are already highly disadvantaged and at times discriminated against, you want them further discriminated in case the public see just how much harder it is for them to attain a level that their able bodied counterparts do? WOW.

I get that you were pissed off Sam was eliminated probably before she should have been....but it's pretty low to suggest that not being able bodied means they shouldn't be allowed to take part

I meant that I'm not taking the quality of dances that he achieved away from him, which were impressive for a blind person to achieve, I am not going to slam Chris just for the sake of it.

But I stand by my opinion that if the competition is going to keep being destroyed by a contingent of the fandom constantly trying to push disabled contestants towards the top 5 every single year nowadays, then yes there does need to be rules amended about their participation in the competition.

And I have warned Liam about this when he accused me of being "Misogynistic" about Ali during the last BB, I don't appreciate being accused of discriminating against contestants because I have certain issues with them on the program.

Sam has nothing to do with this as she was never going to win, my main issues would be with JB, Tasha, Montell, and Shayne if that were the case, considering they were all less popular than Sam with the public at the time.

My issue with disabled contestants on Strictly (not just Chris) is that they're guaranteed to get to the second half of the competition, just because they're disabled.

I mean when has disabled person ever gone in the first three rounds of voting?

[Mystic Mock]

Some people only vote for someone because they're pretty. Mock liked Sam who definitely wasn't the best dancer by any means. People like who they like. If you're looking for fair judging, maybe follow the national and world championships. If you want to see non-dancers go on a journey and improve every week, and one which us open to a public vote it's Strictly. Had the judges been called on alone to mark it, they'd have chosen Tasha, the beautiful girl with previous dance training which is unfair in itself.

I really am shocked at the response if some people to Chris's win... People I never would have expect to have reacted this way.

I agree that it's not always about who's the best dancer should win, as I also liked Jamie and Pete who weren't the best dancers either, especially Pete :joker:

I just personally think that the Show every single year nearly in recent times trying to push "feel good" messages on the audience is irritating to me, and that's away from any disability stuff.

For me I shouldn't be able to call that Chris would win the Show just from a Newspaper headline telling me that he was going to be participating on the Show, and the main reason why he would win.

[Mystic Mock]

You are very much entitled to your own view. I don't agree... However, I really don't agree with some of the comments Mock has made and I'm truly surprised at him. He is usually so nice and respects everyone. Not in this case though. Disability is strange, it could strike any one if us at any minute. I'd like to think people wouldn't want me to withdraw from the world if it happened to me.

I never said anything about Chris or disabled people should withdraw from the world, I just say things in a blunt way which I know can offend people sometimes, even if it's not my intention.

Speaking for myself, I would not want to win any competition just because of the "feel good factor" as I would see it as deeply patronizing personally.

But that's just me.

[Mystic Mock]

How do you feel then about those who have had a lot/some/no dance training whatsoever competing in the same contest? Tasha had a LOT of dance experience, JB had quite a lot, I don’t know about Sarah but we know Chris had absolutely none. The participants on Strictly have never been competing on an ‘equal turf’.
Given that, do you think there should be different shows for those with dance training and those with none at all?

I’m in absolute awe at how he managed to dance without getting his feet entangled with Diane’s; his footwork and positioning were exceptional, as the judges pointed out and marked accordingly.
How Diane taught him all the different moves and how he carried them out so well is astounding. I just don’t know how they did it!
I’d agree with you if he was crap and getting low marks every week, but far from it.
A remarkable achievement and an absolutely worthy winner!

The ringers don't have an advantage in the public vote, which is where my complaint lies.

[AnnieK]

I meant that I'm not taking the quality of dances that he achieved away from him, which were impressive for a blind person to achieve, I am not going to slam Chris just for the sake of it.

But I stand by my opinion that if the competition is going to keep being destroyed by a contingent of the fandom constantly trying to push disabled contestants towards the top 5 every single year nowadays, then yes there does need to be rules amended about their participation in the competition.

And I have warned Liam about this when he accused me of being "Misogynistic" about Ali during the last BB, I don't appreciate being accused of discriminating against contestants because I have certain issues with them on the program.

Sam has nothing to do with this as she was never going to win, my main issues would be with JB, Tasha, Montell, and Shayne if that were the case, considering they were all less popular than Sam with the public at the time.

My issue with disabled contestants on Strictly (not just Chris) is that they're guaranteed to get to the second half of the competition, just because they're disabled.

I mean when has disabled person ever gone in the first three rounds of voting?

You absolutely are discriminating against them by saying they should be banned though :shrug:

Can you imagine saying any other demographic should be banned?

It's an entertainment show....Chris entertained millions each week.

[Mystic Mock]

You absolutely are discriminating against them by saying they should be banned though :shrug:

Can you imagine saying any other demographic should be banned?

It's an entertainment show....Chris entertained millions each week.

I said it should be up for discussion if for whatever reason the spin-off idea is out of the question.

And if the Show can't treat them like actual Human Beings by treating them equally, then yes a ban would need to be up for consideration by that point

Because what would be your solution to the fact that the disabled contestants are guaranteed to be get past the first three rounds of the competition?

[Mystic Mock]

And what other group is getting treated with kiddie gloves every single year? Because I would have the discussion about them too.

[AnnieK]

I said it should be up for discussion if for whatever reason the spin-off idea is out of the question.

And if the Show can't treat them like actual Human Beings by treating them equally, then yes a ban would need to be up for consideration by that point

Because what would be your solution to the fact that the disabled contestants are guaranteed to be get past the first three rounds of the competition?

My solution is to leave it as it is. Those with disabilities have as much right on an entertainment show as anyone else. With the **** going on in the world, the last thing I'm going to get bent out of shape about is a famous person not getting through to the next round of what is, essentially, a vanity project because the British public recognised that it's pretty hard to dance with a disability and they might chuck a vote or two at someone facing adversity

[Mystic Mock]

My solution is to leave it as it is. Those with disabilities have as much right on an entertainment show as anyone else. With the **** going on in the world, the last thing I'm going to get bent out of shape about is a famous person not getting through to the next round of what is, essentially, a vanity project because the British public recognised that it's pretty hard to dance with a disability and they might chuck a vote or two at someone facing adversity

I understand what you're saying tbf.

I personally do think that something has to be done about how this year exactly played out though.

The Show was even keeping contestants in that couldn't compete in the vote, which is a huge problem for the Show.

[Livia]

And what other group is getting treated with kiddie gloves every single year? Because I would have the discussion about them too.

Being included is not "being treated with kiddie gloves".

Honestly Mock, I'm really surprised at your stance in this.

[Mystic Mock]

Being included is not "being treated with kiddie gloves".

Honestly Mock, I'm really surprised at your stance in this.

I never said that him being included is him being treated with kiddie gloves?:conf:

My belief is that the judges were giving Chris bonus points because of his disability, which I personally do think is patronizing and is treating him with kiddie gloves.

That's just my opinion on the topic.

[Livia]

I never said that him being included is him being treated with kiddie gloves?:conf:

My belief is that the judges were giving Chris bonus points because of his disability, which I personally do think is patronizing and is treating him with kiddie gloves.

That's just my opinion on the topic.

I didn't see any unfair voting. His footwork was right, his frame was right, his timing was immaculate, he rarely went wrong... Kid gloves didn't come into it. But hey... Your opinion is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Even if it's wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't see any unfair voting. His footwork was right, his frame was right, his timing was immaculate, he rarely went wrong... Kid gloves didn't come into it. But hey... Your opinion is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Even if it's wrong.

Chris by the final was being scored similar to the other three.

That is highly questionable imo.

[jet]

The ringers don't have an advantage in the public vote, which is where my complaint lies.

I'm not getting what you mean here Mock. Could you exlpain further? :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not getting what you mean here Mock. Could you exlpain further? :shrug:

The ringers tend to do poorly in the public votes on average, so if anything they're disadvantaged in the competition where it counts.

Where as goodlooking contestants that aren't ringers, and disabled contestants (regardless of any other popular characteristics that they might have) will do well in the public vote, regardless of their performances.

To mention Sam this year for example (because Livia did mention her earlier) she clearly had a nice bump in her vote due to her looks, but was also seen as relatable because she clearly didn't have dancing experience prior to the Show.:laugh:

And obviously disabled contestants do get pushed towards the top 6 fairly often.

[Mystic Mock]

Another workaround idea that I think that the BBC could consider, see what you guys think.

The Show imo should consider casting at a minimum four disabled contestants a year.

The reason that I say this is that it stops one or two of the disabled contestants being treated differently to everyone else in the competition (because there would be a few of them on the Show) and it means that the public have a choice between a few of them rather than just one or two.

And it does mean that the public will be more likely to treat them more equally, because it wouldn't be one individual standing out for those reasons, it would mean that the public would be expecting some standards from the contestants again.

[jet]

Chris by the final was being scored similar to the other three.

That is highly questionable imo.

Why? What did you find wrong in his footwork, his positioning, the lifts, his frame? They were all excellent.

He obviously couldn't perform really tricky moves like some of the others did which are exciting and impressive to look at but don't add anything to the score board marks. :shrug:

[jet]

The ringers tend to do poorly in the public votes on average, so if anything they're disadvantaged in the competition where it counts.


Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey
Jill Halfpenny
Jay McGuiness


I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

[Mystic Mock]

Why? What did you find wrong in his footwork, his positioning, the lifts, his frame? They were all excellent.

He obviously couldn't perform really tricky moves like some of the others did which are exciting and impressive to look at but don't add anything to the score board marks. :shrug:

Chris is not at the same level as the other three imo, it's not that he was bad per say, it's more just that the other three were better dancers on a technical level.

Being fair to Chris, I would say that his dance level was clearly above people such as Paul, Toyah, Nick, and Pete, I'm not certain with him and Tom due to Tom not really lasting long enough to judge how he was progressing.

I would argue that Chris and Wynne were 50-50 depending on the night, and everyone else I would argue were better than him, in some cases it was probably to do with their age as well as being able to visually see the routines tbf.

For example Tasha is over 20 years younger than Chris, so it will show itself in the dancing, regardless of if she were trained or not, or his disability.

[Mystic Mock]

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey

I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

You've named 8 winners after 21-22 series of the Show, that's not that many really considering how many ringers have been on the Show over the years that have had dire voting that always ends up getting exposed by the end of the Show.

I mean just this series alone we've had Tasha and JB do bad in most of the votes, but the leaderboard kept shielding them.

Leyton last year didn't exactly have one of the big fanbases.

Fleur East and Molly in Hamza's year both had dire public support.

Alexandra Burke, Debbie McGhee, and Aston.

Didn't Rachel Stevens from S Club 7 also have issues in the voting in her year?

Karim in the year Kelvin won, had issues in his vote.

That's just 10 of them off the top of my head, there's probably more.

[Mystic Mock]

I just want to apologize to everyone on here with my "disabled contestants should possibly be banned" comments as it is a stupid comment for me to have made for a number of reasons.

I also have two members (that I won't name on here) that I want to apologize to, as I probably went more hostile towards them than I should have over a Celebrity dancing Show.:joker:

I do still have my issues with Chris's win (that won't change) but I could've definitely expressed that opinion a lot better.

I hope that I haven't burned any bridges with anyone on here.

[Nicky91]

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey

I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

as far as i know, Abbey, Kelvin, Bill didn't have past dance experience though?

the one thing that worked in Bill's advantage, was besides being a comedian, he also is a musician, that and the fact it was a covid pandemic reduced series


Kelvin is a natural i think, which came across more impressive since he was a late entrant (instead of Jamie Laing who was injured after the launch show group number)


Abbey was kinda mediocre early weeks but gradually turned into a dancer all thanks to Aljaz's brilliant teaching skills as well as after the halloween week shock dance off appearance ignited her fire to improve more and more




you forgot Jill Halfpenny, an actual ringer who went on to win :fan:

[Nicky91]

german version might have a disabled star too in 2025


Kristina Vogel, former olympic road cyclist, whom had a car accident recently which left her paralysed from the waist, now wheelchair bound


strictly also had a wheelchair disabled contestant too in a special, Hannah Cockroft, she danced with Pasha if i remember correctly

:think:

[jet]

as far as i know, Abbey, Kelvin, Bill didn't have past dance experience though?


According to what I've read in the past, they did. Here's one link:


BBC Strictly: Past winners with prior dance experience
https://www.mylondon.news/news/tv/bbc-strictly-fix-winner-helen-24961833

[Livia]

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey
Jill Halfpenny
Jay McGuiness


I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

I went to dance classes when I was a kid, you could never say I had real previous dance training, maybe some of these did the same kind of classes too? However, Tasha also studied commercial dance at uni, which means she would have studied a wide range of dance styles. Ashley Roberts studied dance her whole life, in fact, her mother owns a dance school and Layton Williams had already starred in a West End production of Billy Elliot. These are the dancers the judges will push through to the final but who the public will never allow to win.

[Beso]

Beaten by a blind bloke, how embarrassing.

[arista]

Beaten by a blind bloke, how embarrassing.


It was a Political Win.

[Nicky91]

Beaten by a blind bloke, how embarrassing.

It was a Political Win.

imagine hating on the visually impaired


:idc:


it was a very close call final, even scores wise too, and Chris DID have a perfect 40 for his favourite dance, that lovely slow waltz to that iconic liverpool anthem, which was very much deserving of that 40 how amazingly it was danced, pure dance content and no faffing about