Greenland debate - Trump adamant it will be his

[arista]

PM Starmer Now Live on
on Every TV News


Downing Street

[arista]

ITV left him, for the new, shorter Lorriane

BBC1 AM Dumped him as well

[arista]

PM taking Press Questions


He does not want a Tarrif War

[arista]

ITV Peston says will
he ask the King not to go to America?

[BBXX]

…it’ll be interesting, the impact on US tourism going forward …

Trump has already impacted tourism in a huge way in the last year.

Global travel has been increasing year on year since Covid. 2024 was 12% up on 2023 and 2025 was 5% on 2024. In 2025, the U.S bucked the trend on increase in travel with a 6% decrease - it's the country with the largest decrease in tourism in 2025.

Brazil, Vietnam and Egypt are the countries with the largest increases for 2025.

People just don't want to give money to the U.S and more than that, probably do not feel safe visiting.

[Ammi]

PM Starmer Now Live on
on Every TV News


Downing Street

BBC1AM Dumped him as well

…so not live on every channel, then…just mumbling on to himself …

[arista]

[so not live on every channel, then…just mumbling on to himself]

Live now on all news Channels now

Taking Press Questions


Two Press asked about the King
PM Starmer said bugger all

[Ammi]

Trump has already impacted tourism is a huge way in the last year.

Global travel has been increasing year on year since Covid. 2024 was 12% up on 2023 and 2025 was 5% on 2024. In 2025, the U.S bucked the trend on increase in travel with a 6% decrease - it's the country with the largest decrease is tourism in 2025.

Brazil, Vietnam and Egypt are the countries with the largest increases for 2025.

People just don't want to give money to the U.S and more than that, probably do not feel safe visiting.

…yeah, sorry I should have said the further impact going forward, I was thinking of any visits this year that had been planned/booked and how many now would re-think and cancel their plans …

[bots]

Starmer can't say much, he is walking a tightrope. We can take the hit on tariffs in the short term without taking retaliatory action. It likely will all have changed by 1st Feb before they even come in

[arista]

Starmer can't say much, he is walking a tightrope. We can take the hit on tariffs in the short term without taking retaliatory action. It likely will all have changed by 1st Feb before they even come in


Sure.


PM Starmer told a Press Fella
He does not think Trump will use a military takeover

[BBXX]

…yeah, sorry I should have said the further impact going forward, I was thinking of any visits this year that had been planned/booked and how many now would re-think and cancel their plans …

Oh definitely, you are totally correct - it's going to get even worse than it has been for him!

[arista]

PM Starmer Has Now Concluded


He ran off

[bots]

he wont stop at greenland. The most obvious next step would be canada and probably finland too. Then there will be cuba, columbia and mexico. That's what is in store in the next 3 years

[Ammi]

he wont stop at greenland. The most obvious next step would be canada and probably finland too. Then there will be cuba, columbia and mexico. That's what is in store in the next 3 years

…but this is the thing, many of the world countries have always maintained the stance of not giving in to terrorist demands and this is that same vein, he’s become the biggest threat to world peace and will use his power of threatening tariffs when his will isn’t bowed to…it really is the ultimate dictator behaviour…

[arista]

he wont stop at greenland. The most obvious next step would be canada and probably finland too. Then there will be cuba, columbia and mexico. That's what is in store in the next 3 years


Not Canada or Finland

[Mystic Mock]

…but this is the thing, many of the world countries have always maintained the stance of not giving in to terrorist demands and this is that same vein, he’s become the biggest threat to world peace and will use his power of threatening tariffs when his will isn’t bowed to…it really is the ultimate dictator behaviour…

Trump wants to be careful with where he is going with this imo, because Americans do pride themselves on being a "First World" country.

[arista]

Good on the EU
They will Fight Trump's new Tariffs to hit on
Sunday 1st of Feb.
Fighting back with Tarrifs on USA Goods.


Unlike Wuss PM Starmer

[bots]

Not Canada or Finland

of course canada, have you listened to anything he has said over the last year?

[Ammi]

…it’s like playing a game of chicken now, isn’t it…Trump isn’t going to back down as his ego won’t allow it, his bullying behaviour will just build more and more…

[arista]

of course canada, have you listened to anything he has said over the last year?


Yes Some time ago
he would like Canada.


I have been in Canada
it is a French-speaking nation as well as English-speaking


Trump does not speak French
it would never work

[bots]

Yes Some time ago
he would like Canada.


I have been in Canada
it is a French-speaking nation as well as English-speaking


Trump does not speak French
it would never work

the people of greenland dont speak english :laugh:

[Benjamin]

Yes Some time ago
he would like Canada.


I have been in Canada
it is a French-speaking nation as well as English-speaking


Trump does not speak French
it would never work

You know Greenland don’t speak English. Of course Canada is in his sights.

[bots]

You know Greenland don’t speak English. Of course Canada is in his sights.

half of america speaks Spanish as their native language :laugh: New Orleans is as french as Canada :laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

Copper
Diamond
Gold


Graphite
Iron ore
Nickel
Titanium-Vanadium
Tungsten
Zinc



All in The Fantastic Nation, Greenland

[bots]

Copper
Diamond
Gold


Graphite
Iron ore
Nickel
Titanium-Vanadium
Tungsten
Zinc



All in The Fantastic Nation, Greenland

and its not at all difficult to mine it

[Niamh.]

…but this is the thing, many of the world countries have always maintained the stance of not giving in to terrorist demands and this is that same vein, he’s become the biggest threat to world peace and will use his power of threatening tariffs when his will isn’t bowed to…it really is the ultimate dictator behaviour…

Absolute madness. He's a maniac

[bots]

Absolute madness. He's a maniac

He wants to be remembered in history and now he will, but for all the wrong reasons

[OnTheRight]

Sod the blubber eating, seal bashing Greenlanders.
Go Trump.

[Maru]

"No, you guys suck". This lady is me.

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But seriously, we didn't consent to this either.

[Maru]

half of america speaks Spanish as their native language :laugh: New Orleans is as french as Canada :laugh:

I could learn another language but wouldn't survive the temps.

[bots]

I could learn another language but wouldn't survive the temps.

but you would get to meet Santa:cheer2:

[Ammi]

but you would get to meet Santa:cheer2:

…:laugh:..little Miss Maru cheerleading the Donald in his quest…

[Maru]

but you would get to meet Santa:cheer2:

I'm Texan, you need to tell me there's some oil up there

[arista]

and its not at all difficult to mine it


Sure will cost big money
But so much of some of those metals are
needed for mobile phones.

As China has the most of amounts stored up.
Much from Africa.

[arista]

Sod the blubber eating, seal bashing Greenlanders.
Go Trump.


He is holding back the Military Attack.


Going in at Night would be best
arresting the government
until they sign the deal?

[Benjamin]

Sure will cost big money
But so much of some of those metals are
needed for mobile phones.

As China has the most of amounts stored up.
Much from Africa.

Not needed, wanted.

[Benjamin]

He is holding back the Military Attack.


Going in at Night would be best
arresting the government
until they sign the deal?

If he wants to spark a war. He has no rights to the place, and Greenland themselves have said they want no part of being part of USA.

[bots]

i think trump actually taking offensive action against nato countries will be a step too far for americans and the supreme court will likely strike down his use of tariffs. So the whole thing may just settle down in the next couple of weeks

[Maru]

he wont stop at greenland. The most obvious next step would be canada and probably finland too. Then there will be cuba, columbia and mexico. That's what is in store in the next 3 years

Congress could intervene among other things, but they're all too busy salivating over how they're all going to personally capitalize on this and are feverishly talking about elections, which is really inappropriate given everything going on.

It's been a few decades since I've seen so many military folk and warhawks trying to sell the American public hard on the national security aspect of this. Reminds me of the coverage pre-/early Iraq War.

Edit: Congress have been voting for Federal/military expansion over the decades so hard to believe they stop now... right now they're playing chicken as to who will dare to pull the filibuster first.

[arista]

If he wants to spark a war. He has no rights to the place, and Greenland themselves have said they want no part of being part of USA.


Yes, but Trump does not care,


Thats why Arresting the Government
and keeping them alive.

Is the only way

[bots]

Yes, but Trump does not care,


Thats why Arresting the Government
and keeping them alive.

Is the only way

that wont work in denmark because its not run by a criminal gang and is an actual democracy. You are also talking about rounding up 100's of people in a very short time, and thats not going to happen

[Maru]

Yes, but Trump does not care,


Thats why Arresting the Government
and keeping them alive.

Is the only way

I can't tell if this is advocating for protecting Greenland's interests or assisting Trump

[Benjamin]

Yes, but Trump does not care,


Thats why Arresting the Government
and keeping them alive.

Is the only way

It’s not the only way. Stop talking bollocks. He could just leave Greenland alone.

[bots]

there are plenty exit ramps for trump on this if he chooses to de-escalate. We will see over the next few weeks

The other point worth noting is that increasing tariffs will only increase those countries willingness to trade with china and the usa can get to ****

[arista]

It’s not the only way. Stop talking bollocks. He could just leave Greenland alone.


He is going to take over
Greenland the Hard Way

[Maru]

Revealed: Message Norway PM sent Trump that sparked president's Nobel outburst https://mol.im/a/15477311

[arista]

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[Maru]

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"Greenland is already Great". I like that

[Benjamin]

Russian state media praises Trump's Greenland takeover push

Listen to Donald Trump and you would think Moscow would be furious that its alleged plot to capture Greenland is being thwarted by a US takeover.

That is not the case.

In fact, the Russian government newspaper is full of praise for Trump and critical of European leaders who oppose his annexation of Greenland.

One article outlines the "stubbornness of Copenhagen" and "mock solidarity" of its European allies standing in the way of Trump's "historic breakthrough".

"If Trump annexes Greenland by 4 July 2026, when America celebrates the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, he will go down in history as a figure who asserted the greatness of the United States," writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

I have to keep reminding myself I am reading the Russian government newspaper, not a pro-Trump publication in America.

Read the full account of the Russian state press' reaction to Trump's move for Greenland here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

[Maru]

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[Ammi]

Revealed: Message Norway PM sent Trump that sparked president's Nobel outburst https://mol.im/a/15477311



….that he no longer feels an obligation to think purely of peace anymore because he wasn’t given the peace prize is one big indication of why he would never qualify for the peace prize…right, I didn’t win…let’s start invading…!!!!!!…just so crazy and no self awareness whatsoever…

[LaLaLand]

Basically a spoilt brat who has thrown his toys out of the pram because he didn’t get the NPP so is causing chaos for everyone.

Dangerous manchild.

[Ammi]

Basically a spoilt brat who has thrown his toys out of the pram because he didn’t get the NPP so is causing chaos for everyone.

Dangerous manchild.

…I imagine that FIFA a feeling a bit silly in their choice right now…Man of the World Peace Match/Trump….oh…

[bots]

….that he no longer feels an obligation to think purely of peace anymore because he wasn’t given the peace prize is one big indication of why he would never qualify for the peace prize…right, I didn’t win…let’s start invading…!!!!!!…just so crazy and no self awareness whatsoever…

it's gangster behaviour. You didn't give me what i wanted so i'm going to kick the crap out of you. Just like all gangsters, you can never satisfy them, they always want more

If i was an american citizen now, given what has been happening with ICE, i would be thinking wtf will he do to me if this is how he treats his allies.

It's the putin playbook and look what happened to the citizens of russia

[Benjamin]

…I imagine that FIFA a feeling a bit silly in their choice right now…Man of the World Peace Match/Trump….oh…

It’s going to make for a very awkward World Cup.

[Zizu]

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[Maru]

….that he no longer feels an obligation to think purely of peace anymore because he wasn’t given the peace prize is one big indication of why he would never qualify for the peace prize…right, I didn’t win…let’s start invading…!!!!!!…just so crazy and no self awareness whatsoever…

My guess is he is not being well received on the whole of late and this a narcissistic response to rejection.

[Maru]

Gold, Silver Hit Record Highs As Trump Tariffs, Greenland Row Spark Global Uncertainty
https://www.news18.com/business/savings-and-investments/gold-silver-hit-record-highs-as-trump-tariffs-greenland-row-spark-global-uncertainty-ws-l-9840755.html

Gold, Silver Prices At Record High: Gold and silver prices hit a record high at the international spot market following the rising geopolitical uncertainty over US President Donald Trump’s rhetoric to acquire Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark. Trump has gone one step further by putting additional 10 per cent tariffs on many European countries amid staunch opposition to his whimsical demand.

Greenland’s acquisition attempt by the US has thrown the world into turmoil, with the European Union scrambling to thwart it. European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen and European Council President Antonio Costa responded with a joint statement, stating that such measures would weaken transatlantic ties and could trigger a harmful cycle.

...

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[Cherie]

The Epstein files well and truly buried... distract distract distract, there is no need for him to Annex Greenland they have already told him he can have as many bases as he wants

[Maru]

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[arista]

Thats Great Maru

[Maru]

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*UK official says Trump conceded he may have been given “bad information” about European troops to Greenland

President Donald Trump conceded in a weekend phone call with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer that he may have been given “bad information” on the announcement of troop deployments from European countries to Greenland, according to a senior UK official.

Several European NATO countries announced last week that they’re deploying small numbers of military personnel to Greenland to participate in joint exercises with Denmark, drawing ire from Trump.

CNN has asked the White House for comment on the phone call.

The source added that Danish diplomats had briefed the US in advance of the public announcements. A Danish official told CNN that the deployment was not just communicated in advance, but pre-coordinated within existing European and US military structures.

Still, UK officials see this concession as a path to de-escalation.

In recent days, multiple European diplomats have told CNN that they have been surprised by the rapid escalation in tensions across the Atlantic and within the NATO alliance.

Following a Wednesday meeting in Washington between Danish Foreign Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Greenland’s foreign minister Vivian Motzfeldt and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President JD Vance, Rasmussen told reporters that the US and Europe maintain a “fundamental disagreement” over Greenland.

Privately, Danish and Greenland officials present in that meeting told CNN that while Rubio and Vance listened to their positions and “red lines,” the US side did not relent on Trump’s ultimate goal of gaining control over the island. Those diplomats did say, however, that the establishment of a high-level working group on Greenland at least provides an opportunity for the two sides to continue their dialogue.

Trump’s text message to Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre yesterday, stating that he no longer feels bound “to think purely of Peace” because the Norwegian Nobel Committee did not award him the Nobel Peace Prize adds an entirely new flashpoint in the standoff, apparently entirely unconnected to Trump’s previous upset at the deployment of a small number of European forces to Greenland to assess security needs there.

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[Maru]

In the DM:

Greenland is only the beginning: MARK HALPERIN reveals the full scope of Trump's global 'disruption' plan... and its secret architects
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15475115/greenland-trump-global-disruption-plan-mark-halperin.html

President Trump's renewed tariff threat against Europe puts into sharp relief two questions that matter more than any single trade dispute: how the president and his team are doing at remaking America's standing in the world, and whether they are actually succeeding at reinvigorating the US economy.

Those twin missions rest, more than anywhere else, on the shoulders of two men: Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.

By some combination of luck, design and political survival instinct, Rubio and Bessent have emerged as the two most broadly respected senior advisers in the Trump orbit.

They are widely viewed — across Wall Street, foreign capitals, television green rooms, Capitol Hill and elite opinion-shaping circles — as smart, serious, qualified and genuinely accomplished.

That may sound obvious, but it is not trivial. The same adjectives would not be applied, in too many cases, to several other cabinet officials, whose reputations are more ideological, performative or controversial. Vice President JD Vance is a separate and sui generis case, one I'll save for another day.

What is striking about the current backlash to Trump's tariff threat is that almost none of the public anger has landed on Rubio or Bessent. The criticism is aimed squarely — and exclusively — at the man in the Oval Office.

That insulation is not accidental. It reflects the belief, held even by many Trump skeptics, that these two men represent ballast: grown-ups in the room who understand markets, alliances and second-order consequences.

From the perspective of the traditional foreign-policy establishment, this tariff gambit looks like a disaster. It risks antagonizing allies, spooking markets and weakening Western unity at a moment when Russia and China are actively testing it.

By some combination of luck, design and political survival instinct, Rubio (left) and Bessent (right) have emerged as the two most broadly respected senior advisers in the Trump orbit

They are widely viewed — across Wall Street, foreign capitals, television green rooms, Capitol Hill and elite opinion-shaping circles — as smart, serious, qualified and genuinely accomplished

From that vantage point, tariffs are a blunt instrument wielded recklessly. From the perspective of Team Trump, however, this is precisely how leverage is created and objectives are achieved.

In this case, the broader strategic aim — securing long-term American leverage in the Arctic, including Greenland — is seen as worth short-term diplomatic and economic turbulence.

The deeper question is whether Rubio and Bessent are executing a coherent strategy or merely providing intellectual cover for presidential impulse.

What critics often miss about Trump — and by extension about his top advisers — is his belief that a nation seeking radical change cannot move directly from an old equilibrium to a new one.

In Trump's worldview, stability can only be reached by passing through chaos. Disruption is not a regrettable side effect; it is the mechanism.

This tariff threat is chaos in its purest form. But from inside the administration, it is viewed as a calculated risk on a longer road toward strategic and economic reordering.

There are, to be fair, real signs of economic progress. Inflation has stabilized. Gas prices have dropped sharply. The stock market recently hit new highs. Wage growth has accelerated and, unlike during the later Biden years, is outpacing inflation.

Those are not trivial accomplishments in a post-pandemic, high-debt world.

Beyond the short-term indicators, the administration argues that lower taxes, reduced regulation, expanded domestic energy production and accelerated adoption of artificial intelligence will yield long-term gains that do not show up neatly in quarterly reports. Productivity, they say, is the prize.

On the global stage, the picture is more mixed. The war in Ukraine grinds on. Russia remains aggressive. China remains ambitious and patient. Yet Trump is pursuing a slate of high-level engagements — including planned summits with Xi Jinping — that his team believes could produce incremental but meaningful progress.



Mark Halperin is the editor-in-chief and host of the interactive live video platform 2WAY and the host of the video podcast 'Next Up' on the Megyn Kelly network

The skeptics, of course, have plenty of ammunition. The uncertainty surrounding the Federal Reserve has rattled markets and arguably benefited Beijing. European leaders are openly bristling. Protests have erupted in Denmark and Greenland. Electricity costs remain high. Health-care costs remain largely untouched. There has been no serious effort to rein in deficits or debt.

The list of unresolved economic and geopolitical challenges is long — and, in some areas, growing.

Against that backdrop, Trump has chosen to make things worse in the short term in the hope of making them better later. Rubio and Bessent are not passive observers of this strategy. They are its loyal foot soldiers and, in their respective domains, its intellectual architects.

Which raises the final, unavoidable question.

Are Rubio and Bessent master strategists in the tradition of a James Baker or Henry Kissinger — disciplined, historically grounded and ultimately vindicated?

Or are they men of good intentions who have been seduced by MAGA disruption, destined to leave behind a weakened NATO, emboldened autocrats in Moscow and Beijing and an American economy that works mainly for the already wealthy?

Spoiler alert: no one knows.

And anyone who tells you otherwise is selling certainty in an age that has very little of it.

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[Mystic Mock]

…I imagine that FIFA a feeling a bit silly in their choice right now…Man of the World Peace Match/Trump….oh…

Infantino's always been silly unfortunately.

[Ammi]

Trump cites UK’s ‘stupidity’ over Chagos Islands as reason to take over Greenland…


…moving from ‘I want it all’ to ‘I hate you all’…

[Benjamin]

The fact people still trust and encourage this guy is baffling.

[James]

One of the most frustrating things about all this is that the situation / crisis has been completely invented out of the thin air. Russia and China aren't going to take over Greenland. It would mean going to war with NATO, and America already has a military presence on the island.

[bots]

What it shows is that Trump doesnt give a toss about peace. His efforts were all to compete against Obama (who didn't deserve a peace prize either).

All Trump has ever been interested in is himself and when people don't bend to his will he throws his toys out the pram. He has always been like this in everything he has done

Unfortunately, he is now the most powerful man on the planet, but with that comes extreme danger. I would imagine there will be more and more people that will want to try and take him out and it may also end up spreading to his whole family

[Glenn.]

One of the most frustrating things about all this is that the situation / crisis has been completely invented out of the thin air. Russia and China aren't going to take over Greenland. It would mean going to war with NATO, and America already has a military presence on the island.

It’s a distraction because he’s a paedophile. Anything to stop people talking about the Epstein files.

[Ammi]

What it shows is that Trump doesnt give a toss about peace. His efforts were all to compete against Obama (who didn't deserve a peace prize either).

All Trump has ever been interested in is himself and when people don't bend to his will he throws his toys out the pram. He has always been like this in everything he has done

Unfortunately, he is now the most powerful man on the planet, but with that comes extreme danger. I would imagine there will be more and more people that will want to try and take him out and it may also end up spreading to his whole family

…I don’t think that he got over and through his rage and wrath of having to leave the White House after one term on his first ride…he’s like a movie villain on a demented rampage to take over the world…

[arista]

Trump cites UK’s ‘stupidity’ over Chagos Islands as reason to take over Greenland…


…moving from ‘I want it all’ to ‘I hate you all’…


It was Marco who said it was OK to do,
last year.


Now, President Trump has stated
this is why he must take over Greenland

Ref: BBC2 Politics Live

[Maru]

The fact people still trust and encourage this guy is baffling.

Too many are convinced he does everything he does for the good of the country. Except he is escalating with Europe at a time when it risks setting things off domestically and one would think that would signal to people that something isn't quite right with their logic. Republicans (Congress) could wake up at any point and quickly fix it.

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

Too many are convinced he does everything he does for the good of the country. Except he is escalating with Europe at a time when it risks setting things off domestically and one would think that would signal to people that something isn't quite right with their logic. Republicans (Congress) could wake up at any point and quickly fix it.

He comes across as a complete narcissist and only doing whatever he does for the good of himself

[arista]

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[Maru]

…I don’t think that he got over and through his rage and wrath of having to leave the White House after one term on his first ride…he’s like a movie villain on a demented rampage to take over the world…

If you followed him pre-Presidential run on Twitter, those traits were already there back then. He used to pick spats with high profile people and then rage for hours. Social media is very enabling. Narcissism in the pathological form have poor to nonexistent coping mechanisms for rejection (criticism) and need validation externally to stabilize.

Society heralds narcissistic virtues without understanding that underneath these tendencies that person is hiding a lot of volatility and poor mental health.

It seems like a nice superpower to have. A person can appear sharp and yet somehow magically are immune to social norms and doesn't appear to care what others think. They overlook the angry fits and constant need to set a record straight because they are easily reconvinced by the narratives provided. It's fine if that grenade is being lobbed at the enemy but not so fine when it goes off in their own backyard. We have probably had other Presidents like Trump in the past but that it wasn't as apparent due to these traits not being as highly regarded at the time.

[Maru]

"I could've done this so much better! Vote for me!248472"

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Meanwhile he is also insulting them.

[Parmy]

Macron with the shades on.

[Ammi]

If you followed him pre-Presidential run on Twitter, those traits were already there back then. He used to pick spats with high profile people and then rage for hours. Social media is very enabling. Narcissism in the pathological form have poor to nonexistent coping mechanisms for rejection (criticism) and need validation externally to stabilize.

Society heralds narcissistic virtues without understanding that underneath these tendencies that person is hiding a lot of volatility and poor mental health.

It seems like a nice superpower to have. A person can appear sharp and yet somehow magically are immune to social norms and doesn't appear to care what others think. They overlook the angry fits and constant need to set a record straight because they are easily reconvinced by the narratives provided. It's fine if that grenade is being lobbed at the enemy but not so fine when it goes off in their own backyard. We have probably had other Presidents like Trump in the past but that it wasn't as apparent due to these traits not being as highly regarded at the time.

…I’m pretty sure that Trump would shudder at the thought that there may have been other presidents like him…he’s the one, he’s the only…:laugh:..

[arista]

Macron with the shades on.-


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Yes to Protect an Eye

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['We stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark,' says Canadian PM]


Tomorrow, President Trump Arrives at Davos

[Parmy]

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Yes to Protect an Eye



From his wife.

[Maru]

…I’m pretty sure that Trump would shudder at the thought that there may have been other presidents like him…he’s the one, he’s the only…:laugh:..

That's exactly it though. The Gavin Newsoms, the Macrons, the Trudeaus, the unelected elites (Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos)... even though they may outwardly "dislike" Trump, they're all so similar in their ways. Some are clearly envious of what he is able to get away with and some are thoroughly enjoying kicking up their own hornet's nests because at the end of the day, they want the same thing: power.

Newsom's language towards the other world leaders isn't much better than Trump's, if just reading between the lines. It's still the same playbook, ie "I call the shots and I'm here to tell you how it's done". He may have found a different way to insert the knife, but many are hardly above such tactics to get their way.

I am willing to believe this escalation is more Trump's idea than not re:Greenland, but given how QUICKLY so many "diplomat" types (read: DC/Govt contractors) are coming out and pushing this idea very hard, I don't think this push to force our way into Greenland simply comes out of no where. Some running to the media the moment the idea was suggested to make such an argument for it.

Narcissists thrive in a role where they get to play both the hero and the victim. Trump's variant is so dysfunctional that it both works to his advantage and disadvantage. He's not a "polished" politician, but he has all the necessary skills for the craft and this lack of polish gives him leeway to act with impunity. He's also a convenient distraction for both parties while they do the same things, with not nearly enough scrutiny.

Part of the reason the Far Left is so emboldened in this country is because they pick up on these patterns quicker than most, seeing as their tactics are designed on picking up on other people's intentions and using it/projecting it back onto the other person in a malignant form. If the bar for being a politician is so low, then all they have to do is sit to the sidelines and pick away at obvious flaws while slowly introducing their own forms of chaos. It's too easy.

[arista]

President Trump goes Live in around in a few mins
As he joins his Press Secretary


One Year he has been in power

[Cherie]

I laughed when he said just because the Danes rocked up in a boat they had no claim to it.......um you are sitting in America pal where someone rocked up in a boat :laugh:

[Maru]

I laughed when he said just because the Danes rocked up in a boat they had no claim to it.......um you are sitting in America pal where someone rocked up in a boat :laugh:

I like when he starts referring to very basic concepts in the Constitution very excitably and it's clear he's only just heard about it for the first time.

[Maru]

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[arista]

President Trump goes Live in around in a few mins
As he joins his Press Secretary


One Year he has been in power



Trump Live at 6PM now Delayed


They handed a Document to all the Press
about Trump's Success.


Sky News Live

[Maru]

Trump Live at 6PM now Delayed


They handed a Document to all the Press
about Trump's Success.


Sky News Live

It is a White House Briefing, so that's pretty much all they do is emphasize their excessive successing.

[arista]

It is a White House Briefing, so that's pretty much all they do is emphasize their excessive successing.


Yes, and Trump is joining it
which is not normal.

Trump is delaying this.

[Maru]

Yes, and Trump is joining it
which is not normal.

Trump is delaying this.

I remember when Bush 2 used to do these and they always went badly. They made him look so angry.

[bots]

no matter how it goes from here on, the damage is already done. Everyone will move to trading with China. Europe will decouple their security from the USA. The USA cannot be trusted because a significant proportion of the american public agree with Trump's actions. That's who they are

[arista]

no matter how it goes from here on, the damage is already done. Everyone will move to trading with China. Europe will decouple their security from the USA. The USA cannot be trusted because a significant proportion of the american public agree with Trump's actions. That's who they are

Fair points

[arista]

Trump Now Live


Bragging Away..............

Sky News Live.

[arista]

He is Holding up Color A4 Mug Shots
of Criminals removed.

[arista]

Nothing on Greenland, so far

[arista]

Also Live on LBC and Times Radio

They must be hoping for new Greenland info?

[Maru]

Oooof

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[arista]

Trump still bragging away.... Live on Sky News

[Maru]

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[bots]

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the eu will either apply similar tariffs, or not bother. There are 10 days yet before the tariffs come in, and i don't see trump waiting that long, he doesn't do patience, unless its his buddy, putin

[arista]

Now taking Press Questions

[Maru]

Finally getting to questions and they're talking about the UN. Lady he is talking to is from Brazil.

[arista]

Norway Press is there

[arista]

Scottish Lady Asks about Greenland

And what about Nato Break Up


Trump thinks not????

[arista]

USA Press Lady says Greenland
will not allow USA take over


Trump says I will talk to them????

[arista]

Over One Hour and a Half


Trump has concluded


Trumps Press lady
left with him.

[arista]

Finally getting to questions and they're talking about the UN. Lady he is talking to is from Brazil.



Yes lucky her

[Alf]

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[Glenn.]

Anyway

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1760f4e2-4762-4e54-8ca9-bde26f21f11e.png

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_FMVNGXMAEffWU?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Maru]

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I saw that, that was hilarious

[arista]

President Trump
spoke live for a hour or so at Davos.


He wants to purchase Greenland

Not take it by force?

I would sell it for $5000 Trillion

So he couldn't afford it.

[Niamh.]

President Trump
spoke live for a hour or so at Davos.


He wants to purchase Greenland

Not take it by force?

I would sell it for $5000 Trillion

So he couldn't afford it.

And if they don't want to sell it? (which they already said they don't )

[OnTheRight]

And if they don't want to sell it? (which they already said they don't )

Everyone has their price. The Danes have previously sold land to the USA.

[Glenn.]

Yeah Epstein island wasn’t it

[Niamh.]

Yeah Epstein island wasn’t it

:worry:

[OnTheRight]

Yeah Epstein island wasn’t it

Yes, that was one of them.

[Parmy]

Yeah Epstein island wasn’t it

Sold to the democrats in 1917...

[Glenn.]

Sold to the democrats in 1917...


And?

[Parmy]

And?

And......Sold because the Danish settlers left because the British abolished slavery...


So basically they had no need for them once they couldn't use slaves on the plantations..such an honourable lot are our Danish cousins.

[bots]

He doesn't know the difference between Iceland and Greenland

[Glenn.]

And......Sold because the Danish settlers left because the British abolished slavery...


So basically they had no need for them once they couldn't use slaves on the plantations..such an honourable lot are our Danish cousins.

Same story as every other European empire

[Parmy]

Every other apart from GB.

[Glenn.]

Every other apart from GB.


If Britain really was different, there wouldn’t be entire countries still dealing with the economic fallout of being stripped for parts.

[arista]

And if they don't want to sell it? (which they already said they don't )


Yes,
Then he will use 25% Tarriff

[Niamh.]

Yes,
Then he will use 25% Tarriff

So blackmail. Everyone in Europe should stop dealing with America

[Parmy]

If Britain really was different, there wouldn’t be entire countries still dealing with the economic fallout of being stripped for parts.

Sure.

[arista]

He doesn't know the difference between Iceland and Greenland


He does
But he appears to be lacking sleep.

[Glenn.]

Sure.

Glad you agree

[Glenn.]

He does
But he appears to be lacking sleep.

And a brain

[Parmy]

Glad you agree

I don't....


:shrug:


Give me some links to read up on.

[Glenn.]

I don't....


:shrug:


Give me some links to read up on.

Pick up a history book on Britain :shrug:

The British Empire extracted wealth — raw materials, forced labour and monopoly power
Slavery was only one part of how Britain profited from its colonies. Once the slave trade ended, colonial systems continued extracting economic value in other ways:
• Plantation systems in the Caribbean relied on enslaved and coerced labour to produce sugar, tobacco, cotton and more — goods that were hugely valuable in European markets. 
• Colonies like India were systematically integrated into a British economic system designed to benefit British industry: they supplied raw materials (like cotton, opium and foodstuffs) and were forced into trade patterns that favoured British manufacturers. 
• Colonial administrations collected taxes and forcibly coerced labour to serve imperial economic goals, while providing little public infrastructure or benefit to local populations. 

Research estimates that the UK extracted trillions in wealth from India and other colonies over centuries — a massive transfer of resources from colonised people to British elites and institutions. 

⸻

3. This was systemic, not an isolated exception
This pattern wasn’t accidental, and it wasn’t just about slavery in the Atlantic:
• Britain’s economic and financial institutions — including banks and major trading houses — grew in part from profits derived from colonial trade and slavery. 
• Major British cities and buildings (like trading exchanges) were historically linked to profits from slavery and colonial commerce. 
• Colonial systems across Africa, Asia and the Caribbean used forced labour, unfair taxation and market manipulation to extract wealth and channel it back to Britain. 

So the idea that Britain was some exceptional, non-exploitative empire doesn’t hold up to historical evidence. Its economic rise and global influence were deeply tied to systems of human exploitation and resource extraction — just like other European colonial powers

[Cherie]

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:joker:

[arista]

Later Trump Updated
said he is meeting the Ukrainian leader
Tomorrow

[Cherie]

He wants to build a Golden Dome, I am sure the Greenlanders would let him do it at a price?

[arista]

So blackmail. Everyone in Europe should stop dealing with America


Yes The EU is fighting back

They will match that if Trump goes that far



PM Starmer - Not Fighting back

[Maru]

:joker:

Shhhh you're not supposed to laugh

[Parmy]

Pick up a history book on Britain :shrug:

The British Empire extracted wealth — raw materials, forced labour and monopoly power
Slavery was only one part of how Britain profited from its colonies. Once the slave trade ended, colonial systems continued extracting economic value in other ways:
• Plantation systems in the Caribbean relied on enslaved and coerced labour to produce sugar, tobacco, cotton and more — goods that were hugely valuable in European markets. 
• Colonies like India were systematically integrated into a British economic system designed to benefit British industry: they supplied raw materials (like cotton, opium and foodstuffs) and were forced into trade patterns that favoured British manufacturers. 
• Colonial administrations collected taxes and forcibly coerced labour to serve imperial economic goals, while providing little public infrastructure or benefit to local populations. 

Research estimates that the UK extracted trillions in wealth from India and other colonies over centuries — a massive transfer of resources from colonised people to British elites and institutions. 

⸻

3. This was systemic, not an isolated exception
This pattern wasn’t accidental, and it wasn’t just about slavery in the Atlantic:
• Britain’s economic and financial institutions — including banks and major trading houses — grew in part from profits derived from colonial trade and slavery. 
• Major British cities and buildings (like trading exchanges) were historically linked to profits from slavery and colonial commerce. 
• Colonial systems across Africa, Asia and the Caribbean used forced labour, unfair taxation and market manipulation to extract wealth and channel it back to Britain. 

So the idea that Britain was some exceptional, non-exploitative empire doesn’t hold up to historical evidence. Its economic rise and global influence were deeply tied to systems of human exploitation and resource extraction — just like other European colonial powers




What does the OBJ stand for?

[Cherie]

Shhhh you're not supposed to laugh

There are a few Po faces around, Im not one of them :hehe:

[Benjamin]

“Donald Trump generated headlines with his comments about Greenland at Davos - but on several occasions he appeared to confuse the name of the island in question.
Speaking of how perceptions of him had been good in Europe and among Nato allies, Trump said: "Until the last few days, when I told them about Iceland, they loved me."
He then said Nato was not there for the US – "and Iceland, I can tell you".
Later, discussing how the US stock marked had dipped after his recent threats to use military force in Greenland, he said: "The stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland.
"So Iceland's already cost us a lot of money, but that dip is peanuts compared to what it's gone up."

[Glenn.]

What does the OBJ stand for?

Something your device can’t access. Google really is your friend you know. Why? The only explanation is that you’re choosing to ignore the whole post because it contradicts yours and now you’re playing silly games again.

[bots]

So blackmail. Everyone in Europe should stop dealing with America

the eu have frozen the trade deal negotiations, which means on 1st feb, the trade deal no longer applies, so they are whacking the pre-existing tariffs back on

[bots]

“Donald Trump generated headlines with his comments about Greenland at Davos - but on several occasions he appeared to confuse the name of the island in question.
Speaking of how perceptions of him had been good in Europe and among Nato allies, Trump said: "Until the last few days, when I told them about Iceland, they loved me."
He then said Nato was not there for the US – "and Iceland, I can tell you".
Later, discussing how the US stock marked had dipped after his recent threats to use military force in Greenland, he said: "The stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland.
"So Iceland's already cost us a lot of money, but that dip is peanuts compared to what it's gone up."

Article 5 has only been activated once, when the rest of NATO came to the USA's aid after the twin towers and hundreds of allies gave their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq

[Parmy]

Something your device can’t access. Google really is your friend you know. Why? The only explanation is that you’re choosing to ignore the whole post because it contradicts yours and now you’re playing silly games again.

It doesn't contradict mine. Britain still abolished slavery, and the Danes left the island because of that.

[Benjamin]

“Trump drops threat of tariffs over Greenland after Nato talks in Davos”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt

[bots]

“Trump drops threat of tariffs over Greenland after Nato talks in Davos”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjrzjqg8dlwt

it makes no difference, it's too late. The USA have shown they cannot be trusted, so the words mean nothing

[joeysteele]

He actually sounds confused and comes across disorientated.

It's really dangerous having such an unhinged character in power in the USA.

He rambles, repeats himself and frankly seems unfit.

[bots]

someone will speak to him when he gets back to the WH and he will just as easily change his mind again

[Benjamin]

it makes no difference, it's too late. The USA have shown they cannot be trusted, so the words mean nothing

Of course. He’s a loose cannon and finally people have woken up to it.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1e2cac3f-8c93-4de5-bf71-4d51eb8c6e29.png

[Niamh.]

the eu have frozen the trade deal negotiations, which means on 1st feb, the trade deal no longer applies, so they are whacking the pre-existing tariffs back onGood

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-968a5772-c096-4031-84b6-368caeccbcf2.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f0bf1aec-5754-4a81-869b-d12743ed6033.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8fcdff29-63ed-494c-972d-e68afb8a6611.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c8dfe31f-157c-4fc1-9eb7-bae7c654740e.jpeg

[Maru]

it makes no difference, it's too late. The USA have
shown they cannot be trusted, so the words mean nothing

That seems to be benign at this point. They wouldn't (and shouldn't) have full trust for us in the first place for already a good number of reasons. We've exported some of our problems to other nations, some things we're now trying to change and get rid of, so maybe breaking up from that influence does the whole world a great deal of good in the short term. Especially forcing other nations beyond wiggly words themselves to make commitments far beyond the immediate and maybe a reset will be beneficial for everyone... after Trump leaves, the US will probably have its own reset anyway and I would expect other nations would want to work with us rather quickly if that works in their favor. I can't see certain leaders turning down a chance to make that work in their favor...

Words never mean much in the grand scheme, especially in situations like foreign policy where there are so many moving parts. The world could use a whole less words, tbh. One thing I did realize though about words when listening to people speak is that when important leaders get together and sit next to each other, words do become valuable currency when you're in a room full of egos... some of these people very badly want acceptance.


Speaking of new President, Newsom is trying his best WWE CEO impression to try to get noticed. See, the madness is spreading. We have quite a few more than just these two walking around among the living being terrible:

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[Maru]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c8dfe31f-157c-4fc1-9eb7-bae7c654740e.jpeg

Yeah, supposedly we got everything we needed or something.

[bots]

Yeah, supposedly we got everything we needed or something.

it was a concept of a deal ....... will be forgotten about until the next epstein dump is released

[bots]

That seems to be benign at this point. They wouldn't (and shouldn't) have full trust for us in the first place for already a good number of reasons. We've exported some of our problems to other nations, some things we're now trying to change and get rid of, so maybe breaking up from that influence does the whole world a great deal of good in the short term. Especially forcing other nations beyond wiggly words themselves to make commitments far beyond the immediate and maybe a reset will be beneficial for everyone... after Trump leaves, the US will probably have its own reset anyway and I would expect other nations would want to work with us rather quickly if that works in their favor. I can't see certain leaders turning down a chance to make that work in their favor...

Words never mean much in the grand scheme, especially in situations like foreign policy where there are so many moving parts. The world could use a whole less words, tbh. One thing I did realize though about words when listening to people speak is that when important leaders get together and sit next to each other, words do become valuable currency when you're in a room full of egos... some of these people very badly want acceptance.


Speaking of new President, Newsom is trying his best WWE CEO impression to try to get noticed. See, the madness is spreading. We have quite a few more than just these two walking around among the living being terrible:



The dems could have taken this moment (or anyone one from a group of significant moments) to come together and create meaningful opposition .... but they didn't .... they are still squabbling amongst themselves and yet they think they will retake the senate this year? What planet are they on

[Maru]

The dems could have taken this moment (or anyone one from a group of significant moments) to come together and create meaningful opposition .... but they didn't .... they are still squabbling amongst themselves and yet they think they will retake the senate this year? What planet are they on

I actually think they think they're operating at their peak right now.

Chambers have reliably lost support for Presidencies during the midterms so I think Trump is using up all his mana in his 1st and 2nd year seeing as their majority is already slim. He becomes a lameduck in the last half of his final term and by that point, people are already looking forward for the next thing. That gives Democrats 2 years to cobble a message together to sell to the public. One would think Republicans might want to try to reign him in post-midterms, because 1) new candidate and 2) talks of a 3rd term are going to be campaign fodder.... but who actually knows.

For 80 years, the president’s party has almost always lost House seats in midterm elections, a pattern that makes the 2026 congressional outlook clear
https://theconversation.com/for-80-years-the-presidents-party-has-almost-always-lost-house-seats-in-midterm-elections-a-pattern-that-makes-the-2026-congressional-outlook-clear-271605

Visual Guide: The Balance Of Power Between Congress and The Presidency (1901-2025)
https://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/

Americans seem to prefer that the checks-and-balances envisioned by the founders be facilitated by having different parties control Congress and the White House.

— Contrary to popular belief, since post-WWII Congress and the President have been at odds. That is, most of the time the same political party does not control the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives.

Only 17 times (34 years) since 1945 have both branches of Congress and the Presidency been controlled by the same party; Democrats have held this advantage more often than Republicans (12 to 5).

However, it has happened six times (12 years) since 2003, making this seem more common that it has been historically (Republicans, four times; Democrats, twice).

— Congress has usually been controlled by the same party making the “odd man out” (literally) be the President.

Since 1945, the House and Senate have been controlled by different parties only 10 times (20 years).

But since 2001, the House and Senate have been controlled by the same party five times. The first two were early 20th century (1911 and 1917). The next three (in succession) were under Reagan (1981-1986). The others have been since the 2000 elections, which makes this “seem” more normal to us than it is, historically.

There have been only two complete turn-overs of Congress since 1949: in 1953, 1955, 1995 and 2007.

[arista]

Nuuk, Greenland

Jens-Frederik Nielsen Greenland PM
is now Live on Sky News.
And BBC News


He is having good talks with President Trump

But he says they will still own Greenland.

A new mineral deal is going on.

[arista]

Spanish News asks do you believe 100% Trump
will not use force.


Greenland's PM said he must believe Trump.

[Maru]

Greenland PM is now Live on Sky News.


He is having good talks with President Trump

But he says they will still own Greenland.

A new mineral deal is going on.

Is it going to be like one of those deals where you buy a teeny chunk of land abroad and they give you a title of your choosing from somewhere like Scotland? Maybe he is doing one of those, but in Greenland?

[arista]

An American Journalist
asked will be OK for the new Golden Dome

Jens-Frederik Nielsen Greenland PM
Confirmed talks are ongoing.

[arista]

Is it going to be like one of those deals where you buy a teeny chunk of land abroad and they give you a title of your choosing from somewhere like Scotland? Maybe he is doing one of those, but in Greenland?


Tourism is up there
A reporter confirmed



Negotiations are going to take a long time

[arista]

This Greenland PM
aged 34 seemed relaxed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens-Frederik_Nielsen

[Maru]

An American Journalist
asked will be OK for the new Golden Dome

Jens-Frederik Nielsen Greenland PM
Confirmed talks are ongoing.

I really don't like that they are taking to calling it the Golden Dome. Golden showers, unfortunately, come to mind.

[arista]

The Danish PM
is now flying to Greenland
for talks

All media

[Zizu]

The Danish PM
is now flying to Greenland
for talks

All media


Whilst Trump is on his way to Scotland or Legoland or Never Never Land … oh well one if the LANDs

[Benjamin]

Greenland row reopens after US senator calls Danish PM 'little lady'

A senior US senator clashed with Danish and Greenlandic leaders on the margins of the Munich Security Conference last week, refuelling fears that the US appetite for the Arctic island has not faded.

Tensions in US-Danish relations had calmed after Donald Trump walked back threats to deploy military force to acquire Greenland and to impose tariffs on eight European countries that were deploying troops on the island.

But during a meeting with the two European leaders – Denmark’s Mette Frederiksen and Greenland’s Jens-Frederik Nielsen – Republican lawmaker Lindsey Graham warned that if Trump wanted Greenland, Washington could simply take it, US media outlet Puck and Danish media outlet Berlingske reported.

Danish sources present at the meeting said Graham addressed Frederiksen as “little lady”, prompting her to reply: “When you’re done with that, the meeting can continue.”

Participants described Graham’s behaviour as “completely out of line”. One person present cited “lots of F-bombs”, with a third describing the US senator as “combative”.

According to Puck’s reporting, US lawmakers were surprised to learn the extent of Trump’s campaign’s impact on Europeans’ perceptions and trust in US partners.

Graham, a senior figure in the Republican Party and a longstanding foreign policy hawk, had been a vocal critic of Trump after the insurrection attempt on 6 January 2021.

Since Trump’s re-election in 2024, however, he has emerged as one of the president’s staunchest allies.

https://www.euractiv.com/news/greenland-row-reopens-after-us-senator-calls-danish-pm-little-lady/