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Benjamin
11-01-2025, 10:33 AM
Trump wants to take Greenland: Four ways this saga could go

recent weeks, US President-elect Donald Trump has shown renewed interest in taking control of Greenland, a largely autonomous territory of Denmark in the Arctic and the world's largest island.

He first indicated an intention to buy Greenland in 2019, during his first term as president, but this week he went further, refusing to rule out economic or military force to take control of it.

Danish and European officials have responded negatively, saying Greenland is not for sale and its territorial integrity must be preserved.

So how could this unusual situation play out, with two Nato allies at odds over a huge territory which is 80% covered with ice but has considerable untapped mineral wealth?

And how could the aspirations for independence among Greenland's population of 56,000, under Danish control for 300 years, affect the final outcome?
Here we look at four possible scenarios for Greenland's future.

Trump loses interest, nothing happens

There is some speculation that Trump's move is just bluster, a move to get Denmark to boost Greenland's security in the face of the threat of both Russia and China seeking influence in the region.

Last month, Denmark announced a new $1.5bn (£1.2bn) military package for the Arctic. It had been prepared before Trump's remarks but the announcement just hours after them was described by the Danish defence minister as an "irony of fate".

"What was important in what Trump said was that Denmark has to fulfil its obligations in the Arctic or it's got to let the US do it," says Elisabet Svane, chief political correspondent for Politiken newspaper.

Marc Jacobsen, associate professor at the Royal Danish Defence College, believes that this is a case of Trump "positioning himself before entering office" while Greenland is using the occasion to gain more international authority, as an important step towards independence.

So even if Trump were to lose further interest in Greenland now, which Professor Jacobsen thinks is the most likely scenario, he has certainly put the spotlight on the issue.

But independence for Greenland has been on the agenda for many years, and some say the debate could even go in the opposite direction.

"I noticed in the last few days the Greenland PM is calmer in his comments - ie. yes, we want independence but in the long run," says Svane.

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Greenland votes for independence, seeks closer ties with US

There is a general consensus in Greenland that independence will happen eventually, and also that if Greenland votes for it, Denmark will accept and ratify it.

However, it is also unlikely that Greenland would vote for independence unless its people are given guarantees that they can keep the subsidies they currently get from Denmark to pay for things like healthcare and the welfare system.

"The Greenland PM may be up in arms now, but in the event that he actually calls a referendum, he will need some kind of convincing narrative about how to save the Greenland economy and welfare system," Ulrik Gad, a senior researcher at the Danish Institute for International Studies, told the BBC.

One possible next step is a free association - something like the US currently has with Pacific states the Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

Denmark has previously opposed this status both for Greenland and for the Faroe Islands, but according to Dr Gad, current Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen is not categorically against it.

"Danish understanding of the Greenland historical experience is way better than it was 20 years ago," he says, with Denmark accepting colonial responsibility.

The recent discussions "might persuade [Frederiksen] to say - better to keep Denmark in the Arctic, keep some kind of connection to Greenland, even if it's a looser one", he adds.

But even if Greenland is able to get rid of Denmark, it has become clear in recent years that it can't get rid of the US. The Americans never really left after taking control of the island in World War Two, and see it as vital for their security.

An agreement in 1951 affirmed Denmark's basic sovereignty of the island but, in effect, gave the US whatever it wanted.

Dr Gad said that Greenland officials had been in contact with the last two US administrations about Washington's role.

"They now know the US will never leave," he said.


Trump steps up economic pressure

There has been speculation that Trump's economic rhetoric is potentially the biggest threat to Denmark - with the US drastically increasing tariffs on Danish, or even EU, goods, forcing Denmark into concessions of some kind over Greenland.

Professor Jacobsen says Danish governments have been preparing for that, and not just because of the Arctic territory.

Trump has been threatening universal 10% tariffs on all US imports which could, among other things, significantly disrupt European growth, and some Danish and other European companies are now considering setting up manufacturing bases in the US.

Possible options for raising tariffs include by invoking the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), Benjamin Cote of international law firm Pillsbury told the website MarketWatch.

One of the main Danish industries potentially affected by this is pharmaceuticals. The US receives products such as hearing aids and most of its insulin from Denmark, as well as the diabetes drug Ozempic, made by the Danish company Novo Nordisk.

Analysts say the hike in prices that would result from these measures would not find favour with the US public.

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Trump invades Greenland

The "nuclear option" seems far-fetched, but with Trump failing to rule out military action it has to be considered.

Essentially, it wouldn't be hard for the US to take control, given that they already have bases and plenty of troops in Greenland.

"The US has de facto control already," says Professor Jacobsen, adding that Trump's remarks seemed ill-informed and he didn't understand the point of them.

That said, any use of military force by Washington would create an international incident.

"If they invade Greenland, they invade Nato," says Svane. "So that's where it stops. Article 5 would have to be triggered. And if a Nato country invades Nato then there's no Nato."

Dr Gad says Trump sounds like Chinese President Xi Jinping talking about Taiwan or Russia's Vladimir Putin talking about Ukraine.

"He's saying it's legitimate for us to take this piece of land," he says. "If we take him really seriously this is a bad omen for the whole of the Western alliance."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy3y8l8nwlo

arista
11-01-2025, 10:37 AM
Many are saying No Change.


Trump using the Army
would not happen - I assume
It would be too deadly

Beso
11-01-2025, 10:40 AM
You can see his point, If EU wants protected by America, and America having Greenland would bolster the defence of the EU by America, then to me it's a no brainer really.

Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2025, 10:44 AM
Greenland is more Northerly, more Southerly, more Easterly and more Westerly than Iceland

MTVN
11-01-2025, 11:27 AM
Seems there's a few things at play here

- Greenland would like to be independent ideally but can't survive without some outside funding
- There's no real great love between Danes and Greenlanders even though it's a Danish territory
- America is worried about increased Chinese influence in the region
- There is increasing access to Greenland's natural resources because of the ice caps melting
- America already has quite a significant presence there

All does seem pretty ripe for increased American control in the country and will Denmark really be bothered enough to resist it? It might just be something that happens very gradually

bots
11-01-2025, 11:41 AM
Things are so unsettled at the moment that it's anyones guess how this will go. If Trump tries to take it by force, it will be a new chapter in world history

arista
13-01-2025, 02:42 AM
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Mystic Mock
13-01-2025, 02:53 AM
Greenland (and the rest of Europe) need to avoid being too embroiled into American culture.

They're a messed up nation at the moment.

user104658
13-01-2025, 01:22 PM
Several moons ago, Elon Musk's grandfather outlined a hefty right-wing plan that mentioned the US taking control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, and annexing Canada.

Make of that what you will :hee:

Beso
13-01-2025, 04:38 PM
Several moons ago, Elon Musk's grandfather outlined a hefty right-wing plan that mentioned the US taking control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, and annexing Canada.

Make of that what you will :hee:

Link please, one that isnt a randomer on facebook.

arista
13-01-2025, 06:52 PM
Greenland (and the rest of Europe) need to avoid being too embroiled into American culture.

They're a messed up nation at the moment.


Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

bots
13-01-2025, 07:34 PM
If the people of greenland want to be part of the usa, then good luck to them. It's not really an issue unless it's taken by force

Benjamin
13-01-2025, 08:11 PM
Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

Most locals don’t want to be part of the USA. Plus a Danish passport is much better than a US one. :laugh:

Glenn.
13-01-2025, 11:58 PM
If the people of greenland want to be part of the usa, then good luck to them. It's not really an issue unless it's taken by force

I can’t see that when pretty much the whole world is laughing at America right now.

The sexual predator needs to do what it said before it starts trying to play monopoly.
Let it **** things up and see if they want to part of America when it’s hauled out on its arse in four years.

Mystic Mock
14-01-2025, 01:15 AM
Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

As long as it isn't the UK I guess.

Nicky91
15-01-2025, 09:09 AM
Trumpy is showing same traits as Evil Dictator Putin


similar power hungry, same ambition to invade other countries :idc:




he wants Canada, Panama, Greenland



and the MAGA movement only diss Puerto Rico calling it an ''garbage island'' which is extremely xenophobic racist






if i were those countries my answer would be **** YOU



Canada better step up improving militaries quickly, and strengthen their defences, if Trump wants to be like Putin, he can also expect a war of similar levels as in Ukraine in return #DefendYourCountries

Nicky91
15-01-2025, 09:13 AM
Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, Putin, Trump, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-Un all have this in common


Deluded Power Hungry, Xenophobic, Immature Dictators





but my nation Netherlands also has known its dark times, the blue helmets in Bosnia Herzegovina for example, with their contribution to the genocide over there in Srebrenica (something our government still hasn't apologized for)

UserSince2005
15-01-2025, 09:21 AM
Maybe trump can have Greenland and we can have the fareo islands?

Beso
15-01-2025, 09:24 AM
I can’t see that when pretty much the whole world is laughing at America right now.

The sexual predator needs to do what it said before it starts trying to play monopoly.
Let it **** things up and see if they want to part of America when it’s hauled out on its arse in four years.

Why are you talking like you're buffallo bill talking to his starving victims:shrug:

Nicky91
15-01-2025, 01:42 PM
Maybe trump can have Greenland and we can have the fareo islands?

greenland and faroe islands belong to the kingdom of Denmark


the orange baby needs to keep his greasy big fat hands off from those countries

Benjamin
22-01-2025, 04:39 PM
Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/

arista
22-01-2025, 04:55 PM
Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/


Yes
that would help

Ammi
22-01-2025, 04:55 PM
Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/

…I can’t imagine how the Greenlanders must be feeling right now/how uncertain about the future of their country and reading it all on the internet…definitely a meeting should have been the first thing to happen…

Glenn.
22-01-2025, 04:58 PM
They told him to **** off yesterday or day before :joker:

arista
25-01-2025, 02:46 PM
Yes
Today on all the News the Danish Minister
was played with a bleep

F. Off to President Trump


As it's been 800 years,
under Danish Executive



President Trump had a 45mins Phone Call with the Danish PM.

That's too long.


Great Debate: Times Radio

arista
28-01-2025, 02:29 AM
Some in the Media
are now asking if President Trump
will put High Taxes (Tariffs) on Denmark?


Like what he did with Colombia
who then excepted
and then a new way of avoiding the High Tariff.
The military planes landed with
their Illegal Migrants

arista
07-03-2025, 03:31 AM
Once again
President Trump stated at Congress
One way or another, he will take Greenland?

There are USA Basses on Greenland
right now.

Denmark is not selling Greenland

A few on Greenland want Trump to take over.
but the bulk of folks say No Way.


So it is an Empty Threat
From President Trump

He would have to shoot dead
all the folks on Greenland

So Ben it can not happen.

Livia
07-03-2025, 05:57 PM
Who does Trump think he is? Putin?

bots
07-03-2025, 06:49 PM
Who does Trump think he is? Putin?

6 weeks in and he is already going after gaza, panama, greenland, canada and mars

Beso
07-03-2025, 10:19 PM
6 weeks in and he is already going after gaza, panama, greenland, canada and mars

All those places would be asking america for help if anything came to them. For america to properly help them they need to bolster defences in these areas.

joeysteele
07-03-2025, 11:26 PM
Trump is power mad.
Stark raving bonkers but seemingly dangerously so.

Glenn.
07-03-2025, 11:48 PM
All those places would be asking america for help if anything came to them. For america to properly help them they need to bolster defences in these areas.

It’s become a bit of a pattern with your views on these things. Just roll over and let them take what they want.

Beso
08-03-2025, 12:59 AM
It’s become a bit of a pattern with your views on these things. Just roll over and let them take what they want.

If you know what's good for you.

arista
13-03-2025, 06:05 PM
Trump Live (SkyNewsHD)
being asked about having a Referendum
in Greenland?


Nato Boss Mark Rutte
with him - saying nothing

arista
13-03-2025, 06:06 PM
Trump is power mad.
Stark raving bonkers but seemingly dangerously so.

But he will not send his Army in

arista
13-03-2025, 06:21 PM
Trump has Concluded.

SkyNews Reporter there
just said nothing to do with NATO.

arista
27-03-2025, 11:56 PM
New Reports
China is now in Greenland.


They are paying them so they can dig
for Rare Metals and Oil.

arista
28-03-2025, 10:00 AM
Vice President JD Vance and his wife,
arrive in Greenland today.

BBC has a reporter there.
(Of course burn taxpayers cash on that)

arista
28-03-2025, 06:21 PM
JD Vance Now Live

SkyNewsHD


He is at the US Army Base in Greenland

arista
28-03-2025, 06:24 PM
He just stated China
has put Greenland into a Debt traps
and they are on the island.


He is taking questions.

arista
28-03-2025, 06:28 PM
He also just stated that Russia
is interested in Greenland.

Cherie
28-03-2025, 11:57 PM
so Mrs Vance was supposed to go it alone, they knocked on doors but no one would engage so JD was rolled in....when are they going to get the message?

Ithinkiloveyoutoo
29-03-2025, 12:32 AM
How does the world get to this point? How does it get to a point where the talking points are always ownership of other territories, wars. Why can't the people in power just work together? Sigh I know I sound extremely naive in saying this but sigh it really could be that simple as governments are owned by people!!

It is true that money is the root of all evil. Everything stems from that.

arista
29-03-2025, 01:16 AM
They had their dinner
with the USA troops in the base.


The New Government
of a New Coalition
wants to get rid of Denmark Control


Some fear America.



Ch4HDnews
also met some young folks
who would not mind the
USA taking over.

arista
29-03-2025, 01:18 AM
How does the world get to this point? How does it get to a point where the talking points are always ownership of other territories, wars. Why can't the people in power just work together? Sigh I know I sound extremely naive in saying this but sigh it really could be that simple as governments are owned by people!!

It is true that money is the root of all evil. Everything stems from that.


Yes, but many there
hate Denmark's control.

President Trump
would like to buy Greenland

Ammi
29-03-2025, 06:45 AM
Yes, but many there
hate Denmark's control.

President Trump
would like to buy Greenland

…some do, some don’t I would say, like any such situation …but I read that a poll of the Greenland people had showed 85% opposed Greenland being a part of the US so if it’s being considered of ‘pleasing all of the people all of the time…’…then a US ownership would move it even further away from that…

arista
29-03-2025, 06:54 AM
Yes leaving America
to only take over by force?

Which I doubt
would happen.

Ammi
29-03-2025, 07:03 AM
…I wouldn’t doubt anything/any possibility atm tbh with some of the personal egos we’re seeing play out…

bots
29-03-2025, 07:10 AM
What Trump does from one day to the next is impossible to predict. The visit yesterday may have been the initiation of a hostile attempt to take the territory

Ammi
29-03-2025, 04:48 PM
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arista
29-03-2025, 06:05 PM
Sure
Lars Løkke Rasmussen

But Trump wants Greenland
He will help your nation
being better protected

Cherie
29-03-2025, 06:09 PM
1905764027210547565

and that is how you address another nation

arista
30-03-2025, 03:59 AM
Now the Danish PM is rushing to
Greenland on Wednesday.


As they now want to get rid of Danish control.

Ref: CH4HDnews

Mystic Mock
30-03-2025, 08:53 AM
Sure
Lars Løkke Rasmussen

But Trump wants Greenland
He will help your nation
being better protected

That's what he claims anyway.

Personally I don't hate the American people (even if some of them can sometimes say some stupid things,) but Greenland will be possibly taking some unflattering elements of American culture.

I personally don't like some of the stuff that American culture has done to the UK so for Greenland's sake, I do hope that they don't end up with Americans taking them over.

It's one thing to embrace their entertainment industries and eating establishments etc, to then having Donald Trump becoming your leader.

bots
30-03-2025, 09:55 AM
Greenland basically contains indigenous people that have survived the harsh conditions for generations. It would never be another US state because they just do their own thing anyway.

America may want to increase it's military presence there, but it will never be a US state unless the people want it to be, and they really have nothing to gain from it

arista
28-08-2025, 04:18 AM
BBC News Text:
[The "Greenland rift" growing between
the US and Denmark
leads the Financial Times.
The paper says Denmark has denounced
reports of covert "foreign actors" with
alleged ties to Donald Trump,
trying to influence the future of Greenland.

A top US diplomat in Copenhagen was
summoned by Denmark's foreign ministry
over the reports.]

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