Greenland debate - Trump adamant it will be his

[Benjamin]

Trump wants to take Greenland: Four ways this saga could go

recent weeks, US President-elect Donald Trump has shown renewed interest in taking control of Greenland, a largely autonomous territory of Denmark in the Arctic and the world's largest island.

He first indicated an intention to buy Greenland in 2019, during his first term as president, but this week he went further, refusing to rule out economic or military force to take control of it.

Danish and European officials have responded negatively, saying Greenland is not for sale and its territorial integrity must be preserved.

So how could this unusual situation play out, with two Nato allies at odds over a huge territory which is 80% covered with ice but has considerable untapped mineral wealth?

And how could the aspirations for independence among Greenland's population of 56,000, under Danish control for 300 years, affect the final outcome?
Here we look at four possible scenarios for Greenland's future.

Trump loses interest, nothing happens

There is some speculation that Trump's move is just bluster, a move to get Denmark to boost Greenland's security in the face of the threat of both Russia and China seeking influence in the region.

Last month, Denmark announced a new $1.5bn (£1.2bn) military package for the Arctic. It had been prepared before Trump's remarks but the announcement just hours after them was described by the Danish defence minister as an "irony of fate".

"What was important in what Trump said was that Denmark has to fulfil its obligations in the Arctic or it's got to let the US do it," says Elisabet Svane, chief political correspondent for Politiken newspaper.

Marc Jacobsen, associate professor at the Royal Danish Defence College, believes that this is a case of Trump "positioning himself before entering office" while Greenland is using the occasion to gain more international authority, as an important step towards independence.

So even if Trump were to lose further interest in Greenland now, which Professor Jacobsen thinks is the most likely scenario, he has certainly put the spotlight on the issue.

But independence for Greenland has been on the agenda for many years, and some say the debate could even go in the opposite direction.

"I noticed in the last few days the Greenland PM is calmer in his comments - ie. yes, we want independence but in the long run," says Svane.

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Greenland votes for independence, seeks closer ties with US

There is a general consensus in Greenland that independence will happen eventually, and also that if Greenland votes for it, Denmark will accept and ratify it.

However, it is also unlikely that Greenland would vote for independence unless its people are given guarantees that they can keep the subsidies they currently get from Denmark to pay for things like healthcare and the welfare system.

"The Greenland PM may be up in arms now, but in the event that he actually calls a referendum, he will need some kind of convincing narrative about how to save the Greenland economy and welfare system," Ulrik Gad, a senior researcher at the Danish Institute for International Studies, told the BBC.

One possible next step is a free association - something like the US currently has with Pacific states the Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

Denmark has previously opposed this status both for Greenland and for the Faroe Islands, but according to Dr Gad, current Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen is not categorically against it.

"Danish understanding of the Greenland historical experience is way better than it was 20 years ago," he says, with Denmark accepting colonial responsibility.

The recent discussions "might persuade [Frederiksen] to say - better to keep Denmark in the Arctic, keep some kind of connection to Greenland, even if it's a looser one", he adds.

But even if Greenland is able to get rid of Denmark, it has become clear in recent years that it can't get rid of the US. The Americans never really left after taking control of the island in World War Two, and see it as vital for their security.

An agreement in 1951 affirmed Denmark's basic sovereignty of the island but, in effect, gave the US whatever it wanted.

Dr Gad said that Greenland officials had been in contact with the last two US administrations about Washington's role.

"They now know the US will never leave," he said.


Trump steps up economic pressure

There has been speculation that Trump's economic rhetoric is potentially the biggest threat to Denmark - with the US drastically increasing tariffs on Danish, or even EU, goods, forcing Denmark into concessions of some kind over Greenland.

Professor Jacobsen says Danish governments have been preparing for that, and not just because of the Arctic territory.

Trump has been threatening universal 10% tariffs on all US imports which could, among other things, significantly disrupt European growth, and some Danish and other European companies are now considering setting up manufacturing bases in the US.

Possible options for raising tariffs include by invoking the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), Benjamin Cote of international law firm Pillsbury told the website MarketWatch.

One of the main Danish industries potentially affected by this is pharmaceuticals. The US receives products such as hearing aids and most of its insulin from Denmark, as well as the diabetes drug Ozempic, made by the Danish company Novo Nordisk.

Analysts say the hike in prices that would result from these measures would not find favour with the US public.

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Trump invades Greenland

The "nuclear option" seems far-fetched, but with Trump failing to rule out military action it has to be considered.

Essentially, it wouldn't be hard for the US to take control, given that they already have bases and plenty of troops in Greenland.

"The US has de facto control already," says Professor Jacobsen, adding that Trump's remarks seemed ill-informed and he didn't understand the point of them.

That said, any use of military force by Washington would create an international incident.

"If they invade Greenland, they invade Nato," says Svane. "So that's where it stops. Article 5 would have to be triggered. And if a Nato country invades Nato then there's no Nato."

Dr Gad says Trump sounds like Chinese President Xi Jinping talking about Taiwan or Russia's Vladimir Putin talking about Ukraine.

"He's saying it's legitimate for us to take this piece of land," he says. "If we take him really seriously this is a bad omen for the whole of the Western alliance."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy3y8l8nwlo

[arista]

Many are saying No Change.


Trump using the Army
would not happen - I assume
It would be too deadly

[Parmy]

You can see his point, If EU wants protected by America, and America having Greenland would bolster the defence of the EU by America, then to me it's a no brainer really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Greenland is more Northerly, more Southerly, more Easterly and more Westerly than Iceland

[MTVN]

Seems there's a few things at play here

- Greenland would like to be independent ideally but can't survive without some outside funding
- There's no real great love between Danes and Greenlanders even though it's a Danish territory
- America is worried about increased Chinese influence in the region
- There is increasing access to Greenland's natural resources because of the ice caps melting
- America already has quite a significant presence there

All does seem pretty ripe for increased American control in the country and will Denmark really be bothered enough to resist it? It might just be something that happens very gradually

[bots]

Things are so unsettled at the moment that it's anyones guess how this will go. If Trump tries to take it by force, it will be a new chapter in world history

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Greenland (and the rest of Europe) need to avoid being too embroiled into American culture.

They're a messed up nation at the moment.

[user104658]

Several moons ago, Elon Musk's grandfather outlined a hefty right-wing plan that mentioned the US taking control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, and annexing Canada.

Make of that what you will :hee:

[Parmy]

Several moons ago, Elon Musk's grandfather outlined a hefty right-wing plan that mentioned the US taking control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, and annexing Canada.

Make of that what you will :hee:

Link please, one that isnt a randomer on facebook.

[arista]

Greenland (and the rest of Europe) need to avoid being too embroiled into American culture.

They're a messed up nation at the moment.


Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

[bots]

If the people of greenland want to be part of the usa, then good luck to them. It's not really an issue unless it's taken by force

[Benjamin]

Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

Most locals don’t want to be part of the USA. Plus a Danish passport is much better than a US one. :laugh:

[Glenn.]

If the people of greenland want to be part of the usa, then good luck to them. It's not really an issue unless it's taken by force

I can’t see that when pretty much the whole world is laughing at America right now.

The sexual predator needs to do what it said before it starts trying to play monopoly.
Let it **** things up and see if they want to part of America when it’s hauled out on its arse in four years.

[Mystic Mock]

Some Locals in Greenland
spoke to the BBC
they said they would like to Join America


Of course a USA Passport
is Far better than there passports.

As long as it isn't the UK I guess.

[Nicky91]

Trumpy is showing same traits as Evil Dictator Putin


similar power hungry, same ambition to invade other countries :idc:




he wants Canada, Panama, Greenland



and the MAGA movement only diss Puerto Rico calling it an ''garbage island'' which is extremely xenophobic racist






if i were those countries my answer would be **** YOU



Canada better step up improving militaries quickly, and strengthen their defences, if Trump wants to be like Putin, he can also expect a war of similar levels as in Ukraine in return #DefendYourCountries

[Nicky91]

Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, Putin, Trump, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-Un all have this in common


Deluded Power Hungry, Xenophobic, Immature Dictators





but my nation Netherlands also has known its dark times, the blue helmets in Bosnia Herzegovina for example, with their contribution to the genocide over there in Srebrenica (something our government still hasn't apologized for)

[UserSince2005]

Maybe trump can have Greenland and we can have the fareo islands?

[Parmy]

I can’t see that when pretty much the whole world is laughing at America right now.

The sexual predator needs to do what it said before it starts trying to play monopoly.
Let it **** things up and see if they want to part of America when it’s hauled out on its arse in four years.

Why are you talking like you're buffallo bill talking to his starving victims:shrug:

[Nicky91]

Maybe trump can have Greenland and we can have the fareo islands?

greenland and faroe islands belong to the kingdom of Denmark


the orange baby needs to keep his greasy big fat hands off from those countries

[Benjamin]

Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/

[arista]

Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/


Yes
that would help

[Ammi]

Greenland are trying to arrange a meeting with Trump.

https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-government-us-president-danish-pm-mette-frederikson/

…I can’t imagine how the Greenlanders must be feeling right now/how uncertain about the future of their country and reading it all on the internet…definitely a meeting should have been the first thing to happen…

[Glenn.]

They told him to **** off yesterday or day before :joker:

[arista]

Yes
Today on all the News the Danish Minister
was played with a bleep

F. Off to President Trump


As it's been 800 years,
under Danish Executive



President Trump had a 45mins Phone Call with the Danish PM.

That's too long.


Great Debate: Times Radio

[arista]

Some in the Media
are now asking if President Trump
will put High Taxes (Tariffs) on Denmark?


Like what he did with Colombia
who then excepted
and then a new way of avoiding the High Tariff.
The military planes landed with
their Illegal Migrants

[arista]

Once again
President Trump stated at Congress
One way or another, he will take Greenland?

There are USA Basses on Greenland
right now.

Denmark is not selling Greenland

A few on Greenland want Trump to take over.
but the bulk of folks say No Way.


So it is an Empty Threat
From President Trump

He would have to shoot dead
all the folks on Greenland

So Ben it can not happen.

[Livia]

Who does Trump think he is? Putin?

[bots]

Who does Trump think he is? Putin?

6 weeks in and he is already going after gaza, panama, greenland, canada and mars

[Parmy]

6 weeks in and he is already going after gaza, panama, greenland, canada and mars

All those places would be asking america for help if anything came to them. For america to properly help them they need to bolster defences in these areas.

[joeysteele]

Trump is power mad.
Stark raving bonkers but seemingly dangerously so.

[Glenn.]

All those places would be asking america for help if anything came to them. For america to properly help them they need to bolster defences in these areas.

It’s become a bit of a pattern with your views on these things. Just roll over and let them take what they want.

[Parmy]

It’s become a bit of a pattern with your views on these things. Just roll over and let them take what they want.

If you know what's good for you.

[arista]

Trump Live (SkyNewsHD)
being asked about having a Referendum
in Greenland?


Nato Boss Mark Rutte
with him - saying nothing

[arista]

Trump is power mad.
Stark raving bonkers but seemingly dangerously so.

But he will not send his Army in

[arista]

Trump has Concluded.

SkyNews Reporter there
just said nothing to do with NATO.

[arista]

New Reports
China is now in Greenland.


They are paying them so they can dig
for Rare Metals and Oil.

[arista]

Vice President JD Vance and his wife,
arrive in Greenland today.

BBC has a reporter there.
(Of course burn taxpayers cash on that)

[arista]

JD Vance Now Live

SkyNewsHD


He is at the US Army Base in Greenland

[arista]

He just stated China
has put Greenland into a Debt traps
and they are on the island.


He is taking questions.

[arista]

He also just stated that Russia
is interested in Greenland.

[Cherie]

so Mrs Vance was supposed to go it alone, they knocked on doors but no one would engage so JD was rolled in....when are they going to get the message?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

How does the world get to this point? How does it get to a point where the talking points are always ownership of other territories, wars. Why can't the people in power just work together? Sigh I know I sound extremely naive in saying this but sigh it really could be that simple as governments are owned by people!!

It is true that money is the root of all evil. Everything stems from that.

[arista]

They had their dinner
with the USA troops in the base.


The New Government
of a New Coalition
wants to get rid of Denmark Control


Some fear America.



Ch4HDnews
also met some young folks
who would not mind the
USA taking over.

[arista]

How does the world get to this point? How does it get to a point where the talking points are always ownership of other territories, wars. Why can't the people in power just work together? Sigh I know I sound extremely naive in saying this but sigh it really could be that simple as governments are owned by people!!

It is true that money is the root of all evil. Everything stems from that.


Yes, but many there
hate Denmark's control.

President Trump
would like to buy Greenland

[Ammi]

Yes, but many there
hate Denmark's control.

President Trump
would like to buy Greenland

…some do, some don’t I would say, like any such situation …but I read that a poll of the Greenland people had showed 85% opposed Greenland being a part of the US so if it’s being considered of ‘pleasing all of the people all of the time…’…then a US ownership would move it even further away from that…

[arista]

Yes leaving America
to only take over by force?

Which I doubt
would happen.

[Ammi]

…I wouldn’t doubt anything/any possibility atm tbh with some of the personal egos we’re seeing play out…

[bots]

What Trump does from one day to the next is impossible to predict. The visit yesterday may have been the initiation of a hostile attempt to take the territory

[Ammi]

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[arista]

Sure
Lars Løkke Rasmussen

But Trump wants Greenland
He will help your nation
being better protected

[Cherie]

1905764027210547565

and that is how you address another nation

[arista]

Now the Danish PM is rushing to
Greenland on Wednesday.


As they now want to get rid of Danish control.

Ref: CH4HDnews

[Mystic Mock]

Sure
Lars Løkke Rasmussen

But Trump wants Greenland
He will help your nation
being better protected

That's what he claims anyway.

Personally I don't hate the American people (even if some of them can sometimes say some stupid things,) but Greenland will be possibly taking some unflattering elements of American culture.

I personally don't like some of the stuff that American culture has done to the UK so for Greenland's sake, I do hope that they don't end up with Americans taking them over.

It's one thing to embrace their entertainment industries and eating establishments etc, to then having Donald Trump becoming your leader.

[bots]

Greenland basically contains indigenous people that have survived the harsh conditions for generations. It would never be another US state because they just do their own thing anyway.

America may want to increase it's military presence there, but it will never be a US state unless the people want it to be, and they really have nothing to gain from it

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The "Greenland rift" growing between
the US and Denmark
leads the Financial Times.
The paper says Denmark has denounced
reports of covert "foreign actors" with
alleged ties to Donald Trump,
trying to influence the future of Greenland.

A top US diplomat in Copenhagen was
summoned by Denmark's foreign ministry
over the reports.]

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[Benjamin]

New Trump envoy says he will serve to make Greenland part of US

Donald Trump has sparked a fresh row with Denmark after appointing a special envoy to Greenland, the vast Arctic island he has said he would like to annex.

Trump announced on Sunday that Jeff Landry, the Republican governor of Louisiana, would become the US's special envoy to Greenland, a semi-autonomous part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

Gov Landry said in a post on X it was an honour to serve in a "volunteer position to make Greenland a part of the US".

The move has angered Copenhagen, which said it would will call the US ambassador for "an explanation".

Greenland's prime minister said the island must "decide our own future" and its "territorial integrity must be respected".

Since returning to the White House in January, Trump has revived his long-standing interest in Greenland, citing its strategic location and mineral wealth.

He has refused to rule out using force to secure control of the island, a stance that has shocked Denmark, a Nato ally that has traditionally enjoyed close relations with Washington.

Greenland, home to about 57,000 people, has had extensive self-government since 1979, though defence and foreign policy remain in Danish hands. While most Greenlanders favour eventual independence from Denmark, opinion polls show overwhelming opposition to becoming part of the US.

Denmark's Foreign Minister, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, described the appointment of Landry as "deeply upsetting" and warned Washington to respect Danish sovereignty.

He told Danish broadcaster TV2: "As long as we have a kingdom consisting of Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland, we cannot accept actions that undermine our territorial integrity."

Greenland's Prime Minister, Jens-Frederik Nielsen, said the territory was willing to cooperate with the US and other countries, but only on the basis of mutual respect.

He said: "The appointment of a special envoy does not change anything for us. We decide our own future. Greenland belongs to Greenlanders, and territorial integrity must be respected."

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in a post on X that the EU stands in "full solidarity with Denmark and the people of Greenland".

Writing on social media, the US president said Landry understood how "essential Greenland is to our national security" and would advance US interests.

The significance of this appointment is both the US presumption that Greenland is separate to Denmark and the new appointee's assertion that he will help the island become part of the US.

Envoys are informal appointments and unlike official diplomats, do not have to be approved by the host country.

What this appointment shows is that Trump's ambition to control Greenland remains undimmed.

As with his military and rhetorical aggression towards Venezuela, it indicates Trump is determined to gain greater control over what his recent National Security Strategy called "the Western hemisphere", a sphere of influence that he hopes will cover the whole of the Americas.

Trump tried to buy Greenland during his first presidential term. Both Denmark and the Greenlandic government rejected the 2019 proposal, saying: "Greenland is not for sale."

Landry has previously voiced his opinion on Greenland, writing on his personal X account in January: "President Donald J. Trump is absolutely right! We need to ensure that Greenland joins the United States.
GREAT for them, GREAT for us! Let's get it done!"

Landry is a military veteran and former police officer who was a US Congressman and Louisiana's attorney general before being elected governor in 2023. He said his new role would not affect his duties as governor.

The dispute over his appointment comes as strategic competition in the Arctic grows, with melting ice opening new shipping routes and increasing access to valuable mineral resources.

Greenland is located in the Arctic between North America and Europe, which also makes it central to US and Nato security planning.

The US has maintained a base in Greenland since World War Two, after invading to establish military and radio stations across the territory after the Nazis occupied Denmark during the conflict.

Vice-President JD Vance visited the base in March as he asked Greenland's people to "cut a deal with the US".

The US reopened a consulate in Nuuk, the capital of Greenland, in 2020 - during Trump's first term - after closing it in 1953. A number of European countries, as well as Canada, have honorary general consulates in Greenland.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgmd132ge4o

[Glenn.]

Distractions distractions distractions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know why the Norse called it Greenland when it clearly isnt?

And why Iceland was called Iceland when it isnt either?

[arista]

[He has refused to rule out using force to secure control
of the island, a stance that has shocked Denmark,
a Nato ally that has traditionally enjoyed close
relations with Washington.]

But Ben
until Fat Trump
takes over Greenland it means bugger all.

[Glenn.]

Do you know why the Norse called it Greenland when it clearly isnt?

And why Iceland was called Iceland when it isnt either?

Greenland was called Greenland because it sounded like a nice place for settlers to come and Iceland got named for a bad winter and ice that the first settlers experienced.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[He has refused to rule out using force to secure control
of the island, a stance that has shocked Denmark,
a Nato ally that has traditionally enjoyed close
relations with Washington.]

But Ben
until Fat Trump
takes over Greenland it means bugger all.

He needs to take over far left Australia

That failed country has gone to the dogs as we have all now seen

:skull:

They need Trump more than ever

[arista]

Denmark has asked for the US Ambassador
to visit them.


I assume that will not happen

[Glenn.]

He needs to just **** off and sort his shithole country out. Stop trying to distract people from talking about him being a disgusting peadophile.

Distractions, distractions, distractions!

[emseateng2014]

i wonder if donnie j trump know that green land is a land that has snow on it

[arista]

i wonder if donnie j trump know that green land is a land that has snow on it


He likes its location

[Glenn.]

It’s not his to commandeer though. And that’s what the amazing thing about it is. He can’t get to it.

[arista]

It’s not his to commandeer though. And that’s what the amazing thing about it is. He can’t get to it.

Yes he would need to buy it from Denmark,
but of course he can not as it is not for sale.

[Benjamin]

He needs to take over far left Australia

That failed country has gone to the dogs as we have all now seen

:skull:

They need Trump more than ever

Australia is still far better than USA, but you keep trying to convince yourself otherwise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Australia is still far better than USA, but you keep trying to convince yourself otherwise.

Its not its a far left hell hole and it's getting like the UK

Look around you ffs

[Glenn.]

He’s trying bless him :joker:

From his computer

[Benjamin]

Its not its a far left hell hole and it's getting like the UK

Look around you ffs

Like I said, carry on trying to convince yourself.

[emseateng2014]

He likes its location

:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

He needs to take over far left Australia

That failed country has gone to the dogs as we have all now seen

:skull:

They need Trump more than ever

Australia certainly need a lot of help, I'll give you that.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Australia is still far better than USA, but you keep trying to convince yourself otherwise.

I don't know about that tbh.

Australia are very controlling and censorship heavy towards their own citizens.

[Benjamin]

I don't know about that tbh.

Australia are very controlling and censorship heavy towards their own citizens.

That’s nothing compared to the many issues USA has.

[bots]

Trump is a specialist in diversion tactics. You always need to remember it's always about him and never about anyone else (unless he has a grudge against them) I don't think he has a grudge against Denmark, so i think this is diversion

[Mystic Mock]

That’s nothing compared to the many issues USA has.

In my eyes it's very hard to get worse than censorship.

[Benjamin]

In my eyes it's very hard to get worse than censorship.

I disagree, but that’s your opinion and I respect that.

[bots]

it's like everything, we all want freedom, but some censorship is necessary to protect children. The question really is where is the line drawn

[Benjamin]

it's like everything, we all want freedom, but some censorship is necessary to protect children. The question really is where is the line drawn

Do you recall in the mid 00’s - we had sites like rotten.com and LiveLeak? They got taken down in a censorship move, which wasn’t a bad thing.

[Mystic Mock]

it's like everything, we all want freedom, but some censorship is necessary to protect children. The question really is where is the line drawn

That's one of the reasons why I personally dislike censorship, because sinister Politicians will try to bring terrible laws forward because "think of the children" knowing that obviously most people don't want to see children being harmed by whatever the topic is about at that given time.

Obviously we can't have children accessing everything that an adult can access, but I see that as more common sense thinking rather than putting laws forward to try and find information out about your own citizens under the guise of "protect the kids."

[Mystic Mock]

I disagree, but that’s your opinion and I respect that.

Same here Benjamin.

After all I strongly agree with you that Trump is a very big problem for the world.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you recall in the mid 00’s - we had sites like rotten.com and LiveLeak? They got taken down in a censorship move, which wasn’t a bad thing.

What was rotten.com?

[bots]

Trump and Putin will both be gone soon so they really arent the biggest threat. It's what comes after them that is the biggest threat

[Benjamin]

What was rotten.com?

The predecessor to LiveLeak but just focused on graphic gore rather than any actual news as well. It surprises me how long both sites lasted (both roughly 15 years each), today they wouldn’t survive a week.

I’ve spoilered the below in case anyone doesn’t want to know as grim descriptions.

Things like stories of a man who jumped out of a helicopter while blades still moving and photos of his head all smashed up, a kid trapping his hand in a meat grinder and the photos of his hand in it with the other part ground up like meat. Beaheadings were often on there too (like LiveLeak).

[arista]

Trump and Putin will both be gone soon so they really arent the biggest threat. It's what comes after them that is the biggest threat



Not sure Putin will be gone

[bots]

Not sure Putin will be gone

they are both old, the one thing they can't beat is time and every day they become weaker

[Mystic Mock]

The predecessor to LiveLeak but just focused on graphic gore rather than any actual news as well. It surprises me how long both sites lasted (both roughly 15 years each), today they wouldn’t survive a week.

I’ve spoilered the below in case anyone doesn’t want to know as grim descriptions.

Things like stories of a man who jumped out of a helicopter while blades still moving and photos of his head all smashed up, a kid trapping his hand in a meat grinder and the photos of his hand in it with the other part ground up like meat. Beaheadings were often on there too (like LiveLeak).

Whoa!:shocked:

The Internet was really crazy a few years back.

[Ammi]

Do you recall in the mid 00’s - we had sites like rotten.com and LiveLeak? They got taken down in a censorship move, which wasn’t a bad thing.

…I don’t recall rotten.com but LiveLeak links were something that were regularly posted on this site as I recall…very macabre…

[arista]

Sky News text:
[The newspaper quotes Mr Trump's interview
with The Atlantic magazine,
in which he states: "We do need Greenland...
we need it for defence".]

New reports
Trump will pay each islander


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[arista]

PM Starmer
has stated that Greenland belongs to Denmark
and is not part of the USA.

Clip was on Politics Live

[bots]

Ultimately, Trump will take it if he wants it, but if its not done with agreement, it will be the official end of america in nato

[arista]

At least for once,
Our PM Starmer is against this.

[arista]

…I can’t imagine how the Greenlanders must be feeling right now/how uncertain about the future of their country and reading it all on the internet…definitely a meeting should have been the first thing to happen…


Some could get Guns ready

[arista]

The United Nations is now Live all TV


ON CNN

[arista]

[Greenland remains a part of the Council of Europe
and NATO as part of Denmark.]

[arista]

I hope that if President Trump
takes Greenland,
it does not start WW3

[Benjamin]

'We need Greenland': Trump repeats threat to annex Danish territory’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0zg974v1o

[arista]

'We need Greenland': Trump repeats threat to annex Danish territory’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0zg974v1o


Yes Ben
it looks like he may take over that nation


Ignoring Denmark.

All we need now is the Date

[arista]

Denmark will soon speak in the UN.

UK News Ch. Will show that

[arista]

Home Secretary
Stated Greenland belongs to Denmark.


In the Houses of Parliament

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a5c7facb-1461-49fc-b1c4-35420f2c18f8.png

[Cherie]

Trump needs to **** off who does he think he is...

[arista]

Trump needs to **** off who does he think he is...


One of his plans


He will give each Greenlander $57,000

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-43fcddb2-b699-4c77-a501-cca83f82babf.jpeg

[arista]

Stephen Miller has spoken,
saying no one will attack America
as they take over Greenland.

In Paris,
All the EU leaders are meeting for a Ukraine Update
have put out a United Statement
backing Greenland.

Of course, just strong words
will not stop President Trump

[Cherie]

One of his plans


He will give each Greenlander $57,000

If he wants the UK I will accept it

[Livia]

If Trump wants US military bases on Greenland he should be paying Greenland, not threatening a takeover.

[Benjamin]

If he wants the UK I will accept it

I’d need a LOT more than $57k.

[bots]

If Trump wants US military bases on Greenland he should be paying Greenland, not threatening a takeover.

they can have all the bases they want on greenland, it's not suffering from over population. 2026 is looking like it will be worse than 2020

[arista]

If he wants the UK I will accept it


So would I accept that



But their population is around 50,000


But UK is on the way to 70Million

[arista]

I’d need a LOT more than $57k.



Would a $100K
be better

[arista]

Trump now Live
on SkyNews

Bragging Away.



A Republic Event.

[Ninastar]

If Trump wants US military bases on Greenland he should be paying Greenland, not threatening a takeover.

100%

Especially with what just happened in Venezuela

[Livia]

100%

Especially with what just happened in Venezuela

The USA already has a military base in Greenland. They have around 40 in Germany, a dozen in the UK... It's hard to understand why they've chosen to antagonise the Danes when I'm pretty sure building more bases on Greenland with Danish approval is surely the way to go.

[Cherie]

I’d need a LOT more than $57k.

for the UK :worry: he can have it :laugh:

[bots]

for the UK :worry: he can have it :laugh:

remember that you would lose your NHS, you would have to pay for all your medical requirements. He would rob pensions. There would be no benefits system, no help with fuel costs.

People would need a lot more than 100k

[arista]

Trump now Live
on SkyNews

Bragging Away.



A Republic Event.



After One Hour,
The President has concluded.

[joeysteele]

He's getting worse.
The sooner he's off the political World stage the better

He really should be more confined to home, not permitted out without supervision.

He's getting more irrationally dangerous.

[Ninastar]

The USA already has a military base in Greenland. They have around 40 in Germany, a dozen in the UK... It's hard to understand why they've chosen to antagonise the Danes when I'm pretty sure building more bases on Greenland with Danish approval is surely the way to go.

I feel like if they are gonna have bases anywhere, it should be in the countries that actually need the support.

I’ve always preached that military power should be used to rebuild and help more than to destroy/reclaim. But that will never happen unfortunately

[arista]

Denmark MP Live
said in 1954 USA signed it.

He hopes they study the facts
but he doubts it.


Was on Sky News

[arista]

2008221563888292207

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G96mNRRXwAAyijc?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Niamh.]

If he wants the UK I will accept it

:joker:

[emseateng2014]

donnie j trump is like the mad king from game of thrones and the emperor from star wars

[Parmy]

At least it will stop the Russian subs circling the top of Scotland.

[Maru]

The USA already has a military base in Greenland. They have around 40 in Germany, a dozen in the UK... It's hard to understand why they've chosen to antagonise the Danes when I'm pretty sure building more bases on Greenland with Danish approval is surely the way to go.

The Danish may be nice enough to us, but that doesn't go very far in the environment we are in now where hostile powers are growing and not much had been done about it. They're not going to be on the hook for defense if Russia crosses a line.

We are where we are partially because we've had all these smaller countries with no real military power politically veto many of the solutions to problems because they prefer to live in an ideal world and now have an ideology tethered to it. Our enemies have taken advantage of this. Ex: It's reasonable and normal to place checks & balances on the transfer of people and property across the border because it is a national security threat.

There's a psychological side effect also, is that it's putting our enemies firmly on notice and putting a pin in the map. It's also telling allies to stop interfering with whatever idealistic neurosis they come up with next and start actually treating our enemies like a real threat. Tackling Venezuela puts countries like Cuba and Mexico on notice, which is sensible as they're both narco-states and any sense of diplomacy will simply be ignored by them. Just mentioning possibly acquiring Greenland is a simple enough signal to Russia that we do take the threat seriously, so that may be enough to deescalate, at least somewhat.

Whatever I think of more American interference (much bigger topic), there's at least a reasoning behind it. The alternative is we close up our borders entirely and then leave the world to rest of it. That's a possibility that is always being weighed, I think.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2026/01/06/21/105285911-0-image-m-2_1767734442462.jpg

[arista]

[The Trump administration has threatened
to use the US military to seize Greenland
in an extraordinary new statement
escalating tensions with NATO ally Denmark.

Donald Trump and his top advisers are exploring
plans including purchasing the Danish territory
or taking charge of its defense,
a senior administration official said.
The White House added menacingly that
'utilizing the US military is always an option'
and warned that the issue is 'not going away'
despite the protests of NATO leaders.]


[White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said:
'President Trump has made it well known that
acquiring Greenland is a national security priority
*of the United States, and it's vital ​to deter
our adversaries in the Arctic region.

'The president and his team are discussing a range
of options to pursue this important
foreign policy goal, ⁠and of course,
Utilising the US military is always an option
at the commander-in-chief's disposal.'

Trump hinted on Sunday that a decision
on Greenland may come 'in about two months,
' once the situation in Venezuela has stabilized.]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2026/01/06/21/105285375-15440055-image-a-10_1767733541854.jpg

[Snow-covered buildings in Nuuk, Greenland,
on March 7, 2025]

[Benjamin]

And FIFA awarded this man a peace award…

[arista]

[Earlier, Britain's Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer
and French President Emmanuel Macron earlier
issued a joint statement along with the leaders
of Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain vowing to
defend Greenland's territorial integrity.

Danish PM Mette Frederiksen has warned that efforts
to take over the territory by force would mean
the end of the NATO military alliance.

The British PM and other leaders called
America an 'essential partner' and added
that the US and Denmark had signed
a defense agreement in 1951.

'Greenland belongs to its people. It is for
Denmark and Greenland, and them only,
to decide on matters concerning Denmark
and Greenland,' they said.
Europe's backing came after White House
deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller
cast doubt on the legitimacy of Denmark's territorial claim
over Greenland in an interview with CNN on Monday night.

He also said there was 'no need' to consider
whether the US might carry out a military operation
to take it over because 'nobody is going to fight the
US militarily over the future of Greenland'. ]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15440055/Trump-threatens-use-US-military-seize-Greenland-White-House-issues-extraordinary-statement-revealing-plans-Danish-territory.html

[arista]

And FIFA awarded this man a peace award…


Of Course
a Football Award

[Benjamin]

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.

[arista]

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.


Yes, looks that way Ben.

[Benjamin]

The poor people of Greenland though. They had little to worry about until Trump, and now they’re living in constant fear of what’s to come.

[arista]

But Trump may pay them all.

[Glenn.]

But Trump may pay them all.

Hasn’t he got cheques to write for his own people?

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-bb693146-e1f2-4924-819b-32310dd53893.png


President Trump
Now considering going into Greenland by force.

[Maru]

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.

Minerals will be strategically vital because without that, the US can't expand the tech sector, ie good bye AI arms race. We are already at risk because the nations that control supply already aren't keen on us.

Saw a clip where Trump was talking about all the wars he might possibly start and Lindsey Graham was utterly ecstatic next to him. Disconcerting.

[Glenn.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-bb693146-e1f2-4924-819b-32310dd53893.png


President Trump
Now considering going into Greenland by force.

That is the president of the United States. The actual state of it :skull:

[bots]

If he sends in troops and there are casualties on either side, the world is going to self-destruct

[Ammi]

If he sends in troops and there are casualties on either side, the world is going to self-destruct

…in some ways Greenland feels a bit like a look over there diversion, not that he wouldn’t love to send in the troops as you say, I’m sure he would but he also knows that his ‘Greenland focus’ will absorb the world attention so that he can then do something ‘less expected’ and it’s done before the world can blink…

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYW9jNDZ3aHcxcjR2MDN5a2FpZ2llc2l 5OTQycjJqM3M4ZXQ4dXkzbSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/lrE7YHleIbm2PtY1RL/giphy.gif

[Benjamin]

But Trump may pay them all.

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

[Maru]

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

No. They don't need to live under this kind of fear and money won't bring back security. Can you imagine.

[bots]

It's the end of the world order that we have been used to since WW2. Whether Trump invades Greenland or not, trust has gone. Countries like Germany will put all their efforts into building nukes because that becomes the only deterrent. Every country will focus on getting nukes and we know where that will end

[Parmy]

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

The Danes would still be in charge of the population and running of Greenland. America would be in charge of defence, which the EU and the UK, if they didn't have their fingers in their ears would understand is a very very important thing for our protection surrounding the unpredictability of Putin.


It basically must happen to ensure that safety, Russia has it to easy around the UK shores as it stands.

[Livia]

The Danish may be nice enough to us, but that doesn't go very far in the environment we are in now where hostile powers are growing and not much had been done about it. They're not going to be on the hook for defense if Russia crosses a line.

We are where we are partially because we've had all these smaller countries with no real military power politically veto many of the solutions to problems because they prefer to live in an ideal world and now have an ideology tethered to it. Our enemies have taken advantage of this. Ex: It's reasonable and normal to place checks & balances on the transfer of people and property across the border because it is a national security threat.

There's a psychological side effect also, is that it's putting our enemies firmly on notice and putting a pin in the map. It's also telling allies to stop interfering with whatever idealistic neurosis they come up with next and start actually treating our enemies like a real threat. Tackling Venezuela puts countries like Cuba and Mexico on notice, which is sensible as they're both narco-states and any sense of diplomacy will simply be ignored by them. Just mentioning possibly acquiring Greenland is a simple enough signal to Russia that we do take the threat seriously, so that may be enough to deescalate, at least somewhat.

Whatever I think of more American interference (much bigger topic), there's at least a reasoning behind it. The alternative is we close up our borders entirely and then leave the world to rest of it. That's a possibility that is always being weighed, I think.

Trump's actions and his threats are alienating allies and putting the future of NATO at risk. The US clearly thinks that's acceptable collateral damage, which is worrying. If the US really is worried enough about Russia to enter the sovereign territory of another allied country and take it by force, you'd think Trump would have been stronger against Putin in Ukraine. But his interaction with Putin bordered on appeasement. Now he's threatening to do exactly what Putin did when he crossed the border of another country. That's what it looks like to me.

[bots]

The Danes would still be in charge of the population and running of Greenland. America would be in charge of defence, which the EU and the UK, if they didn't have their fingers in their ears would understand is a very very important thing for our protection surrounding the unpredictability of Putin.


It basically must happen to ensure that safety, Russia has it to easy around the UK shores as it stands.

the usa already have troops in greenland. They have no need to invade, and yet here we are

[Parmy]

the usa already have troops in greenland. They have no need to invade, and yet here we are

Where are we:shrug:, there is no plan to invade :shrug:

Yes they say they may have to, but that would only happen if Russia made the first step towards major escalation. It would only happen if Russia did that, america are very truthfull about the need to bolster western defences in Greenland. So isn't it better to do that now considering the actions of Putin, rather than letting Putin think he can please himself in that area.


It's not a threat to invade Greenland, it's a heads up to the fact that that will happen if russia eacalates. It will hqooen becauae it will have to happen to ensure the areas safety from the Russian aggression.

[Livia]

Where are we:shrug:, there is no plan to invade :shrug:

Yes they say they may have to, but that would only happen if Russia made the first step towards major escalation. It would only happen if Russia did that, america are very truthfull about the need to bolster western defences in Greenland. So isn't it better to do that now considering the actions of Putin, rather than letting Putin think he can please himself in that area.


It's not a threat to invade Greenland, it's a heads up to the fact that that will happen if russia eacalates. It will hqooen becauae it will have to happen to ensure the areas safety from the Russian aggression.

If this is true, why wasn't Trump stronger in his reaction to Russia's continuing occupation and bombardment of Ukraine? He did the old pals act with Putin. He's still doing it.

[Parmy]

If this is true, why wasn't Trump stronger in his reaction to Russia's continuing occupation and bombardment of Ukraine? He did the old pals act with Putin. He's still doing it.

You don't want to be poking the beast.

[Benjamin]

The Danes would still be in charge of the population and running of Greenland. America would be in charge of defence, which the EU and the UK, if they didn't have their fingers in their ears would understand is a very very important thing for our protection surrounding the unpredictability of Putin.


It basically must happen to ensure that safety, Russia has it to easy around the UK shores as it stands.

Trump is doing it for the minerals and shipping lanes, not for security. As I said, if it were for security Trump would be working with Denmark not against them.

[Parmy]

Trump is doing it for the minerals and shipping lanes, not for security. As I said, if it were for security Trump would be working with Denmark not against them.

That's only being said because it's trump. Why is it not being said about the Danes?

[Benjamin]

That's only being said because it's trump. Why is it not being said about the Danes?

It’s been part of Danish territory for over 300 years. Not really sure what your point is.

People aren’t saying it just because it’s Trump, grow up. We’d be saying it if any country suddenly started saying they would take it from Denmark.

[Liam-]

All of this nonsense just to distract from the Epstein files and Trumps involvement in an international child sex trafficking ring

[Parmy]

It’s been part of Danish territory for over 300 years. Not really sure what your point is.

People aren’t saying it just because it’s Trump, grow up. We’d be saying it if any country suddenly started saying they would take it from Denmark.

You mean it was colonized by Denmark 300 years ago after being habituated by North Americans for centuries. Only becoming Danish after world war 2.

[Parmy]

1721: Danish missionary Hans Egede arrives, marking the start of formal Danish colonization and the spread of Christianity.
1940-1945 (WWII): Denmark is occupied by Germany; the U.S. occupies Greenland to defend it, establishing military bases.
1953: Greenland becomes an integral part of Denmark, not a colony, under the Danish Constitution.


1979: Denmark grants Greenland Home Rule, establishing self-governance.
2009: Self-rule is expanded, giving Greenland control over most internal affairs, including natural resources, solidifying its status as a self-governed nation within the Kingdom of Denmark.
Today: Greenland manages its own affairs but relies on Danish financial support and maintains close ties within the Kingdom, while facing challenges like climate change.

[Benjamin]

You mean it was colonized by Denmark 300 years ago after being habituated by North Americans for centuries. Only becoming Danish after world war 2.

Again, not sure what your point is. Are you trying to justify Trump’s comments and potential actions? If so you’ve failed.

[bots]

International law and the united nations along with every country in the world has recognised Denmark's territorial sovereignty. If Trump takes it to satisfy his own ego then he joins the list of crazy dictators and will end up being remembered as such

[Livia]

International law and the united nations along with every country in the world has recognised Denmark's territorial sovereignty. If Trump takes it to satisfy his own ego then he joins the list of crazy dictators and will end up being remembered as such

100%.

[Maru]

Trump's actions and his threats are alienating allies and putting the future of NATO at risk. The US clearly thinks that's acceptable collateral damage, which is worrying. If the US really is worried enough about Russia to enter the sovereign territory of another allied country and take it by force, you'd think Trump would have been stronger against Putin in Ukraine. But his interaction with Putin bordered on appeasement. Now he's threatening to do exactly what Putin did when he crossed the border of another country. That's what it looks like to me.

Possibly, but I don't think Trump is very good at keeping friends like this longterm. He likes appearing strong and having empathy isn't the way to achieve that in his opinion. He could give two ***** about Ukraine. It could very well be he is afraid of Russia or have links there. All could be true.

As for the US, I think we are falling back to older policies of world building and this is the ideal time, imo, to try. It is his second Presidency so when he is gone, he is gone, and so less investment there without a looming election. Wouldn't be surprised if some people are just burnt out from years of hysterics and are eagerly tuning out. We finally have a period where politics is not the first and last thing discussed so of all the times this could be happening, I think this is where we are most disengaged.

I'd like to know he is advising him but I don't think all this just comes out of thin air and he suddenly decides to start treating sovereign countries as his lego set. A lot of it sounds like it could be part of some defense dept wishlist, ie warhawks.

[Parmy]

Again, not sure what your point is. Are you trying to justify Trump’s comments and potential actions? If so you’ve failed.


Well I'm not here to have my comments passed by your yard stick..So that's not a problem.

Goodbye please try and refrain from commenting in anything I post.

[arista]

It will be great if President Trump pays all of the 50,000 residents
$57,000

That would be good

[Maru]

It will be great if President Trump pays all of the 50,000 residents
$57,000

That would be good

He ain't paying ****. That's out of our pockets. And no, no one will get "reimbursed", the military spending alone will make quick work of that.

[bots]

Possibly, but I don't think Trump is very good at keeping friends like this longterm. He likes appearing strong and having empathy isn't the way to achieve that in his opinion. He could give two ***** about Ukraine. It could very well be he is afraid of Russia or have links there. All could be true.

As for the US, I think we are falling back to older policies of world building and this is the ideal time, imo, to try. It is his second Presidency so when he is gone, he is gone, and so less investment there without a looming election. Wouldn't be surprised if some people are just burnt out from years of hysterics and are eagerly tuning out. We finally have a period where politics is not the first and last thing discussed so of all the times this could be happening, I think this is where we are most disengaged.

I'd like to know he is advising him but I don't think all this just comes out of thin air and he suddenly decides to start treating sovereign countries as his lego set. A lot of it sounds like it could be part of some defense dept wishlist, ie warhawks.

Sometimes the simple answers are the correct ones. Iceland is a big island. He can look at it on a map and say i added the big block to the USA. It may actually be that simple. Trump isn't blessed intellectually and is easily led by the person who spoke to him last

[arista]

Ex MI6 Chief
backs Trump on Greenland

Sir Richard Dearlove dismissed
The idea of Trump buying Greenland
as crazy

He is saying in the papers today
It will be good if Trump takes over Greenland
to Strengthen Europe's security.


Ref: Sky News Newspaper review

[arista]

PM Starmer
working with France/Germany

Wants to put a Force in Greenland


In Sunday Papers

[Parmy]

Ex MI6 Chief
backs Trump on Greenland

Sir Richard Dearlove dismissed
The idea of Trump buying Greenland
as crazy

He is saying in the papers today
It will be good if Trump takes over Greenland
to Strengthen Europe's security.


Ref: Sky News Newspaper review



A wise man.



Sorry bambi.

[arista]

Trump now says
$100,000 for all Greenlanders

[Glenn.]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260111/ec89f0b87eb40b6e7d79df85fa0a6352.jpg

[Benjamin]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20260111/ec89f0b87eb40b6e7d79df85fa0a6352.jpg

The fact USA wasn’t even established as a country then. Silly people will believe him though. :hehe:

[arista]

President Trump now has no choice
but to take over Greenland,
the Hard Way.


The Danish MP who spoke on Trevor Phillips
said it is not for sale

[Glenn.]

He does have a choice.

[joeysteele]

President Trump now has no choice
but to take over Greenland,
the Hard Way.


The Danish MP who spoke on Trevor Phillips
said it is not for sale

He could choose to keep his greed ridden, plundering and expansionist nose out of Greenland.

[arista]

He could choose to keep his greed ridden, plundering and expansionist nose out of Greenland.


No,
He is soon 100% taking over Greenland
no one can stop him.

[joeysteele]

No,
He is soon 100% taking over Greenland
no one can stop him.

Despicable, only word for the odious creep.

[Benjamin]

No,
He is soon 100% taking over Greenland
no one can stop him.

Only if he wants to create a bigger divide between USA and Europe, but I can’t see it being made easy for him.

[arista]

Only if he wants to create a bigger divide between USA and Europe, but I can’t see it being made easy for him.


Yes, he knows that.

[arista]

Danish Military
now on Greenland
with other nations showing they are ready to Fight.


Sky News Live

[arista]

Good on BBC News
have a Reporter there

Some British and German Troops
are Flying there in the next few days.

[arista]

Meanwhile President Trump
confirmed he will take over Greenland.

[arista]

Also Stated if the USA
take over Greenland.

That mean's Ukraine will be left alone?

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9f1ec5d9-72a9-44f0-a25c-c1e14497a482.png

[arista]

Now Macron has sent French Troops to Greenland.


More the fight.........................



Ref: BBC News

[Maru]

lol

Most Americans say 'no' to Greenland takeover, with even Republicans split: poll
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/most-americans-say-no-greenland-takeover-even-republicans-split-poll

Eighty-six percent of voters nationwide questioned in a Quinnipiac University poll said they would oppose military action to take over Greenland.

[Livia]

There are now European troops on Greenland. What happens if US troops land? Will NATO troops be willing to fire on each other? Not sure the 'special relationship' would ever recover from that. I never thought Europe would have to defend itself from the US. Heartening to hear from Maru that most Americans are against this.

[bots]

i can't honestly believe we are at this point now. Is Trump going to declare war on europe and team up with Russia? A year ago it would have been unthinkable, now, i'm really not sure any more

[Maru]

There are now European troops on Greenland. What happens if US troops land? Will NATO troops be willing to fire on each other? Not sure the 'special relationship' would ever recover from that. I never thought Europe would have to defend itself from the US. Heartening to hear from Maru that most Americans are against this.

Beginning to wonder if we have missiles somewhere expiring

[bots]

The other thing of note is that there are US bases all over europe, but troop deployments have been cut to the bone. If the USA attacked europe, those bases would become very vulnerable

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/34e3/live/eb7e11a0-f326-11f0-b5f7-49f0357294ff.jpg.webp

[Maru]

Uhh

Greenlanders speak out against Danish rule after decades of forced sterilization, poor living conditions: ‘They stole our future’
https://nypost.com/2026/01/16/world-news/greenlanders-speak-out-against-danish-rule-they-stole-our-future/

NUUK, Greenland — Native Greenlander Amarok Petersen was 27 years old when she learned the gut-wrenching truth about why she couldn’t have children — and that Denmark was to blame.

Suffering from severe uterine problems, a medical doctor discovered an IUD birth control device in her body that she didn’t know she had.

Danish doctors had implanted it when she was just 13 as part of a population control program for thousands of native Greenlandic girls and women.

“I will never have children,” Petersen told The Post, with tears of anger and sorrow welling in her eyes. “That choice was taken from me.”

While the government of Denmark officially apologized last year for decades of forced sterilization of Indigenous women and girls, the horrific mistreatment has cast a long shadow on the island that has become the center of an international ownership fight.

This week, the Danes hosted European troops for military exercises on Greenland, asserting they are protecting the island from outside powers — particularly the United States. But for many Inuit, Denmark itself has long been the real threat.

What govt doesn't do super evil things to its citizens? (Geez.) Coming under US control doesn't guarantee miracles, either. Puerto Rico still doesn't have a fixed powergrid, last I checked. We can barely keep up with the messes we have made on the mainland.

[BBXX]

While Denmark’s actions from decades past is obviously horrific, this article is pure propaganda that doesn’t deserve to be shared.

[bots]

if we want to go into detail, look at the way ethnic groups were treated in the USA in the past and indeed, the way they are being currently treated. Lets not mention the men in white hooded cloaks

[BBXX]

if we want to go into detail, look at the way ethnic groups were treated in the USA in the past and indeed, the way they are being currently treated. Lets not mention the men in white hooded cloaks

Absolutely, but also maybe a better touch point for relevance is how they are currently treating their own citizens.

[arista]

Democrats Team on a 2 Day mission in Denmark


I assume saying if they get in power
Greenland will go back to
as it was.


Ref: CNN USA Feed

[Livia]

Tony Blair is now on Trump's Board of Peace. He said he is honoured... This is the beast that opened our gates to the world and his Human Rights lawyer wife wrote the script.

I imagine our Lefties are happy with this? Happy with him?

[Maru]

https://i.postimg.cc/25kqFQhM/Screenshot-2026-01-17-115024.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15472915/Trump-NATO-threat-Danish-fighter-jets-Greenland.html

[Maru]

Related:

Supreme Court plans rulings for January 20 with Trump's tariffs still undecided
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-plans-rulings-for-january-20-with-trumps-tariffs-still-undecided/ar-AA1UmNlC

[Benjamin]

It’s very clear now Trump doesn’t want it for security. But he’s now causing a bigger rift between USA and Europe, along with many other countries. Sadly, the world has to deal with him for another 3 years.

[MTVN]

So Trump is now slapping tariffs on his closest allies because they disagree with him on this. I've always liked Trump but I don't like him thinking he can bully European and NATO countries into doing what he wants. Show some respect for your allies - we have been significant powers in global affairs a lot longer than the US has. And we've experienced much worse than a few extra percentage points on US tariffs

[Maru]

It’s very clear now Trump doesn’t want it for security. But he’s now causing a bigger rift between USA and Europe, along with many other countries. Sadly, the world has to deal with him for another 3 years.

So Trump is now slapping tariffs on his closest allies because they disagree with him on this. I've always liked Trump but I don't like him thinking he can bully European and NATO countries into doing what he wants. Show some respect for your allies - we have been significant powers in global affairs a lot longer than the US has. And we've experienced much worse than a few extra percentage points on US tariffs

I've given up trying to figure out the true motive at every step when it comes to these things, but I think that we've been increasingly decoupling our international policy from other ally/neighbors for some time now. That could mean there are other things in the works behind the scenes that we're looking at doing in the future (maybe within this decade).

Trump is maybe expressing loudly the rhetoric of intelligence agencies and military experts based on whatever they are advertising to him, since he's so skilled at keeping things under the wraps and not telecasting his plans everywhere. So what they are probably whispering to him behind the scenes might be useful in that he's saying it pretty much as things might occur and doing it this way can assist a larger motive. It's also giving him credit which is what every politician is most concerned with when the moves are "good". It's always been America first from everything I've personally seen from how behind the scenes folk are and so I'm not so easily convinced our "allies" will simply be so surprised by our stance. They can pretend to keep the peace, but a change could've been obvious for some time and now that it's happened, they'll be forced to respond to it. For example, many of the motions we make between intelligence and military tend to have begun well before it's come to fruition. So what we do can't just be seen as "what each administration wants to have done". POTUS may want to approach plans differently and his job is to orchestrate our "goals" as the face of the nation. He may not be willing to go along with some things, but that's not to say that politicians aren't intentionally shown things that won't force their hand. After all, politicians fickle at heart, easily spooked and generally prefer quick results that ease their concerns.

I did have a nice giggle at this, whether it's a true context or not:

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[Cherie]

Bet Keir wishes he had torn up the Kings invitation now

[MTVN]

I've given up trying to figure out the true motive at every step when it comes to these things, but I think that we've been increasingly decoupling our international policy from other ally/neighbors for some time now. That could mean there are other things in the works behind the scenes that we're looking at doing in the future (maybe within this decade).

Trump is maybe expressing loudly the rhetoric of intelligence agencies and military experts based on whatever they are advertising to him, since he's so skilled at keeping things under the wraps and not telecasting his plans everywhere. So what they are probably whispering to him behind the scenes might be useful in that he's saying it pretty much as things might occur and doing it this way can assist a larger motive. It's also giving him credit which is what every politician is most concerned with when the moves are "good". It's always been America first from everything I've personally seen from how behind the scenes folk are and so I'm not so easily convinced our "allies" will simply be so surprised by our stance. They can pretend to keep the peace, but a change could've been obvious for some time and now that it's happened, they'll be forced to respond to it. For example, many of the motions we make between intelligence and military tend to have begun well before it's come to fruition. So what we do can't just be seen as "what each administration wants to have done". POTUS may want to approach plans differently and his job is to orchestrate our "goals" as the face of the nation. He may not be willing to go along with some things, but that's not to say that politicians aren't intentionally shown things that won't force their hand. After all, politicians fickle at heart, easily spooked and generally prefer quick results that ease their concerns.

I did have a nice giggle at this, whether it's a true context or not:

2011887724131987477

Your analysis is probably largely correct but on the BIB I definitely think this will have surprised our government. Starmer has been at pains to be on good terms with Trump and thinks their relationship, and the fact he has secured a more positive trading relationship than the EU, is one of the biggest wins of his government. This destroys most of that

[Maru]

Your analysis is probably largely correct but on the BIB I definitely think this will have surprised our government. Starmer has been at pains to be on good terms with Trump and thinks their relationship, and the fact he has secured a more positive trading relationship than the EU, is one of the biggest wins of his government. This destroys most of that

I wouldn't say it's an analysis, more that I do know a little bit about operationally how our government "thinks" based on things I've heard and seen (and well, there's also our history...) and so can see other possibilities.

Trump has been a very hostile ally to the UK, imo, but he's been a hostile ally to virtually all his "friends". Remember, intelligence was cut to the US and I think even before then we were leaving UK out of the loop on a number of things. There's also the comments from folk here about controversies that are occurring in the UK and the fact we hosted Farage to come and testify at Congress... a bit weird for any ally to do that with the govt's opposition.

[arista]

10% Tarrif on us

[Ammi]

10% Tarrif on us

…until 1 June and raising to 25% tariff then until the deal is reached for his purchase of Greenland…

[bots]

i don't think europe were caught off guard by trumps greenland intentions, he told everyone in his last term he wanted it. I think they didn't want to believe it because of the likely consequences for the security of europe. Sweden and Germany both have active nuclear weapons programs now. All the advanced countries in europe will follow their lead.

No one trusts America any more, elections may never happen there again. America are more comfortable with Putin as a friend. The world is ****ed

[Ammi]

i don't think europe were caught off guard by trumps greenland intentions, he told everyone in his last term he wanted it. I think they didn't want to believe it because of the likely consequences for the security of europe. Sweden and Germany both have active nuclear weapons programs now. All the advanced countries in europe will follow their lead.

No one trusts America any more, elections may never happen there again. America are more comfortable with Putin as a friend. The world is ****ed

…yeah that’s all true, who would have predicted that the US would become such an enemy of the Western World under Trump’s unpredictable dictatorship…

[Maru]

Trump's Greenland tariff squeeze detonates Europe trade deal as NATO is pushed to breaking point
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15473461/Emmanuel-Macron-Trumps-tariff-intimidation-Greenland.html

The European Union is set to block a US trade deal after Donald Trump announced he was imposing tariffs on eight countries for supporting Greenland.

President of the European People's Party (EPP) Manfred Weber, the European Parliament's largest political group, said on Saturday that an agreement with the US was no longer possible.

In a post to X, Weber said: 'The EPP is in favor of the EU–U.S. trade deal, but given Donald Trump's threats regarding Greenland, approval is not possible at this stage. The 0% tariffs on U.S. products must be put on hold.'

His post came after Trump threatened eight European countries with tariffs if they fail to capitulate and allow him to acquire Greenland from Denmark.

The EU trade agreement, struck last summer between Trump and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, still requires a rubber stamp from the parliament.

[bots]

NATO will need to be reformed excluding the USA. The ramifications are enormous

[Maru]

I'm going around and checking the coverage through common outlets. Mainly CNN/DM online are going to be the most common and popular sources of the ones I've looked at that are featuring this story prominently. The others are DC papers/DC-based websites that aren't as popular for normal Americans but of course it's being covered. It's not in the fold on Fox News website funnily enough. I don't have Cable TV so I can't check what they're saying.

On IP TV where people without antennas or Cable can follow local/affiliates through streaming devices, FoxNow (Fox News Localish affiliate) is talking about Iran. ABC local is on for our city, albiet they're before the others (5pm vs 4pm) and they're talking about Trump's healthcare plan. CBS Local is talking about Social Security. Now they're talking about Jerome Powell and how it will affect us (our money). The Hill's channel is talking about the State Department and VISAs. Now they're talking about Austin's LEO policies re: ICE. BBC US News is talking about mega rockets to the Moon, but Greenland/NATO are on the sidebar and in the chyron on rotation prominently enough.

ABC DC Local affiliate is talking about winter activities for kids lol.

NYPost doesn't appear to have it in their fold (the portion of the website that most people see first). NYTimes does (an obvious one). Reuters does (international news outlet so that makes sense). NPR doesn't (!) as I had to scroll to find it. MS Now does, though it's more subdued in terms of headlines than the DM.

A lot of people can easily miss this development imo, but maybe it will hit Primetime news. I just thought that was interesting.

[Maru]

NATO will need to be reformed excluding the USA. The ramifications are enormous

I don't think we even want to be in NATO anymore, if I'm honest.

[bots]

I don't think we even want to be in NATO anymore, if I'm honest.

I think that's why Trump is doing this. He wants the allies to do something so he doesn't get the stick for it. I think they will just create a new organisation that doesnt include the USA and do it quietly behind the scenes.

The most interesting part is the UK/US alliance which has been so close since ww2. Starmer is going to have to be incredibly diplomatic

[Maru]

I think that's why Trump is doing this. He wants the allies to do something so he doesn't get the stick for it. I think they will just create a new organisation that doesnt include the USA and do it quietly behind the scenes.

The most interesting part is the UK/US alliance which has been so close since ww2. Starmer is going to have to be incredibly diplomatic

The world is reorganizing itself and that's kind of a given seeing as so many global powers have major struggles within their own borders that could potentially limit their influence in the long term. So makes sense some are bearing down while others are taking advantage.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d5c95920-bc3c-4037-b6f3-062d05305256.jpeg

[bots]

The world is reorganizing itself and that's kind of a given seeing as so many global powers have major struggles within their own borders that could potentially limit their influence in the long term. So makes sense some are bearing down while others are taking advantage.

America is a rogue state. It's demanding land of sovereign allies by coercion. Having thought about it, i think they will let trump have greenland and rapidly decouple themselves from the USA and hope that a new administration will give it back in a few years. However, all trust is gone and that will take decades to reverse

[arista]

America is a rogue state. It's demanding land of sovereign allies by coercion. Having thought about it, i think they will let trump have greenland and rapidly decouple themselves from the USA and hope that a new administration will give it back in a few years. However, all trust is gone and that will take decades to reverse



Yes Great Points

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3ff985c9-e7cd-4e16-9787-0ac358aa0b84.jpeg

[Maru]

Ironically enough, Israel appears to now be our closest ally.

[arista]

10% Tarrif on us


We need to bring our One or More Troops
Home,

Then the 10% rising later to 25% Tarrif
will go.

[bots]

We need to bring our One or More Troops
Home,

Then the 10% rising later to 25% Tarrif
will go.

No it won't. It won't go until Greenland belongs to Trump

[emseateng2014]

here we go again

[arista]

Labour's Lisa Nandy MP
First spoke Live on Trevor Phillips Sky News

She thinks the King will still
meet President Trump again?

[arista]

1st of June
10% becomes 25% New Tariff

[arista]

Typical Ali
on LBC Live

Has given one option, among others
that we can swallow it : Let Trump take over Greenland

Thus avoiding our own Trade War with America

[arista]

Fantastic Clip from 2016
on Inside Politics, CNN USA on UK TV.

Had Ted Cruz, who was running to be president
back in 2016 stated at that time
"I mean Trump could Nuke Denmark
if he gets into power"


Nasty, easy swipe at Trump
as Ted spoke on the cuff
to CNN USA.

[arista]

Abassadoor levels are now meeting in Brussels
Debating High tariffs from the USA.

Getting ready for Wednesday, Davos
and President Trump arriving.

All EU nations and UK
are united in protecting Greenland

Which will Piss Trump Off

[Cherie]

Abassadoor levels are now meeting in Brussels
Debating High tariffs from the USA.

Getting ready for Wednesday, Davos
and President Trump arriving.

All EU nations and UK
are united in protecting Greenland

Which will Piss Trump Off

As it should be, its Danish territory he has no right to watlz in and take it he is no better than Putin at this stage

[arista]

8 Members of the EU
say the tariff's are wrong.

It showed EU Fighter Jets flying over Greenland

Ch4 News Live


The Fight is building

[bots]

8 Members of the EU
say the tariff's are wrong.

It showed EU Fighter Jets flying over Greenland

Ch4 News Live


The Fight is building

the eu always has planes on patrol. That's what they do

[Maru]

the eu always has planes on patrol. That's what they do

How dare they

[joeysteele]

He's in my view, a plundering, expansionist more like dictator.
How unhinged he is makes him more dangerous internationally.

He's creating more uncertainty, doubt, distrust, fear and even conflict than he's ever going to likely to be even going to try to solve in the World.

It's more like lunacy how he keeps threatening and breaking agreements just because he isn't getting his own way.
Sheer madness but dangerously so.

[Zizu]

He's in my view, a plundering, expansionist more like dictator.
How unhinged he is makes him more dangerous internationally.

He's creating more uncertainty, doubt, distrust, fear and even conflict than he's ever going to likely to be even going to try to solve in the World.

It's more like lunacy how he keeps threatening and breaking agreements just because he isn't getting his own way.
Sheer madness but dangerously so.


It all sounds like a crazy movie script

[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2b06471c-c0f6-420e-8378-a07d2993b71d.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8a789440-8151-4277-a83d-e4d658d88a35.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ab6b96e7-643d-47f2-8ac9-f181031b69e9.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e136748a-6092-46a7-a908-34e6b2a3c1b9.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e35ca4af-18f1-41c8-b324-5fe3d8dab5d0.png

[Maru]

It all sounds like a crazy movie script

Multiple movie scripts at the same time, even

[emseateng2014]

i have this feeling a disturbance in the force that something is gonna happen

[Maru]

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I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace

Wth does that even mean? His narcissistic personality disorder needs a translator.

[bots]

he is a mad dictator at this point and he is being enabled by his administration rather than checked

[Ammi]

he is a mad dictator at this point and he is being enabled by his administration rather than checked

…a mad dictator…?…no, how very dare you downgrade him, he doesn’t want to be a mad dictator, he wants to be THE mad dictator…

[BBXX]

Is America Great Again yet?

[bots]

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Wth does that even mean? His narcissistic personality disorder needs a translator.

on the BBC .....


US President Trump has sent a letter to Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, saying "The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland".

Trump also says he no longer feels "an obligation to think purely of Peace" after Norway "decided not to give" him the Nobel Peace Prize.

In the message, which Støre confirmed he received to press in Norway, Trump says he can now "think about what is good and proper for the United States of America".

He also questions what right of ownership Denmark has to Greenland: "It’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also."

Støre told national newspaper VG that the message was in response to short message he sent to the president on behalf of himself and Finnish President Alexander Stubb.

[Ammi]

Is America Great Again yet?

…I think that Temu might be selling the MAGA caps at a very cheap price this morning…

…I mean seriously, the ego is so huge in the extreme determination to hold the world attention…

[Ammi]

…it’ll be interesting, the impact on US tourism going forward …