Trans issues discussion thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the headline is wrong actually. Transgender men would be allowed to compete in female events as long as they're not on testosterone which is a performance enhancing drug


Sharron Davies MBE
@sharrond62
·
3h
About time! Males not allowed in sport for females at the Olympics. Now it’s
imperative all females are treated with the same respect. No males in any sport
for females. It’s simply cheating. Misogyny, Unfair & often unsafe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

POLICE SCOTLAND TO END TRANS NONSENSE RE: RAPE

Today Chief Constable Jo Farrell announced that rapes will be recorded as by
men regardless of how they identify.

Sanity is returning

Head of Scottish Police statement: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1988609141640962160?s=20

[Livia]

POLICE SCOTLAND TO END TRANS NONSENSE RE: RAPE

Today Chief Constable Jo Farrell announced that rapes will be recorded as by
men regardless of how they identify.

Sanity is returning

Head of Scottish Police statement: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1988609141640962160?s=20

Great news. Let's hope soon they'll stop describing rapist paedos who describe their own ethnicity as 'Arab', as British.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is an evil woman


https://x.com/EssexPR/status/1990371959599951880?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

Graham Linehan has called on people to stand up to “dangerous” trans activists
after he was cleared of harassing a trans activist.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/GettyImages-2233013965.jpg?w=600

The Father Ted and IT Crowd co-creator, 57, was found not guilty of harassing
Sophia Brooks, 18, on social media in October last year.

The judge ruled that while his social media posts about Brooks were
“unattractive and annoying”, they did not amount to harassment.

Speaking outside court, Linehan said: “The judge found me and the women
who gave evidence on my behalf to be credible, honest witnesses, and said
that my actions were not criminal and did not constitute harassment.

“The judge commented that the complainant, a well known trans activist, was
not truthful.

“There are a group of dangerous men who are determined to bully women
and girls and to misuse the courts and police in furtherance of the
misogynistic agenda. I’m proud to have stood up to them, and I will continue
to do so.”

He thanked the Free Speech Union for its “unwavering support” in “helping to
ensure that those who speak out against these dangerous activists are
protected”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/25/graham-linehan-verdict-handed-down-trans-harassment-trial/

[Parmy]

The judge ruled that while his social media posts about Brooks were
“unattractive and annoying”, they did not amount to harassment



Sly dig at Sophia from the judge.

[Cherie]

Cant recall if this has been posted before but worth a second read anyway

An NHS nurse was disciplined after accidentally addressing a transgender paedophile as “Mr”.

The nurse, Jennifer Melle, 40, was treating the patient—who was from a high-security men’s prison—at St Helier Hospital in Carshalton, Surrey. During an aggressive tirade, the patient called Ms Melle a “n—–” three times.

But in October 2024, it was Ms Melle who was investigated and formally disciplined by the hospital. She was issued a final written warning and referred to the Nursing and Midwifery Council.

With the help of the Christian Legal Centre, she is now bringing a legal claim against Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust for harassment, discrimination, and breaches of her human rights. The Telegraph has more:

Ms Melle said: “Ever since I have expressed my Christian beliefs under extreme pressure, I have been a marked woman.”

Last year, the patient, known only as Patient X, arrived from a men’s prison at Ms Melle’s ward to receive treatment for a urinary problem.

During the evening shift, a colleague told Ms Melle, the senior nurse on staff, that the patient wanted to self-discharge and a doctor was called for guidance.

Ms Melle spoke with the doctor on the phone outside the patient’s room, during which Ms Melle referred to the patient as “mister” and “he”.

She said she was discussing a catheter, for a male person, which needed to be removed, adding: “This was a real-life medical scenario that required accurate terminology to avoid any doubt between medical professionals.”

Overhearing Ms Melle, the patient who was born a man but identified as a woman, took issue with the male pronoun and title.

The nurse replied that she was “sorry I cannot refer to you as ‘her’ or ‘she’, as it’s against my faith and Christian values but I can call you by your name”.

The patient began to verbally abuse the nurse, saying: “Imagine if I called you n—–? How about I call you n—–? Yes, black n—–.”

The patient also lunged at her despite being restrained and threatened to make a complaint, she said.

Ms Melle said: “It was terrifying. I’d never been called that word before. And I thought I was going to be attacked.”

Last month, Ms Melle received a letter from the Nursing and Midwifery Council, which is assessing her ability to practise.

Its code of conduct states nurses should “not express your personal beliefs (including political, religious or moral beliefs) in an inappropriate way. Therefore, although [Ms Melle] felt unable to identify Patient X using the preferred pronouns due to her religion… it could be perceived that [Ms Melle’s] actions could… be seen as a potential breach of the code”.

Ms Melle has denied there was any breach of the code and said that a white colleague also referred to the patient as a male but suffered no abuse or investigation.

She said: “My conduct throughout this incident and during my career has been fully compliant with the code.

“I have been put at risk, but I am being treated like a criminal. Sadly, if you put your head above the parapet and speak truthfully on these issues in the NHS, the risk is that you will be knocked down, punished severely and demoted.”

https://freespeechunion.org/nhs-nurse-punished-for-calling-transgender-paedophile-mr/?v=7885444af42e

[Glenn.]

So he’s just an annoying **** then?

[OnTheRight]

Well done Judge. Is common sense finally returning?

[Benjamin]

Going from her referring to the patient as he to the patient then calling her the n word is over the top from the patient. She even offered to call them by their name rather than use pronouns, which is absolutely fine to do. People like patient X make a mockery of actual trans issues.

[arista]

This makes sense due to
the change in the Law.

Was reported on GMB ITV

[The organisation that
oversees girl guide groups in the UK
has announced it is banning
trans girls from joining.

Girlguiding said the move – which means
it will not accept biological boys who
identify as girls - was in response
to the Supreme Court
ruling earlier this year that said
sex meant biological sex in equality law.

The trustees said they had made
the "difficult decision"
with a "heavy heart" and there would be
further announcements on what this
will mean for current members.

Trans rights organisation
TransActual said: "There is no problem being
solved here, only harm being done.
" Women's rights charity Sex Matters
said Girlguiding had done the "right thing"
in making the change.

Around 385,000 girls and young women
between the ages of four and 18 take part
in Rainbows, Brownies, Guides
and Rangers groups around the UK.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7n921wyzvo

[Benjamin]

Firstly, do any Trans actually try and join Girl Guides? Surely there can’t be many, if any.

Secondly, they have the Scouts (which is mixed genders) if they do wish to join something along those lines.

I don’t disagree with the Girl Guides on this.

[Parmy]

A victory for common sense.

[Parmy]

Double standards..

If her behaviour was seen as innapropriate the so should all the tik tok videos nurses and doctors make during pride month whilst on duty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This makes sense due to
the change in the Law.

Was reported on GMB ITV

[The organisation that
oversees girl guide groups in the UK
has announced it is banning
trans girls from joining.

Girlguiding said the move – which means
it will not accept biological boys who
identify as girls - was in response
to the Supreme Court
ruling earlier this year that said
sex meant biological sex in equality law.

The trustees said they had made
the "difficult decision"
with a "heavy heart" and there would be
further announcements on what this
will mean for current members.
Trans rights organisation
TransActual said: "There is no problem being
solved here, only harm being done.
" Women's rights charity Sex Matters
said Girlguiding had done the "right thing"
in making the change.
Around 385,000 girls and young women
between the ages of four and 18 take part
in Rainbows, Brownies, Guides
and Rangers groups around the UK.]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7n921wyzvo


These men are part of Gendered Intelligence, who were advising
girlguiding
on 'inclusion'.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7Ocx1uWIAEocp4?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7Ocx1vW8AAvPGQ?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7Ocx1uXsAQSN7R?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Yes LT
I can see why they went Public Today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Brilliant post by JK summarising the madness of the last few years


https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1995491771950797148?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many headlines about Girlguiding’s trans policy omit a significant safeguarding detail.

The policy allowed men who identify as women to become Guide leaders.

Women who asked questions were reported to the police

Andrewdoyle_com discussed this on @GBNEWS
in 2022


Shocking video: https://x.com/treesey/status/1995965454805074014?s=20

[Parmy]

Woman's institute bans Trans women from becoming members....sanity is prevailing, this is what happens when people clap back..brave move, that should be applauded..


https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/womens-institute-bans-trans-members-5HjdNpm_2/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many headlines about Girlguiding’s trans policy omit a significant safeguarding detail.

The policy allowed men who identify as women to become Guide leaders.

Women who asked questions were reported to the police

Andrewdoyle_com discussed this on @GBNEWS
in 2022


Shocking video: https://x.com/treesey/status/1995965454805074014?s=20

girlguiding will now ensure Guide Girls are girls but will still allow AGP men
like Monica Sulley leadership positions over girls & young women

When a woman complained about him, the Guides reported her to the police

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1hXYAAYiB1?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1fWoAAfYiG?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

girlguiding will now ensure Guide Girls are girls but will still allow AGP men
like Monica Sulley leadership positions over girls & young women

When a woman complained about him, the Guides reported her to the police

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1hXYAAYiB1?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1fWoAAfYiG?format=jpg&name=small

ffs I wouldn't let any little girl next or near that

[Livia]

In years to come, people will look back on this time and wonder how women were made to suffer the indignity of having to accept these weirdos near their children. Frankly, if a woman posted pictures of herself posing like a dominatrix or brandishing a Heckler & Koch like some terrorist, I wouldn't expect her to have anything to do with Girl Guides ever again.

[Parmy]

girlguiding will now ensure Guide Girls are girls but will still allow AGP men
like Monica Sulley leadership positions over girls & young women

When a woman complained about him, the Guides reported her to the police

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1hXYAAYiB1?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7LMy1fWoAAfYiG?format=jpg&name=small

Bout time she learned how to do housework.

[arista]

This is only about UK Girl Guides

[Crimson Dynamo]

No such thing as "Trans kids"

Only sick parents and money-grabbing doctors

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7iex8tWIAAlbr6?format=jpg&name=small

https://nypost.com/2024/07/31/us-news/dad-wins-full-custody-of-son-4-after-childs-mother-allegedly-tried-to-raise-him-non-binary/

[Zizu]

No such thing as "Trans kids"

Only sick parents and money-grabbing doctors

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7iex8tWIAAlbr6?format=jpg&name=small

https://nypost.com/2024/07/31/us-news/dad-wins-full-custody-of-son-4-after-childs-mother-allegedly-tried-to-raise-him-non-binary/


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251207/338a4613897311cdb13e46f2b51b4052.jpg

[Livia]

Charlize Theron has two adopted sons, both trans, apparently. It's tantamount to child abuse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Charlize Theron has two adopted sons, both trans, apparently. It's tantamount to child abuse.

It is child abuse

[Zizu]

Imagine being the non - binary child of Jennifer Lopez a person who apparently uses proper singers to sing the main parts of her songs and she contributes the backing vocals .. hence why she can never sing LIVE


Makes a mockery of her stint as expert vocal judge on America Idol !!

It’s a crazy world

[Crimson Dynamo]

Women's Sports Union
@wsusportsunion
·
2h
Heartfelt congratulations to our co-founder
@sharrond62
on her appointment to the House of Lords!

Sharron's commitment to women's rights, and fair and safe sport for all is
unwavering. We're excited to see what this next chapter brings

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G71BzGmXcAAeGtH?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

Women's Sports Union
@wsusportsunion
·
2h
Heartfelt congratulations to our co-founder
@sharrond62
on her appointment to the House of Lords!

Sharron's commitment to women's rights, and fair and safe sport for all is
unwavering. We're excited to see what this next chapter brings

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G71BzGmXcAAeGtH?format=jpg&name=small


Fabulous

Much deserved

What a stunner she was / is also

[Parmy]

Things get physical again.

https://youtu.be/HT7MlttsM7k?si=Hd5v8A41iN0_opBu

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dozens of rapes and sexual assaults committed in sports centres, police figures reveal

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6OFQ46Lg7hE/hqdefault.jpg

Women and girls are being sexually assaulted in mixed changing rooms
across the country.

New police data show that at least 16 rapes, 80 sexual assaults and 65 acts
of voyeurism were committed in sports centres in 2023, equating to three
offences a week.

Many of the offences were in mixed-sex changing areas, according to a report
by the Women’s Rights Network (WRN), which obtained the figures via
freedom of information requests.

Campaigners warned that mixed-sex changing areas were a “magnet for
sexual predators”.

Single-sex changing facilities are not mandatory, but a Supreme Court ruling
in April found the word “sex” in the Equality Act referred to biological sex and
not gender identity.

The equality and human rights committee has said this means that only
biological women should be able to access female changing rooms.

However, many leisure centres are side-stepping the guidance by installing
mixed-sex changing areas, with one in three failing to offer any single-sex
facilities.

The study was published a day after an NHS trust was found guilty of
harassing a nurse who objected to sharing a women’s changing room with a
transgender doctor.

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article34675938.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_snaddie.jpg

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/09/sexual-predators-target-girls-mixed-changing-rooms-wrn-uk/

[Zizu]

This cannot continue surely !!!

[arista]

Yes Terrible.

[Cherie]

This will never happen, you are hysterical and dreaming up scenarios that will never happen, predators never take advantage of loopholes, Terf, bigot etc etc etc , as usual its women and girls who take the brunt

[Cherie]

Justice for Sandie Peggie

[Mystic Mock]

Voyeurism is happening in a Sports Centre?:conf:

It's terrible nonetheless, I'm just confused on how a Voyeur isn't being noticed in the changing room?

[Cherie]

Voyeurism is happening in a Sports Centre?:conf:

It's terrible nonetheless, I'm just confused on how a Voyeur isn't being noticed in the changing room?

Er Men are very welcome by some activists in womens changing rooms, nobody can argue against it....where have you been?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7_j4q7XcAMCMnG?format=jpg&name=small

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling

Please explain what differentiates a trans woman from 'a man in a dress and
make up', because I've been playing close attention to trans activists for a
decade now and the most common explanation I've been given is 'he says
he's a woman, so play along or you're evil.'

Runner up explanations:

A man is a trans woman if he's put in a lot of effort into looking like a
woman. However, a man who's made no such effort is just as valid a trans
woman as one who does. Trans women with beards and penises are
completely valid.

The existence of men and women with differences of sexual development
('intersex' people) prove that a completely different group of people who
don't have such disorders are trans if they say they are.

The true mark of who's a man or a woman isn't biological sex, but the
untestable gender identity that resides in all human beings, whether or not
they believe in it. At the same time, trans people must be given easy,
automatic access to cross-sex hormones and surgeries so they can alter
themselves to more closely resemble the opposite biological sex.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1999567326711009667?s=20

[Glenn.]

It’s such a weird flex how trans people occupy so much of people’s time and energy.

[Mystic Mock]

Not true. Trans acceptance is highest amongst lesbians.

Lesbians want the eradication of penises that's why?:hehe:

























I'm just kidding, the world wouldn't be the same without watching Lisa from BB10 interacting with Freddie/Halfwit.

[Mystic Mock]

Graham Linehan 🎗️
@Glinner
·

Stoke-on Trent police endangering the life of a troubled man by asking the
public to look out for a woman

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2R5yzVacAAagNR?format=jpg&name=small

Emma Raducanu has nothing on this beauty.:flutter::joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I hope she’s found safe

Has she been found?

[Mystic Mock]

If you all think trans women are just men who are incredibly mentally ill, why are you spreading hate rather than campaigning for men to get more support with their mental health? It's world mental health day today but I'm still just seeing hatred, men getting more support would probably lower how many of them turn into terrifying predators too, very strange to be so focused on bathrooms and mediocre novelist rather than seeking a positive outcome for all. Is it because certain people just enjoy having someone to hate so they can make themselves feel better?

I do understand a lot of your points.

But sexual predators like the power that they hold over the victim, there's not really much society at large can do about that other than putting and keeping the bastard in prison.

[Mystic Mock]

POLICE SCOTLAND TO END TRANS NONSENSE RE: RAPE

Today Chief Constable Jo Farrell announced that rapes will be recorded as by
men regardless of how they identify.

Sanity is returning

Head of Scottish Police statement: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1988609141640962160?s=20

What if a woman were to actually force themselves onto someone though?

Wouldn't that be rape?

[Cherie]

It’s such a weird flex how trans people occupy so much of people’s time and energy.

says the man with nothing to lose...well done you

[Glenn.]

says the man with nothing to lose...well done you

It’s less than 1 in 150 people globally. Globally. It’s not the problem you think it is. Trans people just want to exist.

[Mystic Mock]

In years to come, people will look back on this time and wonder how women were made to suffer the indignity of having to accept these weirdos near their children. Frankly, if a woman posted pictures of herself posing like a dominatrix or brandishing a Heckler & Koch like some terrorist, I wouldn't expect her to have anything to do with Girl Guides ever again.

I'm doing the BIB right now.

I feel like I'm in a time period where 80% of the world are lunatics.

[Mystic Mock]

Er Men are very welcome by some activists in womens changing rooms, nobody can argue against it....where have you been?

But isn't Voyeurism where you're watching someone sexually without the other person even knowing that you're in the room/vicinity?

[Mystic Mock]

Graham Linehan 🎗️
@Glinner
·

Stoke-on Trent police endangering the life of a troubled man by asking the
public to look out for a woman

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2R5yzVacAAagNR?format=jpg&name=small

They reckon that Mary might have travelled to London before going missing.

It sadly doesn't look good either as she's been missing since September. And by the time this article had come out she had been missing for 2 or 3 days by the time that this article had been made.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/police-want-your-help-find-10544916

[BBXX]

This will never happen, you are hysterical and dreaming up scenarios that will never happen, predators never take advantage of loopholes, Terf, bigot etc etc etc , as usual its women and girls who take the brunt

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

[Crimson Dynamo]

:umm2:
Janet Murray
jan_murray

Well done to Trashalou for getting the police to remove this appalling “Arm trans kids” banner at today’s puberty-blocker trial protest.

I managed to capture the moment on video.

The message is disturbing at any time - but calling for vulnerable young people
to be given guns, just three days after 15 Jews were shot dead on Bondi Beach,
is beyond grotesque. No words.

Disturbing video is here: https://x.com/jan_murray/status/2001411268364603524?s=20

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/05/28/TELEMMGLPICT000337489481_16853009609730_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqAmLDJTB6ZptGPwmITY_631yOR_0MqiyZkYv6QK_BOU Y.jpeg?imwidth=960

[Livia]

There are plenty of "trans kids" who have armed themselves and then killed innocents. These people really are stupid.

[Glenn.]

Maybe you’d prefer them just to kill themselves instead.

No one is arming trans kids. Calm down

[Glenn.]

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

The transphobes do not have the critical thinking to see this.

[BBXX]

There are plenty of "trans kids" who have armed themselves and then killed innocents. These people really are stupid.


United States: Transgender individuals are estimated to have committed well under 1% of mass shooting incidents in major datasets.

United Kingdom: There are no known mass shootings attributed to transgender individuals in existing records.

Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Out of thousands of mass shootings (defined as incidents in which four or more people are shot, not including the shooter) since 2013, only around 5–8 were confirmed to involve transgender or nonbinary shooters — roughly ~0.09–0.14% of total incidents.

Across datasets, transgender individuals are not over-represented among mass shooters and are far more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators.


Hope this helps.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
·
1h
Christmas with my whole family, a holiday at New Year with family and dear friends and
enough money to keep Beira’s Place running for generations. Thank you 🥰

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8cahwOXQAArELK?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

JK Rowling is another one who needs to be armed.

[Parmy]

United States: Transgender individuals are estimated to have committed well under 1% of mass shooting incidents in major datasets.

United Kingdom: There are no known mass shootings attributed to transgender individuals in existing records.

Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Out of thousands of mass shootings (defined as incidents in which four or more people are shot, not including the shooter) since 2013, only around 5–8 were confirmed to involve transgender or nonbinary shooters — roughly ~0.09–0.14% of total incidents.

Across datasets, transgender individuals are not over-represented among mass shooters and are far more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators.


Hope this helps.




Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

[BBXX]

Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

Share your opinion on the prior stats I provided first debunking Livia's blatant lies before moving goal posts.

You don't get to use me as a source for stats that you will just ignore.

[Cherie]

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

I love it when men tell women that its okay for them to be assaulted or made to feel uncomfortable in what were previous safe spaces, its just a small percentage right.. we should just suck it up, what if that small percentage happened to be your Mum or your sister, its still okay is it?

Can I just say I was personally told on this forum it would never happen, not that it might only happen to a small percentage, I was told it would NEVER happen, so you moving the goalposts is neither here nor there

[Parmy]

Share your opinion on the prior stats I provided first debunking Livia's blatant lies before moving goal posts.

You don't get to use me as a source for stats that you will just ignore.

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

[Cherie]

It’s less than 1 in 150 people globally. Globally. It’s not the problem you think it is. Trans people just want to exist.

and women just want to be safe, we can't be safe in so many situations so to take away the places that we can actually be safe for such a small percentage of people is actually insane oh and btw its usually men saying it, like your good self

[Glenn.]

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

It’s in the stats he shared. Like I said, no critical thinking. Not even basic comprehension.

[Glenn.]

and women just want to be safe, we can't be safe in so many situations so to take away the places that we can actually be safe for such a small percentage of people is actually insane oh and btw its usually men saying it, like your good self

You’re right. You can’t be safe in so many situations. That isn’t trans people. It’s cis men.

[BBXX]

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

Because they're under represented when it comes to that crime. She made the statement, she needs to provide the evidence and constitute what loads means. Claims like this need to work in stats and percentages, not just raw figures someone deems as "loads".

If a demographic is under represented as perpetrators of a crime, it's evidently not "loads" when that demographic only make up 1% of the population and it's extremely disingenuous to focus on that demographic as a way to provide a hate-filled point.

[Livia]

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

Minneapolis, Minnesota, Robert "Robin" Westman
Robert "Robin" Westman, the suspect who has been identified as the shooter in the killings, identified as transgender. Westman died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the scene. Two children, ages eight and 10, were killed and 17 other people, including 14 children, were injured after Westman opened fire outside the Annunciation Catholic Church and school. Students had been inside the church for the first mass of the year.

Nashville, Tennessee, Audrey "Aiden" Hale
In March 2023, Audrey "Aiden" Hale entered the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, killing three young students and three staff members before police shot Hale dead. Pages of writings released in the wake of the shooting detailed Hale discussing her "imaginary penis" and needing to see a "trans doctor." She wrote, "This female gender role makes me want to not exist." Another entry stated, "My penis exists in my head. I swear to god I'm male." Yet another section stated, "I finally found the answer—that changing one's gender is possible."

Colorado Springs, Colorado, Anderson Lee Aldrich
On November 19, 2022, five people were killed and 40 others injured after Anderson Lee Aldrich opened fire in Club Q, a Colorado Springs LGBTQ nightclub. He was sentenced to life in prison in June 2023. Aldrich identifies as nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. Aldrich was stopped by patrons at the nightclub.

Highlands Ranch, Colorado, Alec McKinney
On May 7, 2019, one student was killed and eight others injured after a shooting took place at the Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, located just outside of Denver. In July 2020, trans-identified female teen Alec McKinney was sentenced to life in prison plus 38 years for the teen’s role in the shooting.

Aberdeen, Maryland, Scnochia Moseley
On September 20, 2018, 26-year-old Snochia Moseley fatally shot three people and injured three others at a Rite Aid warehouse in Aberdeen, Maryland. Friends told the Baltimore Sun at the time that messages sent by Moseley in December 2016 showed the temporary worker identifying as a transgender man and discussing beginning hormone treatment.

[Glenn.]

So five then.

[BBXX]

So five then.

Like I said in another thread... concentrating on swatting ants with their back to a lion.

[Glenn.]

Exactly and I’m gonna get in there before the posts about how “isn’t five enough” and just say that the number shouldn’t exist in the first place. So you can’t save your moral high grounds.

You’re being angry at the wrong people.

[Vicky.]

I think a lot of the time with 'trans crime' men only identify as trans to get put in women's prisons instead of mens, so it distorts the stats somewhat. Iirc 'transwomen' are actually overrepresented when it comes to sexual crimes but again I think this comes down to men playing the system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8cxih3XsAAPwXV?format=jpg&name=small

[Glenn.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8cxih3XsAAPwXV?format=jpg&name=small

Is it transphobic?

Short answer. Yes, many people reasonably see it as transphobic.

Here is why.

• It mocks the phrase “I identify as,” which is closely tied to trans people’s real lives.
• It frames gender identity as a joke or costume you can pick for laughs.
• That joke feeds a common anti trans talking point used to dismiss trans people entirely.
• You do not need to mention trans people directly to target them. Dog whistles still whistle.

Here is the counter argument.

• Some people read it as harmless wordplay about a fictional character.
• They say it pokes fun at language, not at people.
• Intent may not have been malicious.

The problem.

• Impact matters more than intent.
• Trans people already face hostility, ridicule, and disbelief.
• This kind of joke lands in that same pile, whether you mean it or not.

Bottom line.

• If a joke relies on undermining a marginalised group’s identity, it is not neutral.
• You can call it satire if you like. It still punches down.
• Christmas cards should spread cheer, not culture war bait.

If you have to explain why a joke is not transphobic, the joke has already failed.

[Glenn.]

So come on LT. Do explain the joke to the group.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Free Speech Union @SpeechUnion

BAH HUMBUG! 🎄

Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card from its shelves after transgender journalist Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.

We can see that silly season is in full force.

The card simply read: “This Christmas, I’m identifying as a Grinch.”

Gender-critical campaigner Venice Allen has called the decision “surreal” — and we agree.

That person is below :umm2:




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN9d7M0WQAEteca.jpg

[Glenn.]

I love it when LT gets clocked on his **** :joker:

[Livia]

Sophie Sparkles lol... Yeah, she's a real woman just like me.

[Parmy]

Because they're under represented when it comes to that crime. She made the statement, she needs to provide the evidence and constitute what loads means. Claims like this need to work in stats and percentages, not just raw figures someone deems as "loads".

If a demographic is under represented as perpetrators of a crime, it's evidently not "loads" when that demographic only make up 1% of the population and it's extremely disingenuous to focus on that demographic as a way to provide a hate-filled point.




But if there is a higher percentage within that 1 percent committing the crimes compared to the other demographs percentages then there's a problem..It's these figures that are important.

[arista]

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

[Parmy]

1 person n complains...they will be 1/52millionth if the population...and a whole store chain changes what it's selling.


A small percentage impact they will be proud about and only to willing for the world to see.

[Niamh.]

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

This was the card in case anyone is interested

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/2001392794183614464/keimLTMX?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

You’re right. You can’t be safe in so many situations. Thats right its men.

fixed it for you

unless you are denying that men have jumped on the trans bandwagon of course

[Glenn.]

fixed it for you

unless you are denying that men have jumped on the trans bandwagon of course

No one is denying that Cherie. But they’re not trans they’re MEN.

Trans people want what everyone else does, to be left the **** alone.

[Cherie]

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

This was the card in case anyone is interested

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/2001392794183614464/keimLTMX?format=jpg&name=small

:joker:

[Glenn.]

The rhetoric here and in the media that all trans people are demons and it’s ok to laugh at them, make jokes, diminish them at all is disgusting. And completely disproportionate to the actual problem.

Critical thinking guys, it’s not hard.

[Cherie]

No one is denying that Cherie. But they’re not trans they’re MEN.

Trans people want what everyone else does, to be left the **** alone.

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

[Livia]

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

[Livia]

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

Post of the thread.

[Cherie]

The Free Speech Union @SpeechUnion

BAH HUMBUG! 🎄

Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card from its shelves after transgender journalist Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.

We can see that silly season is in full force.

The card simply read: “This Christmas, I’m identifying as a Grinch.”

Gender-critical campaigner Venice Allen has called the decision “surreal” — and we agree.

That person is below :umm2:




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN9d7M0WQAEteca.jpg

Nope I dont want you in my womens space tyvm

[Glenn.]

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

Because we know what it’s like to be outcasted for being who we are. Common sense would tell you that. Just a sliver of common sense.

[BBXX]

But if there is a higher percentage within that 1 percent committing the crimes compared to the other demographs percentages then there's a problem..It's these figures that are important.

I'm not sure why that's so important, as opposed to the prevalence in society as a whole, which shows actual risk probability and why you aren't more focussed on why despite being 49% of the population, men are 90%+ of the perpetrators of sexual assault.

However, lets go for it.

All people arrested who are male, about 0.87% were arrested for a sexual offence.

All people arrested who are female, about 0.13% were arrested for a sexual offence.

So as these figures are so important to you, care to discuss why men - the vast majority of which will be cisgendered, straight men of course - have such a serious issue with sexual assault in a way women don't?

[Glenn.]

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

Then you tell the MEN who are more likely to rape you Cherie.

[BBXX]

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

We don't just rage at women, we rage at anyone saying the same thing.

But why gay men? Because we know once trans people have their rights removed the same people leading the charge are coming for us next. :hee: And then guess what. Once they're done with us, they'll move on to all other women.

[Parmy]

I'm not sure why that's so important, as opposed to the prevalence in society as a whole, which shows actual risk probability and why you aren't more focussed on why despite being 49% of the population, men are 90%+ of the perpetrators of sexual assault.

However, lets go for it.

All people arrested who are male, about 0.87% were arrested for a sexual offence.

All people arrested who are female, about 0.13% were arrested for a sexual offence.

So as these figures are so important to you, care to discuss why men - the vast majority of which will be cisgendered, straight men of course - have such a serious issue with sexual assault in a way women don't?



It's a small percentage of over all crime.. I thought you wernt bothered about small percentages.:shrug:


But to answer the question, it will be their Muslim upbringing for most where they are taught to see women amd children as things t9 be used for their own enjoyment.

[BBXX]

It's a small percentage of over all crime.. I thought you wernt bothered about small percentages.:shrug:


No it's not you doughnut. It just means men are committing a lot more of other crime. We've already established that out of 21,000 cases a year men are culpable for 90-95% of them. Do keep up.


But to answer the question, it will be their Muslim upbringing for most where they are taught to see women amd children as things t9 be used for their own enjoyment.

Despicable.

[Parmy]

No it's not you doughnut. It just means men are committing a lot more of other crime. We've already established that out of 21,000 cases a year men are culpable for 90-95% of them. Do keep up.



Despicable.


We need to separate the men into groups as well to see where the problem lays worst.

[Glenn.]

We already know. It’s cis men

[Parmy]

We already know. It’s cis men

Yes, but is it white British, Pakistani, Chinese etc...Or age, is It teens, elderly, middle aged. Rich poor etc.

[Glenn.]

Yes, but is it white British, Pakistani, Chinese etc...Or age, is It teens, elderly, middle aged. Rich poor etc.

For what reason? For you to make excuses why straight white men rape women?

[Parmy]

For what reason? For you to make excuses why straight white men rape women?

Well there is Zhenhao Zou, who police fear may have raped hundreds, his crimes as a Chinese man will be lumped in with the figures for all men. Which is unfair on the figures for each nationalities demograph.

[Glenn.]

So excuses then

[Parmy]

So excuses then

Just wanting the true figure for white straight men,seeing as you like to refer to them so much.

[Glenn.]

Just wanting the true figure for white straight men,seeing as you like to refer to them so much.

1. Sexual orientation of convicted offenders (England and Wales)
• In the UK, offender data shows that most convicted offenders who declared their orientation were heterosexual. In one official report, 96% of offenders in criminal justice programmes self-reported as heterosexual. 

2. Race and gender data is separated
• Most data on sexual assault convictions is broken down by gender and race, but not by sexual orientation at the same time. Government statistics rarely include sexual orientation with offence data. 

3. Gender of perpetrators (general picture)
• In many jurisdictions, almost all convicted sexual assault offenders are male (often 95% or more). This is consistent across broad studies in the US and UK. 

4. Race/ethnicity of perpetrators
• Studies estimate that a majority of recorded sexual assault perpetrators are white, reflecting population size in places like the US. One US source indicates about 57% of perpetrators were white. 
• UK data on ethnicity of offenders is limited, but available snapshots suggest white offenders are a majority in many categories, again mirroring population proportions.


STRAIGHT. WHITE. MALES

[Parmy]

That's a bold claim with no official figures....but understandable when it's Glenn trying to paint the pictures

[Glenn.]

Great tactic there. Not unexpected though :joker:

Good luck next time

[Parmy]

Straight white males.


Yes Glenn, that will be why our prisons are now ran by Muslim gangs...


Makes sense huh!!

[Glenn.]

Ok

[Parmy]

Ok

Any figures on the percentage of illigal immigrants that commit crime....higher or lower than the Caucasian?

My guess is over double the amount of the white man

[Glenn.]

Look yourself. Not here to do your research so you twist it to be racist and homophobic.
Be sure to link us the credible source and not one of your far right Facebook groups or YT channels won’t you.

[BBXX]

Any figures on the percentage of illigal immigrants that commit crime....higher or lower than the Caucasian?

My guess is over double the amount of the white man

Why don't you know anything yet have such strong opinions. :laugh:

[Glenn.]

Pure ignorance that’s how

[Parmy]

Something to ponder...


The Pakistani/Muslim rape gangs who have raped and assaulted thousands of girls. Each if those crimes will be recorded individually, and all of those individual crimes will be attributed to the male section of who commits the most crimes. This is why it's important to narrow down what type of male is actually more of a danger to women and girls.

[Parmy]

Why don't you know anything yet have such strong opinions. :laugh:

You keep ignoring the need to separate the ethnicity of the men. This makes you ignorant. Deliberately so in my opinion. All because you and Glenn can only bring yourselves to come down on straight white males.

[Glenn.]

He’s trolling now I think. Just ignore it

[Parmy]

He’s trolling now I think. Just ignore it

Ignore your ignorance. That's what you do.


You are a lost cause.

[BBXX]

You keep ignoring the need to separate the ethnicity of the men. This makes you ignorant. Deliberately so in my opinion. All because you and Glenn can only bring yourselves to come down on straight white males.

I find it fascinating you do everything to absolve the demographic you are part of as being a risk to women and girls.

First you say trans people are the issue.

When stats prove it's just men, you say "Ah yes! But not white men like me! It's the brown men!"

Why is it when you talk about the crimes of gay people, trans people, ethnic monitories, you speak as if they're a collective. As if saying "yes, some trans people do sexually assault people" it's a vindication for your negative opinions of the subject and yet... yet you never do that with straight white men.

I remember when we were discussing women being most at risk from their straight, usually white, husbands/boyfriends and you instead tried to divert the conversation to domestic abuse stats for gay marriages. And they say it's the left that's obsessed with identity politics.

I won't play your game anymore. You can't have an honest conversation if you're closing your ears and eyes to the largest demographic causing most harm to women and children just because they're a demographic you happen to be part of. It's completely insincere and pointless.

[Parmy]

Again you keep forgetting the percentages of each demograph that commit crime.

You mention partners, then say they are usually white straight men. Don't you realise how stupid that sounds? Like Muslim women are marrying white men all of a sudden.


Have a bloody word with yourself before running others down for ignorance

[Glenn.]

I find it fascinating you do everything to absolve the demographic you are part of as being a risk to women and girls.

First you say trans people are the issue.

When stats prove it's just men, you say "Ah yes! But not white men like me! It's the brown men!"

Why is it when you talk about the crimes of gay people, trans people, ethnic monitories, you speak as if they're a collective. As if saying "yes, some trans people do sexually assault people" it's a vindication for your negative opinions of the subject and yet... yet you never do that with straight white men.

I remember when we were discussing women being most at risk from their straight, usually white, husbands/boyfriends and you instead tried to divert the conversation to domestic abuse stats for gay marriages. And they say it's the left that's obsessed with identity politics.

I won't play your game anymore. You can't have an honest conversation if you're closing your ears and eyes to the largest demographic causing most harm to women and children just because they're a demographic you happen to be part of. It's completely insincere and pointless.

Because he can’t accept that the issue isn’t trans people or brown people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

🚨 BREAKING: RFK Jr announced he’s signed a directive BANNING transgender surgeries for minors nationwide

“So-called gender-affirming care has inflicted lasting physical and psychological
damage on vulnerable young people. This is not medicine—it is MALPRACTICE”

“We're DONE with junk science driven by ideological pursuits, not the wellbeing of children.”

FINALLY! 🔥

https://www.wypr.org/2025-12-18/rfk-jr-and-dr-oz-announce-moves-to-ban-gender-affirming-care-for-young-people

[Glenn.]

The same man who thinks tylenol causes autism? That one?

[Maru]

44 pages... lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Huge WIN for the children against evil doctors and activists

:clap1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8eGZVGWYAA6ZSv?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

Huge WIN for the children against evil doctors and activists

:clap1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8eGZVGWYAA6ZSv?format=jpg&name=small

The problem is they are not getting their appendages removed, just buying a pink phonecase and slapping on a bit off lippy in the majority of cases

Wonder if Sophie Sparkles has had the op :think:

[Cherie]

Then you tell the MEN who are more likely to rape you Cherie.

We are doing but get called TERFs for our trouble

[BBXX]

Again you keep forgetting the percentages of each demograph that commit crime.

You mention partners, then say they are usually white straight men. Don't you realise how stupid that sounds? Like Muslim women are marrying white men all of a sudden.

Have a bloody word with yourself before running others down for ignorance

I'm not saying other ethnicities don't abuse their spouse, the conversation I was referring to was off the back of the mostly white free speech protest and how during an anti migrant protest earlier in the year 41% of those arrested were known to police for domestic abuse.

What I'm saying is that you are obsessed with talking about all other crimes from all other datasets aside from straight, white males and then you correlate the crime of each minority to their race, or gender identity, or sexuality. You do it all the time. Bye.

[BBXX]

The problem is they are not getting their appendages removed, just buying a pink phonecase and slapping on a bit off lippy in the majority of cases

Wonder if Sophie Sparkles has had the op :think:

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

Jesus

:umm2:

[Parmy]

I'm not saying other ethnicities don't abuse their spouse, the conversation I was referring to was off the back of the mostly white free speech protest and how during an anti migrant protest earlier in the year 41% of those arrested were known to police for domestic abuse.

What I'm saying is that you are obsessed with talking about all other crimes from all other datasets aside from straight, white males and then you correlate the crime of each minority to their race, or gender identity, or sexuality. You do it all the time. Bye.


There's nothing to debate about that though, it's obvious white straight males cause the most harm, cause there are more of them than any other demograoh. Many many many more.

I'm glad you are away cause you just simply refuse to discuss which demograph, when narrowed down is actually the most dangerous.

[Cherie]

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

[Glenn.]

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

How often have YOU seen male genitals in a female space Cherie? Asking for a friend.

[Cherie]

How often have YOU seen male genitals in a female space Cherie? Asking for a friend.

Twice...

[Cherie]

What does that have to do with anything, how many times have you been raped? just because you haven't doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just a bizarre question

[BBXX]

There's nothing to debate about that though, it's obvious white straight males cause the most harm, cause there are more of them than any other demograoh. Many many many more.

I'm glad you are away cause you just simply refuse to discuss which demograph, when narrowed down is actually the most dangerous.

When I said that you correlate the crime with the race or sexuality and gender identity apart from when it's straight white males this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Straight white males, in your opinion, cause the most harm because of... maths. Simply because of numbers. Just out of coincidence. Because there is more than any other demographic.

Apart from that isn't quite true. Because while straight white men make up 38% of the population and straight white women also make up 38% of the population.

So tell me, if it's just a numbers thing...why aren't straight white females causing harm on the same level?

You see, by ignoring a huge chunk of the perpetrators of sexual assault crimes, boiling it down to 'we know they do because numbers' you are leaving out a huge part of what should be the conversation. It's irresponsible. Just because we know something is happening, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. In fact, we should talk about it more.

Instead what you insist on doing is focusing in on the gay men, the trans men, the asian men, because focusing in on the straight white men makes you feel uncomfortable.

But it's a man problem. It's not an asian problem, or a black problem, or a white problem, or a trans problem it's just a problem with men. And that includes white, straight men and so if we want to be honest about the safety of women and girls they also need to be part of the conversation, not a footnote.

[Glenn.]

Twice...

lol ok

[BBXX]

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

I don't need it pointing out to me, of course it can. I wouldn't want to see a vagina particularly, so I understand but do you think someone with gender dysphoria who hates their body will be helicoptering their way around a changing room or do you think they'll be getting changed in a cubicle? Jesus, most cis men get changed underneath a towel let alone trans women who for the reality for most is that they don't even want to look at their genitalia let alone have others see it.

[Cherie]

lol ok

You asked a question, I answered in good faith, you choose not to believe, no issue, that is on you, and shows exactly where you are on this discussion, you have outed yourself as not caring about women, both times it happened in a gym changing room I challenged them and they scuttled into a cubicle because that is what they are ....spineless and hoping to prey on the vulnerable .... bit like you really

[Crimson Dynamo]

What percentage of men who are desperate to use women's spaces are AGP?
Is it below 95 percent or not

[Cherie]

I don't need it pointing out to me, of course it can. I wouldn't want to see a vagina particularly, so I understand but do you think someone with gender dysphoria who hates their body will be helicoptering their way around a changing room or do you think they'll be getting changed in a cubicle? Jesus, most cis men get changed underneath a towel let alone trans women who for the reality for most is that they don't even want to look at their genitalia let alone have others see it.

I answered your rather strange question where you tried to make me out as being a bit odd... what more can I do

[Glenn.]

You asked a question, I answered in good faith, you choose not to believe, no issue, that is on you, and shows exactly where you are on this discussion, you have outed yourself as not caring about women, both times it happened in a gym changing room I challenged them and they scuttled into a cubicle because that is what they are ....spineless and hoping to prey on the vulnerable .... bit like you really

No you’re right I don’t believe you.

[Cherie]

No you’re right I don’t believe you.


we really need that sure Jan gif now, I dont give a rats ass what you believe or dont believe, dont bother me again

[Mystic Mock]

:umm2:
Janet Murray
jan_murray

Well done to Trashalou for getting the police to remove this appalling “Arm trans kids” banner at today’s puberty-blocker trial protest.

I managed to capture the moment on video.

The message is disturbing at any time - but calling for vulnerable young people
to be given guns, just three days after 15 Jews were shot dead on Bondi Beach,
is beyond grotesque. No words.

Disturbing video is here: https://x.com/jan_murray/status/2001411268364603524?s=20

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/05/28/TELEMMGLPICT000337489481_16853009609730_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqAmLDJTB6ZptGPwmITY_631yOR_0MqiyZkYv6QK_BOU Y.jpeg?imwidth=960

Someone that wants to arm any child shouldn't be listened to on anything imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

Tbf, every demographic of people has child abusers amongst them.

[Glenn.]

we really need that sure Jan gif now, I dont give a rats ass what you believe or dont believe, dont bother me again

With pleasure. You just make sure you do the same :thumbs:

Utter bliss

[Glenn.]

Someone that wants to arm any child shouldn't be listened to on anything imo.

Or arm anyone for that matter like Livia wants to.

[Mystic Mock]

I think a lot of the time with 'trans crime' men only identify as trans to get put in women's prisons instead of mens, so it distorts the stats somewhat. Iirc 'transwomen' are actually overrepresented when it comes to sexual crimes but again I think this comes down to men playing the system.

I do agree with this.

[Parmy]

When I said that you correlate the crime with the race or sexuality and gender identity apart from when it's straight white males this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Straight white males, in your opinion, cause the most harm because of... maths. Simply because of numbers. Just out of coincidence. Because there is more than any other demographic.

Apart from that isn't quite true. Because while straight white men make up 38% of the population and straight white women also make up 38% of the population.

So tell me, if it's just a numbers thing...why aren't straight white females causing harm on the same level?

You see, by ignoring a huge chunk of the perpetrators of sexual assault crimes, boiling it down to 'we know they do because numbers' you are leaving out a huge part of what should be the conversation. It's irresponsible. Just because we know something is happening, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. In fact, we should talk about it more.

Instead what you insist on doing is focusing in on the gay men, the trans men, the asian men, because focusing in on the straight white men makes you feel uncomfortable.

But it's a man problem. It's not an asian problem, or a black problem, or a white problem, or a trans problem it's just a problem with men. And that includes white, straight men and so if we want to be honest about the safety of women and girls they also need to be part of the conversation, not a footnote.



Nothing makes me uncomfortable.

[Glenn.]

I’d say the only thing you commented from that post is the only thing that touched a nerve

[Barry.]

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

What if the trans woman had a vagina? Or is it just the ones who aren’t fully op? Genuine question?

[Mystic Mock]

Is it transphobic?

Short answer. Yes, many people reasonably see it as transphobic.

Here is why.

• It mocks the phrase “I identify as,” which is closely tied to trans people’s real lives.
• It frames gender identity as a joke or costume you can pick for laughs.
• That joke feeds a common anti trans talking point used to dismiss trans people entirely.
• You do not need to mention trans people directly to target them. Dog whistles still whistle.

Here is the counter argument.

• Some people read it as harmless wordplay about a fictional character.
• They say it pokes fun at language, not at people.
• Intent may not have been malicious.

The problem.

• Impact matters more than intent.
• Trans people already face hostility, ridicule, and disbelief.
• This kind of joke lands in that same pile, whether you mean it or not.

Bottom line.

• If a joke relies on undermining a marginalised group’s identity, it is not neutral.
• You can call it satire if you like. It still punches down.
• Christmas cards should spread cheer, not culture war bait.

If you have to explain why a joke is not transphobic, the joke has already failed.

I strongly disagree with this.

And punching down is a term that shouldn't exist when it comes to Comedy imo.

In my view if the person can't take a joke then they're the problem, and they do need to grow a thicker skin.

Btw I'm not saying that people have to like a particular joke either, but maybe just don't try to get it banned or censored would be nice personally would be my advice to these people.

And to go back to the punching down point - if someone can make a joke about (to follow in line with the thread) non-Trans people but non-Trans people can't make jokes about Trans people isn't the punching down really happening to the non-Trans people? Because they can be joked about but aren't supposed to dish it back out.

Plus I wouldn't say "many" will see the Christmas Card as Transphobic, the grand majority will see the decision to ban it as absurd would be my guess.

[Parmy]

I’d say the only thing you commented from that post is the only thing that touched a nerve



The discussion about white straight men has been going on for all my years of life..the subject almost bores me now. The trans however, well these are new statistics. They want this and They want that, and it all involves harrasing real women. Not just in their toilet spaces but at work as well with the tic the box approach government ran institutions have decided to follow.


The Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, it's a new phenominon, one that looks like it's been facilitated to appease the minorities. To hide facts, to allow the boney fingers of the minorities to point elsewhere to hide their real shame. That finger always pointed at the straight white male.

Trans are straight white males aren't they, they just think they are in the wrong body, don't they? Straight white men in the wrong bodies wanting to be in beside the women in their toilets like some dirty old straight white pervert.


Is that what you want for the world

[Glenn.]

The discussion about white straight men has been going on for all my years of life..the subject almost bores me now. The trans however, well these are new statistics. They want this and They want that, and it all involves harrasing real women. Not just in their toilet spaces but at work as well with the tic the box approach government ran institutions have decided to follow.


The Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, it's a new phenominon, one that looks like it's been facilitated to appease the minorities. To hide facts, to allow the boney fingers of the minorities to point elsewhere to hide their real shame. That finger always pointed at the straight white male.

Trans are straight white males aren't they, they just think they are in the wrong body, don't they? Straight white men in the wrong bodies wanting to be in beside the women in their toilets like some dirty old straight white pervert.

No they’re not and it’s your sweeping generalisation of the demographics that’s lets you down and we can all see that you don’t know what the hell you're talking about. It’s like you’re projecting.

[Mystic Mock]

The rhetoric here and in the media that all trans people are demons and it’s ok to laugh at them, make jokes, diminish them at all is disgusting. And completely disproportionate to the actual problem.

Critical thinking guys, it’s not hard.

It is 100% is okay to do the BIB.

Just like it's okay to laugh at and make jokes about any group of people or situation, that is how the best Comedies came into existence after all.

[Cherie]

What if the trans woman had a vagina? Or is it just the ones who aren’t fully op? Genuine question?

Fully op ...no issue, but then if then if men go through puberty and they turn up in womens sports, it is a minefield...so in my view the trans population should have their own category..

[Parmy]

No they’re not and it’s your sweeping generalisation of the demographics that’s lets you down and we can all see that you don’t know what the hell you're talking about. It’s like you’re projecting.

What are they then? Gay men who think they have to be a woman cause they fancy men? Cause that's mentally unstable, and would be proved to be by science.

[Cherie]

I strongly disagree with this.

And punching down is a term that shouldn't exist when it comes to Comedy imo.

In my view if the person can't take a joke then they're the problem, and they do need to grow a thicker skin.

Btw I'm not saying that people have to like a particular joke either, but maybe just don't try to get it banned or censored would be nice personally would be my advice to these people.

And to go back to the punching down point - if someone can make a joke about (to follow in line with the thread) non-Trans people but non-Trans people can't make jokes about Trans people isn't the punching down really happening to the non-Trans people? Because they can be joked about but aren't supposed to dish it back out.

Plus I wouldn't say "many" will see the Christmas Card as Transphobic, the grand majority will see the decision to ban it as absurd would be my guess.

There are jokes about everyone in life, ageist, blondes, women, men...gays ...apparently trans is a protected species, how dreary does your life have to be to find a victimhood in literally everything.... sad

[Cherie]

It is 100% is okay to do the BIB.

Just like it's okay to laugh at and make jokes about any group of people or situation, that is how the best Comedies came into existence after all.

dont laugh at trans :fist: literally if the activists lightened up a bit ....but no

[Mystic Mock]

Or arm anyone for that matter like Livia wants to.

Personally I wouldn't want to see that either.

[Mystic Mock]

dont laugh at trans :fist: literally if the activists lightened up a bit ....but no

Activists of most groups tend to be quite moody imo.:joker:

[Livia]

Personally I wouldn't want to see that either.

I don't read Glenn's posts only when someone else quotes them, but I feel compelled to say that I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that I don't really want to arm people. Glenn is only a literalist when it's suits his agenda.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't read Glenn's posts only when someone else quotes them, but I feel compelled to say that I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that I don't really want to arm people. Glenn is only a literalist when it's suits his agenda.

Oh, I was thinking more broadly rather than anyone on here suggesting to arm people.

[Glenn.]

She was pretty specific on who she would arm. Alarming really.