Clarification on the vast differences between asylum seekers and illegal migrants.

[Kate!]

An asylum seeker is someone who has left their home country and is seeking protection in another country, claiming they fear persecution or harm, and their claim is still being assessed. An illegal immigrant, or undocumented migrant, is someone who has entered or remained in a country without the legal right to do so, often without proper documentation. While an asylum seeker is seeking legal status, an illegal immigrant lacks legal status.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Asylum Seeker:
Definition:
An asylum seeker is an individual who has crossed an international border and applied for asylum in another country, claiming they fear persecution or harm if they return to their home country.
Status:
Their claim is under consideration by the host country's immigration authorities.
Legality:
While they may have entered the country irregularly, they are not necessarily illegal immigrants as they are actively seeking legal protection through the asylum process.
Right to Apply:
Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in a country that has signed the 1951 Refugee Convention, and they have the right to remain until their claim is assessed.
Example:
A person fleeing war in their home country arrives at an airport in a different country and applies for asylum. They are an asylum seeker while their claim is being processed.
Illegal Immigrant (or Undocumented Migrant):
Definition: An illegal immigrant is someone who resides in a country without the legal right to do so, having either entered the country without authorization or overstayed a visa.
Status: They are considered to be in violation of that country's immigration laws.
Legality: They lack legal status and may face detention or deportation.
Example: Someone enters a country on a tourist visa and then stays beyond the visa's expiration date, or someone enters the country without authorization. They are considered illegal immigrants.
Key Differences:
Intent:
An asylum seeker intends to apply for legal protection, while an illegal immigrant may or may not have had any intent to seek legal status.
Legal Status:
An asylum seeker has applied for legal status, while an illegal immigrant lacks legal status.
Process:
An asylum seeker is undergoing a legal process to determine their status, while an illegal immigrant is in violation of immigration laws.

[Kate!]

To add to the above.

Asylum seekers, genuine cases are placed in sub standard accommodation.

Illegal migrants, of which there are many, many more entering on a daily basis, are placed in 3 star and above hotels. Hence all the countrywide protests that have been going on.

The public know what's what, and we are sick of it.

[Glenn.]

:joker: so unbelievably wrong

[Kate!]

:joker: so unbelievably wrong

It's taken from a Government website.

[Glenn.]

Illegal immigrants aren’t housed by the government. Except the ones in detention centres.

This may help clarify it for you


1. Immigration Removal Centres (IRCs)
•Secure detention facilities.
•Used to hold people:
•Awaiting deportation.
•Who have overstayed visas.
•Whose asylum claims have been refused.
•There are currently 7 IRCs in the UK (e.g. Harmondsworth, Yarl’s Wood).
•Capacity: Around 2,000 people total.

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2. Hotels and Temporary Accommodation (if asylum claimed)

If someone enters illegally but claims asylum, they are no longer considered illegal. While their claim is processed, they may be placed in:
•Hotels (e.g. budget chains) due to a shortage of housing.
•Dispersal accommodation (shared houses or hostels across the UK).
•Managed by contractors like Serco, Mears, or Clearsprings.
•In 2023, over 50,000 asylum seekers were living in hotels, costing taxpayers £8 million per day.

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3. If not detained or claiming asylum

Illegal migrants who are:
•Not in detention
•Not claiming asylum
•Often live informally:
•Sofa-surfing
•With friends or relatives
•In overcrowded or unsafe housing
•Sometimes homeless or working illegally for shelter

[Vicky.]

To add to the above.

Asylum seekers, genuine cases are placed in sub standard accommodation.

Illegal migrants, of which there are many, many more entering on a daily basis, are placed in 3 star and above hotels. Hence all the countrywide protests that have been going on.

The public know what's what, and we are sick of it.
..if they are illegal then how do they get nice hotels on the governments dime? Never understood that

[Glenn.]

They don’t Vicky. That’s what she’s trying to say happens.

Facts and processes apparently mean nothing.

[Liam-]

..if they are illegal then how do they get nice hotels on the governments dime? Never understood that

It doesn’t make sense because it’s obviously not true, illegal immigrants are illegal because they’re not supposed to be here and are not known to be here by the government, so this notion that they get given everything they want instead of white people is nothing but racist propaganda

[Beso]

Come by boat equals illigal..

As does arriving with no documentation...hence the need for passports.



People can dress it up in a big pink frilly asylum seeking dress all they want...but the illigal came before the asylum seeking..perhaps as not to be confused with chickens and eggs we could agree to call them illigal migrants with no other option but to claim they are seeking asylum.. but they would then have to have something to seek asylum from...the massive majority don't, hence why they ditch any form of documentation that would identify them.

[Glenn.]

Can’t even ****ing spell illegal

[Kate!]

No need to swear at him. Dearie me.

[Beso]

Can’t even ****ing spell illegal

Such uncouth language from a wordsmith.:nono:

[Glenn.]

Such uncouth language from a wordsmith.:nono:


It doesn’t help your case at all. At least make it believable.

[Beso]

It doesn’t help your case at all. At least make it believable.

Still here are we.:smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxgCOqvXkAAVror?format=jpg&name=small

[Kate!]

I just watched several more videos of actual footage of the migrants in the hotels.

But no, it's not happening according to Glenn
Lol.

[Glenn.]

Dread to think the source :skull:

[Kate!]

Dread to think the source :skull:

Whatever the source, you can't fake actual live footage.

[Liam-]

She’s watching racists just filming random brown people in hotels and believing everything said about them

[Glenn.]

Bless :joker: :joker:

[Glenn.]

She’s watching racists just filming random brown people in hotels and believing everything said about them


They must be wearing name badges that say illegal immigrant

[Kate!]

They must be wearing name badges that say illegal immigrant

Don't be ridiculous. They are interviewed and happily explaining why they are here.

[Glenn.]

Like the “concerned” mother from Epping who happens to be be the reform MP for Epping

[Liam-]

Or the ‘concerned citizen’ protesting to protect women and children, who was from Ireland and had been sent to prison for attacking, tying up and robbing an old woman, definitely just concerned people and totally not racists in any way whatsoever

[Crimson Dynamo]

"I’m at least hoping you know the difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant."

So which ones are the doctors and engineers?

:think:

[Beso]

I'm on about migrants being interviewed you daft pair, not concerned citizens.

It's what they do Kate...They use 2 examples to tar everyone with the same brush.....Then in the next sentence they tell people you can't judge all immigrants on the actions of some.

[Cherie]

Britain's migrant welcome schemes costing an estimated whopping £38 billion over the past decade are failing in one key aspect, a damning new report has found. It warned that the significant spending has "relatively little to show" in regards to long-term social infrastructure.

The Government has been told its welcome schemes need to move from a "crisis-led, reactive provision to a proactive one", with greater focus on the longer term required. The report by Oxford University's Global Exchange on Migration and Diversity, titled The Future of Welcoming in the UK, said schemes in the 10 years up to 2014 have been "without an overall strategy" and "limited evaluation and assessment of value for money". It says roughly £20billion, rising to more than £38billion when adjusted for inflation, have been spent on 26 different streams during the period.

The study, published by The National, said this is likely an "underestimate" with the actual figure expected to be even higher.

It said more than half of the amount spent was on asylum accommodation, including migrant hotels, with spending "increasing rapidly" in recent years - from around £200million in 2016 to more than £5billion in 2024.

The spending on migrant hotels during the period was described as an "overspend" and comes amid a series of protests across the country outside hotels being used to accommodate asylum seekers.

Author of the report Jacqueline Broadhead, director of the Global Exchange on Migration and Diversity, said spending on the hotels over the past decade are "unnecessarily high".

"Better planning and organisation could have reduced this sum substantially ... and helped the country to invest in a longer-term and more acceptable model," she said.

Channel small boat crossings have reached 25,000 so far in 2025 - a record for this point in the year.

The report criticised Britain's focus on the "front-end" welcoming of migrants, with less emphasis placed on "longer term integration outcomes and community cohesion".

It detailed how there is no UK-wide strategy for welcoming, integration and inclusion of migrants with no Government taking total ownership, with responsibility mainly split between the Home Office and Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government.

The report detailed a plan to reform the system, including the establishment of a joint integration planning group at central Whitehall level.

The authors added Labour has "taken several steps which address some of the issues highlighted in the report".

Just highlighting a few words in the report for the ill informed who believe the migrants are all missing in action :D:




Thought the migrants got no help :joker:

[Glenn.]

Britain's migrant welcome schemes costing an estimated whopping £38 billion over the past decade are failing in one key aspect, a damning new report has found. It warned that the significant spending has "relatively little to show" in regards to long-term social infrastructure.

The Government has been told its welcome schemes need to move from a "crisis-led, reactive provision to a proactive one", with greater focus on the longer term required. The report by Oxford University's Global Exchange on Migration and Diversity, titled The Future of Welcoming in the UK, said schemes in the 10 years up to 2014 have been "without an overall strategy" and "limited evaluation and assessment of value for money". It says roughly £20billion, rising to more than £38billion when adjusted for inflation, have been spent on 26 different streams during the period.

The study, published by The National, said this is likely an "underestimate" with the actual figure expected to be even higher.

It said more than half of the amount spent was on asylum accommodation, including migrant hotels, with spending "increasing rapidly" in recent years - from around £200million in 2016 to more than £5billion in 2024.

The spending on migrant hotels during the period was described as an "overspend" and comes amid a series of protests across the country outside hotels being used to accommodate asylum seekers.

Author of the report Jacqueline Broadhead, director of the Global Exchange on Migration and Diversity, said spending on the hotels over the past decade are "unnecessarily high".

"Better planning and organisation could have reduced this sum substantially ... and helped the country to invest in a longer-term and more acceptable model," she said.

Channel small boat crossings have reached 25,000 so far in 2025 - a record for this point in the year.

The report criticised Britain's focus on the "front-end" welcoming of migrants, with less emphasis placed on "longer term integration outcomes and community cohesion".

It detailed how there is no UK-wide strategy for welcoming, integration and inclusion of migrants with no Government taking total ownership, with responsibility mainly split between the Home Office and Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government.

The report detailed a plan to reform the system, including the establishment of a joint integration planning group at central Whitehall level.

The authors added Labour has "taken several steps which address some of the issues highlighted in the report".

Just highlighting a few words in the report for the ill informed who believe the migrants are all missing in action :D:




Thought the migrants got no help :joker:


I can’t see the word illegal in that report :think:

Key difference

“Migrant” is a broad, neutral term.
“Illegal migrant” means someone is in the country unlawfully.

Be cautious. Some people misuse the word “migrant” when they mean “illegal” to stir up fear or confusion

[Cherie]

I can’t see the word illegal in that report :think:

Key difference

“Migrant” is a broad, neutral term.
“Illegal migrant” means someone is in the country unlawfully.

Be cautious. Some people misuse the word “migrant” when they mean “illegal” to stir up fear or confusion

Legal migrants are not put up in hotels, they get a visa because they have a job to come to and rent or buy if they can, my sons lodger is an Indian national, visa, job, address, it as a condition of his visa that he had an address to go to, and when I worked in Postgraduate Education, students had to find and pay for their own accommodation in fact again it was a condition of their visa that they had the funds to rent and had to provide either a guarantor or bank statements to prove it, you literally have no idea what is going on

[Glenn.]

Migrant

A migrant is anyone who moves from one country to another. This includes:
•Legal migrants: people who come with a visa, for work, study, or family reasons.
•Asylum seekers: people fleeing danger who apply for protection.
•Refugees: asylum seekers who’ve been granted protection.



I know you’re trying really hard to make this work for you but it’s just not.

[Beso]

Migrant

A migrant is anyone who moves from one country to another. This includes:
•Legal migrants: people who come with a visa, for work, study, or family reasons.
•Asylum seekers: people fleeing danger who apply for protection.
•Refugees: asylum seekers who’ve been granted protection.



I know you’re trying really hard to make this work for you but it’s just not.




All that says is they don't have an illegal migrant section, simply because an illegal migrant isn't in fact a migrant purely down to the fact they didnt follow the rules of being a migrant..so they can't be called migrants. The government is to **** scared to call the boat arrivals what they are...which is illegal migrants/immigrants. They are the ones that take up the majority of spaces in the hotels, anyone denying that is sticking their head in the sand cause the are to **** scared like the government.


These illegals are greedy selfish bastard taking up space for proper migrants who have had to seek asylum elsewhere because of conflict, the mothers, the children the elderly and infirm. Those poor souls places taken up by some entitled fool chasing a new pot if gold like the one he was lucky enough to have at home. They have to enter illegally because they wouldn't be accepted otherwise due to which faction they belonged to in past wars in the middle East.

[Glenn.]

All that says is they don't have an illegal migrant section, simply because an illegal migrant isn't in fact a migrant purely down to the fact they didnt follow the rules of being a migrant..so they can't be called migrants. The government is to **** scared to call the boat arrivals what they are...which is illegal migrants/immigrants. They are the ones that take up the majority of spaces in the hotels, anyone denying that is sticking their head in the sand cause the are to **** scared like the government.


These illegals are greedy selfish bastard taking up space for proper migrants who have had to seek asylum elsewhere because of conflict, the mothers, the children the elderly and infirm. Those poor souls places taken up by some entitled fool chasing a new pot if gold like the one he was lucky enough to have at home. They have to enter illegally because they wouldn't be accepted otherwise due to which faction they belonged to in past wars in the middle East.


No it clearly states what a migrant is. And look guys… it says asylum seeker. And they have every right to seek asylum in the uk.
I’m not even gonna bother acknowledging the mess that was the rest of this post coz we both know it doesn’t matter who is coming over boats, the reaction would still be the same.

[Beso]

No it clearly states what a migrant is. And look guys… it says asylum seeker. And they have every right to seek asylum in the uk.
I’m not even gonna bother acknowledging the mess that was the rest of this post coz we both know it doesn’t matter who is coming over boats, the reaction would still be the same.


But it doesn't classify illegal immigration. Which is what our hotels are full with. It's really simple, do it the proper way and you are welcome. Enter undocumented and in an illegal manner, then no. Sorry but only mugs would accept that.

[Glenn.]

In Your opinion. Which I don't give two hoots about. Bye.

I understood the difference perfectly. I was clarifying it for you. Don't be facetious. If I didn't know, I'd have asked it as a question. Doh. :joker:

Make it make sense :joker:

[Glenn.]

But it doesn't classify illegal immigration. Which is what our hotels are full with. It's really simple, do it the proper way and you are welcome. Enter undocumented and in an illegal manner, then no. Sorry but only mugs would accept that.

But that’s where you’re wrong. They’re not full of illegals. They are people seeking asylum. Which they have every right to do. You know I can keep saying it over and over. Because it’s true.

[Beso]

But that’s where you’re wrong. They’re not full of illegals. They are people seeking asylum. Which they have every right to do. You know I can keep saying it over and over. Because it’s true.

Whatever floats your boat.


I can guarantee 94 percent of them had to run up a beech to get to that hotel though. Which is illegal, right!


Came from the safe haven of France, right? What asylum are they seeking? You can't just get to a safe haven, then jump on a boat to enter another country illegally and then..only then, call yourself an asylum seeker.

It's almost as daft as a man with a penis claiming to be a woman.

[Cherie]

migrant

a migrant is anyone who moves from one country to another. This includes:
•legal migrants: People who come with a visa, for work, study, or family reasons.
•asylum seekers: People fleeing danger who apply for protection.
•refugees: Asylum seekers who’ve been granted protection.



I know you’re trying really hard to make this work for you but it’s just not.

yes legal migrants who come with a visa....

They are not put up in hotels, not sure how much clearer it needs to be for you to understand...... Legal migrants need an address or a family member to guarantee their rent as a condition of their visa, they will not be hosted at the expense of the country, any further questions?

[Glenn.]

yes legal migrants who come with a visa....

They are not put up in hotels, not sure how much clearer it needs to be for you to understand...... Legal migrants need an address or a family member to guarantee their rent as a condition of their visa, they will not be hosted at the expense of the country, any further questions?


Maybe you’re deliberately ignoring the rest of the migrants listed in my post.
Asylum seekers are classed as migrants too :thumbs:

[Beso]

I like the refugees.

I did a charity swim for the charity "refuweegie" a 31 day swim challenge with guest. I was honoured to be the guest on day 12.

[Cherie]

Maybe you’re deliberately ignoring the rest of the migrants listed in my post.
Asylum seekers are classed as migrants too :thumbs:

wtaf, you have just spent a day practically telling us that the people in hotels were not illegal migrants....like what the hell :laugh:

[Nicky91]

luckily you guys don't live in my nation then


thanks to the idiot woman Dilan Yesilgoz in our parliament, we won't do anything about this asylum seeker/migrant crisis


she even made Geert Wilders and his PVV quit which meant the collapse of our current government


i really don't know why it is so difficult to say no to more asylum seekers/migrants, to be honest

[Glenn.]

wtaf, you have just spent a day practically telling us that the people in hotels were not illegal migrants....like what the hell :laugh:


They’re not illegal migrants. They’re asylum seekers.

[thesheriff443]

They’re not illegal migrants. They’re asylum seekers.

There are many illegal migrants who are claiming to be asylum seekers but they are not fleeing conflict or persecution
You have a lot of Albanians and other nationals claiming to be from war torn countries you also have straight men claiming to be gay and that the reason they have fled a country but they are not gay or even from the country they claim to have fled from it’s why they throw their passports away so they can’t be quickly identified and sent back

It’s been asked many times if you are a genuine asylum seeker you don’t need to get in a boat you can fly here for 25 pounds and claim asylum

I’m not going to go back and forth with this I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers and to me asylum seekers are a mum dad and children because why would you leave your loved ones behind if they are in danger

[Crimson Dynamo]

They’re not illegal migrants. They’re asylum seekers.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The PM calling illegals illegal now

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
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49m
We have detained the first illegal migrants under our new deal before returning them to France.

No gimmicks, just results. If you break the law to enter this country, you will face being sent back.

When I say I will stop at nothing to secure our borders, I mean it.

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1953365337514148241

[Cherie]

The PM calling illegals illegal now

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
·
49m
We have detained the first illegal migrants under our new deal before returning them to France.

No gimmicks, just results. If you break the law to enter this country, you will face being sent back.

When I say I will stop at nothing to secure our borders, I mean it.

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1953365337514148241

thought all the illegals were MIA