Charlie Kirk assassinated at university event

[arista]

REMINDER: There was NO looting, NO riots, NO cars set on fire, and NO violence.

Just prayer and vigils.

We are not the left.

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Interesting post from the Libs of Tiktok.....


Bang on Right
CD

[Crimson Dynamo]

JUST IN: The Charlie Kirk Show has gone live. Charlie's seat at the table is there - and it's empty.

An absolutely crushing scene. All of them are holding back tears.

"Charlie would've wanted us to be here. He would've been upset if we weren't here. We've left his chair open and empty, because nobody could ever fill it."

https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/1966534423848927232/img/VLWcTgTtQufU1P-1.jpg:large

[Liam-]

And now the maga lunatics have suddenly changed their tune now that we know the murdered wasn’t some radical democrat minority, these people are so predictable

[arista]

And now the maga lunatics have suddenly changed their tune now that we know the murdered wasn’t some radical democrat minority, these people are so predictable

Sure
but he could asked Charlie him anything
no need to kill him

[bots]

REMINDER: There was NO looting, NO riots, NO cars set on fire, and NO violence.

Just prayer and vigils.

We are not the left.

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Interesting post from the Libs of Tiktok.....

let's forget Jan 6th

[Glenn.]

let's forget Jan 6th


Exactly

[GiRTh]

And now the maga lunatics have suddenly changed their tune now that we know the murdered wasn’t some radical democrat minority, these people are so predictableThis. :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s no mystery how Charlie Kirk’s murderer was conditioned to think conservatives are fascists.

This short MSM compilation will chill your bones...

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1966548716770206158?t=YDUe22NM2bI9KpLP9ngwDQ&s=19

[Livia]

It’s no mystery how Charlie Kirk’s murderer was conditioned to think conservatives are fascists.

This short MSM compilation will chill your bones...

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1966548716770206158?t=YDUe22NM2bI9KpLP9ngwDQ&s=19

You actually just need to read through this thread.

[Maru]

You actually just need to read through this thread.

Yeah... but bots isn't wrong about Jan 6th. There's questionable individuals on both sides lol.

[bots]

Trump on fox and friends said that the extreme left were the real danger in the country. That the extreme right were good people only concerned about the safety of the people. This is how history is re-written

[Maru]

This was released 3 (now 4) weeks ago, by the way... It's climbing faster in views. 4.4M yesterday, 4.8M today:

wKdFeZTnAK0

I'm sure this rap is really going to help to resolve all the problems we have.

Our children (hopefully) in later generations will look up hypocrisy in dictionary and next to the word, will be this video. I thought urban culture was supposed to be so terrible? But we're emulating it now? This is explicitly targeting young generations, that's the only reason one would make a video like this in this way..

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1966535403961274785?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Liam-]

Turns out the guy is possibly a Fuentes and Loomer fan who didn’t believe Kirk was conservative enough :skull:

[arista]

No Civil War
will happen

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1966535403961274785?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This rather tame attempt at a gotcha based on the murder of a father was attempted a few pages back. It helps If you keep up with the thread to avoid duplication

[Liam-]

B-b-but…

https://twitter.com/adamscochran/status/1966565367808991649?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

TMZ who when the news came through about Charlie's death and they were live all you can hear in the background is staff cheering

:skull:

[Scarlett.]

I commented about the terminally online on the first page and it seems that's relevant to this guy based on his bullet inscriptions. The lines are being blurred between what's real and what's not - everything is just a meme and it's like this is an extension of online trolling. You see it now with the reactions that people are trying to outdo each other in how edgy they can be in response, how they can showcase their indifference in the funniest manner. Actual human life is becoming devalued.

This guy shot dead a real person, deprived two kids of their Dad, and wrote it 'if you read this you're gay lmao' on the bullets - seriously?

I really dislike what meme culture has turned into, it used to just be silly dogs and cats and relatable silly stuff, it doesn't help also that you get The White House themselves making dehumanising memes about real people

[Glenn.]

Trump on fox and friends said that the extreme left were the real danger in the country. That the extreme right were good people only concerned about the safety of the people. This is how history is re-written

The President of the United States.

A figure whose job it is to keep the country united, spilling hatred and division on FOX news. And we wonder why people are so divided.

And he’s applauded for it by the same like minded people.

Zero self awareness, culty behaviour. Dangerous times.

[Glenn.]

i wonder what will happen if we find out that he is from the right

then what will people say

They will blame the left somehow

It’s no mystery how Charlie Kirk’s murderer was conditioned to think conservatives are fascists.

This short MSM compilation will chill your bones...

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1966548716770206158?t=YDUe22NM2bI9KpLP9ngwDQ&s=19


Told you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to see an acknowledgement that vast swathes of the MSM are leftists

We finally got there..

Hallelujah

[Maru]

1966591501548257667

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

What regimes do I support where being gay is illegal?

Not going to dignify that with an answer, you have shown your hand often enough

You didn't respond to the question about walking hand in hand down Whitechapel High Street, that is just one of numerous areas in the UK where you would not be welcome due to regimes you support, yet you are crying about some word pimp in the USA taking away your freedoms smh

[Shaun]

Keep seeing all sorts of wild conspiracy theories (as to be expected with any politically-motivated killing, I suppose) about how this was someone hired to take Kirk out for his vocal support of the Epstein files being leaked/released, Robinson is another Mangione (ie. a "set-up")... it's just so exhausting how whatever the truth is will be warped, denied, buried, exaggerated, fractured into 900,000 "my truths" that everyone of all sides will stick to whatever happens.

[GiRTh]

Initially, the focus was on blaming the left wing, but it has now been revealed that the shooter comes from a Republican background. His father, who works in law enforcement, even reported him. It's remarkable how the rhetoric has shifted. We've moved from discussions of retribution and revenge to merely offering thoughts and prayers for this troubled individual. What a messed-up political environment we have.

I see that AOC and other left-wing personalities are cancelling events. I don't blame them because a retaliation scenario might be emerging: one of you for one of us.

It's scary

[Maru]

Keep seeing all sorts of wild conspiracy theories (as to be expected with any politically-motivated killing, I suppose) about how this was someone hired to take Kirk out for his vocal support of the Epstein files being leaked/released, Robinson is another Mangione (ie. a "set-up")... it's just so exhausting how whatever the truth is will be warped, denied, buried, exaggerated, fractured into 900,000 "my truths" that everyone of all sides will stick to whatever happens.

A lot of it is just adrenaline, I think. It was the same after 9/11, Iraq, etc. The only difference is now we have social media that gives endless away dopamine hits and easy validation, so it could more easily go on for months if not longer...

[Maru]

I'm checking my FB that's only really connected to local stuff outside of work. I don't even have friends on it and I'm seeing so many company letterheads with firing/resignations...

[Vanessa]

I'm checking my FB that's only really connected to local stuff outside of work. I don't even have friends on it and I'm seeing so many company letterheads with firing/resignations...

Yes it's all over Twitter as well. Wow

[Mystic Mock]

I’m stunned by this. Nobody’s death should be celebrated, but I understand why some aren’t mourning him either.

Charlie Kirk had some abhorrent views, and as much as those views disgust me he has a right to have them and while others have a right to call them what they are and question him, nobody has a right to take another life.

I feel sorry for his family.

Charlie Kirk once said that we can’t let shooting victims emotionally hijack the narrative and so hopefully Trump follows through with his wishes and we can move on and let his family grieve in private without politicising Charlie’s death - because it’s absolutely what he wouldn’t want…

This.

[Mystic Mock]

let's forget Jan 6th

Too true tbf.

But I do think that we're letting Politics distract us from what's happened to a guy that was just speaking to a crowd of College Students.

And basically how there are now children without a Father.

[Mystic Mock]

Trump on fox and friends said that the extreme left were the real danger in the country. That the extreme right were good people only concerned about the safety of the people. This is how history is re-written

Trump's close to being right.

Extreme left and extreme right are bad views to hold imo, hence why they're called extreme.

[Mystic Mock]

I really dislike what meme culture has turned into, it used to just be silly dogs and cats and relatable silly stuff, it doesn't help also that you get The White House themselves making dehumanising memes about real people

Exactly! Scarlett.

[Glenn.]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250913/1f82ee06250f97eba4ba904a7121dd8b.jpg


“He was radicalised by the left”

[Crimson Dynamo]

By the far left, specifically Antifa

But also by the left wing MSM

sad but true

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0sVtYHXcAAM6Zt?format=jpg&name=small

The incident at Office Depot involved an employee refusing to print materials deemed
"negative" or "propaganda," reportedly fliers for a Charlie Kirk virgil event. The
company apologized, fired the associate, and reaffirmed their policies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0sXT8pW0AAe_Wx?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Glenn.]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250913/606908986b71a535ed99fa425d77968f.gif

[BBXX]

By the far left, specifically Antifa

But also by the left wing MSM

sad but true

Dunno about that. I’m not saying he wasn’t and I’m not suggesting there aren’t extremists on the left but this doesn’t seem more and more he’s actually further right than even Charlie Kirk.

We’ll see in time but his entire family was MAGA, he was raised around guns and there are suggestions he was a fan of a person who encouraged his followers to try and expose Charlie Kirk as a fake Conservative.

Of course some of this unconfirmed, hence why we’ll see in time, but it’s also not confirmed he was a radical leftist either.

So I ask, those who immediately turned this into a “this is what the left do” situation … what are you going to say if it does come out he’s was right-wing extremists? What will you say about all of those republications who literally raged war on the left when their narrative turns into “he was a deeply troubled young man, the likes of the dude in office who said he was “praying it was someone from another country” and the likes of this deeply unserious and confused woman:

https://i.ibb.co/hFWwTmB0/IMG-8742.jpg

It’s a great shame this was turned into a left vs right situation but when the leader of the free world’ emboldens it to create further divide and hatred, I guess it’s an inevitablity.

What a world.

[Ammi]

Keep seeing all sorts of wild conspiracy theories (as to be expected with any politically-motivated killing, I suppose) about how this was someone hired to take Kirk out for his vocal support of the Epstein files being leaked/released, Robinson is another Mangione (ie. a "set-up")... it's just so exhausting how whatever the truth is will be warped, denied, buried, exaggerated, fractured into 900,000 "my truths" that everyone of all sides will stick to whatever happens.

Initially, the focus was on blaming the left wing, but it has now been revealed that the shooter comes from a Republican background. His father, who works in law enforcement, even reported him. It's remarkable how the rhetoric has shifted. We've moved from discussions of retribution and revenge to merely offering thoughts and prayers for this troubled individual. What a messed-up political environment we have.

I see that AOC and other left-wing personalities are cancelling events. I don't blame them because a retaliation scenario might be emerging: one of you for one of us.

It's scary


…it really is extremely scary, obviously the violence in itself is terrifying but it’s no longer just that, it’s the ‘aftermath’ also that’s almost become ‘a game’…of online personalities…MTVN touched on it earlier in the thread and there almost feels like a ‘giddiness’ of creating narratives and then following the path of those creations regardless of whatever truths surround it all…the shock and horror of the taking of life(lives) becomes lost in a ‘tribal war’ of left/right, Republic/Democrat…and sadly in the US atm, there is a leader who is nurturing and encouraging that as well…many senators, after Charlie Kirk’s killing, expressed that this was a crime against a US citizen and Republics and Democrats should come together in their mutual horror …but sadly I’m realising, I think many of us are realising that, that isn’t the world so many want and so many encourage ….there is a thirst to live within the lawless Wild West of the internet and internet personas…it’s a scary time and a scary world and words of violence are more and more becoming actions of violence…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here is the video from Office depot with them refusing to print said poster:

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1966642343190110501

[Beso]

what are you going to say if it does come out he’s was right-wing extremists?



I'd expect some thanks from Glenn.

[joeysteele]

…it really is extremely scary, obviously the violence in itself is terrifying but it’s no longer just that, it’s the ‘aftermath’ also that’s almost become ‘a game’…of online personalities…MTVN touched on it earlier in the thread and there almost feels like a ‘giddiness’ of creating narratives and then following the path of those creations regardless of whatever truths surround it all…the shock and horror of the taking of life(lives) becomes lost in a ‘tribal war’ of left/right, Republic/Democrat…and sadly in the US atm, there is a leader who is nurturing and encouraging that as well…many senators, after Charlie Kirk’s killing, expressed that this was a crime against a US citizen and Republics and Democrats should come together in their mutual horror …but sadly I’m realising, I think many of us are realising that, that isn’t the world so many want and so many encourage ….there is a thirst to live within the lawless Wild West of the internet and internet personas…it’s a scary time and a scary world and words of violence are more and more becoming actions of violence…

This, all the way.
Excellent post.

[BBXX]

…it really is extremely scary, obviously the violence in itself is terrifying but it’s no longer just that, it’s the ‘aftermath’ also that’s almost become ‘a game’…of online personalities…MTVN touched on it earlier in the thread and there almost feels like a ‘giddiness’ of creating narratives and then following the path of those creations regardless of whatever truths surround it all…the shock and horror of the taking of life(lives) becomes lost in a ‘tribal war’ of left/right, Republic/Democrat…and sadly in the US atm, there is a leader who is nurturing and encouraging that as well…many senators, after Charlie Kirk’s killing, expressed that this was a crime against a US citizen and Republics and Democrats should come together in their mutual horror …but sadly I’m realising, I think many of us are realising that, that isn’t the world so many want and so many encourage ….there is a thirst to live within the lawless Wild West of the internet and internet personas…it’s a scary time and a scary world and words of violence are more and more becoming actions of violence…

:clap1: Spot on.

[Cherie]

…it really is extremely scary, obviously the violence in itself is terrifying but it’s no longer just that, it’s the ‘aftermath’ also that’s almost become ‘a game’…of online personalities…MTVN touched on it earlier in the thread and there almost feels like a ‘giddiness’ of creating narratives and then following the path of those creations regardless of whatever truths surround it all…the shock and horror of the taking of life(lives) becomes lost in a ‘tribal war’ of left/right, Republic/Democrat…and sadly in the US atm, there is a leader who is nurturing and encouraging that as well…many senators, after Charlie Kirk’s killing, expressed that this was a crime against a US citizen and Republics and Democrats should come together in their mutual horror …but sadly I’m realising, I think many of us are realising that, that isn’t the world so many want and so many encourage ….there is a thirst to live within the lawless Wild West of the internet and internet personas…it’s a scary time and a scary world and words of violence are more and more becoming actions of violence…

spot on Ammi

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just seeing the countless videos of left wing people gloating at his death has been horrific. There does seem to be a definite trend of young white women (probably who did some "arts" degree at uni)

It reminds me of this quote

https://img.ifunny.co/images/9de0e47a31666ac47314fa870641177fee9bea2df59aa757f2 15eb14a307d692_1.jpg

[Glenn.]

Yeah the women should know their place

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers Morgan last night aired a sick 50-second montage exposing TikTok users celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death.

Its sickening that people like this are among us

If you can stomach it video below

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1966568001752142291

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bluesky continues to be the very cradle of hate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0smaB5W0AAf9OB?format=jpg&name=small

[Maru]

…it really is extremely scary, obviously the violence in itself is terrifying but it’s no longer just that, it’s the ‘aftermath’ also that’s almost become ‘a game’…of online personalities…MTVN touched on it earlier in the thread and there almost feels like a ‘giddiness’ of creating narratives and then following the path of those creations regardless of whatever truths surround it all…the shock and horror of the taking of life(lives) becomes lost in a ‘tribal war’ of left/right, Republic/Democrat…and sadly in the US atm, there is a leader who is nurturing and encouraging that as well…many senators, after Charlie Kirk’s killing, expressed that this was a crime against a US citizen and Republics and Democrats should come together in their mutual horror …but sadly I’m realising, I think many of us are realising that, that isn’t the world so many want and so many encourage ….there is a thirst to live within the lawless Wild West of the internet and internet personas…it’s a scary time and a scary world and words of violence are more and more becoming actions of violence…

What you're describing is called "internet blood sports". People are just now finally getting a feel for what that really is and are starting to shift gears from how they interact (or at least their thinking..).

I think that Section 230 will get a closer look soon. They've been in talks of either amending it or repealing. It's hard to say what would happen, but one of the side effects of a repeal could be mean all online moderation goes away or the sites just simply close down because they can't afford the litigation...

Section 230 protects platforms from liability from all the horrible crap that gets posted online.

September 5th:

Hawley calls for repeal of tech legal shield as AI rises
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/hawley-calls-repeal-tech-legal-145104580.html

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) on Thursday called for the repeal of a law that shields major tech companies from lawsuits over content created on their platforms amid the rapid rise of artificial intelligence (AI).

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which provides tech firms with immunity from legal challenges over user-generated content, has increasingly come under pressure as society has grappled with the impacts of social media and, more recently, AI.

Hawley took aim at the training of AI models on copyrighted works Thursday, arguing the solution is to open up tech firms to legal liability.

Trump is in support of a full repeal.

It would have a dramatic effect on the rest of the world.

[Vanessa]

Now some are threatening to kill his children.
If that's not evil I don't know what is.

[Vanessa]

Piers Morgan last night aired a sick 50-second montage exposing TikTok users celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death.

Its sickening that people like this are among us

If you can stomach it video below

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1966568001752142291
I've seen a lot of people exposing it and a lot of them got fired for it:hehe:

[Liam-]

Lmao maga weirdos now doing cancel culture and getting people fired for saying things they don’t like, they really are the most easily offended hypocrites out there, something clearly happens to the brain when you drink the maga water that just turns it to mush

[BBXX]

It’s disgusting how vile humans can be.

[Vanessa]

Some of those teachers appear to have extreme views and they're teaching young impressionable minds.
The mind boggles.

[Maru]

Schatz on Kirk suspect’s politics: ‘What f—ing difference does it make’
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5501853-schatz-kirk-suspects-politics/

Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) on Friday urged the public not to focus on the political alignment of the suspected Charlie Kirk shooter but to focus on mental well-being instead.

“What ********** difference does it make if this murderer was left or right. Pull yourself together, read a book, get some exercise, have a whiskey or walk the dog or make some pasta or go fishing or just do anything other than let this algo pickle your brain and ruin your soul,” Schatz posted on the social platform X.

He later quoted a post from Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R), who referred to social media as a “cancer.”

“I know this guy is a Republican and all but I swear you could win all the electoral votes with this message in 28,” Schatz wrote in a follow up post on X.

However, Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-Fla.) condemned divisive statements blaming either party for recent threats against elected officials.

“If the left is going to blame the right, and the right is going to blame the left, and we’re going to continue to say ‘It’s your fault,’ and we’re not collectively going to try to bring it down together, then this cycle is just going to continue to go on,” he told Fox News Digital.

[Livia]

Here is the video from Office depot with them refusing to print said poster:

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1966642343190110501

Minimum wage in a print shop, never had any kind of status before but now, I'm the manager.... Have fun with no job.

[Oliver_W]

Lmao maga weirdos now doing cancel culture and getting people fired for saying things they don’t like

Consequence Culture :nono:

[Cherie]

Schatz on Kirk suspect’s politics: ‘What f—ing difference does it make’
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5501853-schatz-kirk-suspects-politics/

How right he is, two families devastated for what?

[Livia]

Imagine killing people for their opinions. Imagine trying to justify that and calling people Nazi when the last time that sh!t flew was 1930s Germany.

[Livia]

Nice to see the vigil in London last night.

[Vanessa]

Imagine killing people for their opinions. Imagine trying to justify that and calling people Nazi when the last time that sh!t flew was 1930s Germany.

Yes this rhetoric is getting people killed. It should be a criminal offence.

[Liam-]

Yes this rhetoric is getting people killed. It should be a criminal offence.

Ah, so you want to attend the racist ‘free speech’ rally, yet you also want to criminalise people having opinions you don’t like against the racists you support? A prime example of the hypocrisy of the right in full action

[Vanessa]

Ah, so you want to attend the racist ‘free speech’ rally, yet you also want to criminalise people having opinions you don’t like against the racists you support? You’ve gone mad

Calling people Nazi and saying you want to kill them.
Yes it should be a criminal offence.
And it's not q racist rally, it's a patriots rally against that twat Starmer.

[Livia]

Yes this rhetoric is getting people killed. It should be a criminal offence.

Yes. Making death threats is against the law. Let them say what they want, let them hold any opinions they choose. But once you've called for someone's death because they think differently, throw them in jail. I would expect that to apply equally across the political spectrum.

[Vanessa]

One thing is having an opinion, which is fine. Another thing is saying you want someone dead.
That's hate speech and I'm pretty sure it's not ok.

[Livia]

One thing is having an opinion, which is fine. Another thing is saying you want someone dead.
That's hate speech and I'm pretty sure it's not ok.

The Left just don't get it, Ness.

[Vanessa]

Yes. Making death threats is against the law. Let them say what they want, let them hold any opinions they choose. But once you've called for someone's death because they think differently, throw them in jail. I would expect that to apply equally across the political spectrum.

Exactly. Free speech doesn't mean we can wish someone dead. Really hope the FBI is keeping an eye to social media.

[Vanessa]

There are people I don't like, but I would never wish them dead.
I can't believe some people think it's ok.

[Liam-]

Calling people Nazi and saying you want to kill them.
Yes it should be a criminal offence.
And it's not q racist rally, it's a patriots rally against that twat Starmer.

You want to criminalise speech you don’t like because it offends you and the racists you admire, that’s your stance just stand by it, calling for someone’s death is already against the law, it’s why your pal Lucy was sent to prison, when people like you say she shouldn’t have been, so it’s good to know you agree she deserved that.

Calling a Nazi a Nazi is protected speech because the truth is sacred, if you don’t want your pals called Nazis, stop supporting Nazis.

This rally is a bunch of pissed up thugs that have been whipped into a frenzy by people like Charlie Kirk who have radicalised morons into believing white people are under attack, they’re not patriots, they’re braindead knuckle draggers who are just angry that brown people and minorities aren’t treated like second class citizens anymore

[Liam-]

Yes. Making death threats is against the law. Let them say what they want, let them hold any opinions they choose. But once you've called for someone's death because they think differently, throw them in jail. I would expect that to apply equally across the political spectrum.

One thing is having an opinion, which is fine. Another thing is saying you want someone dead.
That's hate speech and I'm pretty sure it's not ok.

The Left just don't get it, Ness.

Exactly. Free speech doesn't mean we can wish someone dead. Really hope the FBI is keeping an eye to social media.

So Lucy Connelly deserved to go to prison then, very glad we eventually got to the bottoms of that debate in the end.

[Livia]

There are people I don't like, but I would never wish them dead.
I can't believe some people think it's ok.

No, that's very much a Leftist thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nice to see the vigil in London last night.

They are having a vigil in the valley tonight

[Liam-]

Typical of the far right, ignore facts and reality because it doesn’t suit their agendas, I feel sorry for them really, it must be hard having all that hatred burning inside of them

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are people I don't like, but I would never wish them dead.
I can't believe some people think it's ok.

Well said Ness

[Glenn.]

Typical of the far right, ignore facts and reality because it doesn’t suit their agendas, I feel sorry for them really, it must be hard having all that hatred burning inside of them


The right aren’t interested in facts. I don’t feel sorry for them.

They’ll be the death of us all.

[Livia]

They are having a vigil in the valley tonight

Gives me hope that the whole world isn't descending into a nightmare.

[Liam-]

The right aren’t interested in facts. I don’t feel sorry for them.

They’ll be the death of us all.

There’s got to be something wrong with them for them to be constantly taken in and manipulated by conmen like Farage, Robinson and Trump, something deeply lacking from within, it’s the biggest mental health crisis the world faces imo, but unfortunately it affects everybody else around them far too much by the time they see the light, it’s a scary time to live in as a minority

[Glenn.]

There’s got to be something wrong with them for them to be constantly taken in and manipulated by conmen like Farage, Robinson and Trump, something deeply lacking from within, it’s the biggest mental health crisis the world faces imo, but unfortunately it affects everybody else around them far too much by the time they see the light, it’s a scary time to live in as a minority


Notice how the faux outrage has died down now they know the shooter wasn’t left wing, like the majority of shooters. Notice the extinguishing flow of tweets being posted from the right wing calling for war.

They believe what they want to believe. They aren’t capable of dealing in facts. Facts don’t lie.

[Beso]

The media does though
History has proven that.

[Liam-]

But of course the left is responsible for every and all glorification of violence

https://twitter.com/_rotimia/status/1966662621072851265?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Liam-]

Notice how the faux outrage has died down now they know the shooter wasn’t left wing, like the majority of shooters. Notice the extinguishing flow of tweets being posted from the right wing calling for war.

They believe what they want to believe. They aren’t capable of dealing in facts. Facts don’t lie.

Thoughts, prayers and understanding for straight white criminals, death, destruction and hatred for anybody else, it’s the far rights way

[Cherie]

Can someone explain why being from the right or the left is relevant, a man is dead because someone didn't like his opinions....is that correct or no?

[Livia]

Can someone explain why being from the right or the left is relevant, a man is dead because someone didn't like his opinions....is that correct or no?

That is correct. Killed for his.opinions, his death celebrated by marginal, stupid people.

[Vanessa]

I'm neither left or right. I'm just upset a man was shot and killed in front of his small children.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Notice how the faux outrage has died down now they know the shooter wasn’t left wing

oh dear

Charlie Kirk assassin was “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology” and lived with his TRANSGENDER partner.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox revealed preliminary investigations found Robinson’s political ideology “very clear to us and to the investigators” and that he was “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.”

It has also been revealed by Fox News reporter
brookeSingman
that he had been living with his transgender partner, a male who identifies as female.

Robinson fired the fatal shot at Kirk just seconds after Kirk spoke about trans mass shooters.

Source: NY Post/ Fox News

[Beso]

Poopcorn anyone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ycnmiu

[Maru]

So I noticed something fun about FB... when I go to just normal posts and groups, the messages people are leaving—surprise—are sane reactions or side commentary adjacent to the state of the world and what had happened, etc. There's nothing stigmatized about it. It's very expected. Not a single lunatic to be found.

However, the gamer/anime pages... I have been noticing this as a predictable trend for quite some time. (They keep popping up in my feed even though I click them away :shrug:)

Mystic Mock

Today this one pops up:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FVAq9fALS/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGWd0G8/76075.jpg

Spoilering for your Occupational Therapist:

At this point I'm questioning their intelligence level. It's been a few years, but the human on the bottom right is very much the "good guy" for what I guess would be called today the "disenfranchised". His whole entire adventure is based around him more or less fighting tyranny and oppression without going corrupt himself. It being a Japanese game (97'), I'm fairly certain they weren't thinking at all about gendered race wars and other pedantic culture war **** while it was being developed.

This isn't an actual quote in the game, but I just find it so ironic some are so very concerned about the misuse of words and misconstrued logic. And yet it's becoming increasingly clear to me the people largely driving this crap are dumbasses who spend way too much time in their basement modifying reality to nurse a unique martyr complex loosely based around some political agenda. Imagine taking a decades old game and trying to make it fit within the scope of today's politics. If you're a historian today, how do you wrap your head around this phenomenon?

The pages with normal hobbies and topics are not attracting this behavior. However, go to the anime & game-y pages and they all seem to be no go zones because they're full of propaganda and people with weird behavioral complexes reacting in a butthurt manner. Are these people just spending that much time consuming media that their brains are warped? Is this why they're so stupid??

The problem with the algorithms is that they're shoving this crap at everyone despite whatever their purpose of being on that website actually is.

It's the exact same on X but from the other end of the political spectrum. It's clear those people consume way too much news and are constantly looking for details and information to twist and turn into some kind of culture war garbage. It's no wonder why some people are being "radicalized" if they're rapidly being exposed to these divisions in this way within minutes of logging in daily. Especially when it's targeting our young.

In the late 90s when computers/internet usage was coming into wide use, we banned chatrooms and chatservers over liability problems because the terminally online crazies took them over and behaved in the same sociopathic ways: doxing, abusive posts, stalking, harassment campaigns, etc. This became untenable and because they became a breeding ground for abuse and a safety issue for children, they were closed. Now we let these elements dictate and manage the political discourse around our most precious institutions. Is it really a surprise we've gone the way we have with this at the helm?

I'm thinking I'll check and see what is going on with legislation. Maybe even write and suggest changes, because as it is platforms are incentivized to cater to internet addiction. While we can't do anything about stupidity, we really should think about how we can go about preventing it from having such an outsized influence on our political discourse.


Maybe there's some perfect solution to be had for many of the topics at the forefront.. but I wouldn't know that as a casual observer, because the system as it's currently designed solely caters to appeasing and keeping amused the most gullible and socially bereft in our society. (Sorry for the language, but just trying to get my actual sentiment across)

[Maru]

This flew under the radar I think for a lot of people. What a waste...:

DC Cancels ‘Red Hood’ Comic Book Series After Writer Shares Inflammatory Post Following Charlie Kirk Shooting
Gretchen Felker-Martin was behind the title, which DC said would be pulled: "Posts or public comments that can be viewed as promoting hostility or violence are inconsistent with DC’s standards of conduct."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/dc-cancels-red-hood-comic-book-series-charlie-kirk-1236368576/

DC has shelved its Red Hood comic book series following writer Gretchen Felker-Martin sharing posts on Bluesky that joked about the shooting of Charlie Kirk, who was killed by an assassin’s bullet Wednesday.

[bots]

So I noticed something fun about FB... when I go to just normal posts and groups, the messages people are leaving—surprise—are sane reactions or side commentary adjacent to the state of the world and what had happened, etc. There's nothing stigmatized about it. It's very expected. Not a single lunatic to be found.

However, the gamer/anime pages... I have been noticing this a predictable trend for quite some time. (They keep popping up in my feed even though I click them away :shrug:)

Mystic Mock

Today this one pops up:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FVAq9fALS/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGWd0G8/76075.jpg

Spoilering for your Occupational Therapist:

At this point I'm questioning their intelligence level. It's been a few years, but the human on the bottom right is very much the "good guy" for what I guess would be called today the "disenfranchised". His whole entire adventure is based around him more or less fighting tyranny and oppression without going corrupt himself. It being a Japanese game (97'), I'm fairly certain they weren't thinking at all about gendered race wars and other pedantic culture war **** while it was being developed.

This isn't an actual quote in the game, but I just find it so ironic some are so very concerned about the misuse of words and misconstrued logic. And yet it's becoming increasingly clear to me the people largely driving this crap are dumbasses who spend way too much time in their basement modifying reality to nurse a unique martyr complex loosely based around some political agenda. Imagine taking a decades old game and trying to make it fit within the scope of today's politics. If you're a historian today, how do you wrap your head around this phenomenon?

The pages with normal hobbies and topics are not attracting this behavior. However, go to the anime & game-y pages and they all seem to be no go zones because full of propaganda and people with weird behavioral complexes reacting in a butthurt manner. Are these people just spend way that much time consuming media that their brains are warped? Is this why they're so stupid??

The problem with the algorithms is that they're shoving this crap at everyone despite whatever their purpose of being on that website actually is.

It's the exact same on X but from the other end of the political spectrum. It's clear those people consume way too much news and are constantly looking for details and information to twist and turn into some kind of culture war garbage. It's no wonder people why some are being "radicalized" if they're rapidly being exposed to these divisions within minutes of logging in this way daily. Especially when it's targeting our young.

In the late 90s when computers/internet usage was coming into wide use, we banned chatrooms and chatservers over liability problems because the terminally online crazies took them over and behaved in the same sociopathic ways: doxing, abusive posts, stalking, harassment campaigns, etc. This became untenable and because they became a breeding ground for abuse and a safety issue for children, they were closed. Now we let these elements dictate and manage the political discourse around our most precious institutions. Is it really a surprise we've gone the way we have with this at the helm?

I'm thinking I'll check and see what is going on with legislation. Maybe even write and suggest changes, because as it is platforms are incentivized to cater to internet addiction. While we can't do anything about stupidity, we really should think about how we can go about preventing it from having such an outsized influence on our political discourse.


Maybe there's some perfect solution to be had for many of the topics at the forefront.. but I wouldn't know that as a casual observer, because the system as it's currently designed solely caters to appeasing and keeping amused the most gullible and socially bereft in our society. (Sorry for the language, but just trying to get my actual sentiment across)

google and MS have been directing attention in the direction they want for decades now. If you look at any recent google or MS product announcements for any product, they are 100% cringe fests (at least to me) I can't believe that they resonate with american viewers either

[Maru]

google and MS have been directing attention in the direction they want for decades now. If you look at any recent google or MS product announcements for any product, they are 100% cringe fests (at least to me) I can't believe that they resonate with american viewers either

I've written before that Americans have had (historically) a strong herd mentality relationship with our media, so it's very hard to break that pattern... even if the crap we're reading doesn't make any sense and it's causing all kinds of psychological stress...

I really do think that is starting to break.

[emseateng2014]

which means the meltdowns from the right wing media begins

as in the right wanting to take on the left

Told you

[Crimson Dynamo]

spiked
Spikedonline
·
Sep 12
Trans activists are celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. Some are calling it a
‘revolutionary’ act. Some hope JK Rowling will be next. We can deny it no
longer: transgenderism is a dangerously violent and misogynistic cult, says
Brendan O’Neill

[Crimson Dynamo]

Typical of the far right, ignore facts and reality because it doesn’t suit their agendas, I feel sorry for them really, it must be hard having all that hatred burning inside of them

The right aren’t interested in facts. I don’t feel sorry for them.

They’ll be the death of us all.

https://media.tenor.com/CorE0STEj_8AAAAM/ponke-ponkesol.gif

just puting the light off on the thread

sleep tight folks...

: o/

[Cherie]

https://media.tenor.com/CorE0STEj_8AAAAM/ponke-ponkesol.gif

just puting the light off on the thread

sleep tight folks...

: o/

Im apparently obsessed with these two...the most beige people ever

yeah get that deleted...:cheer2:

[Maru]

Table at University of Washington, Seattle

1966719601070264590

If you're curious how college students act in the US, this is much more typical. The internet distorts everything.

[emseateng2014]

after what happened to charlie i red that ben sharpio will never ever do an outdoor event ever again and will only do indoor events with super tight security like airports after 9 11 style at his events which is a good thing

[Maru]

after what happened to charlie i red that ben sharpio will never ever do an outdoor event ever again and will only do indoor events with super tight security like airports after 9 11 style at his events which is a good thing

Yes, that would be very wise. I think most of his were always indoor. Those type of events are usually at night when most classes are finished, aside from the table-style events. He was already accustomed to needing security with all the death threats he receives on a daily basis given he is a Jew... it's sad that it has to be like that.

[caprimint]

What ever happened to common decency...? The biggest irony of all this is that every time some violent hate crime happens, the majority of the time it never comes from Trump's side/or his supporters. The other side celebrate a human being's death (in this case it being an iconic commentator, a husband, a father and a son), they view Trump & his allies as being the most terrible people to exist, yet do they not ever notice the way they behave?

Charlie Kirk received hate from these people for being a powerful, strong-willed and opinionated man who they simply disagreed with and couldn't stand it. I definitely don't agree with everything he stood for either, but what happened to him was an absolute tragedy.

[emseateng2014]

oh man the news articles about charlie kirk in the us sports section on daily mail are mind boggling like how there are some articles about the some of the sports peeps celebrating charlies death and at the same time a lot of peeps in the sports world getting fired let go suspended and or getting critisized over those celebrations

and oh yah i also saw the articles about the republican sports peeps posting charlie kirk stuff

[arista]

Piers Morgan last night aired a sick 50-second montage exposing TikTok users celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death.

Its sickening that people like this are among us

If you can stomach it video below

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1966568001752142291


Yes Tragic Left Wingers

[arista]

oh man the news articles about charlie kirk in the us sports section on daily mail are mind boggling like how there are some articles about the some of the sports peeps celebrating charlies death and at the same time a lot of peeps in the sports world getting fired let go suspended and or getting critisized over those celebrations

and oh yah i also saw the articles about the republican sports peeps posting charlie kirk stuff


Not really
As Charlie Kirk was all about going to events
With full recordings stacked up.

[Ammi]

…just to add balance with regards to some comments made by George Abaraonye, the Oxford student president…this is a positive article regarding Cambridge and their meeting with Charlie Kirk…there are always so many things and aspects and layers that can all have truth at the same time even when we’re completely opposed in some views and mindsets…and we’re so often used to only reading those ‘picked out’ bits that are agenda driven to people’s leanings…so it’s good to see these articles that less invest themselves in ‘divide’ and just focusing on things that encourage that divide…



Students who debated with Charlie Kirk mourn his death…

Four months ago, Charlie Kirk debated with students at the University of Cambridge on views including abortion, women's rights and religion. On Wednesday, the 31-year-old right-wing American activist was fatally shot while speaking on stage in Utah. While these students disagreed with many of his views, they have unequivocally condemned the shooting and recognised his commitment to peaceful debate.


In May, Kirk was invited to the Cambridge Union for a question and answer debate event.
Sammy McDonald was the last student due to debate with him, and the US support of Israel's campaign in Gaza was a focal point of their discussion.
The History student told the BBC: "Nothing - political or otherwise - can ever justify such a horrendous act or the ruination of the lives of those close to him.
"Political disagreement cannot be, and must never be, a death sentence.
"Even in deeply polarised times, we must never lose sight of our humanity and our respect for the sanctity of all human life."

He said while Kirk was someone he "profoundly" disagreed with, he respected his commitment to the power of debate.
"We both recognised that the ability to debate ideas freely, to speak your mind without fear of violence is what distinguished democracy from tyranny and is the foundation on which the American republic and the liberal tradition is built."
Referencing the deaths of MPs Jo Cox (Labour) and Sir David Amess (Conservative), he said young people were growing up in a world "sullied by increasing political violence and poisoned political discourse".
"One of the most surprising experiences from my encounter with Kirk was the magnanimity and generosity of his many supporters, who were willing to talk to me, listen to me and acknowledge peaceful disagreement, even changing our preconceptions about each other."

Kai Bevan, 20, a third-year medical student, debated with Kirk over his views on abortion.
"Never in a million years would I have thought something like that would happen.
"We had our differences, but the expression of those kinds of views should never entail a death sentence. I was mortified."
He said others he had spoken to have been similarly "shocked" at the incident.
"What affects me most is the fact that someone who, in a non-violent way, goes to college campuses and expresses his views - yes he's known to be inflammatory, but he's not known to incite violence or physical harm or suffering - and for someone who just does that to lose their life really warrants self-reflection as a society."

When Archie Mackintosh opened his question for Kirk, he admitted he was a "little nervous".
"There's a real chance I could wake up tomorrow front page of YouTube: 'Charlie Kirk owns manbun idiot with facts and logistics'," he said.
Kirk jokingly suggested an alternative: "Destroys."
The 23-year-old from Norfolk exchanged opinions on marriage and society generally. He said he had yet to process Kirk's death.
"Despite the fact that I disagree with a lot of his opinions, maybe most of them, he was generally so driven about trying to make the world a better place in his eyes."
Inflicting violence on someone you think is spreading harmful rhetoric, "will only turn them into a hero", he added.
"I think it will make people think, 'Wow', they were speaking so much truth that they had to be silenced.
"Even if you're 100% convinced that everything someone is saying will contribute negatively to the world, trying to silence them is not going to work."

Tilly Middlehurst, wearing a knitted cream jumper stitched with the stars and stripes of the United States, asked Kirk about religion, his views on the changing roles of women in society, and what defined a woman.
"I'm a feminist," she said, in opening her question.
She shared her thoughts following his death with her 91,100 followers on Instagram, external, and said it had left her "shaken and disgusted".
"Regardless of how you feel about Kirk, about violence, about politics, this was disastrous," she said.
Speaking to the BBC, she said this is not what politics "should look like".
"Political violence like this affects all of us, it doesn't just affect the people that you disagree with.
"This isn't a step in the right direction. This is fighting fascism."

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0xFua-WwAE4HG_?format=jpg&name=360x360https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0xFua5WoAAIFVY?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Maru]

What ever happened to common decency...? The biggest irony of all this is that every time some violent hate crime happens, the majority of the time it never comes from Trump's side/or his supporters. The other side celebrate a human being's death (in this case it being an iconic commentator, a husband, a father and a son), they view Trump & his allies as being the most terrible people to exist, yet do they not ever notice the way they behave?

Charlie Kirk received hate from these people for being a powerful, strong-willed and opinionated man who they simply disagreed with and couldn't stand it. I definitely don't agree with everything he stood for either, but what happened to him was an absolute tragedy.

He was killed for his words having too much power more than just being opinionated, though I understood that's probably what you meant.


The rest of this is on topic;

Also, everyone's Occupational Therapist left me a voicemail again, so I've spoilered this to save your fingers:

I didn't understand him that well. I don't think others around me followed him that closely either, but we all understand the meaning behind being willing to sit at the table to have that conversation in this country. People are upset about what has happened. So many have been upset. I think this is more likely than not to have the complete reverse effect of what they've intended. Yes, there may be some incidents after, but this is going to change how we all approach our own politics in this country. Especially now that people are more encouraged now more than ever to do some basic research before having the thought of "HMMM, is killing this person JUSTIFIED?"... because that is the slope we are on and it's starting to feel slippier...

And they'd better stop listening to the idiots who call for things, because it very well could be anyone that gets called... imagine any one of us had written something that gets misconstrued or we had been involved an incident where only a few seconds of footage is spread.. people think they're safe because they covet certain views, but that's certainly not true. It would take very little for their lives to be turned upside down based on a lie. A mob doesn't discriminate, no matter what it may look like to us online, there won't be any 'sides' when it kicks off...

What boggles my mind is our politicians are aware of this. Law enforcement are absolutely aware of this. If the mob thinks something needs to be justified, they'll come for anyone. It's just that people are so used to seeing people like civil servants, our politicians, our police officers, election workers, social workers, etc being dehumanized. One side or the other may say they support police. No one supports the police when they're pissed off enough and the politicians are usually first in line for have calls for their heads. People had said Bush should be assassinated were common enough during the Iraq War and it came from both sides: the "war crimes" crowd and the people upset about the Patriot Act. When I walked around DC during the Obama-era, I used to signage to that effect and also posters with politicians and other figures with crosshairs over their faces...

So that should give us an impression of just how unserious these people were about their own rhetoric and when listening to any of these figures, it's best to give it a grain of salt. I listened yesterday to Ben Shapiro he ever expected they or people like him were actually in danger(?) in America. Mind-boggling. Hopefully that forces some people to think carefully about where we go from here because now we've seen how far this can actually go, but I'm not very hopeful...

I wouldn't trust the right-leaning figures are being wholly honest either because we've seen when violence goes off in the public, what their reactions are... imagine covering major riots and political scenarios in troubled cities where they are claiming things are at a level that are serious enough to call the National Guard (some of what I don't disagree with because of current police dept levels being trash) and how attacks on civil servants like LEOs are unjustified.. then saying in the same breath they didn't think the political environment was bad enough they were in danger... that should tell us something about what they actually believe...

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Timestamp: S: https://youtu.be/E24_2dyPr0Q?si=lZPeJfPRRnbxMwDH&t=630

This thinking was troubling...

"What are you most afraid of?"
"I think I'm most afraid that America won't utilize Charlie Kirk's death in the correct way."

You know, because lives can just be casually "utilized". There's a reason we call deaths "senseless".

...

As this man says, it comes down to being "raised right". And I'm feel so very glad and blessed that I didn't fall into this thinking myself, so I supposed I was "raised right"...

So, he had made CK a pizza and probably gave one of the best slow roasts of a response to people melting down over what was just a gesture of kindness that I'd ever seen. And it was delivered perfectly:

WT1IwZBvO90

He sounds a lot like my neighbor. I had to check outside to see if he had moved... same exact energy. He rides through the block and the neighborhood on his motorcycle very brightly lit up, usually with two giant flags: American & Mexican and his speakers going... and he alternates between Tejano music (& Michael Jackson songs (he's a big MJ fan). But for a while on Thursdays, he used to run a Tejano/DJ station and he would put his own playlist out to other people and talk over it... or maybe he was just recording, but whatever the case, I enjoy his music and his bike rides... just hearing them outside my window and seeing them makes me feel happier.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING:

The German football team Borussia Dortmund is starting “an internal process” against its devout Christian player Felix Nmecha for having expressed sympathy on his social media accounts to Charlie Kirk’s family and writing that celebrating someone’s murder is “truly evil.”

His 2 stories on Instagram read:

“May the Lord be with the Kirk family with special grace during this time. Jesus is the true way to peace and love.”

“Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Celebrating the murder of a double father, a husband, and a man who peacefully stood for his convictions and values is truly evil and shows how much we need Christ. May God have mercy and open our eyes and hearts, in Jesus’ name.”

The responsible figures at Borussia Dortmund, including CEO Aki Watzke, are set to represent the German Football Association (DFB) at the 2026 FIFA World Cup in the USA.

German conservatives are calling for Donald Trump not to let them into the country if they continue to persecute Felix Nmecha for writing condolences to the family of a fellow Christian who was murdered for his political and Christian beliefs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0zYjXYWEAA-ijn?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

-Tyler Robinson’s neighbor being interviewed…

You can tell the Media does not want him saying Tyler and Lance Twiggs were a couple.

But he said…

"Random guys don’t hold hand and they definitely don’t kiss."

That stopped further questions on that topic...


Video of interview - https://x.com/C_3C_3/status/1967065753716486616

[Mystic Mock]

Dunno about that. I’m not saying he wasn’t and I’m not suggesting there aren’t extremists on the left but this doesn’t seem more and more he’s actually further right than even Charlie Kirk.

We’ll see in time but his entire family was MAGA, he was raised around guns and there are suggestions he was a fan of a person who encouraged his followers to try and expose Charlie Kirk as a fake Conservative.

Of course some of this unconfirmed, hence why we’ll see in time, but it’s also not confirmed he was a radical leftist either.

So I ask, those who immediately turned this into a “this is what the left do” situation … what are you going to say if it does come out he’s was right-wing extremists? What will you say about all of those republications who literally raged war on the left when their narrative turns into “he was a deeply troubled young man, the likes of the dude in office who said he was “praying it was someone from another country” and the likes of this deeply unserious and confused woman:

https://i.ibb.co/hFWwTmB0/IMG-8742.jpg

It’s a great shame this was turned into a left vs right situation but when the leader of the free world’ emboldens it to create further divide and hatred, I guess it’s an inevitablity.

What a world.

That woman is insane.:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah the women should know their place

I mean tbf, LT's not making it up.

I have seen a fair amount of women on Twitter myself (I think that they're in their early 20's,) cheering about Charlie Kirk's death.

That's been my experience of it so far anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Bluesky continues to be the very cradle of hate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0smaB5W0AAf9OB?format=jpg&name=small

I think that someone needs to question the parenting skills of Raven Samuelson's parents, because what a horrible person they appear to be.:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

Lmao maga weirdos now doing cancel culture and getting people fired for saying things they don’t like, they really are the most easily offended hypocrites out there, something clearly happens to the brain when you drink the maga water that just turns it to mush

They're cheering someone being murdered tbf.

That can't be the norm in any society.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes this rhetoric is getting people killed. It should be a criminal offence.

I think that would be hard to enforce Vanessa.

Plus I'm not sure that I personally feel comfortable with silencing people's opinions on things like that, because there are people with Nazi views to this very day.

[Mystic Mock]

So I noticed something fun about FB... when I go to just normal posts and groups, the messages people are leaving—surprise—are sane reactions or side commentary adjacent to the state of the world and what had happened, etc. There's nothing stigmatized about it. It's very expected. Not a single lunatic to be found.

However, the gamer/anime pages... I have been noticing this as a predictable trend for quite some time. (They keep popping up in my feed even though I click them away :shrug:)

Mystic Mock

Today this one pops up:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FVAq9fALS/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGWd0G8/76075.jpg

Spoilering for your Occupational Therapist:

At this point I'm questioning their intelligence level. It's been a few years, but the human on the bottom right is very much the "good guy" for what I guess would be called today the "disenfranchised". His whole entire adventure is based around him more or less fighting tyranny and oppression without going corrupt himself. It being a Japanese game (97'), I'm fairly certain they weren't thinking at all about gendered race wars and other pedantic culture war **** while it was being developed.

This isn't an actual quote in the game, but I just find it so ironic some are so very concerned about the misuse of words and misconstrued logic. And yet it's becoming increasingly clear to me the people largely driving this crap are dumbasses who spend way too much time in their basement modifying reality to nurse a unique martyr complex loosely based around some political agenda. Imagine taking a decades old game and trying to make it fit within the scope of today's politics. If you're a historian today, how do you wrap your head around this phenomenon?

The pages with normal hobbies and topics are not attracting this behavior. However, go to the anime & game-y pages and they all seem to be no go zones because they're full of propaganda and people with weird behavioral complexes reacting in a butthurt manner. Are these people just spending that much time consuming media that their brains are warped? Is this why they're so stupid??

The problem with the algorithms is that they're shoving this crap at everyone despite whatever their purpose of being on that website actually is.

It's the exact same on X but from the other end of the political spectrum. It's clear those people consume way too much news and are constantly looking for details and information to twist and turn into some kind of culture war garbage. It's no wonder why some people are being "radicalized" if they're rapidly being exposed to these divisions in this way within minutes of logging in daily. Especially when it's targeting our young.

In the late 90s when computers/internet usage was coming into wide use, we banned chatrooms and chatservers over liability problems because the terminally online crazies took them over and behaved in the same sociopathic ways: doxing, abusive posts, stalking, harassment campaigns, etc. This became untenable and because they became a breeding ground for abuse and a safety issue for children, they were closed. Now we let these elements dictate and manage the political discourse around our most precious institutions. Is it really a surprise we've gone the way we have with this at the helm?

I'm thinking I'll check and see what is going on with legislation. Maybe even write and suggest changes, because as it is platforms are incentivized to cater to internet addiction. While we can't do anything about stupidity, we really should think about how we can go about preventing it from having such an outsized influence on our political discourse.


Maybe there's some perfect solution to be had for many of the topics at the forefront.. but I wouldn't know that as a casual observer, because the system as it's currently designed solely caters to appeasing and keeping amused the most gullible and socially bereft in our society. (Sorry for the language, but just trying to get my actual sentiment across)

This is certainly disturbing, Maru.

These people need help.

[emseateng2014]

on https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/us/index.html it has articles about the aftermath of charlie kirks assassination and oh man there are some about how usa is somewhat in a way dividing

[emseateng2014]

i wonder if right wing media saw that tweet and imagine there reactions

I think that someone needs to question the parenting skills of Raven Samuelson's parents, because what a horrible person they appear to be.:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

i wonder if right wing media saw that tweet and imagine there reactions

Tbh, I would dread to think what the more mentally unwell side of right wing media might encourage, if they saw that Bluesky post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Utah Governor says Tyler Robinson: “has not confessed to authorities. He is not cooperating…”

Everyone else is cooperating and working with law enforcement.

“We can confirm that his roommate was a boyfriend, who is transitioning from male to female.” (Obviously this is bollocks as you biologically cant, he was pretending to)

video is here: https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1967237225198014469

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING - A Canadian teacher has been suspended after forcing a class full of
10-year-olds to watch the video of Charlie Kirk's assassination, over and over
again, while ranting about "fascism."


This leftist mind virus in North America is out of control

video - https://x.com/ThePatriotOasis/status/1967229969391878447

[Crimson Dynamo]

Charlie Kirk assassin had fixation with LGBTQI+ Furries and had transgender boyfriend who proclaimed support for Biden.

Tyler Robinson frequented a furry website and was living with his transgender boyfriend who was "transitioning from male to female." (impossible)

Robinson’s trans boyfriend Lance Twiggs who changed his name to ‘Luna’ on an online gaming website last year, also said he had been targetted with online ads for schizophrenia medication.

“I have been getting recommended treatments for schizophrenia, bpd, and a brain tumor recently by my social media advertisements. this meme is perfect, thanks.”

Twiggs also appeared to express support for Biden in 2022 saying “We are riding with Biden on this glorious subreddit.”

The new information comes after authorities said the casing from the bullet used to assasinate Charlie Kirk had an LGBTQI+ furries inscription.

Source: NY Post

[Maru]

Charlie Kirk assassin had fixation with LGBTQI+ Furries and had transgender boyfriend who proclaimed support for Biden.

Tyler Robinson frequented a furry website and was living with his transgender boyfriend who was "transitioning from male to female." (impossible)

Robinson’s trans boyfriend Lance Twiggs who changed his name to ‘Luna’ on an online gaming website last year, also said he had been targetted with online ads for schizophrenia medication.

“I have been getting recommended treatments for schizophrenia, bpd, and a brain tumor recently by my social media advertisements. this meme is perfect, thanks.”

Twiggs also appeared to express support for Biden in 2022 saying “We are riding with Biden on this glorious subreddit.”

The new information comes after authorities said the casing from the bullet used to assasinate Charlie Kirk had an LGBTQI+ furries inscription.

Source: NY Post

He has a Furfinity account. That's more than definitive. :joker:

CD, I don't even think you realize the can of worms that is about to open up from this...

[Glenn.]

So what’s the angle now then guys to the right? The shooters partner? Who didn’t shoot anyone. Some buzz words etc etc

[Cherie]

BREAKING:

The German football team Borussia Dortmund is starting “an internal process” against its devout Christian player Felix Nmecha for having expressed sympathy on his social media accounts to Charlie Kirk’s family and writing that celebrating someone’s murder is “truly evil.”

His 2 stories on Instagram read:

“May the Lord be with the Kirk family with special grace during this time. Jesus is the true way to peace and love.”

“Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Celebrating the murder of a double father, a husband, and a man who peacefully stood for his convictions and values is truly evil and shows how much we need Christ. May God have mercy and open our eyes and hearts, in Jesus’ name.”

The responsible figures at Borussia Dortmund, including CEO Aki Watzke, are set to represent the German Football Association (DFB) at the 2026 FIFA World Cup in the USA.

German conservatives are calling for Donald Trump not to let them into the country if they continue to persecute Felix Nmecha for writing condolences to the family of a fellow Christian who was murdered for his political and Christian beliefs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0zYjXYWEAA-ijn?format=jpg&name=small

what????

[Maru]

So what's going to be interesting is if there are any co-conspirators, that means there's a possibility we get at complete trial.

He's very likely to plea since it's much easier to establish his guilt. However, that doesn't necessarily apply to the individuals around him who have been influencing him, or have been influenced by him... they may want a trial to try to establish their own innocence to get their lives back.

So I feel they're holding off on releasing "officially" what links he did or didn't have here and there because there's a lot of moving puzzle pieces and if they're getting ready to make charges on multiple people... so yeah, other people could be in trouble.

They already said there was going to be a lot coming out in the charging documents. Which I thought was interesting...Edit: According to them, "everyone" was cooperating.

[bots]

So what's going to be interesting is if there are any co-conspirators, that means there's a possible we get at complete trial.

He's very likely to plea since it's much easier to establish his guilt. However, that doesn't necessarily apply to the individuals around him who have been influencing him, or have been influenced by him... they may want a trial to try to establish their own innocent to get their lives back.

So I feel they're holding off on releasing "officially" what links he did or didn't have here and there because there's a lot of moving puzzle pieces and if they're getting ready to make charges on multiple people... so yeah, other people could be in trouble.

They already said there was going to be a lot coming out in the charging documents. Which I thought was interesting...Edit: According to them, "everyone" was cooperating.

They mentioned a drop off point and that requires more than 1 person

[Crimson Dynamo]

So what’s the angle now then guys to the right? The shooters partner? Who didn’t shoot anyone. Some buzz words etc etc

amazed you are back after yesterday...:shocked:

[Glenn.]

Classic deflection

[Jordan.]

All the right infighting over who they want to blame the most over this

https://www.bandt.com.au/information/uploads/2024/02/mean-girls-school-riot.gif

[emseateng2014]

lol that gif of regina george from mean girls 2004

All the right infighting over who they want to blame the most over this

https://www.bandt.com.au/information/uploads/2024/02/mean-girls-school-riot.gif

[Maru]

Expelled from Texas Tech, allegedly, but one would think this incident were today based on the tweet:

1967284769999479211

This is why I like to find direct sources. So, she was picked up on the 12th for assault. Well,... that would be a good reason to expel her...

Link will probably go away after a while... so I screenshotted
S: https://publicrecords.lubbockcounty.gov/JailRoster/?wMDM1MjN


https://i.postimg.cc/L6jg01V6/Screenshot-2025-09-14-182127.jpg

"Judge Any" :laugh: ...

She ain't emotional, y'all...

[Benjamin]

Screams “You can get out of my face” when it was her that went over to them. Then proceeds to pull out the race card when they tell her she’s being aggressive, when she is.

Unsure why people feel the need to act like that, and the expect to be listened to.

[bots]

In a society allowing free speech, she should be allowed to say what she thinks. We are at a very critical point world wide now and our freedom really is in danger

[Benjamin]

In a society allowing free speech, she should be allowed to say what she thinks. We are at a very critical point world wide now and our freedom really is in danger

She shouldn’t be allowed to say/do that. Imagine if it was a child who had been murdered and she acted like that, dancing around and chanting. That would still be ok?

[emseateng2014]

the aftermath of charlie kirks death is still going nuts

[Maru]

In a society allowing free speech, she should be allowed to say what she thinks. We are at a very critical point world wide now and our freedom really is in danger

They arrested her for assault because that's likely actually what happened, but LEOs are REQUIRED to submit charges on acts they witness. They don't get a choice. It's up to a DA (or whatever it is called there) whether they will push it further. Her charges will get dropped.

[Maru]

Someone vandalized the Turning Point Memorial... and he does it right in front of the media... great job, guys...

Man arrested for allegedly vandalizing Kirk memorial at Turning Point USA HQ
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/14/charlie-kirk-memorial-vandalized-phoenix-man-arrested/86155139007/

A video taken by Fox News shows Corral allegedly walking through the memorial and knocking over vases with flowers in the process before he is thrown to the ground by another man. Several police officers are seen quickly swarming around Corral before he is placed in handcuffs.

Krynsky confirmed to the Arizona Republic, a part of the USA TODAY Network, that the video depicted the arrest of Corral.

"Officers were in the area to assist with traffic control due to a large community presence in the area following recent events," Krynsky said.

In the footage, Corral was seen wearing a shirt with a design on the chest that resembled the shirt worn by Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old accused of killing Kirk, in photos shared before Robinson was arrested.

Edit: Removed bc not related to the TP memorial, I'm tired...

Edit2: Doesn't show the vandalism, but it shows them stopping him and then the arrest:

1967319433409683618

[emseateng2014]

imagine if that guy was from the old school right

old school right is someone who is a before trump takeover and from eras during like george bush jr and sr ronald reagan abe lincoln gerold ford richard nixon

Someone vandalized the Turning Point Memorial... and he does it right in front of the media... great job, guys...

Man arrested for allegedly vandalizing Kirk memorial at Turning Point USA HQ
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/14/charlie-kirk-memorial-vandalized-phoenix-man-arrested/86155139007/



Edit: Removed bc not related to the TP memorial, I'm tired...

Edit2: Doesn't show the vandalism, but it shows them stopping him and then the arrest:

1967319433409683618

[emseateng2014]

the right will probley be celebrating while the left will probley have meltdowns

Expelled from Texas Tech, allegedly, but one would think this incident were today based on the tweet:

1967284769999479211

This is why I like to find direct sources. So, she was picked up on the 12th for assault. Well,... that would be a good reason to expel her...

Link will probably go away after a while... so I screenshotted
S: https://publicrecords.lubbockcounty.gov/JailRoster/?wMDM1MjN


https://i.postimg.cc/L6jg01V6/Screenshot-2025-09-14-182127.jpg

"Judge Any" :laugh: ...

She ain't emotional, y'all...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Someone vandalized the Turning Point Memorial... and he does it right in front of the media... great job, guys...

Man arrested for allegedly vandalizing Kirk memorial at Turning Point USA HQ
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/14/charlie-kirk-memorial-vandalized-phoenix-man-arrested/86155139007/



Edit: Removed bc not related to the TP memorial, I'm tired...

Edit2: Doesn't show the vandalism, but it shows them stopping him and then the arrest:

1967319433409683618

19 years old Ryder Coral, wearing the same t shirt as the far-leftist murderer.

A punk kid with no stake in society. very sad to see

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G03lwu9aAAAdZmA?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The Evil Killer
has a Boyfriend he was seeing.


FBI informed Gov. Cox.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/12/14/102081151-0-image-m-29_1757683595098.jpg


So he is Gay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING: Nurse at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta who said “******* his kids.
******* his ancestors, especially the b*tch who birthed him” has been FIRED

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0yTumNWsAAef6_?format=jpg&name=360x360https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0yTumLWYAEW8VO?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0yTumNW4AAH_6F?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Niamh.]

What an idiotic thing to say publicly when you're a Nurse for Children.....

[Livia]

amazed you are back after yesterday...:shocked:

No shame.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What an idiotic thing to say publicly when you're a Nurse for Children.....

I think with all these "people" they operate in a bubble of likeminded others and they do not have the life experience or intelligence to realise that there are millions of others who do not share their twisted life view.

The ones iv seen react to being fired are all dumbstruck and amazed that "alls they did was post on social media yada yada yada and iv been fired???"

[Oliver_W]

Consequence Culture.

[Liam-]

Free speech! Unless it upsets the racists, then you deserve to be fired, arrested and have your life ruined!

[Liam-]

‘Free speech warriors’ don’t actually care about free speech, they want to be able to say and do whatever they want to say or do and have everybody else face consequences for their speech and opinions, it’s being proven in real time and idiots are too blinded by hatred to actually see how hypocritical they are, it’s glorious to see

[Liam-]

She shouldn’t be allowed to say/do that. Imagine if it was a child who had been murdered and she acted like that, dancing around and chanting. That would still be ok?

If you want absolute free speech then yes, it’s not free speech if reprehensible speech isn’t free as well, that’s the world maga wants, so they should be happy to live by that, even if someone not being nice about their favourite dead facists upsets their little feelings

[Maru]

It's gone beyond just firings.

I saw a post from a local tree trimmer yesterday tell his potential customers on one of the local appreciation boards for that community that they were asking politely that people not send them any inquiries if they had celebrated his death. (but that they were happy to continue to serve their community otherwise) All of the replies were very supportive. I know the grave dancing seems widespread, but there's really been a huge outpouring of support both locally and nationally.

[Glenn.]

amazed you are back after yesterday...:shocked:

No shame.

What you even talking about?

[arista]

The Evil Killer is not talking to the FBI

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andy Ngo @MrAndyNgo
·
46m
In the FBI dir.'s first interview about the investigation into the Charlie assassin suspect,
he confirms the family says Robinson became radicalized to the left.

And he strongly suggests the suspect’s trans lover knew of a pre-written Charlie kill note
that was later destroyed.

Short clip - https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1967615690048962938

[Maru]

The Evil Killer is not talking to the FBI

His lawyer isn't going to let him do that, which is normal.

[arista]

JD Vance
is hosting the Charlie Kirk show

[Beso]

Free speech! Unless it upsets the racists, then you deserve to be fired, arrested and have your life ruined!

You condone her language.


Despicable.

[Glenn.]

You condone her language.


Despicable.

I think he’s highlighting the rancid hypocrisy. You know that though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0xKmRPaAAAdLY0?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0xKmRPaAAAdLY0?format=jpg&name=small


Yikes !


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BBXX]

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0xKmRPaAAAdLY0?format=jpg&name=small

Since 2013, between 0.09% to 0.14% of mass shooters have been trans. Considering 0.5% of the US population identify as trans - and 1.5% of 13-17 year olds identify as trans - it looks like they are actually under represented when it comes to the demographic of mass shooters.

Thoughts?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Since 2013, between 0.09% to 0.14% of mass shooters have been trans. Considering 0.5% of the US population identify as trans - and 1.5% of 13-17 year olds identify as trans - it looks like they are actually under represented when it comes to the demographic of mass shooters.

Thoughts?

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m9QN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_pro gressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F449d02d 9-1446-4037-a455-5f3d4c8d7954_1956x1100.jpeg

I can report that the roommate — and suspected romantic partner — of the
man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk is confirmed as trans.

On Friday, Daily Mail first identified the partner as 22-year-old Lance S.
Twiggs. Twiggs lived with accused assassin Tyler Robinson in an apartment in
St. George, Utah, about four hours from Utah Valley University, where Kirk
was murdered.

Twiggs’ social media history remains online, and I have reviewed it to confirm
his transgender identity.

full details below

https://www.ngocomment.com/p/unmasking-luna-charlie-kirk-assassin

[BBXX]

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

LOL. Thought so. That reply isn't a great look, just FYI. You look blinkered and wilfully hateful.

Placing the blame for this on a trans person because they were the partner of the shooter is really an odd move. You're absolutely lost in a pit of obsessive hate.

[Liam-]

These weirdos really try anything to blame trans people for everything, a white, Christian, gun loving conservative shot and murdered their Nazi, their narratives fall about and they still try and blame everybody else

[Glenn.]

The desperation to push this transphobic agenda.

A quick google search work tell you that the MAJORITY of mass shootings are committed by cis gendered MEN.

Far right, white supremacist or racist
• Wade Michael Page. 2012. Oak Creek WI Sikh temple. White supremacist motive confirmed by FBI. Source The Violence Project. FBI.
• Dylann Roof. 2015. Charleston SC church. White supremacist. Federal hate crime conviction and death sentence. Source DOJ filings. AP.
• Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. 2014. Overland Park KS Jewish sites. Neo Nazi antisemitic motive. State conviction. Source AP. DOJ.
• Robert Bowers. 2018. Pittsburgh PA Tree of Life synagogue. White supremacist. Federal death sentence. Source DOJ. AP.
• John Earnest. 2019. Poway CA synagogue. Antisemitic manifesto. State and federal convictions. Source DOJ. Court records.
• Patrick Crusius. 2019. El Paso TX Walmart. Great Replacement anti immigrant manifesto. Federal life sentence on hate crimes. Source DOJ. AP.
• Payton Gendron. 2022. Buffalo NY Tops supermarket. Great Replacement manifesto. State life without parole. Federal death penalty sought. Source DOJ. AP.
• Ryan Palmeter. 2023. Jacksonville FL Dollar General. Anti Black writings. Swastikas on rifle. Source Jacksonville Sheriff. AP.

Most perpetrators are cisgender men. Trans or nonbinary suspects are a tiny fraction of all incidents. Reuters analysis of Gun Violence Archive data puts trans suspects at about 0.11 percent of all mass shootings over the last decade, and roughly 2 percent of school cases where gender identity was identified. Source Reuters fact check.

[Cherie]

These weirdos really try anything to blame trans people for everything, a white, Christian, gun loving conservative shot and murdered their Nazi, their narratives fall about and they still try and blame everybody else

err who should be blamed for a murder in your esteemed opinion....:umm2: I love they way you pass ag throw around....Theses weirdos....they etc...when you mean forum members, just grow a pair say what you mean why dont you?

[Liam-]

Transphobes have proven time and time again that they don’t care about facts and reality, they’ll just continue to push their hateful narratives despite how stupid an ignorant it makes them look

[Cherie]

The desperation to push this transphobic agenda.

A quick google search work tell you that the MAJORITY of mass shootings are committed by cis gendered MEN.

Far right, white supremacist or racist
• Wade Michael Page. 2012. Oak Creek WI Sikh temple. White supremacist motive confirmed by FBI. Source The Violence Project. FBI.
• Dylann Roof. 2015. Charleston SC church. White supremacist. Federal hate crime conviction and death sentence. Source DOJ filings. AP.
• Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. 2014. Overland Park KS Jewish sites. Neo Nazi antisemitic motive. State conviction. Source AP. DOJ.
• Robert Bowers. 2018. Pittsburgh PA Tree of Life synagogue. White supremacist. Federal death sentence. Source DOJ. AP.
• John Earnest. 2019. Poway CA synagogue. Antisemitic manifesto. State and federal convictions. Source DOJ. Court records.
• Patrick Crusius. 2019. El Paso TX Walmart. Great Replacement anti immigrant manifesto. Federal life sentence on hate crimes. Source DOJ. AP.
• Payton Gendron. 2022. Buffalo NY Tops supermarket. Great Replacement manifesto. State life without parole. Federal death penalty sought. Source DOJ. AP.
• Ryan Palmeter. 2023. Jacksonville FL Dollar General. Anti Black writings. Swastikas on rifle. Source Jacksonville Sheriff. AP.

Most perpetrators are cisgender men. Trans or nonbinary suspects are a tiny fraction of all incidents. Reuters analysis of Gun Violence Archive data puts trans suspects at about 0.11 percent of all mass shootings over the last decade, and roughly 2 percent of school cases where gender identity was identified. Source Reuters fact check.

Lets face it they are all biological men whichever way you try to cut it

[BBXX]

These weirdos really try anything to blame trans people for everything, a white, Christian, gun loving conservative shot and murdered their Nazi, their narratives fall about and they still try and blame everybody else

Well it looks like he was a white, Christian, gun loving lefty man in fact, but everything to do with him is apparently moot because he... has a trans partner.

The inability for some on here to have an honest discussion because it means they don't get to hate on a group of people they're seemingly obsessed with is ever increasing but not surprising.

[Liam-]

err who should be blamed for a murder in your esteemed opinion....:umm2: I love they way you pass ag throw around....Theses weirdos....they etc...when you mean forum members, just grow a pair say what you mean why dont you?

The people who commit murders perhaps? That shouldn’t be a hard concept to grab, but apparently it is for some people!

If I meant forum members directly I’d say so, you should know by now I have no qualms telling forum members when they’re being weirdos, stop pretending you know everything it’s not a good look

[Crimson Dynamo]

Transphobes have proven time and time again that they don’t care about facts and reality, they’ll just continue to push their hateful narratives despite how stupid an ignorant it makes them look

Transphobes have proven time and time again that they don’t care about facts and reality

i mean..

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/irony-satire-meter-that-hitting-260nw-2488526481.jpg

[Liam-]

Well it looks like he was a white, Christian, gun loving lefty man in fact, but everything to do with him is apparently moot because he... has a trans partner.

The inability for some on here to have an honest discussion because it means they don't get to hate on a group of people they're seemingly obsessed with is ever increasing but not surprising.

This is what the powers that be have allowed this site to become, it’s a hateful, hostile pit of ignorance and bigotry, there’s a reason 90% of the minorities have jumped ship!

[BBXX]

err who should be blamed for a murder in your esteemed opinion....:umm2: I love they way you pass ag throw around....Theses weirdos....they etc...when you mean forum members, just grow a pair say what you mean why dont you?

Considering the trans person didn't pull the trigger, do you think a trans person should be factored into the conversation when it comes to blame on this particular case.

Do you have any opinion on CD's posts considering his angle is cast a net around trans people as frequent mass shooters when it's factually incorrect. Would you concede someone continuing to do that despite the evidence suggesting the opposite, that there is an agenda there to discriminate unjustly?

[Maru]

Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m9QN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_pro gressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F449d02d 9-1446-4037-a455-5f3d4c8d7954_1956x1100.jpeg


Definitely first apartment vibes in that one photo on the right and what's interesting is how traditional some of the knickknacks are since one tends to start off with a lot of hand me downs... so maybe not so completely divorced from his family culturally.

[Cherie]

Considering the trans person didn't pull the trigger, do you think a trans person should be factored into the conversation when it comes to blame on this particular case.

Do you have any opinion on CD's posts considering his angle is cast a net around trans people as frequent mass shooters when it's factually incorrect. Would you concede someone continuing to do that despite the evidence suggesting the opposite, that there is an agenda there to discriminate unjustly?

Considering trans people represent such a small percentage of the population they do seem to be alot involved in shootings, that said we can't generalise and shouldn't about ANY community

[Livia]

The non-violent trans community. Punch a TERF, right? Ahh.... So peaceful.

[BBXX]

Considering trans people represent such a small percentage of the population they do seem to be alot involved in shootings, that said we can't generalise and shouldn't about ANY community

Ahh, perhaps you missed my earlier post.

Since 2013, between 0.09% to 0.14% of mass shooters have been trans. Considering 0.5% of the US population identify as trans - and 1.5% of 13-17 year olds identify as trans - it looks like they are actually under represented when it comes to the demographic of mass shooters.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The non-violent trans community. Punch a TERF, right? Ahh.... So peaceful.

Its a a real danger now

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7hemuvRoW__WR04eKcWiLG_7Nmq8k2 CBy2g&s

JD Vance: "No unity with these people"

This is the correct response

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1967654338379350302

[Liam-]

Like I said, fact and reality don’t matter to people with a hateful agenda

[Maru]

AZVvB0ZBxRs

I listening to this expecting a good take because I'd seen a smaller transcript of this and it sounded more reasonable than what we'd been hearing. Still, didn't expect this at the start:

Timestamp: https://youtu.be/AZVvB0ZBxRs?si=5WLGxvF25fxSq87C&t=37
Actual remarks at about @1:00
"We can't just be that, well Trump is always wrong, or that we're going to set the country on fire..... or whatever–uhghh err that's not just true either, of course" :spin:

...Why not just openly admit it at this point? Otherwise it's just dragging the entire party further and further towards the abyss if they're just going to ignore what people have seen and heard and are responding to. It's the perfect time to renew their message as the whole country is currently soul-searching... maybe they're afraid their base won't be willing to hear it?

I do think that's what he's calling for,... but yeah, he can't say the quiet parts out loud... or in my mind, the loud parts out loud because can already hear what's not being said.

Hard to know who will divorce first. The Democrats or the far fringes of their party that are hijacking their messaging. I can't imagine they'd let them take it completely over, but I guess this is the fork in the road to find that out...

The interview also began with an answer to a question we didn't hear (I hate when they do that) where he says "I'm never going to change my party"...

[thesheriff443]

Like I said, fact and reality don’t matter to people with a hateful agenda

Well you would know
You are always aggressive in your posts

[Maru]

The non-violent trans community. Punch a TERF, right? Ahh.... So peaceful.

There's bloodthirsty people in our population, but they're clearly not the brightest. There's been calls for civil war by "culture war" fanatics since I've been born probably.. :laugh: I think we're all going to find out that violence is not a very effective means to get what we want and hopefully this terrible Hollywood knock off of whatever tf this is can finally end... social media is not real life and no you're not a cat.

Documentary for people who thought I was joking:
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This is the kind of neurosis that floats around the communities that the shooter was at least partial to. It's not the whole community obviously. Furry has its origins in the online art community (largely Deviant Art), but still... imagine just preaching any of your most important gospels adjacent to this phenomenon...

[emseateng2014]

the emmys did not mention charlie kirks death

its most likely that all of the right wing media will have meltdowns galores complain non stop and whine like crazy

[emseateng2014]

the right wing media must be celebrating about her getting fired

BREAKING: Nurse at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta who said “******* his kids.
******* his ancestors, especially the b*tch who birthed him” has been FIRED

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0yTumNW4AAH_6F?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Barry.]

This thread has turned into a whole cluster fook. Not all trans women and men are evil and not all men are evil. Why is this turning into a insult members thread?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread has turned into a whole cluster fook. Not all trans women and men are evil and not all men are evil. Why is this turning into a insult members thread?

Can you quote the post that said that?

[Barry.]

Can you quote the post that said that?

The post where you quoted that there were a few trans who been shooters when the shooter that killed Charlie wasn’t even trans. He was a whote male shooter. Why bring the trans community in this. Sure his partner was trans but they weren’t the shooter

[Crimson Dynamo]

The post where you quoted that there were a few trans who been shooters when the shooter that killed Charlie wasn’t even trans. He was a whote male shooter. Why bring the trans community in this. Sure his partner was trans but they weren’t the shooter

And what about that post was inaccurate?

[Cherie]

Ahh, perhaps you missed my earlier post.

Since 2013, between 0.09% to 0.14% of mass shooters have been trans. Considering 0.5% of the US population identify as trans - and 1.5% of 13-17 year olds identify as trans - it looks like they are actually under represented when it comes to the demographic of mass shooters.

Why would you be proud of your community being under represented in murdering innocents, just bizarre, they are a small subsection of society but are still represented ...:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would you be proud of your community being under represented in murdering innocents, just bizarre, they are a small subsection of society but are still represented ...:shrug:

Crazy

[Maru]

This thread has turned into a whole cluster fook. Not all trans women and men are evil and not all men are evil. Why is this turning into a insult members thread?

Well, the Autumnal Equinox is soon (September 22nd).

[Benjamin]

You condone her language.


Despicable.

Bit rich when you condone the guy saying Kier Starmer should be assassinated…

[Benjamin]

If you want absolute free speech then yes, it’s not free speech if reprehensible speech isn’t free as well, that’s the world maga wants, so they should be happy to live by that, even if someone not being nice about their favourite dead facists upsets their little feelings

I don’t believe in absolute free speech personally. I believe there should be certain limits as to what can be said publicly.

[Maru]

I don’t believe in absolute free speech personally. I believe there should be certain limits as to what can be said publicly.

The US technically doesn't even have it.

[Maru]

Of course... he confessed on Discord. Gotta get that last achievement (a gamer thing).

Charlie Kirk suspect's astonishing 'it was me' confession to online chat group revealed just before he turned himself in
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15101319/charlie-kirk-suspect-tyler-robinson-discord-confession.html

Suspected Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson allegedly confessed to the slaying in an online chat before he surrendered to police, it has emerged.

'Hey guys, I have bad news for you all,' Robinson allegedly wrote in a message on Discord, The Washington Post reports.

'It was me at UVU yesterday. im sorry for all of this.'

[bots]

what we should be aiming for is free speech with civility. It is civility that bounds the extremities of free speech, not supression.

With social media and closed bubble social groups, it's impossible to stop people saying what they want to. They have tried to remove anonimity to make people accountable, but that will be bypassed as more and more people are prosecuted for their online words. It's obvious where it's all heading and yet no-one does anything positive to increase civility on the major platforms

[Maru]

Queer militia. Surveillance video. And the world's darkest chatroom. The plotters who KNEW about the Charlie Kirk assassination plan
S: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15100923/Charlie-Kirk-shooting-transgender-fbi.html

The FBI believes there were clear warning signs before the shooting of Charlie Kirk and are probing people in his orbit who may have had prior knowledge of it.

Investigators are delving into the transgender and gaming subcultures in Utah and scouring social media accounts after the discovery of a series of posts that appeared to reflect some awareness of suspected gunman Tyler Robinson and his alleged plot.

'There appear to have been multiple warning signs,' FBI assistant Director Dan Bongino said.

He said 'people in Robinson's network' were aware he had become 'infected' by far-left ideology and 'that his target was obviously going to be Charlie, and that people knew in advance.

Bongino added: 'The question is...did they know? Were they sure of this? Or did they hear this and just write it off? That's what we're going to have to find out.'

Robinson, 22, had a circle of friends from high school who interacted on gaming forums including Steam and Discord.

The litany of suspicious social media posts FBI agents will have to assess, many of which were deleted shortly after the shooting on September 10, also encompasses X and TikTok.

One user called churbum75m, who seemingly followed a friend of Robinson's on TikTok, posted on X straight after the shooting: 'WE *******ING DID IT.'

Robinson was arrested late Thursday evening and the FBI is investigating whether anyone else had prior knowledge of the attack amid a litany of warning signs

FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino is investigating if 'people knew in advance' about the assassination of Charlie Kirk

Also on TikTok, a video was apparently posted the day before the shooting, showing what appeared to be a morgue technician with eerie music playing.

It said: 'charles james kirk. mr. college dropout does NOT know what's coming tomorrow. be ready…This isn't a threat it's a promise.'

The video went on: 'it's a BADDD day to be charlie [tomorrow]'.

An X post a week before the assassination said: 'itd be funny if someone like charlie kirk got shot on september 10th LMAO.''

One user called @NajraGalvz, who identified as non-binary, wrote on X the day before the assassination: 'Charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i rlly hope someone evaporates him literally.'

In the hours after that shooting that user wrote: 'CHARLIE KIRK GOT SHOT BRO I PROMISE I DIDNT HSVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.'

Another set of posts that may form part of the investigation is one made after the shooting and release of surveillance pictures of the suspect, but before he was caught.

'Hey, I know that guy - it's my buddy Tyler!' the user wrote. 'Unfortunately they have the wrong dude. Tyler was at my house all day yesterday playing video games.'

It was not possible to verify whether that post was real, but investigators are likely to look at it.

Messages sent on the Discord platform after the surveillance images of Robinson were released included one from an acquaintance asking where he was, along with a skull icon.

Robinson replied: 'my doppelganger is trying to get me in trouble.'

A map shows where Tyler Robinson shot from

Then, two hours before turning himself in, the suspect appeared to confess to a small group of friends in a chat on Discord, which is popular with gamers.

A message from Robinson's account said: 'Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. 'It was me at UVU (Utah Valley University) yesterday. im sorry for all of this.'

Discord is understood to be cooperating with the FBI.

Meanwhile, they are also looking into local groups and networks where Robinson could have been known.

That includes a group called Armed Queers Salt Lake City which deleted its Instagram account after the shooting, the New York Post reported.

The 'socialist queer organization' emerged in the summer of 2020 and provides 'defense to community members threatened by right-wing vigilantes and state violence.'

There is no known connection between Robinson and the group.

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[Maru]

Just interesting from a culty perspective what some of these people believe in:..

https://i.postimg.cc/nh66Dd3V/G06-UGQLWAAAI-vy.jpg

This is their linktree (the above picture) that was scrubbed:
https://linktr.ee/armedqueersslc


Militias are technically not illegal in the US, but it does test the limits of 2A (and is very controversial in the modern era).

Historically, States and their communities relied on civilian militias to defend themselves in emergencies (before a national army could be called). It's hard to say how it would work now, but I believe the President still at least has some authority to call up these groups...

Protecting you from carpal tunnel:

Today, more militias focus on the anti-tyranny parts of 2A for the obvious that allow them to organize (if needed) for the purposes of stopping our own govt if it goes tyrannical and less for invasions from foreign forces. The typical ones are often are just formed groups of veterans or other volunteers who still connect to continue to serve their nation or whom are just interested in keeping a time-honored tradition alive.

It is illegal obviously to act as a terrorist organization and start assassinating people, so that's going to be interesting to see how the govt handles that aspect if it plays out there is a strong enough link to Antifa, then maybe Antifa is labeled a terrorist organization. (I doubt it.)

A good article about militias re:attempted abduction of MI Governor Gretchen Whitmer (Democrat)... and it gives a really good introduction to how they behave under the terrorist context in the modern age:

Between militia and terrorism (2020)
https://www.mininggazette.com/news/features/2020/10/between-militia-and-terrorism/

...

A bigger tipping point for separation here is the exploitation of the internet used by domestic terrorists. Bjelopera said, “Domestic terrorists–much like their jihadist analogues–are often Internet and social-media savvy and use such platforms to share ideas and as resources for their operations.”

The group that planned to abduct Gov. Whitmer were organizing through social media groups and used coded messages, which the FBI had to infiltrate and crack.

The article continued, The FBI charged six individuals with plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The state’s attorney general charged seven others with threatening public officials and supporting plans for terrorist acts.”

That's a lot of people.

The subjects involved in the kidnapping plot had been planning since June, one plan involving some “200 militia members who would storm the state capitol, attack law enforcement, and take the governor hostage,” the NJOHSP intelligence note said

On fbi.gov, “Domestic Terrorism: Focus on Militia Extremism” from Sept. 22, 2011, “Last March, nine members of an extremist militia group were charged in Michigan with seditious conspiracy and attempted use of mass destruction in connection with an alleged plot to attack law enforcement and spark an uprising against the government,” a situation similar to the current case.

The article explained, “It’s just one example of the dangers posed by so-called militia extremists–the latest topic in our series to educate the nation on domestic terror threats that the FBI investigates today.

See, the FBI isn't completely useless..


It's believed by some that the Democrats are poking the bear with rhetoric because by insinuating that there are interests "waiting in the wings" to take hold in the US, maybe by planting that seed regularly, one or two of these militias get a wild idea and that will help them out politically with carving more away from the Constitution, including 2A.

Militia groups that would be considered right wing often appear at protests especially where groups like Antifa are meant to be active. A lot of drama happens at the protests just because of the groups doing different things to get the other to overreact (and maybe get arrested).

Fun fact: Some biker gangs are part of these militia groups. (Though they're usually called something else)

Edited to add:

When The Gang-bangers Are White Guys
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/05/19/when-the-gang-bangers-are-white-guys
These biker gangs have a long history in organized crime. They began with restless, traumatized veterans returning home after World War II. Today, biker gangs still act as a sort of private militia that police can’t always control, patrolling festivals and other events. Why don’t we pay more attention to them?

[BBXX]

Why would you be proud of your community being under represented in murdering innocents, just bizarre, they are a small subsection of society but are still represented ...:shrug:

I’m not sure if you’re trolling or if you don’t understand stats.

It’s irrelevant about actual numbers of people when talking about percentages.

Around 0.5% of the population are trans which means you would expect around 0.5% of shooters to be trans because that would make sense. The stats show that actually when looking at the demographic and the percentage on shooters per capita that a trans person is LESS LIKELY to be a mass shooter.

These stats are saying the literal opposite of what CD is suggesting (that it’s common for a mass shooter to be trans) and what you said (that they are involved in mass shootings frequently even though they are a small number of people).

What you’re saying is not factually correct. The number of trans people involved in mass shootings in percentage terms is less than why society would expect.

I don’t really know how to explain this any other way but in layman’s terms: the suggestion mass shootings are a trans issue or that it’s common for mass shooters to be trans in factually incorrect. It’s the opposite.

To move the subject away for a second to give another content - but it's like when we say men make up 49% of the population in the U.S but 80% of the suicides, and women make up around 50.5% of the population but around 70-75% of victims of domestic abuse are women. These stats show that men are disproportionately affected by suicide and women by domestic violence compared to their population shares. Society then knows there is an issue there and focuses accordingly.

So, when I share that trans people are committing mass shootings at a lower rate in comparison to their population share, that means there isn't an issue and it doesn't need focussing on. It's happening less than the benchmark. And when I share that in response to posts that are trying to say otherwise, it's not about being proud, it's about utilising facts and evidence based statistics to disprove a rhetoric based on an agenda.

[Ammi]

what we should be aiming for is free speech with civility. It is civility that bounds the extremities of free speech, not supression.

With social media and closed bubble social groups, it's impossible to stop people saying what they want to. They have tried to remove anonimity to make people accountable, but that will be bypassed as more and more people are prosecuted for their online words. It's obvious where it's all heading and yet no-one does anything positive to increase civility on the major platforms

…online and social media type sites..(…and also mainstream media’s…)…are not civility designed though, are they…it’s all become a war of words and some are believing in their own online hype in how far they can go and what isn’t being aimed for is civility…it’s strange times atm because it’s evolving so quickly into ‘new territory’ …within their own home and on their own keyboard or phone or whatever, a voice can reach and influence so many people and sadly, that’s not to create civility…it’s kind of the opposite of that …online/social media wars have evolved so much from being more personal clashes to becoming more en masse and into real life actions…and no one does anything to increase civility…?..no because it all fits well into diverting from the flaws and failings in our governments…

[Ammi]

…just after Charlie Kirk’s killing, it was being discussed in the radio and I only switched it on to hear a little part of it so don’t know who the speaker was, only that they were American…what they were saying was that many things can be true and are true in terms of ‘Democrat/Republic’ mindsets and behaviour etc in terms of belief systems and mindsets…and they often are just different ends of the same thing…but sadly, it’s not the many things that are all true at once that are being focused on so much as picking out the bits that can be manipulated into fitting into agenda driven goals…and it gets believed because it’s not so much fake news completely as just in accurate and plucked out and out of context to fit… and then it’s shared and shared and shared and shared etc…but the thing being lost is that it’ll never become accurate truth no matter how many shares…it’s still only a small manipulated piece of something that’s become very dangerous and even, deadly in some cases…

[Beso]

An awful lot of young folk doing these mass shootings.

[Liam-]

what we should be aiming for is free speech with civility. It is civility that bounds the extremities of free speech, not supression.

With social media and closed bubble social groups, it's impossible to stop people saying what they want to. They have tried to remove anonimity to make people accountable, but that will be bypassed as more and more people are prosecuted for their online words. It's obvious where it's all heading and yet no-one does anything positive to increase civility on the major platforms

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

[Ammi]

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

…I think that it’s a ‘game’ of many parts and layers…yes, it’s poked and prodded and slanted to keep that divide flame burning as distractingly as possible…but it’s also online personas and what it’s become and becoming…its a bit like The Running Man/type thing and similar of ‘talk violence’ becoming more and more real and enacted …which just to me says that as a humankind…?..we’re all becoming more and more desensitised to the value of human life…because of online content in general, ‘shock’ is just lessening…

[Ammi]

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

…I mean it’s all an impossible goal, surely…because of the media’s we have now and the power of ‘collective outrages’ I guess we could call it…but to varying degrees, we’re all part of it and that impossibility…

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fundamental difference between left and right "cancellation" explained in a short video

If you dont get it, sadly you are part of the problem

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1967725854303326688

[BBXX]

I don't agree with people celebrating his death, but if Matt Walsh is advocating for people to be fired for hateful language not rooted in objective truth, which I think is fair, why was he okay with Charlie Kirk making a career out of saying hateful things that weren't rooted in objective truth?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Maru]

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I don't know what I think of this.

But it is comical they're saying it can't be political when baristas can wear pins promoting certain views.

I do think it's a touching idea. Now I want to order drinks under my favorite people's name... or I can just write it on my own damn cup.

[bots]

each side is not letting the event blow over. that's what surprises me

[Benjamin]

each side is not letting the event blow over. that's what surprises me

Doesn’t surprise me. It’s the big headline for both sides until the next thing comes along.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Maru]

each side is not letting the event blow over. that's what surprises me

I can see why you might think that, but that's vastly misunderstanding the significance of this. That's not your fault because you can't see the temperature here.

There are memorials going up left and right. Small gestures locally and all over social media. Most people don't think this is normal in any way shape or form and even seem offended on a personal level that some people actually think this can become a normal thing. Some are still in shock and processing. His funeral hasn't even been held yet and there's a public memorial planned on the 21st. However, there's also a memorial not terribly far from us with public speakers and it's supposed to be a 2-day event on the 19th.

Sports stadiums (including small outfits), affiliated or not with their home teams, are still holding their own memorials. Many churches have now gotten more directly involved in pointing out problems with political discourse. So many different organizations, teams, shops, etc, coming out now suddenly showing support for human decency because the line has apparently been drawn and they feel they just can't sit by. We're not getting proper leadership so individuals are now putting their own thumb on the scale and saying "too far".

The online stuff looks grim, but offline the positivity far outweighs the celebrations, imo. Some of the online is "interesting" from the perspective of human nature and I guess seeing how far we've slipped, but it doesn't really paint a complete picture. This has changed the mentality and the temperature of the country massively. It's no longer a match between left and right. It's now national,... "What do we do from here?". It's more like post-9/11 in terms of the earthquake that's being delivered, especially when just seeing how many people are in shock and genuinely upset this is even possible. In politics, at least there is a point. This was simply a senseless murder that had no point to it whatsoever.

[Ammi]

I can see why you might think that, but that's vastly misunderstanding the significance of this. That's not your fault because you can't see the temperature here.

There are memorials going up left and right. Small gestures locally and all over social media. Most people don't think this is normal in any way shape or form and even seem offended on a personal level that some people actually think this can become a normal thing. Some are still in shock and processing. His funeral hasn't even been held yet and there's a public memorial planned on the 21st. However, there's also a memorial not terribly far from us with public speakers and it's supposed to be a 2-day event on the 19th.

Sports stadiums (including small outfits), affiliated or not with their home teams, are still holding their own memorials. Many churches have now gotten more directly involved in pointing out problems with political discourse. So many different organizations, teams, shops, etc, coming out now suddenly showing support for human decency because the line has apparently been drawn and they feel they just can't sit by. We're not getting proper leadership so individuals are now putting their own thumb on the scale and saying "too far".

The online stuff looks grim, but offline the positivity far outweighs the celebrations, imo. Some of the online is "interesting" from the perspective of human nature and I guess seeing how far we've slipped, but it doesn't really paint a complete picture. This has changed the mentality and the temperature of the country massively. It's no longer a match between left and right. It's now national,... "What do we do from here?". It's more like post-9/11 in terms of the earthquake that's being delivered, especially when just seeing how many people are in shock and genuinely upset this is even possible. In politics, at least there is a point. This was simply a senseless murder that had no point to it whatsoever.


…it was a senseless shooting and it’s just thankful that Tyler Robinson didn’t then turn his loaded rifle into the crowd from his rooftop sniper position ….i read that the 71 yr old man, George Zinn who shouted that he’d fired the shot….?….has said that he did so to create attention and further chaos in order to allow for more time for the killer to get away from the scene of his murder…he’s also been charged for obstructing justice but there are other charges apparently…in connection with child abuse images found on his phone…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at this POS at a memorial event

How has he been dragged up to be this type of vile human being?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1967972450647630055

[Crimson Dynamo]

The decline of Britain in one photograph.

:skull:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G09hG9aWYAAE4ZQ?format=jpg&name=small

[Glenn.]

Look at this POS at a memorial event

How has he been dragged up to be this type of vile human being?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1967972450647630055

-Charlie Kirk

said “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people” when talking about crime in urban America.

said, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”

He questioned whether a Black customer‐service worker “is there because of her excellence or because of affirmative action.”

He has described the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a “huge mistake” and an “anti-white weapon.”

He’s claimed that white privilege is a “racist idea.”

He has invoked the “great replacement” narrative: arguing that immigration policies are aimed at “replacing white rural America.”

[arista]

The Evil Killer has now been charged with the Murder.


Death Penalty for him.

[Maru]

The Evil Killer has now been charged with the Murder.


Death Penalty for him.

That means we get charging documents soon (if not already)...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Absolutely horrid!!!

May not agree with everything he said but nobody deserves to be killed for their views.


I'm in the camp who doesn't believe that the kid did it.


Question- did Charlie have any kind of disability himself? He seems to twitch a lot when he talked and his head was abnormally shaped.

[Maru]

Associate Principal (is that like an Asst?...) Cindy Rehberg falsely accused of making an ugly post about Charlie.

And they play some of the calls of people calling in pissed off and saying she needs to be fired...

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The retraction... can you imagine being subjected to this...?
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His other posts got more traction so many more people likely saw the accusation than the retraction... and he's got other posts of him finding random people to post up with their private information. It's all about clout...

One of the posts has a tagline: "WE GOING INTERNATIONAL!"... and tags someone in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This vile murder has exposed the left like no other. The irony is off the scale

[Maru]

Wow. Never heard of that one. They added a charge for committing a violent offense while children were present. I guess it's supposed to act sort of like an enhancement I think... must be something specific to Utah:

The charges include:

Aggravated murder, a capital offense

Felony discharge of firearm causing serious bodily injury

Two counts of obstruction of justice

Two counts of witness tampering

Commission of a violent offense in the presence of a child

Penal code — 76-5-114. Commission of domestic violence in the presence of a child
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S114.html

[Maru]

Press Conference — Utah seeks death penalty in Charlie Kirk’s killing:
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[Barry.]

Absolutely horrid!!!

May not agree with everything he said but nobody deserves to be killed for their views.


I'm in the camp who doesn't believe that the kid did it.


Question- did Charlie have any kind of disability himself? He seems to twitch a lot when he talked and his head was abnormally shaped.

He could have just a twitch condition? Or Tourette’s

[BBXX]

This vile murder has exposed the left like no other. The irony is off the scale

Do you realise that almost every time someone replies to you with facts you ignore it and just say something negative about the opposition instead of actually having an honest conversation.

There is a really good test to know whether you’re brainwashed and it’s whenever you’re presented with a factual argument that puts those you support in negative light, if you’re argument is just to say something negative about the opposition instead of actually criticising those you support in a moment of honesty, if you truly cannot bring yourself to say one negative thing, then you’re brainwashed.

You like to accuse others like me of being brainwashed but on this forum I’ve criticised Islam, I’ve criticised extremist trans people, I’ve called out those who co-opt trans identities for awful crimes, I’ve said that even though I completely disagree with pretty much everything Charlie Kirk has said, celebrating his death is awful, and I’ve criticised extreme left behaviour.

I never see you acknowledge anything objectionability negative about those on the right. You either make excuses or ignore it or post a video that puts someone on the left is a negative light. Therefore debating with you is pointless because you’re simply dishonest and act in misdirection.

[emseateng2014]

its still crazy how most of the right wing media are still reporting like no tomorrow ever since the aftermath of charlies kirks assasination about people from the left and or the right getting kicked out fired suspended from school and or work just for celebrating charlie kirks death

althought i doubt peeps from the right wing are getting fired kicked out suspended for celebrating charlies death but who knows if there are any from the right we might never know because the right wing media mostly blame almost on the left like they are the super villains from tv shows movies and comic books

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you realise that almost every time someone replies to you with facts you ignore it and just say something negative about the opposition instead of actually having an honest conversation.

There is a really good test to know whether you’re brainwashed and it’s whenever you’re presented with a factual argument that puts those you support in negative light, if you’re argument is just to say something negative about the opposition instead of actually criticising those you support in a moment of honesty, if you truly cannot bring yourself to say one negative thing, then you’re brainwashed.

You like to accuse others like me of being brainwashed but on this forum I’ve criticised Islam, I’ve criticised extremist trans people, I’ve called out those who co-opt trans identities for awful crimes, I’ve said that even though I completely disagree with pretty much everything Charlie Kirk has said, celebrating his death is awful, and I’ve criticised extreme left behaviour.

I never see you acknowledge anything objectionability negative about those on the right. You either make excuses or ignore it or post a video that puts someone on the left is a negative light. Therefore debating with you is pointless because you’re simply dishonest and act in misdirection.

When you post facts I will acknowledge you. When you copy and paste worn dogma I cant. Life is way way to short to react to Google searches

[Maru]

Charging documents:
https://media.deseret.com/media/misc/pdf/dn/news/RobinsonInformation.pdf

(Not my summary):

Charlie Kirk was speaking at an outdoor event at Utah Valley University at noon on Wednesday, Sept. 10.
Kirk was struck by a bullet in the neck. He slumped to the ground almost immediately.
Kirk was pronounced dead at the hospital.
The bullet’s trajectory passed closely to several other individuals besides Kirk, including the questioner who was standing directly in front of Kirk.
Children were visible near Kirk’s stage when he was shot.
At the moment of the shot, a UVU police officer (the UVU Officer) was watching the crowd from an elevated vantage point.
As soon as he heard the shot, the officer began to scan the area for threats. Believing the shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he looked for potential sniper positions. He noted a roof area approximately 160 yards away from Kirk as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.
Robinson’s mother saw a photo released by police and believed it looked like her son.
Robinson’s mother called her son and asked him where he was. He said he was at home sick and that he had also been at home sick on September 10th.
Robinson’s mother told police that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.
Robinson’s father reported that when his wife showed him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.
He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift.
As a result, Robinson’s father contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson’s father spoke on the phone with Robinson. Robinson implied that he planned to take his own life. Robinson’s parents were able to convince him to meet at their home.
As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn’t go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy [Charlie Kirk] spreads too much hate.
They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff.
At Robinson’s father’s request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.
On the evening of Sept. 11, 2025, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler James Robinson, went to the Washington County Sheriff’s Office with his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
Police interviewed Robinson’s roommate/partner.


Text messages to his "love" (his words) (Starts at end of Pg 7):

Police released the following text exchanges allegedly between Robinson and his partner:

Robinson: I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn’t be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.

Roommate: you weren’t the one who did it right????

Robinson: I am, I’m sorry

Roommate: I thought they caught the person?

Robinson: no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. Its quiet, almost enough to get out, but theres one vehicle lingering.

Roommate: Why?

Robinson: Why did I do it?

Roommate: Yeah

Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it.

Roommate: How long have you been planning this?

Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don’t wanna chance it …

Robinson: I’m wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. … I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpas rifle … idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn’t trace to me. I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. didn’t have the ability or time to bring it with. … I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints. how the (expletive) will I explain losing it to my old man. … only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. … remember how I was engraving bullets? The (expletive) messages are mostly a big meme, if I see “notices bulge uwu” on fox new I might have a stroke alright im gonna have to leave it, that really (expletive) sucks. … judging from today I’d say grandpas gun does just fine idk. I think that was a $2k scope ;-; …

Robinson: delete this exchange

Robinson: my dad wants photos of the rifle … he says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. Hes calling me rn, not answering. …

Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga. …

Robinson: Im gonna turn myself in willingly, one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.

Robinson: you are all I worry about love
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Roommate: I’m much more worried about you

Robinson: don’t talk to the media please. don’t take any interviews or make any comments. … if any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent

Doesn't sound like they would've found him without the family's help. At least not immediately. The rifle belonging to his grandfather is quite sad...

[bots]

It boils down to simple intolerance of others views taken to the extreme. I can't see it being a long trial

We have all seen the anger from transactivists in the recent past, it was only a matter of time until someone crazy enough took it into their own hands

[Maru]

So this is interesting. It's not critical information to the murder, obviously... but Pope Leo has made some comments recently about martyrdom. Some churches have noticed this as well and are piggybacking off that as understandably there's casual connections to conversations people have been having, plus the scripture that was used.

Others had been speculating that Charlie had converted to Catholicism, because he had been seen at Mass not that long ago. That's not that unusual imo, as his wife is Catholic.

Sep 14th: ‘No one can silence their voice’: Pope Leo XIV honors modern martyrs at ecumenical service
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/266569/no-one-can-silence-their-voice-pope-leo-xiv-honors-modern-martyrs-at-ecumenical-service

Sep 16th: Pope tells new US ambassador he is praying for Charlie Kirk and his family
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/europe/pope-tells-new-us-ambassador-he-is-praying-for-charlie-kirk-and-his-family/article_5e025377-79bd-5d17-be12-2c71ebeb7a82.html


Related, people have been preemptively melting down at the prospect of Ben Shapiro being involved anywhere near the top of TPUSA (given he's a Jew), even though no one has suggested that would happen. They're both known for touring and doing campus debates. Interpret that of what you will...

[BBXX]

When you post facts I will acknowledge you. When you copy and paste worn dogma I cant. Life is way way to short to react to Google searches

LOL. Okay. Almost 40 members have posted in this thread and your posts make up almost 20% of the entire thread so you won't convince me with the "life is too short" shtick I am afraid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL. Okay. Almost 40 members have posted in this thread and your posts make up almost 20% of the entire thread so you won't convince me with the "life is too short" shtick I am afraid.

Posting relevant information and comment is one thing, reacting to well worn attempts is another

like i am doing here


:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i2BZSJc8Y2M

[Nicky91]

death penalty yes please

[Cherie]

Charging documents:
https://media.deseret.com/media/misc/pdf/dn/news/RobinsonInformation.pdf

(Not my summary):

Charlie Kirk was speaking at an outdoor event at Utah Valley University at noon on Wednesday, Sept. 10.
Kirk was struck by a bullet in the neck. He slumped to the ground almost immediately.
Kirk was pronounced dead at the hospital.
The bullet’s trajectory passed closely to several other individuals besides Kirk, including the questioner who was standing directly in front of Kirk.
Children were visible near Kirk’s stage when he was shot.
At the moment of the shot, a UVU police officer (the UVU Officer) was watching the crowd from an elevated vantage point.
As soon as he heard the shot, the officer began to scan the area for threats. Believing the shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he looked for potential sniper positions. He noted a roof area approximately 160 yards away from Kirk as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.
Robinson’s mother saw a photo released by police and believed it looked like her son.
Robinson’s mother called her son and asked him where he was. He said he was at home sick and that he had also been at home sick on September 10th.
Robinson’s mother told police that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.
Robinson’s father reported that when his wife showed him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.
He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift.
As a result, Robinson’s father contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson’s father spoke on the phone with Robinson. Robinson implied that he planned to take his own life. Robinson’s parents were able to convince him to meet at their home.
As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn’t go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy [Charlie Kirk] spreads too much hate.
They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff.
At Robinson’s father’s request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.
On the evening of Sept. 11, 2025, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler James Robinson, went to the Washington County Sheriff’s Office with his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
Police interviewed Robinson’s roommate/partner.


Text messages to his "love" (his words) (Starts at end of Pg 7):



Doesn't sound like they would've found him without the family's help. At least not immediately. The rifle belonging to his grandfather is quite sad...

This is such a sad read, three families devastated for what?

[BBXX]

Posting relevant information and comment is one thing, reacting to well worn attempts is another

like i am doing here


:idc:

lol okay. I posted stats and factual information based of evidence, and you posted... erm... LibsofTikTok. :laugh: :laugh:

[BBXX]

This is such a sad read, three families devastated for what?

Well exactly, it's truly just senseless and horrific and has torn multiple families apart forever... for nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at this POS at a memorial event

How has he been dragged up to be this type of vile human being?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1967972450647630055

🚨 BREAKING: Texas State University has EXPELLED the student who was seen
mocking Charlie Kirk’s killing and spitting at his supporters

[Livia]

🚨 BREAKING: Texas State University has EXPELLED the student who was seen
mocking Charlie Kirk’s killing and spitting at his supporters

This isn't panning out how a lot of them thought it would.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ABC News reporter swoons over romance between Charlie Kirk assassin and
trans roommate: 'very touching'

https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/1c85b1ae-d4cf-4948-b461-b392c938cb4a/fbe5cfbf-0104-4fcf-bb74-1fba0a290bd6/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

An ABC reporter who was in attendance at a press briefing in Utah where charges against the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination were detailed claimed that the text messages between the alleged killer and his transgender romantic partner were "very touching." In those messages, Tyler Robinson urged his lover Lance Twiggs to destroy evidence to help cover up his connection to the killing.

Matt Gutman told viewers "we have seen an alleged murderer with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it.

video - https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1968042242058387745

But also it was very touching, in a way that I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning, calling him 'my love', and 'I want to protect you my love.'

"So it was this duality of someone who, the attorney said, not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting... riveting press conference."

Since a suspect was named, there has been an effort among mainstream media outlets to paint him as a person on the far-right wing and now that this narrative has been proven false by investigators, ABC takes the view that the alleged killer was a loving partner to his trans boyfriend.

During that press conference, the Utah county attorney on the case revealed that accused killer Tyler Robinson came from a conservative family but had taken up leftist positions on trans and other position and wrongfully believed Charlie Kirk was a hateful person.

https://thepostmillennial.com/abc-news-reporter-swoons-over-romance-between-charlie-kirk-assassin-and-trans-roommate-very-touching?utm_campaign=64470

[Beso]

The killer had a good life, he then went to university and became radicalized by the far left.

Shame. Biden amd harris have blood on their hands, by insinuating that all groups like lgbq and trans ideology as well as the climate lot and all the others are all under one banner and must confront the far right ideology that was growing in the USA.


You then have all those groups scared of speaking out against anything that may go against one of the other groups because their group would then be shunned and turned on by the remaining groups Biden and Harris said "Are all one"



Starmers tried the same in the UK, by calling protestor far right thugs. We now are beginning to see the same thing happen in the UK, because of the words of the leaders who should be calming situations, not inflaming them with dangerous words.

[Ammi]

…this is a very powerful speech and very powerful and apt words from Arnie…

LuOS3F8YXhk


After Schwarzenegger shared his comments online, the actor wrote on his social media page: “There’s something more important than my message in this video. It’s what you don’t hear. No heckling. No disrespect. No shouting.”

He continued: “I know that social media shows us the worst of humanity, and a few people celebrating a death will get more attention than hundreds of respectful people. Don’t let these companies and the rage influencers that profit from them convince you the worst of us are the most of us. They are a tiny minority that gets too much attention because anger makes you post, repost, and like.”

He praised the audience of almost 500 USC students for showing him no disrespect while he answered, stating: “That’s how most of the real world outside of the internet is. If you find yourself falling for the anger, go out in the real world and make yourself human again.”

[Niamh.]

…this is a very powerful speech and very powerful and apt words from Arnie…

LuOS3F8YXhk


After Schwarzenegger shared his comments online, the actor wrote on his social media page: “There’s something more important than my message in this video. It’s what you don’t hear. No heckling. No disrespect. No shouting.”

He continued: “I know that social media shows us the worst of humanity, and a few people celebrating a death will get more attention than hundreds of respectful people. Don’t let these companies and the rage influencers that profit from them convince you the worst of us are the most of us. They are a tiny minority that gets too much attention because anger makes you post, repost, and like.”

He praised the audience of almost 500 USC students for showing him no disrespect while he answered, stating: “That’s how most of the real world outside of the internet is. If you find yourself falling for the anger, go out in the real world and make yourself human again.”

Well said Arnie

[Crimson Dynamo]

🚨 JUST IN: Congressman Randy Fine (R-FL) demands public firing squad "for
the entire world to see" of Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1AGTi3XYAAaBK5?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

The public firing squad seems too much but I am definitely in favour of bringing back the death penalty … maybe in about 15 years after we have hopefully survived the upcoming civil unrest/ war ..


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