Thank god for Jenny calling Elsa out with her demonic nonsense

[vesavius]

No one else, with them all sat around like nodding dogs, but thinking the same thing, had the guts to just say..

DID YOU SEE A DOCTOR?

Because, sorry, Elsa is clearly either mentally ill or just lying for attention and someone needed to point that out.

Or am I actually the only person that thinks her stories are just bullshit? Please, tell me that you all don't buy it?

Telling stories about ****ing demons is not normal. The fact that people are against Jenny saying that what Elsa said was insane is terrifying.

Yes, people are allowed to talk about what they believe, but others are also allowed to be scared when you start talking about having seen feckin demons in the walls.

Marcus also clearly thought it was bullshit but he wants to get his end wet so is just not so willing to say it out loud.

[The Grinch]

I think it’s so rude to call her mental though. Sure I don’t believe in most of those things but she does and we should just accept that she could be seeing things.

[vesavius]

I think it’s so rude to call her mental though. Sure I don’t believe in most of those things but she does and we should just accept that she could be seeing things.

You don't believe it, yet you think we should accept it?

Good grief.

You say 'rude', I say just being real. Elsa def needs help and it's not wrong to say that.

[The Grinch]

You don't believe it, yet you think we should accept it?

Good grief.

There are people who believe in that type of stuff.

It shouldn’t bother you as much as it does really.

There has been spooky things happen or caught on camera etc.

[vesavius]

There are people who believe in that type of stuff.

It shouldn’t bother you as much as it does really.

There has been spooky things happen or caught on camera etc.

It only 'bothers' me when it is offered up for conversation on BB... I don't sit up at night thinking about it lol... Stop trying to gaslight me.

Are you actually telling that you believe her when she says that she has seen demons in the walls of the BB house... A studio that was built for the show in 2023?

[The Grinch]

It only 'bothers' me when it is offered up for conversation on BB... I don't sit up at night thinking about it lol... Stop trying to gaslight me.

Are you actually telling that you believe her when she says that she has seen demons in the walls of the BB house... A studio that was built for the show in 2023?

Of course not. I don’t think the building is haunted but, and it’s a big but, spirits don’t just stick to one place, again, if you believe that stuff.

She mentioned this to Big Brother. If she was not fit enough to be in the house they would of got her out of there

[vesavius]

Of course not. I don’t think the building is haunted but...

Then why the **** are you enabling her nonsense? :joker:

Are you aware of the term 'toxic empathy'?

[The Grinch]

Then why the **** are you enabling her nonsense? :joker:

Are you aware of the term 'toxic empathy'?

I’m not enabling her. I just think her being called mental wasn’t right. Jenny shouldn’t have said that. If she said something more nicely about it I don’t think it would have bothered me.

[vesavius]

I’m not enabling her. I just think her being called mental wasn’t right. Jenny shouldn’t have said that. If she said something more nicely about it I don’t think it would have bothered me.

But it IS mental :joker:

Not saying that is literally enabling Elsa in these delusions (or lies, I don't know).

Asking someone if they saw a doctor because they believe that they were ****ed by a demon and because they see demons in the walls is 100% fine and fair.

It's amazing to me that you don't believe her yet you think it's wrong to say openly that you don't believe her.

[The Grinch]

But it IS mental :joker:

Not saying that is literally enabling Elsa in these delusions (or lies, I don't know).

Asking someone if they saw a doctor because they believe that they were ****ed by a demon and because they see demons in the walls is 100% fine and fair.

It's amazing to me that you don't believe her yet you think it's wrong to say openly that you don't believe her.

I never said I don’t think you can disagree and not talk about it. I’m saying calling her mental was wrong, that’s all

[vesavius]

I never said I don’t think you can disagree and not talk about it. I’m saying calling her mental was wrong, that’s all

I consider it just being honest.

because it IS mental :joker::joker:

Silence is just enabling that absurdity.

[thesheriff443]

I consider it just being honest.

because it IS mental :joker::joker:

Silence is just enabling that absurdity.

It’s not a real life situation it’s on a game show that you can win a hundred grand by not getting voted out

[Merry Mockmas]

From the sounds of it Jenny was saying what most people would tell Elsa (or anyone else) if they were talking about seeing Demons.

Without watching it myself I don't know if Jenny's delivered it in a harsh way, but her point is more than fair.

[Merry Mockmas]

I think it’s so rude to call her mental though. Sure I don’t believe in most of those things but she does and we should just accept that she could be seeing things.

But Elsa does make herself sound mental tbf.

[bots]

Seeing things that aren't there, and demons talking to her in her head is a classic sign of mental illness. When she started with the demon went down her throat and inside her, i think she was watching season 2 of Stranger things. Personally, i think the producers had a word with her and told her to tell a story to set up halloween week, but thats just me.

I think on this occasion, Jenny was correct, she should see a doctor, and if the producers didn't set the whole thing up, they should have hauled her in to the diary room for a chat, because demons talking to you, the next step is violence toward other people

[millyrose]

Yes it did sound like she had been watching Stranger Things, i wouldn't be surprised if the producers had told her to tell a story

[Thotmas]

People celebrate the concept of Halloween until someone says they see it for real. Ghosts, demons, dead people :laugh:

The original concept of Halloween was around celebrating dead saints and souls?

I kind of agree with Zelah- for people with a religion it's real but from atheists they won't.

[Thotmas]

I think it’s so rude to call her mental though. Sure I don’t believe in most of those things but she does and we should just accept that she could be seeing things.

I agree with this. It was so patronising "have you seen a doctor?" Imagine any other context there would be ofcom complaints. Infact some people say the whole trans agenda is a mental illness also. Imagine if that was said to Zelah

[ChristmasNeeve]

I agree with this. It was so patronising "have you seen a doctor?" Imagine any other context there would be ofcom complaints. Infact some people say the whole trans agenda is a mental illness also. Imagine if that was said to ZelahShe should see a bloody doctor if shes serious but i think she's absolutely full of **** and a massive attention seeker

[Ammi]

I agree with this. It was so patronising "have you seen a doctor?" Imagine any other context there would be ofcom complaints. Infact some people say the whole trans agenda is a mental illness also. Imagine if that was said to Zelah

…it wasn’t just, have you seen a doctor…there was also the suggestion that she talk to a priest…?…why would she talk to a priest if she’s thought to be ‘mental’…and if ‘demons’ aren't believed in then surely God would not be believed in either…God/Devil…angels/demons all go hand in hand …

…I personally would never question Elsa in terms of what she believes she sees and experiences…I know that it has no relevance in terms of what others believe but I’ve worked with too many cared for children/adopted children and know that their traumas can manifest in so many ‘unbelievable’ ways…the mind is all powerful in forming and transforming terrifying experiences into ‘forms’ that it can understand and for children, obviously demons are something they fear and understand as ‘bad’….anyways, this is just a reality show, isn’t it….and anything that I have experienced in life in terms of children with trauma isn’t relevant…there are many papers written and this is only one link if there is any further thought …. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24647210/


…what I do feel is that Elsa isn’t someone who should have been put into the BB house, this isn’t the place for this and all of her behaviour/including her strong immediate attachment to Marcus has absolutely reinforced that…I have no idea what psych evaluation BB are using but it feels to me that it’s very much broken…

[bots]

Unfortunately in the world of social media, people can talk complete bollocks that is untrue and pass it off as fact. Some individuals have millions of followers because they either believe it or wonder what tosh they are going to come out with next. This is the world we live in these days.

Personally, i think this is likely the strategy that Elsa is taking. Build a social media following based on crazy stuff she does in the house. It's actually quite smart if that's her intention

[Rustic bauble]

She should see a bloody doctor if shes serious but i think she's absolutely full of **** and a massive attention seeker


Yes I agree. She is a massive attention seeker. I mean many of us can maybe relate to 'unnatural goings on'..myself included. However seeing demons, being exorcised and spirits having sex with her...she clearly needs to see someone.
Jenny's reaction was hilarious...it was a natural reaction and many many people will be saying the same thing. Elsa must have had that reaction a lot but she played the proper victim for public sympathy.

...and who remembers what they saw at 3 years of age!!.

[Parmy]

Nasty demon deep throated me and snapped my body in two.


Luckily DR demon came along and mended my snapped spine just in time for waking up.

[Thotmas]

Nasty demon deep throated me and snapped my body in two.


Luckily DR demon came along and mended my snapped spine just in time for waking up.

It's actually quite a phenomenon amongst religious circles. Incubus, sucubus. Even satanists believe they can see or summon demons.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

100% set up for Halloween week - she does not believe it and neither does anyone else in the house

[Thotmas]

…it wasn’t just, have you seen a doctor…there was also the suggestion that she talk to a priest…?…why would she talk to a priest if she’s thought to be ‘mental’…and if ‘demons’ aren't believed in then surely God would not be believed in either…God/Devil…angels/demons all go hand in hand …

…I personally would never question Elsa in terms of what she believes she sees and experiences…I know that it has no relevance in terms of what others believe but I’ve worked with too many cared for children/adopted children and know that their traumas can manifest in so many ‘unbelievable’ ways…the mind is all powerful in forming and transforming terrifying experiences into ‘forms’ that it can understand and for children, obviously demons are something they fear and understand as ‘bad’….anyways, this is just a reality show, isn’t it….and anything that I have experienced in life in terms of children with trauma isn’t relevant…there are many papers written and this is only one link if there is any further thought …. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24647210/


…what I do feel is that Elsa isn’t someone who should have been put into the BB house, this isn’t the place for this and all of her behaviour/including her strong immediate attachment to Marcus has absolutely reinforced that…I have no idea what psych evaluation BB are using but it feels to me that it’s very much broken…


There could be an argument for schizophrenia, hallucinations but also.


If she's thought to mental she can still talk to a priest or pastor I believe as they pray for them aswell as advice to seek medical support if needed.


Jenny was just condescending.



That's the thing, religiously if there's a God as some believe that means angels, demons, hell and heaven exist so if people are tolerant of things like sex changes and many other things they can also try to be less condescending in these areas. Just my thoughts lol. It looks even more hypocritical when the very same people mocking her will celebrate the concept in a few days :laugh:

[Parmy]

It's actually quite a phenomenon amongst religious circles. Incubus, sucubus. Even satanists believe they can see or summon demons.

You've got religion and mythology mixed up.

:crazy:

[Vicky.]

Jenny was correct, Elsa is either attention seeking or mentally ill

[Thotmas]

You've got religion and mythology mixed up.

:crazy:

Perhaps religious people don't call it succubus or incubus but I've seen Christians pray against spirits and demons that sleep with people.

Spirit husband they call it maybe

[Thotmas]

In any case it would naturally scare people that are not that way inclined so I agree Elsa had to know her audience. Perhaps the best thing would have been for her to go to the diary room to ask for someone to pray with her rather than expecting them to understand lol. Wonder if Richard understands. They don't show him

[Peppermint]

So glad somebody actually spoke up about her insanity instead of encouraging her, how embarrassing :facepalm:

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

You've got religion and mythology mixed up.

:crazy:

Christianity acknowledges mysticism but it also tends to suggest getting as far away as possible from it. From that POV, Jenny would be understandably spooked.

In the US, traditional religion is brought in by dabblers all the time.

Catholicism in the Hispanic world more openly embraces mysticism. Thus there are a higher number of converts to a religion like Santeria, where the saints are still heavily worshipped alongside Orishas. So yes, still witchcraft.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Sneak Peak from tonight's show

Elsa goes up in everyone's opinion

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/d7/f6/18d7f6f70a8bf7694ea4c74b8042751d.gif

[Parmy]

If they are real the vast majority will be Catholics.

[bots]

who is the new housemate spotted in the kitchen

https://i.ibb.co/GvBxwmQH/elsademon.png (https://ibb.co/kgkHnZ2m)

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I agree with this. It was so patronising "have you seen a doctor?" Imagine any other context there would be ofcom complaints. Infact some people say the whole trans agenda is a mental illness also. Imagine if that was said to Zelah

The "Have you seen a Dr?" line is funnier than not because depending on the doctor one finds here they will embrace it entirely.

Much of the newfangled modern psych **** coming out of the US is closely tied to the explosion of woo in those fields. I have my own beliefs for sure but I can also see the serious harm it is doing to vulnerable minds.

New Age attracts the mentally unstable, that's just a given. That's why it is all over the psych field now (commercial interest), and even some practitioners. A friend who is still very fragile had an enabling therapist that claimed that him and his soon to be divorced very abusive ex wife that he was clinging to were actually mega soulmates. And blamed things like energy lines being drawn between them and it being physically impossible for him to detach. They were also bringing up past lives and other psychic input during therapy and yes that is something that is often happening in psych but I have never seen it discouraged. And why would patents discourage therapy that affirms they are actually quite special? How many now proclaim they are "empaths" and use it to describe to describe their own psych?

It is about customer satisfaction and the commercial aspects muddy it here as having a medical carousel of therapy and drugs is not only profitable but almost treated like a replacement for religion for some people. So because belief systems can be so easily filtered through these therapy methods, it's an excellent way for anyone to use that to push an agenda.

So I am not surprised we are at the point that someone like Elsa walk the Earth with either no pushback or self-awareness. I like Elsa all said and done, but she is not saying anything I don't hear in the US. Her beliefs are more mainstream than not.

[Gusto Brunt]

I think I only watched about 20 minutes of last night's show.

The rest I fast forwarded.

The Demon/ghosts thing was so boring.

I don't believe in ghosts anyway.

[HettyTheHarelip]

The world holds two classes of men:
Intelligent men without religion and
religious men without intelligence
(Abu al-Ala al-Ma'arri, Emirate of Aleppo, 973-1057 AD)

When one person is delusional, it's called insanity.
When many people are delusional, they call it religion.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Tbh I actually agree with Zelah that if you are religious then you can't really dismiss it as insanity unless you think your whole religion is insane

St Paul literally became a Christian because he saw a vision of Jesus. Lots of Jesus's miracles involved casting demons out of people. Just as two examples

[Ammi]

Tbh I actually agree with Zelah that if you are religious then you can't really dismiss it as insanity unless you think your whole religion is insane

St Paul literally became a Christian because he saw a vision of Jesus. Lots of Jesus's miracles involved casting demons out of people. Just as two examples

…yeah exactly, that fits with my thoughts also …that how can God be believed if demons aren’t also…surely they both exist together or not at all…and when Jenny said that Elsa should talk to a priest/seek help…?..how could a priest be someone that she felt would/could help in ‘exorcising’ unless she believed in the existence of the need for exorcism…

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

…yeah exactly, that fits with my thoughts also …that how can God be believed if demons aren’t also…surely they both exist together or not at all…and when Jenny said that Elsa should talk to a priest/seek help…?..how could a priest be someone that she felt would/could help in ‘exorcising’ unless she believed in the existence of the need for exorcism…

Jenny gave a dual answer... if it were real, she should get a priest. If not, then she needed a dr to help her deal with seeing things.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Just stop watching Stranger Things and listening to the production staff would be my advice

[Ammi]

Jenny gave a dual answer... if it were real, she should get a priest. If not, then she needed a dr to help her deal with seeing things.

…yeah exactly…the purpose/belief of a priest being mentioned as someone Elsa could talk to …would only be such as any possibility if demons were actually believed in….

[storybrooke]

Jenny had a normal reaction . I’d be worried for someone who has experienced this especially the demon having sex with, seems traumatic to go through if she believes it actually happened

[vesavius]

100% set up for Halloween week - she does not believe it and neither does anyone else in the house

Elsa has said that she has banged demons since day 1 though

[vesavius]

Tbh I actually agree with Zelah that if you are religious then you can't really dismiss it as insanity unless you think your whole religion is insane

St Paul literally became a Christian because he saw a vision of Jesus. Lots of Jesus's miracles involved casting demons out of people. Just as two examples

If Jenny was claiming to have been banged by Jesus or an angel or claiming to see them in the walls of that house I would def consider her insane as well.

If Elsa had just said she was a wiccan I would not be calling her a nutjob.

Elsa is so far over a line that you can't compare her to your garden variety catholic.

[vesavius]

Jenny was correct, Elsa is either attention seeking or mentally ill

Thank god someone else is just calling it like it is

[Merry Mockmas]

I agree with this. It was so patronising "have you seen a doctor?" Imagine any other context there would be ofcom complaints. Infact some people say the whole trans agenda is a mental illness also. Imagine if that was said to Zelah

Tbf to Zelah, are we comparing his Transgender stuff to Elsa saying that a Demon had sex with her?

[Merry Mockmas]

It's actually quite a phenomenon amongst religious circles. Incubus, sucubus. Even satanists believe they can see or summon demons.

Succubus.:flutter:

[Merry Mockmas]

who is the new housemate spotted in the kitchen

https://i.ibb.co/GvBxwmQH/elsademon.png (https://ibb.co/kgkHnZ2m)

My new favourite Housemate.:dance:

[The Human Santapede]

Succubus.:flutter:

I love that word. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Elsa just gets more and more pathetic. The dragon thing was ridiculous and quite obvious she was faking being thick

[The Human Santapede]

Elsa just gets more and more pathetic. The dragon thing was ridiculous and quite obvious she was faking being thick

She absolutely is. She has a bloody forensics degree! Everyone seems to forget that. :laugh:

[ebandit]

............elsa so ya don't really like animals preferring one which is imaginary.................

Mark L

[Merry Mockmas]

I love that word. :laugh:

The word is fantastic, I agree.

And I love the design of them too.:dance:

https://nameawe.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/succubus-names-featured-image.jpg

[vesavius]

She absolutely is. She has a bloody forensics degree! Everyone seems to forget that. :laugh:

They do.