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rex3

25-07-2007, 02:01 PM

do you believe there are living beings out there?

ref:

Iranian discovers mud eruption on Mars
Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:02:34

Iranian researcher Abbas Kangi has explored and discovered a scientific phenomenon dubbed mud eruption on the planet Mars.

Iranian geologist at Shahroud Azad (open) University Dr. Abbas Kangi said on Wednesday that after years of extensive scientific research on the Mars planet, "I've discovered a scientific phenomenon known as mud eruption."

In an interview with IRNA, he said his article themed "Exploration of Mud Eruption on Mars Planet" has been published in Acta Astronautica, a journal of the International Academy of Astronautics.

"Mud eruption follows a massive explosion and emits a very bad smell," he pointed out.

Eruptions on Mars date back to 20 million years, he said.

"Since mud eruption creates a suitable environment for the growth of microscopic organisms, the same might happen in Mars and therefore we assume that fossils of these creatures might be found near the mud volcano," the scientist explained.

Since the shortest distance between the Earth and Mars is about 55 million kilometers, "we have no alternative but to work on Earth as a model", he said.

"In the vicinity of this volcano cone, most of the lava is covered with a thick layer of loose sediments (probably clay). The presence of such sediments at the base of the volcano cone has led to the formation of several major landslides."

"Moreover, water flow on the volcano cone has created a myriad of radial channels. The formation of which is only plausible as a result of eruption of mud from its crater. Besides, the constant discharge of mud-like substances as well as hot water from the volcano set the conditions for the growth and evolution of hydrothermal organisms," he told ISNA in an earlier interview.

cgimusic

25-07-2007, 02:02 PM

Not on Mars but somewhere possibly.

spacebandit

25-07-2007, 06:59 PM

I was disappointed to find the Cydonia face was after all just a rock formation enhanced by shaded area.

Do I believe in life out there ?

I've agreed with Dr Carl Sagans comment about that - "if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, its a hell of a waste of space"

So yes I do, statistically it is a certainty.

Will we ever meet intelligent extra terrestrial life in my lifetime ?

No, unless they come a calling and manage not to crash in some deserted backwater - (again ? ).

Until we have the technical capacity to make proper inroads into space and leave our solar system I think its pretty much certain that we will never discover other lifeforms, why should they come to us, it would be the equivalent of NASA sending a manned space flight to see monkeys in Africa.

Considering the nature of the human animal, to make war on each other and consume our world with no thought for its future - maybe we shouldn't inflict ourselves on any other species or anywhere else we can rape for materials without any due consideration or care for its future .

lily.

25-07-2007, 07:24 PM

I think it would be incredibly arrogant of us to think we are the only life in the universe.

bananarama

25-07-2007, 07:28 PM

I would like to know how they know the eruptions have a bad smell. Do the Iranians have better noses than the Americans,,,:bigsmile: Sorry it's a serious debate I know but can't stop laughing.......:bigsmile:

Tanser_Man

25-07-2007, 07:37 PM

Space is endless, vast amounts of space out there.

We are merely a dot compared to anything out there and to say we are the only living thing capable of doing anything would as Stropz said, be very arrogant.

I'd love us to be able to comminicate with distant planets who do have life on them but i know this probably won't happen in my lifetime, unless a major breakthrough in technology occurs.

Dr43%er

26-07-2007, 11:38 AM

And for the third time in 3 days. Monty Python.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSR_6qfXTg

bananarama

26-07-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Space is endless, vast amounts of space out there.

We are merely a dot compared to anything out there and to say we are the only living thing capable of doing anything would as Stropz said, be very arrogant.

I'd love us to be able to comminicate with distant planets who do have life on them but i know this probably won't happen in my lifetime, unless a major breakthrough in technology occurs.

If intelligent life exists comunication will never realistically be possible in anyones life time now or in the future.

The nearest possibility of life is many many light years away.
If contact was established it would take many many years for them to hear the first message and visa versa.....

As for travelling to another life source one would have to travel near the speed of light to make the trip in one of our life spans......

Unless there is some bizzar twist in nature physical communication with other beings will never happen.

LovelyL

26-07-2007, 08:11 PM

There will be other life out there but never ever will we see it

bananarama

27-07-2007, 06:13 PM

Heres a thought. If we were chatting on a forum coming from another life source 20 light years away and we insult someone there it would take 20 years to hear of a moderators ban.. :bigsmile:

nodisharmony

27-07-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit

Do I believe in life out there ?

I've agreed with Dr Carl Sagans comment about that - "if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, its a hell of a waste of space"

So yes I do, statistically it is a certainty.

You first need to look at where the Sun is.

Then, you need to measure the distance between the Sun & Earth.

After that, go see if there are any planets or stars with life on them.

After the scientists and astronomers come up blank, then start to go away from the Sun and keep going & going & going, until the planets and stars are much further away from the Sun.

These planets will be less likely to be inhabitable, since the temperature level of the planet will be so-much below freezing, that the chances of life would be impossible.

Then you go even further away and then you get to understand the word "Impossible" and that is the answer to your question.

There is ONLY Earth and that's it, regarding life.......Human, Animal, + other things.....

Regarding the article at hand, what a waste of time worrying about Mars.

The only Mars I am interested in, is the one I eat:tongue: With chocolate and caramel within:laugh:

nodisharmony :angel:

Stu

28-07-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by bananarama
Heres a thought. If we were chatting on a forum coming from another life source 20 light years away and we insult someone there it would take 20 years to hear of a moderators ban.. :bigsmile:
Im sure interspace broadband speeds will have shot through the roof in a few years time so no worries their.

bananarama

28-07-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Heres a thought. If we were chatting on a forum coming from another life source 20 light years away and we insult someone there it would take 20 years to hear of a moderators ban.. :bigsmile:
Im sure interspace broadband speeds will have shot through the roof in a few years time so no worries their.

Broadband faster then light!!! Can't wait.....:bigsmile:

Stu

29-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Heres a thought. If we were chatting on a forum coming from another life source 20 light years away and we insult someone there it would take 20 years to hear of a moderators ban.. :bigsmile:
Im sure interspace broadband speeds will have shot through the roof in a few years time so no worries their.

Broadband faster then light!!! Can't wait.....:bigsmile:
The future is bright , and faster than light , with orange broadband [they paid me to say that].

spacebandit

29-07-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit

Do I believe in life out there ?

I've agreed with Dr Carl Sagans comment about that - "if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, its a hell of a waste of space"

So yes I do, statistically it is a certainty.

You first need to look at where the Sun is.

Then, you need to measure the distance between the Sun & Earth.

After that, go see if there are any planets or stars with life on them.

After the scientists and astronomers come up blank, then start to go away from the Sun and keep going & going & going, until the planets and stars are much further away from the Sun.

These planets will be less likely to be inhabitable, since the temperature level of the planet will be so-much below freezing, that the chances of life would be impossible.

Then you go even further away and then you get to understand the word "Impossible" and that is the answer to your question.

nodisharmony :angel:

OMG - I can't decide if that reply is that reply is absolutely hilarious or something else.

You don't even understand the difference between a solar system and a universe.

You pronounce it "impossible" based on your theory that they are too far away from our sun ?? :pat:

Other stars depend on our sun for light and energy ?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Clearly you think you are far more knowledgable than Dr Sagan was, who's quote I used and which you highlighted - and then tried to shoot down in order to explain what is possible and impossible in the universe as you think it is.
:pat:

nodisharmony

29-07-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit

OMG - I can't decide if that reply is that reply is absolutely hilarious or something else.

It is the reply, as it is in this thread and the author of that post is me:bigsmile: Anyone reading this thread can read that true fact.

Originally posted by spacebandit

You don't even understand the difference between a solar system and a universe.

Our Solar System is the space which occupies all the planets orbiting the sun. The closest being "Mercury" and the furthest away, being "Pluto".

Now, the hottest planet is obviously the nearest planet to the Sun. Also, the furthest away, will naturally be the coldest planet in our Solar System.

Earth is full of life, as it is positioned (in the right place) in our Solar System. Everything in exactly the right proportion. Temperature, Oxygen, etc.. etc.. This certainly helped things along.

The Universe is naturally much bigger. (Endless) is one word which get's used quite a bit:rolleyes: Possibly true?

I do understand the difference between the Solar System and the Universe and words from (the), to the (contrary) are laughable in itself:rolleyes:

Originally posted by spacebandit

You pronounce it "impossible" based on your theory that they are too far away from our sun ?? :pat:

To find the answer to that comment, you need to understand what I have just written above first:bigsmile: Get past that obstacle, and you'll learn, well, maybe:rolleyes:

Pluto is uninhabitable, because........(I'll let you explain what we already know) :laugh:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Other stars depend on our sun for light and energy ?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

And? So? Elaborate the significance of that comment?

Originally posted by spacebandit

Clearly you think you are far more knowledgable than Dr Sagan was, who's quote I used and which you highlighted - and then tried to shoot down in order to explain what is possible and impossible in the universe as you think it is.
:pat:

So, I am more knowledgable about astronomy than Dr Sagan??? Where do you get off on that piece of supposition?

Admin deleted this quote. Member disputes that he wrote these words.

Answer me this Spacebandit? Where is the next closest Sun to our's?

also...

If you know the answer to that? How long would it take to travel there?

also...

How do we know where the next closest Sun is?

nodisharmony :angel:

AlexTheGreat

29-07-2007, 11:56 PM

James

30-07-2007, 12:10 AM

There's a theory that if intelligent life had ever developed in the universe before life on Earth it should have had time by now to travel to, explore and settle on every planetary system in the universe (or was it galaxy, can't remember).

Therefore no other intelligent life has existed away from the Earth because we don't have any evidence of aliens exploring or colonising this planet in its past. QED.

But it's just a theory...

I watched 2001 on TV the other day again. Great film.

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Answer me this Spacebandit? Where is the next closest Sun to our's?

also...

If you know the answer to that? How long would it take to travel there?

also...

How do we know where the next closest Sun is?

nodisharmony :angel:

I wont bother with the rest of your post as you do not understand what you wrote yourself.

Except.....

Closest sun to ours is Proxima Centauri, though it won't always be the closest due to it being in a cluster of the three stars we know as the Alpha centauri system.

We couldn't have a manned flight their with our current level of technology

The next closest sun is Rigil Kentaurus

the_chosen_one

30-07-2007, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by spacebandit
Considering the nature of the human animal, to make war on each other and consume our world with no thought for its future - maybe we shouldn't inflict ourselves on any other species or anywhere else we can rape for materials without any due consideration or care for its future .

A consideration applied to all human nature?

Personally, I think your view-point only applies to certain humans. Evolution itself defines survival as human nature’s integral facet. The instinct of the ‘hunter - gatherer’ might stop short of anything more than fulfilling one’s needs to survive, given the conscience and empathy of the evolved human being is what sets us so far apart from other animals.

I think what your theory alludes to, spacebandit, is the nature of the bully. The parasite. One who takes and keeps taking. One whose egomania is so rampant that no amount is enough to satisfy, leading to them seeking satisfaction in destruction, with no ability to appreciate that they themselves are merely a part of nature and easily capable of maintaining balance if their conceit and delusion would allow it.

Of course, the egomaniac may claim that “man himself will wipe out man”. Some people become so enamoured by the achievements of the human race, there’s that underlying notion amongst the conceited and delusional that the war-mongers who plan, execute and glorify destruction and in turn gain power or dominance, must therefore be nature’s ideal of the evolved human being. I tend to disagree. I wouldn’t dismiss the theory that the rapid evolution of scientific research and development happens to coincide with the relatively slower evolution of ‘man’, resulting in an almost ‘Catch-22’ scenario where man’s more undesirable, cowardly instincts learn to exploit the triumphs and hard work of others, so as to achieve that power, fulfil that greed and satisfy a lust for chaos (e.g. Any war-monger from history you’d care to name).

So, could man’s wars really wipe out humanity? As I’ve stated, I’m sure the egotistical war-mongers would love to think so. Personally, I think it’s equally as likely they’d just wipe themselves out…
…and, as Jesus Christ supposedly said in his sermon on the mount…“blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth”.

If mother nature proves too strong a force for the ruinous endeavours of some people, I think humanity could, one day, get the opportunity to evolve it’s technological capabilities and pursue the goal of finding extra-terrestrial life-forms, and who knows what else?

Maybe the evolved human race of the future will be a much more appealing race to visit, from the point of view of extra-terrestrials?

Admin edit: removed emphasis of certain words

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit

OMG - I can't decide if that reply is that reply is absolutely hilarious or something else.

It is the reply, as it is in this thread and the author of that post is me:bigsmile: Anyone reading this thread can read that true fact.

Originally posted by spacebandit

You don't even understand the difference between a solar system and a universe.

Our Solar System is the space which occupies all the planets orbiting the sun. The closest being "Mercury" and the furthest away, being "Pluto".

Now, the hottest planet is obviously the nearest planet to the Sun. Also, the furthest away, will naturally be the coldest planet in our Solar System.

Earth is full of life, as it is positioned (in the right place) in our Solar System. Everything in exactly the right proportion. Temperature, Oxygen, etc.. etc.. This certainly helped things along.

The Universe is naturally much bigger. (Endless) is one word which get's used quite a bit:rolleyes: Possibly true?

I do understand the difference between the Solar System and the Universe and words from (the), to the (contrary) are laughable in itself:rolleyes:

Originally posted by spacebandit

You pronounce it "impossible" based on your theory that they are too far away from our sun ?? :pat:

To find the answer to that comment, you need to understand what I have just written above first:bigsmile: Get past that obstacle, and you'll learn, well, maybe:rolleyes:

Pluto is uninhabitable, because........(I'll let you explain what we already know) :laugh:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Other stars depend on our sun for light and energy ?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

And? So? Elaborate the significance of that comment?

Originally posted by spacebandit

Clearly you think you are far more knowledgable than Dr Sagan was, who's quote I used and which you highlighted - and then tried to shoot down in order to explain what is possible and impossible in the universe as you think it is.
:pat:

So, I am more knowledgable about astronomy than Dr Sagan??? Where do you get off on that piece of supposition?

Originally posted by spacebandit

I would doubt quite obviously, that you don't even come anywhere near someone like him either, in fact, more like 10, 000 times beneath that scale:pat:

Answer me this Spacebandit? Where is the next closest Sun to our's?

also...

If you know the answer to that? How long would it take to travel there?

also...

How do we know where the next closest Sun is?

nodisharmony :angel:

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by spacebandit

I wont bother with the rest of your post as you do not understand what you wrote yourself.

Very typical response:rolleyes: Should I add some, no, not necessary. My last post before this explains all:bigsmile:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Closest sun to ours is Proxima Centauri, though it won't always be the closest due to it being in a cluster of the three stars we know as the Alpha centauri system.

We couldn't have a manned flight their with our current level of technology

The next closest sun is Rigil Kentaurus

Very nice names for the nearest and furthest Sun's, next to our own....:bigsmile:

So, can you add any more specifics:puzzled: Like, how do we know of it's existance, when we can't get anywhere near it?

How do we work out it's mass (Size)?

Is it a Telescope job and an assumption made from a good educated guess?

Was a space-shuttle/rocket/whatever sent into deep space and then, the information about the two closest Suns was brought about from that?

If the Sun's do exist and are of a similar mass, then you also need to understand that there must be a planet or planets orbiting that Sun, within a similar or excact location to what we have here with Planet Earth.

The speculation here is emmense.

All those Stars in our sky and amongst them, we see Two Sun's, that are soooooo near and the possibilities are endless due to the Astronomers findings.

But, the evidence is still very thin and when you realise, how far away those two Suns, (Whether real, or not??) are? Everything which goes with that is pretty much speculative.

Many books and information on Astronomy is very interesting, but, distance is the enemy and from what you have said, it could very much stay that way.

nodisharmony :angel:

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Very nice names for the nearest and furthest Sun's, next to our own....:bigsmile:

So, can you add any more specifics:puzzled: Like, how do we know of it's existance, when we can't get anywhere near it?

nodisharmony :angel:

they may indeed be very nice names, I have no opinion on the flowery nature of such specifics in this case, I neither invented them or made it up.

Admin edited

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by spacebandit

they may indeed be very nice names, I have no opinion on the flowery nature of such specifics in this case, I neither invented them or made it up.

Just a nice observation, due to the lovely names. I know you haven't made them up, as you have found the information on the web or from the book and have amazed us all, with what any of us could easily find out:pat:

Admin edited

I shall repeat the question once more:-
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So, can you add any more specifics Like, how do we know of it's existance, when we can't get anywhere near it?
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Let's try again:rolleyes:

nodisharmony :angel:

Jack

30-07-2007, 12:57 AM

No offence nodisharmony but your knowledge of cosmology is too basic to stand in this thread.

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Jack
No offence nodisharmony but your knowledge of cosmology is too basic to stand in this thread.

This is a debate Jack and knowledge is quite easy to discover, when you go on websites which concentrate on the subject of Astronomy.

Someone brings up a debate and then suddenly, you copy & paste something from an Astronomers site.

I am not interested in doing that, so instead, I pick the brains of the person within this thread, who claims to know so much.

If he can prove himself, I may be inclined to agree?

But as yet, I am a sceptic.

We are listening to Astronomers who claim to know so much about, what is so far away and then make names about Sun's etc....

Your post is noticed, but sadly ignored by myself, as I debate and chat in any thread I choose, regardless of a critic or whatever.......

nodisharmony :angel:

Jack

30-07-2007, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Jack
No offence nodisharmony but your knowledge of cosmology is too basic to stand in this thread.

This is a debate Jack and knowledge is quite easy to discover, when you go on websites which concentrate on the subject of Astronomy.

Someone brings up a debate and then suddenly, you copy & paste something from an Astronomers site.

I am not interested in doing that, so instead, I pick the brains of the person within this thread, who claims to know so much.

If he can prove himself, I may be inclined to agree?

But as yet, I am a sceptic.

We are listening to Astronomers who claim to know so much about, what is so far away and then make names about Sun's etc....

Your post is noticed, but sadly ignored by myself, as I debate and chat in any thread I choose, regardless of a critic or whatever.......

nodisharmony :angel:

It's all well just copy and pasting things off websites but you need a basic understanding of the subject which I don't think you have.

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Jack

It's all well just copy and pasting things off websites but you need a basic understanding of the subject which I don't think you have.

You'll be surprised at what you don't know for sure Jack:wink:

I think we better leave this and let the debate happen, yeah:wink: Your opinions are noted, but sadly ignored, sorry:thumbs:

nodisharmony :angel:

Jack

30-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Jack

It's all well just copy and pasting things off websites but you need a basic understanding of the subject which I don't think you have.

You'll be surprised at what you don't know for sure Jack:wink:

I think we better leave this and let the debate happen, yeah:wink: Your opinions are noted, but sadly ignored, sorry:thumbs:

nodisharmony :angel:

What's that supposed to mean?

Dr43%er

30-07-2007, 08:46 AM

"Your opinions are noted, but sadly ignored"

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Nodis, going on to a web site or reading a book about the subject in hand is called learning in some parts of the world. Just not yours obviously.

Stu

30-07-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Jack
No offence nodisharmony but your knowledge of cosmology is too basic to stand in this thread.
knowledge is quite easy to discover
Sometimes I wonder.

There's a theory that if intelligent life had ever developed in the universe before life on Earth it should have had time by now to travel to, explore and settle on every planetary system in the universe (or was it galaxy, can't remember).

I heard that theory. Could never quiet grasp the logic behind it though. The theory stops at ''if intelligent life '' if you ask me. because if indeed , then we have no idea and have no concept of this intelligent life .

And 2001 is indeed awesome.

bananarama

30-07-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by James
There's a theory that if intelligent life had ever developed in the universe before life on Earth it should have had time by now to travel to, explore and settle on every planetary system in the universe (or was it galaxy, can't remember).

Therefore no other intelligent life has existed away from the Earth because we don't have any evidence of aliens exploring or colonising this planet in its past. QED.

But it's just a theory...

I watched 2001 on TV the other day again. Great film.

Problem with that theory is how do we know that we and the rest of life on this planet is not the result of some sort of alien landing from the past. The state of intelligent life on this planet could be as a result of a previous alien intelligence that lost it's knowledge and capabilities once its landing craft and original occupants had died. Leaving behind their offspring with no knowledge or technology to speak of.....Hence to-day mankind (The original aliens) is slowly regaining technical capabilities it used to have.......

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"Your opinions are noted, but sadly ignored"

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Nodis, going on to a web site or reading a book about the subject in hand is called learning in some parts of the world. Just not yours obviously.

Do you think I have the time or care to start reading Astronomy right now?

The answer to that type of question is obvious:rolleyes:

I have given some specific questions which you haven't given your opinions on yet, but instead, pick holes in, Well, you know what:wink:

Do you fancy discussing the distance between the orbiting planets to all these other Suns that are too far away for us to ever reach or really see up close???

The Astronomers amaze us with their findings, don't they:wink:

Or..............................................

nodisharmony :angel:

Stu

30-07-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Dr43%er
"Your opinions are noted, but sadly ignored"

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Nodis, going on to a web site or reading a book about the subject in hand is called learning in some parts of the world. Just not yours obviously.
Do you think I have the time or care to start reading Astronomy right now?

You had the sufficent time and the utmost care to come in to this topic and hit up a few monologues. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Stu

You had the sufficent time and the utmost care to come in to this topic and hit up a few monologues. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

More nastiness from Stu, am I surprised, well, NO:rolleyes:

I was on about the Sun, as in our Solar System, it is very essential to life-as-we-know-it.

I do like your replies:-

Im sure interspace broadband speeds will have shot through the roof in a few years time so no worries their.

The future is bright , and faster than light , with orange broadband [they paid me to say that].

That isn't ignorance, it is banter and pointlessness:rolleyes:

But I am not so critical on this occasion, but yet you have the bare-faced cheek to criticise my inclusion within this thread:puzzled:

There are "three-letter-occupants" who wish to say something, Well, you know what:wink: and then there are members who wish to give their opinions on whether life does exist on other planets from other Solar Systems.

In my belief, there is NO evidence and there NEVER will be.

Many say it is a possibility and this thread is where members can state their opinions and I do that.

But your three comments are, Well, you know:wink:

nodisharmony :angel:

Dr43%er

30-07-2007, 10:29 AM

Do you think I have the time or care to start reading Astronomy right now?
Fair enough, you don't have time and you don't care to learn about the subject you are debating. That does not put you on the strongest footing to convince people your argument is valid. I don't claim to be an expert on this subject but how do i know that their are other suns out there? I can see them in the night sky. Lots of them. That's in a built up light polluted area with the naked eye. Now if I was to put a telescope in space without interference from light and the atmosphere and put not only a very powerful Cassegrain reflector telescope on board but infer red "heat" sensors and "wavelength" sensors then I guess you could get a pretty good view what is out there. Luckily for us some people could be bothered to learn how to do this and have put the Hubble telescope up there. Or are they just making it up for a laugh.

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Dr43%er

Do you think I have the time or care to start reading Astronomy right now?
Fair enough, you don't have time and you don't care to learn about the subject you are debating. That does not put you on the strongest footing to convince people your argument is valid. I don't claim to be an expert on this subject but how do i know that their are other suns out there? I can see them in the night sky. Lots of them. That's in a built up light polluted area with the naked eye. Now if I was to put a telescope in space without interference from light and the atmosphere and put not only a very powerful Cassegrain reflector telescope on board but infer red "heat" sensors and "wavelength" sensors then I guess you could get a pretty good view what is out there. Luckily for us some people could be bothered to learn how to do this and have put the Hubble telescope up there. Or are they just making it up for a laugh.

and the size of the Suns?

and the distance between the Sun's which shine so brightly and the orbiting planets which we can't see?

We can't get there to find out?

Should I go on & on & on.....

I do know about Stars in the sky, they twinkle, twinkle little stars and I am aware of such things, even basic Astronomy was taught to us at School.

But, we can only go so far, can't we?

I think we are discussing Life on other planets?

nodisharmony :angel:

Stu

30-07-2007, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Stu

You had the sufficent time and the utmost care to come in to this topic and hit up a few monologues. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

I do like your replies:-

Im sure interspace broadband speeds will have shot through the roof in a few years time so no worries their.

The future is bright , and faster than light , with orange broadband [they paid me to say that].

That isn't ignorance, it is banter and pointlessness:rolleyes:
Your right. It is banter. Im not the only one. Some of us like to have a laugh. In fact , both those comments were replys to 'banter' someone else posted before me.

Dr43%er

30-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Just because we can't get there it is not a valid argument as to whether there is life on other planets.

The radiation/light/magnetic wavelengths given off by the stars will give them a good indication of the size and power of any given sun they can focus on.

Are you saying that of all the billions of suns out there ours is the only one to have large rocks orbiting it? And of the trillions of large rocks orbiting the billions of suns that it is not possible that just one (apart from ours) is capable of supporting some form of life?

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I was on about the Sun, as in our Solar System, it is very essential to life-as-we-know-it.

Inodisharmony :angel:

No

Initially you attempted to pick apart a post of mine where I quoted Dr Carl Sagan

Originally posted by spacebandit

Do I believe in life out there ?

I've agreed with Dr Carl Sagans comment about that - "if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, its a hell of a waste of space"

So yes I do, statistically it is a certainty.

the quote specifically mentions "universe"

You were not "on about" our solar system.

You stated that other stars and planets are too far away from our sun to support life as they are too distant from our sun

Originally posted by nodisharmony

You first need to look at where the Sun is.

Then, you need to measure the distance between the Sun & Earth.

After that, go see if there are any planets or stars with life on them.

After the scientists and astronomers come up blank, then start to go away from the Sun and keep going & going & going, until the planets and stars are much further away from the Sun.
These planets will be less likely to be inhabitable, since the temperature level of the planet will be so-much below freezing, that the chances of life would be impossible.

Then you go even further away and then you get to understand the word "Impossible" and that is the answer to your question.

nodisharmony

I have emboldened the relevant section where you include "stars" in your theory as to why it is impossibe for life to exist elsewhere.

You ignore, I must assume because you do not know that other stars are actually suns, and some of those suns have planets orbitting them.

and yes, we do know that other stars are orbitted by objects of smaller mass- i.e. planets,

Originally posted by nodisharmony

and the size of the Suns?

and the distance between the Sun's which shine so brightly and the orbiting planets which we can't see?

We can't get there to find out?

Should I go on & on & on.....

nodisharmony

As for planets orbitting those nearby suns, actually we can "see" some of them and know they exist

Maybe you should browse some astronomical websites and learn a little about direct imaging, astrometric (position) wobble, radial velocity wobble, high-precision photometry (transits) and gravitational microlensing.

Jack

30-07-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Dr43%er

Do you think I have the time or care to start reading Astronomy right now?
Fair enough, you don't have time and you don't care to learn about the subject you are debating. That does not put you on the strongest footing to convince people your argument is valid. I don't claim to be an expert on this subject but how do i know that their are other suns out there? I can see them in the night sky. Lots of them. That's in a built up light polluted area with the naked eye. Now if I was to put a telescope in space without interference from light and the atmosphere and put not only a very powerful Cassegrain reflector telescope on board but infer red "heat" sensors and "wavelength" sensors then I guess you could get a pretty good view what is out there. Luckily for us some people could be bothered to learn how to do this and have put the Hubble telescope up there. Or are they just making it up for a laugh.

and the size of the Suns?

and the distance between the Sun's which shine so brightly and the orbiting planets which we can't see?

We can't get there to find out?

Should I go on & on & on.....

I do know about Stars in the sky, they twinkle, twinkle little stars and I am aware of such things, even basic Astronomy was taught to us at School.

But, we can only go so far, can't we?

I think we are discussing Life on other planets?

nodisharmony :angel:

The size of the "Suns" can be measured quite acurately by looking at their absolute magnitudes and measuring the radiation they admit then placing them on a Hertzsprung Russell Diagram. We don't need to compare the distance between our Sun and Earth with other stars and planets because some stars are much hotter making a planet the distance of 1 AU (the distance between the Earth and the Sun) from it too hot to contain life and some stars are much cooler therefore the planet needs to be much closer.

nodisharmony

30-07-2007, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Jack

The size of the "Suns" can be measured quite acurately by looking at their absolute magnitudes and measuring the radiation they admit then placing them on a Hertzsprung Russell Diagram. We don't need to compare the distance between our Sun and Earth with other stars and planets because some stars are much hotter making a planet the distance of 1 AU (the distance between the Earth and the Sun) from it too hot to contain life and some stars are much cooler therefore the planet needs to be much closer.

Thanks for your information Jack.

Astronomy is a subject I don't really cover much and I know I am not alone on that score, but it is always nice to share opinions of what people know.

It is amazing what astronomers/scientists can find out, regarding Suns so far away. It is a pity that we can never get there to find out.

I did say before to you:- If he can prove himself, I may be inclined to agree? Your contibution above is very convincing:thumbs:

I sometimes reply to threads like this, just to create a debate and if members tactfully explain what they know, I shall pick at bits & pieces, etc.. (just to create a debate), regardless of what I know or don't know? But sadly Jack, some are not so tactful and that progresses into a War of words with agressive tones....

Suddenly, your post came in and I apologise if I went over the top with you.:sad:

I personally think that there is no life on other worlds, but that is just something I believe personally and it has nothing to do with proof, as we can't get proof anyway, as there is no way for us to reach other solar-systems where those closest two Suns are.

But, with technology improving year by year, who knows what could happen in the future.

I shaln't bother replying to the other two members who have commented in this thread, as it is just a case of going around in circles, etc...

nodisharmony :angel:

Sunny_01

30-07-2007, 02:18 PM

can we debate the topic at hand and steer clear of making personal comments about each other. Each and every person has brought their thoughts to this thread and it is not for anyone else to be-little them.

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 03:35 PM

Not only do we have the ability to detect planets orbitting nearby stars, we can now detect the water vapour in an atmosphere of a planet orbitting a nearby star

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ssc2007-12/release.shtml

Jack

30-07-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit
Not only do we have the ability to detect planets orbitting nearby stars, we can now detect the water vapour in an atmosphere of a planet orbitting a nearby star

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ssc2007-12/release.shtml

Wow. That's quite amazing. I think it's quite probable that there is life existing on planets orbiting nearby stars, closer than we think, let alone the whole universe.

spacebandit

30-07-2007, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by spacebandit
Not only do we have the ability to detect planets orbitting nearby stars, we can now detect the water vapour in an atmosphere of a planet orbitting a nearby star

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ssc2007-12/release.shtml

Wow. That's quite amazing. I think it's quite probable that there is life existing on planets orbiting nearby stars, closer than we think, let alone the whole universe.

I'm in total awe of the people who created a system where we can detect water on a planet trillions of miles away.

Mathematics - the bane of schooldchildren, I hated it as well, is what the teachers always said it was - the key to everything - astonishing stuff