Puzzle: When did time begin?

[Scarlett.]

as above

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

time isnt real

[Loukas]

it started a long time ago lolol

get it a long TIME ago looooooool

ok ill shut up :spin:

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
it started a long time ago lolol

get it a long TIME ago looooooool

ok ill shut up :spin: :laugh3: but the scary awnser to the question is it never began

[Sam]

Yeah it never began, we kinda made it up didn't we?

[Z]

Time began when I said so ;)

[Loukas]

i no we made it up

[Scarlett.]

I searched for when did time begin and all it comes up with is the past goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ect.

[Sam]

Originally posted by Z
Time began when I said so ;)

haha. :tongue:

[sarahtheangel]

when i opened my eyes thats when time bgan for me sorry rofl , right back to subject when we were all created . ie : adam eve , animals ,planets insects when life began is when time began too .

[cepb]

Time started at the big bang, when a single hydrogen atom exploded. :P

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

but time was around before that

[Scarlett.]

what was before the big bang?

[cepb]

There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

[Scarlett.]

but there has always been time since forever

[J.C.]

Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

I understand that this is scientifically accepted, but I just find it so hard to get my head around the idea that there was nothing and then suddenly there was TheUniverse. If there was nothing, then why was there just one hydrogen atom and where was it, and what caused it to suddenly explode.??:puzzled:

[cepb]

No, there was nothingness before the big bang. Absolutely nothing. Nothing was there, so time didn't exist.

Time as we know it on Earth, isn't time, it's just us measuring it. Which leads me to the measurement theory.....(But I won't go into it now)

Time isn't a constant thing we're stuck inside.

I don't know much about physics but, I do know that speed and distance are closely linked to time. We can look back to the start of the universe even with our naked eye by just looking at stars which are probably dead by now, but the light has taken so long to get here, that only now we see them.

Time started at the big bang, before that there was nothing. There's no point on trying to imagine nothingness, because we couldn't actually go outside the universe because there's nothing there. We can't go to the place called 'no-where' outside the universe cuz it doesn't exist. It's just nothing.

The universe is the be all and end all.

[cepb]

Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

I understand that this is scientifically accepted, but I just find it so hard to get my head around the idea that there was nothing and then suddenly there was TheUniverse. If there was nothing, then why was there just one hydrogen atom and where was it, and what caused it to suddenly explode.??:puzzled:

This all happened in the first few minutes after the big bang.
Hydrogen is the simplest element. It's got one electron, one proton and one neutron. The reason it came together would have had something to do with anti-matter which exists in vacuum (anti particles). A few quarks (which are now believed to be the fundamentals of protons and neutrons) would have come together to form protons and neutrons in different orders. Neutrons have a neutral charge, and protons a posative charge as they came together the overall sub-atomic particle would be posative, which would attract and electron which is negative. The reason it would have exploded is to do with the electronic configuration of hydrogen. It's unstable because it only has one electron in it's first shell, (it needs at least 2). 2 hydrogen atoms would have fused to create helium, which is more stable because it has 2 electrons in its first shell (which makes it quite unreactable). Hence the birth of the universe. In turn, different nuclear fusions and some chemical reactions took place to form lithium next, thence all the elements in the universe. All the elements that exist today were created in the first few minutes after the big bang. In a way, the big bang is still happening today, with the universe still expanding.

This explains what happened immediately after the big bang, I'm not sure exactly how it all started.

[Jack]

Yeah time and space started at the Big Bang.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

I understand that this is scientifically accepted, but I just find it so hard to get my head around the idea that there was nothing and then suddenly there was TheUniverse. If there was nothing, then why was there just one hydrogen atom and where was it, and what caused it to suddenly explode.??:puzzled:

Hydrogen is the simplest element. It's got one electron, one proton and one neutron. The reason it came together would have had something to do with anti-matter which exists in vacuum (anti particles). A few quarks (which are now believed to be the fundamentals of protons and neutrons) would have come together to form protons and electrons in different orders. Neutrons have a neutral charge, and protons a posative charge as they came together the overall sub-atomic particle would be posative, which would attract and electron which is negative. The reason it would have exploded is to do with the electronic configuration of the hydrogen. It's unstable because it only has one electron in it's first shell, (it needs at least 2). 2 hydrogen atoms would have fused to create helium, which is more stable because it has 2 electrons in its first shell (which makes it quite unreactable). Hence the birth of the universe.



And you claim to know only a little bit of physics.lol.

Anyway, thanks for that,and very interesting too. I was going to ask why would there be hydrogen if there was nothing, but I guess that's what anti matter is......nothing.

[cepb]

Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

I understand that this is scientifically accepted, but I just find it so hard to get my head around the idea that there was nothing and then suddenly there was TheUniverse. If there was nothing, then why was there just one hydrogen atom and where was it, and what caused it to suddenly explode.??:puzzled:

Hydrogen is the simplest element. It's got one electron, one proton and one neutron. The reason it came together would have had something to do with anti-matter which exists in vacuum (anti particles). A few quarks (which are now believed to be the fundamentals of protons and neutrons) would have come together to form protons and electrons in different orders. Neutrons have a neutral charge, and protons a posative charge as they came together the overall sub-atomic particle would be posative, which would attract and electron which is negative. The reason it would have exploded is to do with the electronic configuration of the hydrogen. It's unstable because it only has one electron in it's first shell, (it needs at least 2). 2 hydrogen atoms would have fused to create helium, which is more stable because it has 2 electrons in its first shell (which makes it quite unreactable). Hence the birth of the universe.



And you claim to know only a little bit of physics.lol.

Anyway, thanks for that,and very interesting too. I was going to ask why would there be hydrogen if there was nothing, but I guess that's what anti matter is......nothing.

Chemistry's my forte.

And, no problem. I probably haven't explained it very accurately, but you get the idea. :thumbs:

[Jack]

Originally posted by J.C.
And you claim to know only a little bit of physics.lol.

Anyway, thanks for that,and very interesting too. I was going to ask why would there be hydrogen if there was nothing, but I guess that's what anti matter is......nothing.

Anti-matter is not "nothing". Nothing is exactly what it means in the sense what was before the Big Bang. Time and space simply didn't exist.

[Jack]

Originally posted by cepb
Hydrogen is the simplest element. It's got one electron, one proton and one neutron. The reason it came together would have had something to do with anti-matter which exists in vacuum (anti particles). A few quarks (which are now believed to be the fundamentals of protons and neutrons) would have come together to form protons and electrons in different orders. Neutrons have a neutral charge, and protons a posative charge as they came together the overall sub-atomic particle would be posative, which would attract and electron which is negative. The reason it would have exploded is to do with the electronic configuration of the hydrogen. It's unstable because it only has one electron in it's first shell, (it needs at least 2). 2 hydrogen atoms would have fused to create helium, which is more stable because it has 2 electrons in its first shell (which makes it quite unreactable). Hence the birth of the universe.

I don't think that's the reason of the Big Bang because sub-atomic particles fromed shortly after the initial invinitely hot and dense singularity (or explosion) of the Big Bang.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by J.C.
And you claim to know only a little bit of physics.lol.

Anyway, thanks for that,and very interesting too. I was going to ask why would there be hydrogen if there was nothing, but I guess that's what anti matter is......nothing.

Anti-matter is not "nothing". Nothing is exactly what it means in the sense what was before the Big Bang. Time and space simply didn't exist.

If nothing literally means nothing, then there would be no ingredients for a big bang. Surely it's impossible to create something from absolutely nothing. This is a little bit like the chicken and egg argument about which came first. lol

[Scarlett.]

but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.

[Scarlett.]

How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

[.smegger.]

I believe that time began when God created the world!
I find it extremely hard to believe that this complicated world was created from a big bang. No offence to anyone.:whistle:

[cepb]

Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?
Time doesn't tick, we just think it does.

[cepb]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

[Jack]

Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by .smegger.
I believe that time began when God created the world!
I find it extremely hard to believe that this complicated world was created from a big bang. No offence to anyone.:whistle: I agree, I mean, its convinient how we have plants keeping the planet alive, which is surrounded by the atmosphere which protects us from the sun, the Earth has 24 hours (or whatever) which gives us enough time to sleep, we have animals which keep us alive the moon reflects the sun, so its never completley dark outside, too complcated to just "happen"

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter. well where did that come from?

[cepb]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter.
Thanks! :thumbs:

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter. well where did that come from?

Time and space didn't exist before the singularity so it's just hypothetical. The answer is simply "nothing".

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

no the big crunch was before the big bang lol

the big crunch is when the universe collapses on it self and all matter inside the universe was at one point and then the big bang happend

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter.


In other words, something. Do the scientists know how this matter was formed ?

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

Originally posted by Chewy
How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

Red Shift

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by .smegger.
I believe that time began when God created the world!
I find it extremely hard to believe that this complicated world was created from a big bang. No offence to anyone.:whistle: I agree, I mean, its convinient how we have plants keeping the planet alive, which is surrounded by the atmosphere which protects us from the sun, the Earth has 24 hours (or whatever) which gives us enough time to sleep, we have animals which keep us alive the moon reflects the sun, so its never completley dark outside, too complcated to just "happen"

Well it did just "happen". The chances of a planet having the conditions to support life is very small but out of the billions of stars it's inevitable that at least one will have a planet orbiting it which contains life.

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

Originally posted by Chewy
I agree, I mean, its convinient how we have plants keeping the planet alive, which is surrounded by the atmosphere which protects us from the sun, the Earth has 24 hours (or whatever) which gives us enough time to sleep, we have animals which keep us alive the moon reflects the sun, so its never completley dark outside, too complcated to just "happen"


well what would you say the odds were

1 in a trillion

cause there are trillions of galaxies

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by Chewy
How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

Red Shift whats "Red Shift?"

[cepb]

Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter.


In other words, something. Do the scientists know how this matter was formed ?
In physics, sometimes you just have to accept the facts. It came from nothing. And that's it. You can't comprehend nothingness cause it doesn't exist.

[Jack]

Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by cepb
There was nothing before that.

Time itself started at the big bang.

no the big crunch was before the big bang lol

the big crunch is when the universe collapses on it self and all matter inside the universe was at one point and then the big bang happend

You cannot prove that. For a Big Crunch to occur the Universe needs to be closed and the Hubble constant needs to be geater than 1. The Hubble constant has been calculated in recent years to be less than 1 therefore an open universe situation is more likely in which it continues to expand forever.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
but how long has time (as we call it) been ticking?
It will have been ticking before the big bang, and how did an atom get there?

Atoms didn't form until after the Big Bang. Time didn't "tick" before the Big Bang because it didn't exist. It's difficult to comprehend but there was just nothing.
What caused it all to start?

A singularity - An infinitesimally small, dense and hot concentration of matter.


In other words, something. Do the scientists know how this matter was formed ?
In physics, sometimes you just have to accept the facts. It came from nothing. And that's it. You can't comprehend nothingness cause it doesn't exist.
So that means Science cant explain it
a explosion cant come from nothing
something that causes an explosion cant come from nothing

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by Chewy
How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

Red Shift whats "Red Shift?"

Basically it's how the wavelength of light appears to be longer from distant stars etc because they are travelling away from us.

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by Chewy
How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

Red Shift whats "Red Shift?"

it is a wave on the red part of the spectrum because it is in the red part of the spectrum anything that produces it (galaxy's) must be moving away and because the distant galaxies are producing it they must be moving away so if they are moving away there must have been some effect to make them move away The Big Bang

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

red shift also proves the universe is expanding

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
Originally posted by Chewy
How do scientists now that the Big Bang existed?

Red Shift whats "Red Shift?"

it is a wave on the red part of the spectrum because it is in the red part of the spectrum anything that produces it (galaxy's) must be moving away and because the distant galaxies are producing it they must be moving away so if they are moving away there must have been some effect to make them move away The Big Bang ahh thanks for explaining:spin2:

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

just to scare you

when they start to see Blue shift the universe is collapsing on it self

[J.C.]

Originally posted by ☺♥BB5♥☻&
just to scare you

when they start to see Blue shift the universe is collapsing on it self

Ah well, at least we will get some notice before hand. Or rather they will. lol

[Jack]

You can expereince red shift and blue shift on Earth. You know how an ambulance's siren seems to change putch as it travels towards you then away from you? That's because, from your perspective, the wavelength appears to be shorter then longer because the sound being made is catching up with the sound travelling to your ear.

[Scarlett.]

The Red shift = expand
The Blue shift= Collapse
got it

but I belive god must have made the big bang
and scientists are unable to challenge that

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
The Red shift = expand
The Blue shift= Collapse
got it

but I belive god must have made the big bang
and scientists are unable to challenge that

Who made God then? You say science can't answer what happened before the Big Bang but religion can't answer what happened before God.

[cepb]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
The Red shift = expand
The Blue shift= Collapse
got it

but I belive god must have made the big bang
and scientists are unable to challenge that

Who made God then? You say science can't answer what happened before the Big Bang but religion can't answer what happened before God.
I think we can make God and The Big Bang, co-inhabit our theories on the birth of the universe, if we want.

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

Originally posted by Jack
You can expereince red shift and blue shift on Earth. You know how an ambulance's siren seems to change putch as it travels towards you then away from you? That's because, from your perspective, the wavelength appears to be shorter then longer because the sound being made is catching up with the sound travelling to your ear.


Yep
Its called the Doppler Effect

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Chewy
The Red shift = expand
The Blue shift= Collapse
got it

but I belive god must have made the big bang
and scientists are unable to challenge that

Who made God then? You say science can't answer what happened before the Big Bang but religion can't answer what happened before God.
God is infinate, he always has and always will be

[☺♥BB5♥☻&]

no offence to anyone but i see the world God as just a comfort

i would like to believe in god but i know to much

its not always good to be smart