Post Count Frustration

[~Kizwiz~]

I am sorry to have to say but I am finding this site so frustrating at the moment.

Some people seem to be obsessed with jacking up their post count so much that its leading to meaningless thoughless posts that to be fair, put me right off coming here and enjoying the site.

Nobody seems to be able to explain their opinions anymore.

Its just quick fire responces without a debate.

Its a shame really...... hence why I dont come here and post very often

:bawling:

[Ruth*Star]

I'm not so bothered by my post count, I'd like it to be at 10k before Xmas, but that won't change my posting, I'll post the same things, but i think people posting do you like this site on general site, do you think this is funny is tiresome.

I understand where you are coming from.

[Matt]

Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...

[Conor]

I don't really care, although they could put a limit of 35 -40 posts a day.

[Bells]

I've noticed it too. It tends to happen with newer members though, so maybe they're taking longer to settle down. You tend to care about it less and less as time goes on, I've seen. But I can't imagine what the reaction would have been if the site was the way it was before (i.e. you could see your post number every time you posted, and even Chat&Games posts counted).

I think the new system where you still have a post count but it's put in terms of 5000+, 10000+ etc. is much better, not to mention Chat&Games posts not counting. There shouldn't be a limit though, because sometimes posts really are insightful - especially when there's a lot to talk about.

Anyway, it's a shame you're put off coming to the site. You've been a good member for ages so shouldn’t stop now. Just visit sometimes and post in the threads you feel are worth posting in.

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by Matt
Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...


your the worst culprit of wanting to boast your post counts Matt

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : kizwiz
I am sorry to have to say but I am finding this site so frustrating at the moment.

Some people seem to be obsessed with jacking up their post count so much that its leading to meaningless thoughless posts that to be fair, put me right off coming here and enjoying the site.

Nobody seems to be able to explain their opinions anymore.

Its just quick fire responces without a debate.

Its a shame really...... hence why I dont come here and post very often

:bawling:

That's what I try to explain for ages, instead of having good debates with new people they are obsessed with their post count ! That's why I dislike most of them, only the post count exists and not the debate.
I agree Kiz ! :thumbs:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Ash
I've noticed it too. It tends to happen with newer members though, so maybe they're taking longer to settle down. But I can't imagine what the reaction would have been if the site was the way it was before (i.e. you could see your post number every time you posted, and even Chat&Games posts counted). I think the new system where you still have a post count but it's put in terms of 5000+, 10000+ etc. is much better, not to mention Chat&Games posts not counting.


Your spot on there Ash, it has changed the way people post but I find now the goals are greater as people are rushing to get to 5k,10k etc. And of course chat and games not counting as I remember that peoples post count could go up by 1000 in one week :shocked:

But its also the quality of posts..... that seems to have gone out of the window.


Anyway, it's a shame you're put off coming to the site. You've been a good member for ages so shouldn’t stop now. Just visit sometimes and post in the threads you feel are worth posting in.

I still visit, and I wont stop because this place holds somany lovely memories for me :lovedup:

I just look and very rarely see a thread that appeals to me :sad:

[Retroman]

Originally posted by Ash
I think the new system where you still have a post count but it's put in terms of 5000+, 10000+ etc. is much better, not to mention Chat&Games posts not counting.

I think that's a good point to make, as it also counts for 500+ and 1000+ etc, which would help to detour people from posting too much in some cases.

Although I know exactly what you mean...
Some people [I won't name any names, but im sure they know who they are.] submit posts that consist entirely of "lol"

Or just one simple sentence that really didn't need to be said.

They're all aware this is a forum, and not a chatroom or instant message, yet they still insist on posting next to nothing in order to raise their post count.

It's just plain irritating to sit and watch them post like that in my opinion, it's posting for selfish motives rather than trying to fit into the community and have decent conversations.

Im also convinced some people are insisting on posting too much in order to gain such a high post count...that people will respect them and think they are valued members due to so many posts.

Or even because they're secretly hoping for a staff position due to their excessive posting.

Which won't happen =] so they might as well stop now.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Matt
Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...


your the worst culprit of wanting to boast your post counts Matt
I dont really want this thread to start agruements or get locked...... so please play nice

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Matt
Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...


your the worst culprit of wanting to boast your post counts Matt
I dont really want this thread to start agruements or get locked...... so please play nice

i dont mean for it to be an argument but he must have the highest post rate on here

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by sunshine30

That's what I try to explain for ages, instead of having good debates with new people they are obsessed with their post count ! That's why I dislike most of them, only the post count exists and not the debate.
I agree Kiz ! :thumbs:

Debates dont happen anymore tho do they??? Because of people ruining the debate by putting silly short responces that kill the thread

Originally posted by Retroman

Although I know exactly what you mean...
Some people [I won't name any names, but Im sure they know who they are.] submit posts that consist entirely of "lol"

Or just one simple sentence that really didn't need to be said.

They're all aware this is a forum, and not a chatroom or instant message, yet they still insist on posting next to nothing in order to raise their post count.

It's just plain irritating to sit and watch them post like that in my opinion, it's posting for selfish motives rather than trying to fit into the community and have decent conversations.

Im also convinced some people are insisting on posting too much in order to gain such a high post count...that people will respect them and think they are valued members due to so many posts.

Or even because they're secretly hoping for a staff position due to their excessive posting.

Which won't happen =] so they might as well stop now.

I dont look at post count to be fair, it doesnt matter to me if someone has 5 or 5000 posts but your bang on the nail about one line posts that add nothing to the site

And its not a chatroom....its a forum where people who create thread want to debate and discuss thoughts and ideas..... and the responce "lol" ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

whats the point in responding like that....I would rather see someone saying "yes, I agree because ........."

it makes a much worthwhile forum to be fair

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Matt
Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...


your the worst culprit of wanting to boast your post counts Matt
I dont really want this thread to start agruements or get locked...... so please play nice

i dont mean for it to be an argument but he must have the highest post rate on here
Actually Red Moon has the Highest Post count.

[Mrluvaluva]

Do you not think newer features on the main page like "most posts today" for example. actually encourage this sort of behaviour? I am sure some members would try and get their post count up for such a feature. I mean, does it matter who has posted the most in a day?

[BigSister]

I know what you mean Kizzy i mean im a culprit of posting in the + - games but i like playing in those threads maybe if we moved them to the chat/games it would stop it. But it just the 1 word threads that really annoy me i know what you mean by that

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star

Actually Red Moon has the Highest Post count.

Your right, but I have never ever seen him post a useless pointless reply... plus he has been a feature of this site for years :joker:

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Matt
Aw I know what you mean Kiz... it frustrates me a little too...


your the worst culprit of wanting to boast your post counts Matt
I dont really want this thread to start agruements or get locked...... so please play nice

i dont mean for it to be an argument but he must have the highest post rate on here
Actually Red Moon has the Highest Post count.

no i mean post per day

matt = 29.86 messages per day
red moon = 17.21 messages per day

[Ruth*Star]

^Oh right, i thought you meant overall, Sorry!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : kizwiz

Your spot on there Ash, it has changed the way people post but I find now the goals are greater as people are rushing to get to 5k,10k etc. And of course chat and games not counting as I remember that peoples post count could go up by 1000 in one week :shocked:

But its also the quality of posts..... that seems to have gone out of the window.

I have to say, I posted 1000 posts in a week but I haven't made pointless posts at all. :thumbs:

It's quite sad to see that there is no more debates, the old TIBB is officially dead.

New members are so obsessed about the post count, it doesn't show anything, they have to understand that.

[spitfire]

All forums should get rid of 'post counts'.What are the benifits of them?Anyone know.

[Nicola]

I think quality posts over quantity counts, I've never really been competitive over how many posts I have in relation to everyone else. I know I'd never get chance to be "Most posts today" and don't care that it's never me that's up there.

[Retroman]

Ive been having a few debates lately...
So they are still possible to have.

But they seem rather limited to the serious debate forum.
Which could be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it.

I hate to sound stereotypical/judgemental, but I think age often comes into the situation.

The majority of younger members post excessively...
We do have fourteen year olds here afterall.

[BB8:(]

i think the post count should be got rid off all together

any you can tell if someone is a good member by there registration date (at least that can be edited)

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by sunshine30

I have to say, I posted 1000 posts in a week but I haven't made pointless posts at all. :thumbs:

It's quite sad to see that there is no more debates, the old TIBB is officially dead.
New members are so obsessed about the post count, it doesn't show anything, they have to understand that.

All your posts are worthwhile..... in fact I was saying that to Red Moon last night :flower:

Debate is over :bawling:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nicola
I think quality posts over quantity counts, I've never really been competitive over how many posts I have in relation to everyone else. I know I'd never get chance to be "Most posts today" and don't care that it's never me that's up there.

I am the same Nic, I dont see posts numbers..... I dont even know when I go over a certain milestone

I would much rather have quality than it be a race to the finish

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by Retroman
The majority of younger members post excessively...
We do have fourteen year olds here afterall.

we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Retroman
Ive been having a few debates lately...
So they are still possible to have.

But they seem rather limited to the serious debate forum.
Which could be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it.

I hate to sound stereotypical/judgemental, but I think age often comes into the situation.

The majority of younger members post excessively...
We do have fourteen year olds here afterall.

I dont think that you can class age as a problem..... the site has always had various ages for years and years and yet we've always maintained a balanced forum and post responces.

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Nicola
I think quality posts over quantity counts, I've never really been competitive over how many posts I have in relation to everyone else. I know I'd never get chance to be "Most posts today" and don't care that it's never me that's up there.

I am the same Nic, I dont see posts numbers..... I dont even know when I go over a certain milestone

I would much rather have quality than it be a race to the finish

this thread doesnt help
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=37915

[Retroman]

Originally posted by BB8:(
we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea

Ah well, 18+ sections usually tend to have swearing in them...
Some forums even have 18+ sections with sexually explicit material.

I don't think that would be good for TiBB's image.

I think most young members who are a little immature and post excessively, usually text type too...or say inappropriate things. So most of them are probably dealt with.

And of course, older members can be just as guilty for excessive posting.

[Matt]

I agree BigSister, +1-1 games take their toll. Also, when you have an active graphics request thread and lots of fan-made designs to share...

I don't think that post counts should be deleted, but I do think that features that encourage people to post, such as the "Today's Top Poster" box and showing the member list ordered by who has the most posts could be removed.

[Benji]

Why dont we start a petition, explaining how we should get rid of post count, i mean - what real meaning has it got? and what does it bring to the site?

I think at the moment, people probably think i have been posting mad, the only reason i have been posting alot is due to me wanting to try and carry on really good threads that have been destroyed by members that leave just one word answers.

I may be contridicitng myself a little - lol

Ben

[Sam!]

I find it annoying too, its not about how many posts the person has its about what is in the post.

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by BB8:(
we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea

Ah well, 18+ sections usually tend to have swearing in them...
Some forums even have 18+ sections with sexually explicit material.

I don't think that would be good for TiBB's image.

I think most young members who are a little immature and post excessively, usually text type too...or say inappropriate things. So most of them are probably dealt with.

And of course, older members can be just as guilty for excessive posting.

im sure sub section could be put in place

[Harry!]

:whistle:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by BB8:(
we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea

Ah well, 18+ sections usually tend to have swearing in them...
Some forums even have 18+ sections with sexually explicit material.

I don't think that would be good for TiBB's image.

I think most young members who are a little immature and post excessively, usually text type too...or say inappropriate things. So most of them are probably dealt with.

And of course, older members can be just as guilty for excessive posting.

Your right, TiBB doesnt exculed young members, and its good that all ages are welcome.

I have had great debates in the past with younger members, Corkie, Zolia, Kore just for example.

Corkie was 12 when he joined and he was a great, thoughful and inteligent poster

so and over 18 section would just turn into a flirting and swearing fest

[Matt]

Originally posted by Benji
Why dont we start a petition, explaining how we should get rid of post count, i mean - what real meaning has it got? and what does it bring to the site?

I think at the moment, people probably think i have been posting mad, the only reason i have been posting alot is due to me wanting to try and carry on really good threads that have been destroyed by members that leave just one word answers.

I may be contridicitng myself a little - lol

Ben

Are you sure?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=71832

[Ruth*Star]

The post's that annoy me the most is post's with one smiley in them, what use are they to the forum.

[Ann]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Retroman
The majority of younger members post excessively...
We do have fourteen year olds here afterall.

we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea why do you want it to have a section for over 18s when its a mixed age forum i would love to know why ?:conf2:

[Benji]

omg! - ^ pointless - I cant carry on the deabate with that can i ?

So, Yeah i think we should do something about the post count.

[Matt]

Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:

No offence but you're one of the worst culprits lol... your average post count is 61 posts a day!

[Retroman]

I hate to say it...
But I think a few people might gain a little insentive for posting, due to the post count.

They might not post excessively, but knowing their post count is slowly rising is a somehow comforting feeling for some members.

If we're all equal, with no post counts, it would most definitely stop people from excessive posting [unless they were just plain immature/spamming.]

But like I said, some people do find a slightly enhanced reason to post from knowing their post count is increasing. Removing it completely might damage the activity of the forum.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Benji
Why dont we start a petition, explaining how we should get rid of post count, i mean - what real meaning has it got? and what does it bring to the site?

I think at the moment, people probably think i have been posting mad, the only reason i have been posting alot is due to me wanting to try and carry on really good threads that have been destroyed by members that leave just one word answers.

I may be contridicitng myself a little - lol

Ben

Its not post count thats the problem.... its the quality of the posts thats at debate here

[Matt]

Originally posted by Benji
omg! - ^ pointless - I cant carry on the deabate with that can i ?

So, Yeah i think we should do something about the post count.

:whistle:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=71832

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:
My point exactly :rolleyes:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:

No offence but you're one of the worst culprits lol... your average post count is 61 posts a day!

im post and poll mad![hence my name!]

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:
My point exactly :rolleyes:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ditto! Thats the point i made a few posts back.

[Callum]

Originally posted by postandpollmad
Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:

No offence but you're one of the worst culprits lol... your average post count is 61 posts a day!

Im post and poll mad![hence my name!]

There's no need to go over the top, though.

[Sam!]

Like i said before it dunt matter about numbers but if you post complete crap or just a smiley then it does matter like Kizwiz is saying.

[Ann]

and i agree with Matt and Kiz here it is very pointless just either putting a smiley or just writing out a extremly small message with a couple of words :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Ann]

Originally posted by Callum
Originally posted by postandpollmad
Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:

No offence but you're one of the worst culprits lol... your average post count is 61 posts a day!

Im post and poll mad![hence my name!]

There's no need to go over the top, though. you tell them Callum :dance2:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:
My point exactly :rolleyes:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ditto! Thats the point i made a few posts back.
You know what.... it angers me that I try and raise a valid point about quality of posts that has got some great responces and a debate going and then someone posts a smilie as a responce

Point Closed!!!!! :rolleyes::bored:
I am glad someone else agrees.

[Scarlett.]

Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont get me started on +1-1 games, I got my posts count to what it is, by posting about topics, same as the rest of the guys on here, I mean it'd be nice to have an extra red star, but that can wait, its not important

[Legend]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by BB8:(
we i did ask for an over 18 section but everyone else thought it was a bad idea

Ah well, 18+ sections usually tend to have swearing in them...
Some forums even have 18+ sections with sexually explicit material.

I don't think that would be good for TiBB's image.

I think most young members who are a little immature and post excessively, usually text type too...or say inappropriate things. So most of them are probably dealt with.

And of course, older members can be just as guilty for excessive posting.

Im sure sub section could be put in place

Yeah, why not? Let's add a sub-forum for members like you who have been here 6 days, a sub-forum that members who have been here for 2/3 years are not allowed to go in? If that happened then I'm sure TiBB would lose a lot of members.

As for post count, you are obviously going to get meaningless crap posted and however much everyone says we hate it, it's never going to stop, it's a shame but it's true. That said, I don't think post count should be removed as it's part of the forum and yeah, people will abuse it but people also abuse the use of smilies and use them constantly but the smilies shouldn't go. People will abuse all features of the forum, intentionally or not unfourtunately.

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by postandpollmad
:whistle:
My point exactly :rolleyes:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ditto! Thats the point i made a few posts back.
You know what.... it angers me that I try and raise a valid point about quality of posts that has got some great responces and a debate going and then someone posts a smilie as a responce

Point Closed!!!!! :rolleyes::bored:
I am glad someone else agrees.
Yeah, I don't think posting a Smiley add's anything to this debate we have going here, it just is pointless and just doesn't add anything or putting anything across.

[~Kizwiz~]

I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it wouldnt work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting

[Ann]

that is a brilliant idea too Kiz good thinking to there :laugh3::laugh3:

[Harry!]

good idea.........

[Ruth*Star]

Thats a Brillant Idea Kiz, its cool that you've linked it to Karma.

[Retroman]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it would work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting

That sounds like a positive idea to me...
Though im not sure what the administrators view would be on having the extra responsibility to examine posts and leave karma points.

Perhaps a team devoted to your idea would produce better results.

Either official staff eg. Post Assessors.

Or a topic where people can apply and the administrators choose who is suitable, then put them on a list.

The topic could be stickied/pinned to let people know who are on the list of people who examine posts and leave karma. Without the need to make a staff position for them.

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it wouldnt work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting


dont you remember wot Girth and Mrluvaluva got up to with there personal vendetta

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : kizwiz
Originally posted by sunshine30

I have to say, I posted 1000 posts in a week but I haven't made pointless posts at all. :thumbs:

It's quite sad to see that there is no more debates, the old TIBB is officially dead.
New members are so obsessed about the post count, it doesn't show anything, they have to understand that.

All your posts are worthwhile..... in fact I was saying that to Red Moon last night :flower:

Debate is over :bawling:

Thanks Kiz I do appreciate what you said ! :thumbs:
And I agree 100% with you, no prob about that.

[Legend]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it would work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting

I don't like the idea that mods and admins would be able to give and take away karma as they see fit as why them? Yeah they do a great job on the site but who's to say the system wouldn't be abused that way? The mods obviously have their favourite members and they would obviously give a load to them and vice versa as they probably have their least favourite members.

Also, all members are able to decide whether a good, thoughtful post has been made or whether a silly one and should therefore be able to give or take away the karma. I just don't think it would be right to allow some people to have special karma powers as appose to others.

[BB8:(]

as far as i see it the post count feature should be got rid of

i have only been a member since wednesday and i can all ready recall 2 threads where members have said that they must be right because they have a high post count

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it wouldnt work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting


dont you remember wot Girth and Mrluvaluva got up to with there personal vendetta
whats that got to do with this debate???

[Legend]

Originally posted by BB8:(
as far as i see it the post count feature should be got rid of

i have only been a member since wednesday and i can all ready recall 2 threads where members have said that they must be right because they have a high post count

How long have you been a guest for though?

Post count is all part of the forum, the admin have compromised so much with the post count by moving it to 5000+, 10000+ etc as well as having it not work in the Chat & Games, people want it to stay how it is, it shouldn't go as it is part of the forum.

[Harry!]

post count should stay!

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
I have just been thinking on how to promote good thoughful posting and I think I have found a good solution.

Use the karma system, members can add or remove karma every three hours but mods and admin should have the power to give out points and take away points for good and bad posts whenever they feel free.

If they see someone has added a thoughful post +
if a silly responce has been made -

simple really

exept it wouldnt work for some as we have the right to switch it off... but it would be a possitive step towards better posting


dont you remember wot Girth and Mrluvaluva got up to with there personal vendetta
whats that got to do with this debate???

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Legend

Post count is all part of the forum, the admin have compromised so much with the post count by moving it to 5000+, 10000+ etc as well as having it not work in the Chat & Games, people want it to stay how it is, it shouldn't go as it is part of the forum.

Your right Ant, the post count system is spot on.... its the posts that make the difference.

[Retroman]

Lol I think postandpollmad has wandered into the worst forum possible for him...

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

[Legend]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

I think he/she is refering to your suggestion about the Mods and Admin having unlimited karma powers so they might abuse it.

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

[Captain.Remy]

TIBB is not as it used to be, in the past we (old members) didn't think about the post count and we had great debates, at the beginning I didn't realise that it does exist, only one month after someone told me what the numbers meant.

I'm really sad to see how TIBB has changed in the bad way but fortunatly the old members like Kiz does understand us. And she's so right to tell what's happening cause we need a discussion like that.

Bad posters should get banned for bad posts, only and only if it happend plenty of times, all day long. I don't target anyone of course.

I think it's quite weird the fact that old members have to take the habits of the new ones, it's scandalous, we have to be sad, angry of being agressed for anything. Newbies should respect the rules and respect our opinions.

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Retroman
Lol I think postandpollmad has wandered into the worst forum possible for him...

im confused :shocked::conf::shocked:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Legend


I think he/she is refering to your suggestion about the Mods and Admin having unlimited karma powers so they might abuse it.

I dont think that would happen to be fair, as all karma is logged and admins can check whats been dished out.


I think we have a really good selection of admins and mods who would be fair

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Who??? Admins and mods?

[Ann]

Originally posted by sunshine30
TIBB is not as it used to be, in the past we (old members) didn't think about the post count and we had great debates, at the beginning I didn't realise that it does exist, only one month after someone told me what the numbers meant.

I'm really sad to see how TIBB has changed in the bad way but fortunatly the old members like Kiz does understand us. And she's so right to tell what's happening cause we need a discussion like that.

Bad posters should get banned for bad posts, only and only if it happend plenty of times, all day long. I don't target anyone of course.

I think it's quite weird the fact that old members have to take the habits of the new ones, it's scandalous, we have to be sad, angry of being agressed for anything. Newbies should respect the rules and respect our opinions. that is so true sunshine30 i totally agree:hug:

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Who??? Admins and mods?

[Legend]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Legend


I think he/she is refering to your suggestion about the Mods and Admin having unlimited karma powers so they might abuse it.

I dont think that would happen to be fair, as all karma is logged and admins can check whats been dished out.


I think we have a really good selection of admins and mods who would be fair

I'm not questioning that, it's a great selection of Mods but personally, as great as they are on the forum, I don't think they should have excessive karma powers, favourtism will always come into at some point (even if it's not intentional, kind of :tongue:), especially as they'd have unlimited powers and could therefore dish it out as much as they wanted.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Who??? Admins and mods?

I know I'm shocked like you ! :conf2:

[Conor]

Post count should be gotton rid of, I've been a member of about 2 months and have only posted an average of about 5 posts a day.

Some members have been here for a matter of weeks, and are well on their way of 1000 posts!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Legend
I'm not questioning that, it's a great selection of Mods but personally, as great as they are on the forum, I don't think they should have excessive karma powers, favourtism will always come into at some point (even if it's not intentional, kind of :tongue:), especially as they'd have unlimited powers and could therefore dish it out as much as they wanted.

But they have the right now to deal out a warning so it would just be an extension of that system.

But I do see your point about excessive karma dishing out.

But something needs to be done about the one word/one line spamming

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Who??? Admins and mods?

Who lowered what????

[BB8:(]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

in other word people that dont like other people will mark them down even if they dont deserve to be marked down

Nooo... I asked you what that "issue" you raked up had anything to do with post count?????

Please enlighten me

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Who??? Admins and mods?

Who lowered what????

im not saying they did but girth and mrluvluv probably did lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : BB8:(

Im not saying they did but girth and mrluvluv probably did lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

And where's the problem ? The Karma system is here in order to "punish" the bad posters, and I don't think Luva is like you said, I know him. If he did low some karmas it was for good reasons.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BB8:(
Im not saying they did but girth and mrluvluv probably did lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

Thats rather presumtous to assume that :shocked:

and thats blatant targeting of members which isnt allowed on this forum

and besides..... we are talking about post count and quality of posts.

[Billy]

People who keep posting just to get their post count up annoys me. Its not how many times you post a day, because someone can post LOADS a day, but still make interesting posts, but there seems to be alot of members (not just new ones), that post just for teh sake of posting and it annoys me

[Ann]

Originally posted by OfficialSuperstar
People who keep posting just to get their post count up annoys me. Its not how many times you post a day, because someone can post LOADS a day, but still make interesting posts, but there seems to be alot of members (not just new ones), that post just for teh sake of posting and it annoys me well said officialsuperstar :hug:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : OfficialSuperstar
People who keep posting just to get their post count up annoys me. Its not how many times you post a day, because someone can post LOADS a day, but still make interesting posts, but there seems to be alot of members (not just new ones), that post just for teh sake of posting and it annoys me

I do agree, some posts like "lol" do annoy me so much ! It's so weird !
Fortunatly great members and good posters are still there in order to keep TIBB as I knew it.

Some people did reproach me to blame the new members, but I'm sorry when I read what's happening with them, I have to say what I'm thinking and some did agree with me.

Old members shouldn't be embarassed anylonger to post and to express their opinions, weird members won't make the laws !

[Legend]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Legend
I'm not questioning that, it's a great selection of Mods but personally, as great as they are on the forum, I don't think they should have excessive karma powers, favourtism will always come into at some point (even if it's not intentional, kind of :tongue:), especially as they'd have unlimited powers and could therefore dish it out as much as they wanted.

But they have the right now to deal out a warning so it would just be an extension of that system.

But I do see your point about excessive karma dishing out.

But something needs to be done about the one word/one line spamming

Yeah, they can dish out a warning if members break the rules but by adding this new ''karma power'' then they have the power to add or deduct as they please whether they break the rules or not. Whearas with the warnings, they have to have a valid reason, i.e. somebody breaking a rule of the forum.

Something does need to be done definatly but not excessively where people right ''X to win'' and they get a warning for not giving a 3 line response as to why.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by BB8:(

i sure they lowered the karma of the person they were targeting

FYI Nodis had his karma turned off so it would have been impossible even if I had thought of such a thing, And there was no "vendetta". Nodis was a nasty peice of work who brought the forum down. Just so you are clear on that.

[Dan_]

Throughout my time on this forum there has always been a small minority of posters who do just post for the sake of it, rather than than think thoroughly about their replies it just ends up being silly stuff with the sole intention of boosting post count, I just don't understand people's obsession with getting a massive post count through posting crap replies, it's only a number and it's not going to gain you any favour with the other members here, you'll just end up annoying people with silly replies that add nothing to a thread.

The changing of how post count is displayed has played a part in stopping people being silly in their replies but it's still not stopped others.

I think people need to think a little more before they post, something I've seen recently creeping in is people posting in topics about things of no interest to them, it's just a reply of"I don't like it".Why!?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dan_
"I don't like it".Why!?

Why...exactly...... I always want to follow silly quick answers with..... "why???"

Because thats how a debate continues.I have noticed so many threads die and wither down the list because people respond with short posts that dont bring anything to the topic..... its even happened in this thread :rolleyes:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : �hris..x
Sorry I dont mean to point a finger at anyone but postandpollmad is annoying me now

Sorry he has been here for 9 Days and has got 591 Posts (62.39 messages per day) On the 1st Day I think he got about 300 posts or somthing Basicly Power Posting is Stuped with his slogan ''postandpollmad by name - postandpollmad by nature!'' means thats all he is here to do I LOVE Posting but not like 50 posts a day

There should be a 23 a Day Post's Because Peapol like him will still do it :sad:

But there agen some peapol on here may want to post more than that an not power post so its NOT Fair

And you said you aren't targetting anyone, just read the rules, what you said and what you have done is against the TIBB rules, actually you do annoy me ! :thumbs:

[Callum]

Originally posted by ©hris..x
Sorry I dont mean to point a finger at anyone but postandpollmad is annoying me now

Sorry he has been here for 9 Days and has got 591 Posts (62.39 messages per day) On the 1st Day I think he got about 300 posts or somthing Basicly Power Posting is Stuped with his slogan ''postandpollmad by name - postandpollmad by nature!'' means thats all he is here to do I LOVE Posting but not like 50 posts a day

There should be a 23 a Day Post's Because Peapol like him will still do it :sad:

But there agen some peapol on here may want to post more than that an not power post so its NOT Fair

I'm sorry, but that's just not nice.

There's nothing more worse than targeting members, and that's exactly what you have done in your post.

I suggest you should apologise to postandpollmad i'm sorry but that was out of order.

[Ann]

well said there Callum he shouldn,t have said that really :sad:

[Ruth*Star]

He shouldn't of said it but i understand why he has said it, that's all i have to say.

[Magic]

I have been a member since april, and i only post when i feel necessesary.
Now Big Brother is over i usually only post in the Games area.

Over-Excessive posters, take note.

And lets not target Chris, he has his opioions, and he let them out, even if it was a tad unesasary,.

[Chri$]

Ohhh Holy Moly Sorry I Diddent mean it in the wrong way its just randome posts are stuped and I wanted to get my Point accross but I diddent mean it in a bad way

[Jackie]

Someone keeps bringing threads up that are out of date like "jonty to win" What do you think of david? if these are not posts counts why are these threads coming out?

[Callum]

Originally posted by jackie46
Someone keeps bringing threads up that are out of date like "jonty to win" What do you think of david? if these are not posts counts why are these threads coming out?

Thanks you Jackie. Someone else recognises this. Lots of old threads are popping up for no particular reason really, it's quite annoying, to be honest.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Callum
Originally posted by jackie46
Someone keeps bringing threads up that are out of date like "jonty to win" What do you think of david? if these are not posts counts why are these threads coming out?

Thanks you Jackie. Someone else recognises this. Lots of old threads are popping up for no particular reason really, it's quite annoying, to be honest.

Oh good im not the only one thats noticed why answer the question when the shows over ages ago this only must be for post counts i think.

[Callum]

Yes, definitley. I'm glad Kiz has brought up this thread actually, it's good to know what other people think on the issue as well.

[Shaun]

I'm not too sure really, there are a few people who do just post randomness and make endless polls, which irritates me (no names needed :laugh2:). I don't think I'm a culprit though...although I do post quite frequently on the +1-1 threads.

[Matt08]

The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

Yeah good idea!

[Chri$]

Originally posted by Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

^^^^^ Thats what I was trying to say but It came out wrong

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

thanks a lot matthew:sad: i just joined and this is what i see? a thread slagging off new members, how charming! should i go back from the door i came in through, just to make older members feel better bout themselves. I am not here to be annoying or break rules and i'm happy to make friends with more established members, but this opinion stinks id say

Who's wrecking this forum? it looks fine to me.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

thanks a lot matthew:sad: i just joined and this is what i see? a thread slagging off new members, how charming! should i go back from the door i came in through, just to make older members feel better bout themselves. I am not here to be annoying or break rules and i'm happy to make friends with more established members, but this opinion stinks id say

Who's wrecking this forum? it looks fine to me.

I said MOST new members and it's obvious to me that your not a new member that is ruining the forum.

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Matthew
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

thanks a lot matthew:sad: i just joined and this is what i see? a thread slagging off new members, how charming! should i go back from the door i came in through, just to make older members feel better bout themselves. I am not here to be annoying or break rules and i'm happy to make friends with more established members, but this opinion stinks id say

Who's wrecking this forum? it looks fine to me.

I said MOST new members and it's obvious to me that your not a new member that is ruining the forum.

okay Matthew, i take your point but I just didnt like the idea you have of locking new members registrations, it sounded like you wanted to keep new members from joing this forum, so the older members can have it all to themselves thats all, hardly seems fair

[Matt08]

When people have been around for a long time on here, it's a shame to see a minority of new members ruining the forum for the rest, that's all. Your a nice and friendly new member :spin2:

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Matthew
When people have been around for a long time on here, it's a shame to see a minority of new members ruining the forum for the rest, that's all. Your a nice and friendly new member :spin2:

Thankyou Matthew, i can be a bitch at times, but only if someone starts on me

[Benji]

Originally posted by Callum
Originally posted by jackie46
Someone keeps bringing threads up that are out of date like "jonty to win" What do you think of david? if these are not posts counts why are these threads coming out?

Thanks you Jackie. Someone else recognises this. Lots of old threads are popping up for no particular reason really, it's quite annoying, to be honest.


So what if its annoying, but, Thats the part of a forum, If its old or new its still something to talk about and that that member may be interested in.

I can understand why you may be anoyed.

Ben

[spitfire]

Ive still not seen a post that states the benifits of having a post count on this/any forum.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matthew
The majority of new members are annoying and constantly break the rules. The regulars are a nice bunch, why can't the newbies be aswell?
They're wrecking the forum. Maybe if they ruin the forum anymore the admins should consider locking new member registrations.

Can't agree more, most of the new members ruin the forum, the registrations should close for a long time, just in order for thing to calm down a little bit and to have en enjoyable forum to read.

No offence new members, but I was one of the first member here, with Matthew and more to claim that and to open our mouths about it, it's not against new members in general, we've made a conclusion and we found out that new members take part in 80% in the damages.

[Mrluvaluva]

I can't think offhand about any positive reasons for having a post count, and I think we should do away with todays top poster on the main page. As this most probably won't happen, I suggest all the -1/+1 games be moved to chat and games where they belong. Maybe Mark would like to have some input on this debate?

[Sunny_01]

Firstly new members to this site will always be welcomed with open arms, they have every right to regsiter and join this forum in the same way each of us did when we were "newbies" we all have equal status here whether we have been here 3 years or 3 hours. When do people stop being a newbie? who decides that? in my eyes those that joined in the last 12 months are newbies still so hey!!

Another point is I think Kiz was right to open this thread and made a few great suggestions but I for one as a MOD would not want the extra responsibility of deciding if someones post was any good, I just dont think thats my role on this forum at all.

I think we all need to be more tolerant of each other, I think those longer term members could offer gentle guidance and support to newer members rather than jumping on them for the things they do wrong.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Sunny_01
Firstly new members to this site will always be welcomed with open arms, they have every right to regsiter and join this forum in the same way each of us did when we were "newbies" we all have equal status here whether we have been here 3 years or 3 hours. When do people stop being a newbie? who decides that? in my eyes those that joined in the last 12 months are newbies still so hey!!

Another point is I think Kiz was right to open this thread and made a few great suggestions but I for one as a MOD would not want the extra responsibility of deciding if someones post was any good, I just dont think thats my role on this forum at all.

I think we all need to be more tolerant of each other, I think those longer term members could offer gentle guidance and support to newer members rather than jumping on them for the things they do wrong.

Well we aren't jumping on them, we have been always nice with them, we do help them when they don't know how to post etc... but when they do that during more than a month, that's quite annoying isn't it ?
Of course we will welcome us with open arms, but they have to respect the rules, respect the different opinions, respect the others and don't make stupid threads or being obsessed by their post count.

I wouldn't say that if it was only 2 or 3 members but it does happen at all the time and for ages, so it does annoy me and I'm not the only one.

[Ruth*Star]

The Locking registration thing isn't a bad idea (Don't Flame me)
I mean on another forum I'm on, the registrations get opened the first week of every month so people still get to join, it also lowers the viagra bots aswell.
How about that as a idea.

[Captain.Remy]

I do agree with Ruth, closed registration is a good idea, like in demonoid, too much members kill members.

[Magic]

Originally posted by sunshine30
I do agree with Ruth, closed registration is a good idea, like in demonoid, too much members kill members.

Thats a good idea Ruth.
I agree Sunshine30, a more personnal forum is a much happier forum.

When new members sign up, why not stop them from posting for the first week of there stay. That way, they can expect the forum in closer detail.

P.S - I was reading the forum a year before i decided to sign up!

[Matt08]

Some great points Remy and Ruth. Hopefully the new registration thing will be changed so that people can only sign up once a month or something.

[Magic]

My Idea...

Cut Post counts all together

Then allow people signed up for one week be allowed to post 30 posts, Two weeks 60 posts, three weeks 60 posts, and four weeks unlimited posts. This might get members taught to only posting reasonable posts.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Magic-Shoes
My Idea...

Cut Post counts all together

Then allow people signed up for one week be allowed to post 30 posts, Two weeks 60 posts, three weeks 60 posts, and four weeks unlimited posts. This might get members taught to only posting reasonable posts.

That might not work because they'll still post useless things with their 30 posts.

[Bells]

I think new members being able to join when they wish makes TiBB a much friendlier place though. And it welcomes diversity and different sorts of people to talk to... to be honest I feel the main problem is simply people not settling down. I think in time they'll most likely get bored of posting or too busy to post constantly just for the sake of it. Often it's just the novelty that's exciting.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matthew
Originally posted by Magic-Shoes
My Idea...

Cut Post counts all together

Then allow people signed up for one week be allowed to post 30 posts, Two weeks 60 posts, three weeks 60 posts, and four weeks unlimited posts. This might get members taught to only posting reasonable posts.

That might not work because they'll still post useless things with their 30 posts.

You get the ideaQ :P

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : Sunny_01
Firstly new members to this site will always be welcomed with open arms, they have every right to regsiter and join this forum in the same way each of us did when we were "newbies" we all have equal status here whether we have been here 3 years or 3 hours. When do people stop being a newbie? who decides that? in my eyes those that joined in the last 12 months are newbies still so hey!!

Another point is I think Kiz was right to open this thread and made a few great suggestions but I for one as a MOD would not want the extra responsibility of deciding if someones post was any good, I just dont think thats my role on this forum at all.

I think we all need to be more tolerant of each other, I think those longer term members could offer gentle guidance and support to newer members rather than jumping on them for the things they do wrong.

Well we aren't jumping on them, we have been always nice with them, we do help them when they don't know how to post etc... but when they do that during more than a month, that's quite annoying isn't it ?
Of course we will welcome us with open arms, but they have to respect the rules, respect the different opinions, respect the others and don't make stupid threads or being obsessed by their post count.

I wouldn't say that if it was only 2 or 3 members but it does happen at all the time and for ages, so it does annoy me and I'm not the only one.

The thing is Remy you speak for yourself, and yes you do welcome newer members as do many others, but some treat them as lower class citizens who have not got the same status as them which is what I was trying to point out.

Also remember that in recent weeks there has been mischief afoot on the site in the form of banned members joining and causing chaos, they have created mad threads, posted silly posts and deliberatly tried to wind people up, which they have succeeded in doing. We are doing all we can to combat this behind the scenes but it is complicated.

Post count has always been an issue with some people posting random things to increase their count which is why chat and games does not increase counts any longer.

[Matt08]

If banned members keep on joining then why don't the registrations for the forum be verified by the mods and admins before their account is active?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matthew
If banned members keep on joining then why don't the registrations for the forum be verified by the mods and admins before their account is active?

Because make a IP-test is quite annoying, imagine if the mods do that all the day, their heads will explose !

[Matt08]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : Matthew
If banned members keep on joining then why don't the registrations for the forum be verified by the mods and admins before their account is active?

Because make a IP-test is quite annoying, imagine if the mods do that all the day, their heads will explose !

I expect they could get hold of all the banned members IP addresses for fast responce activation so it wouldn't take too long to do, or a new person could be brought onboard that could deal with account activation only.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matthew


I expect they could get hold of all the banned members IP addresses for fast responce activation so it wouldn't take too long to do, or a new person could be brought onboard that could deal with account activation only.

I do agree with you, however there are most important things to do before that.

[Matt08]

I think that before defending the immature new members, the mods and admins should think about what the regulars have to say, we are the people who keep the forum alive and friendly. Surely our views should be considered before 3 hour old members.

[Billy]

I dont see why people are just blaming new members, as I think the good new members outweigh the bad ones, as there are only a couple that I think post to get their post count up, and there isnt much that can be done about that

[Mrluvaluva]

I do believe IP's cannot be traced if you are using a proxy. :tongue: Have I got that right?

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I do believe IP's cannot be traced if you are using a proxy. :tongue: Have I got that right?

I think members with un-tracable IP's recieve a warning from mods/admins anyway.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Matthew
I think that before defending the immature new members, the mods and admins should think about what the regulars have to say, we are the people who keep the forum alive and friendly. Surely our views should be considered before 3 hour old members.

You're definatly not keeping this forum friendly. If I was a guest and came across this site and saw this post and the other post you made earlier which offended one of the newbies then I would not register as it doesn't seem like a friendly place to be.

Why should our views be considered before 3 hour old members? Who cares how long somebody has been here? Would you like it if you were told that people weren't really interested in your opinion as you've been here less than a year?

Also, by stopping registrations we would lose a LOT of great members who wanted to sign up, weren't allowed so went away and didn't come back ... NEWBIES who could be great for this forum unlike members who have been here for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years and make these members feel unwelcome ... you're a prime example.

The majority of newbies don't seem to get a chance as people who have been here 4, 5, 10 months seem to think they're king of the castle and just disregard them. Everyone is equal on here, being here for 4 months, 2 years or 5 years gives you nothing over people who have been here 3 hours and the sooner some people realise that, the better.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Matthew
I think that before defending the immature new members, the mods and admins should think about what the regulars have to say, we are the people who keep the forum alive and friendly. Surely our views should be considered before 3 hour old members.

I dont think I like your implication that we dont listen to what you have to say. Every time a member makes a suggestion we look at it's merits and take steps if required. A few examples are, members really, really wanted chat room, we created one and it sits gathering dust! we added Karma at the request of members again it was then shot down, we act on every reported post and what gets forgotten in all of this is that we are members who have the same rights to post our thoughts and views on particular threads without being shot down.

Also the Mods and Admin equally keep this forum alive and friendly should our views not be considered?

Also like Legend says a 3 hour old member has the same rights as you or me. I dont like it when people come across as being superior because of the length of time they have posted here but I dont create a big fuss about it.

Like Remy says chasing IP addresses all day would be impossible and like Baz said proxy servers dont show them, also people can generate a new IP address from home without the use of a proxy. If we ban some IP addresses all together it bans more than one member so there are far more things to consider than has been suggested, if it was that easy we would already be doing it!

I love the longer term members, they feel like family to me, doesnt mean I wont argue with them but I still respect and like them. I equally enjoy newer members who bring value to the forum.

This thread I think was more about silly posts that are just one word or "lol" or a smiley and I have to say we have all had problems with that over our time here, it just gets annoying at times. I suppose though for me if it is the only thing people have to complain about right now then things must be ok!

[Matt08]

I'm not on here to be unfriendly Legend, and I didn't mean to be unfriendly. Sorry if i've caused any offence.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Matthew
I'm not on here to be unfriendly Legend, and I didn't mean to be unfriendly. Sorry if i've caused any offence.

You've not caused me any but if I was a newbie and I read it then I'd want to go and not come back.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Legend
Originally posted by Matthew
I'm not on here to be unfriendly Legend, and I didn't mean to be unfriendly. Sorry if i've caused any offence.

You've not caused me any but if I was a newbie and I read it then I'd want to go and not come back.

If I was a newbie I would understood how big the problem is and how I have to respect the rules, and to respect the different opinions.
I would react, if I want to leave then good bye and only the intelligent ones will stay, it's not so hard to post correctly and to respect the rules.

[Kaz]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I suggest all the -1/+1 games be moved to chat and games where they belong.

Suggestion noted, agreed with, and actioned. :xyxwave:

[Legend]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : Legend
Originally posted by Matthew
I'm not on here to be unfriendly Legend, and I didn't mean to be unfriendly. Sorry if i've caused any offence.

You've not caused me any but if I was a newbie and I read it then I'd want to go and not come back.

If I was a newbie I would understood how big the problem is and how I have to respect the rules, and to respect the different opinions.
I would react, if I want to leave then good bye and only the intelligent ones will stay, it's not so hard to post correctly and to respect the rules.

Well done you, perhaps the fact that some members aren't friendly towards new members doesn't bother you, but I'm sure it would effect others and it doesn't give out the idea that this is a friendly forum.

''only the intelligent ones will stay''

Wow, someone thinks a lot of themselves. Should I go also then as I'm not exactly intelligent, I know the rules but it doesn't take too many brain cells to be able to do that. What's the IQ needed to qualify for this forum? I must have missed it when I registered. :sad:

Newbies are being put into the ''ruins the forum'' category when there are a lot of ''older'' members who post just as must tripe on the forum but when a newbie does it's different as everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and starts giving them grief for it.

When I was new I posted a lot of $hit (not spam but posting in as many threads as possible) and as somebody has already said, it's the novelty of joining up, a couple of weeks then they settle down.

''Newbies'' on a whole need to be given a fair chance and to not have everyone jump on them over the smallest thing, if they break the rules then the Admin and Mods are there to deal with that.

[Billy]

I agree Legend, as I haev said before, its nto just newbies that post sh** its older members aswell

[Ann]

well said Legend and officialsuperstar i totally agree :laugh3::laugh3:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Legend

''Newbies'' on a whole need to be given a fair chance and to not have everyone jump on them over the smallest thing, if they break the rules then the Admin and Mods are there to deal with that.

I did agree with that an an earlier post.
But what does annoy me the most is to see the constant rule-breaking of the new ones, I mean it's not so hard to read the rules, your eyes won't be burned as much as I know.

We give us a fair chance but their contant "I post where I want, what I want, in the speech I want with 20 swear words per post" does really really annoy me.

You explain that 20 times before but there is nothing to do with, so at this point, for me, after giving a fair chance, they are ruining the forum.

Yesterday, a member have posted an article but too late as an other one already did. And this one told me "wtf ? who cares ? if you aren't supposed to post !" I just want to mention that it's newbie, I told him/her numerous time that he was posting wrong, to read the rules....and what I'm seeing ? The same mistake again and again.

I'm not against the newbies it's for most of them their constant rule-breaking, I've been a new member but I always did respect the rules, I've never posted $hit like "lol" or just a smiley.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Legend :thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

I hear what you are saying Remy, it is frustrating and it can be challenging for you when you are trying to guide them in the right direction. I would suggest rather than get wound up you simply hit report and we will deal with them for you all.

I do know some longer term members who post one word answers often and who do the "I have been here longer than you" rubbish though which is equally frustrating.

I think the thing is newer members need to be more tolerant of longer term members and vice versa.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Sunny_01
I hear what you are saying Remy, it is frustrating and it can be challenging for you when you are trying to guide them in the right direction. I would suggest rather than get wound up you simply hit report and we will deal with them for you all.

I do know some longer term members who post one word answers often and who do the "I have been here longer than you" rubbish though which is equally frustrating.

I think the thing is newer members need to be more tolerant of longer term members and vice versa.

Thanks for understanidng me, I know plenty of members like me do that too so I wanted to mention that we are here with our opened arms but the new ones shouldn't abuse that fact.

It's more a question of being disapointed, you try to make the forum easier to read when some mods aren't here, as a normal member it's nice to help them and try to make things easier. And I've been called 100000000 times "Are you the forum police ? let me do what I want and go away"

I agree with what you said about some old members talking about "I have been here longer than you". That's quite rubbish and doesn't make sense at all.

We don't ask too much to the newer members,
only to read the rules, even if they are wrong, we help us but not 100 times and finally they have to be polite and respectful.

[Sunny_01]

I think I will ask the team to re-visit the rules and look at a way of highlighting them upon registration see if that helps.

[Legend]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : Legend

''Newbies'' on a whole need to be given a fair chance and to not have everyone jump on them over the smallest thing, if they break the rules then the Admin and Mods are there to deal with that.

I did agree with that an an earlier post.
But what does annoy me the most is to see the constant rule-breaking of the new ones, I mean it's not so hard to read the rules, your eyes won't be burned as much as I know.

We give us a fair chance but their contant "I post where I want, what I want, in the speech I want with 20 swear words per post" does really really annoy me.

You explain that 20 times before but there is nothing to do with, so at this point, for me, after giving a fair chance, they are ruining the forum.

Yesterday, a member have posted an article but too late as an other one already did. And this one told me "wtf ? who cares ? if you aren't supposed to post !" I just want to mention that it's newbie, I told him/her numerous time that he was posting wrong, to read the rules....and what I'm seeing ? The same mistake again and again.

I'm not against the newbies it's for most of them their constant rule-breaking, I've been a new member but I always did respect the rules, I've never posted $hit like "lol" or just a smiley.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Legend :thumbs:

I completely understand that about new members and it's true but some posts seemed to come across as though all newbies were ruining the forum.

I understand what you're saying and although I don't agree with the fact that stupid posts will ''ruin'' the forum as that's just a small part of the forum, but still, fair enough. :bigsmile:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think I will ask the team to re-visit the rules and look at a way of highlighting them upon registration see if that helps.

That's a very good idea Sunny. Maybe simple bullet points would work better?

[Ruth*Star]

How about having Rules for every forum and the newbies have to read them before they can post or is that a bad idea?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Ruth*Star
How about having Rules for every forum and the newbies have to read them before they can post or is that a bad idea?

Yes that's a great idea, before their first post they have to read the rules automaticlly.

[Mrluvaluva]

"Rules for every forum"? I am sorry, but I don't follow you.

[Billy]

Who says there gonna read them though? They can just skip them

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
"Rules for every forum"? I am sorry, but I don't follow you. Like rules for every forum and people have to read them before they post but billy is right, they'd just skip them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Billy
Who says there going to read them though? They can just skip them

This is quite true. I have downloaded software before for instance, and I never read the terms and conditions like it asks you to do alll the time. How many of you honestly actually read the rules when you joined this forum?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Ruth*Star
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
"Rules for every forum"? I am sorry, but I don't follow you. Like rules for every forum and people have to read them before they post but billy is right, they'd just skip them.

Unofrtunatly they won't read it. :bored:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
"Rules for every forum"? I am sorry, but I don't follow you. Like rules for every forum and people have to read them before they post but billy is right, they'd just skip them.

But the rules would still be the same for each. The only way you can get new members to read the rules is to implant a code somewhere in them near the end, that the member then has to enter to proceed.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
"Rules for every forum"? I am sorry, but I don't follow you. Like rules for every forum and people have to read them before they post but billy is right, they'd just skip them.

But the rules would still be the same for each. The only way you can get new members to read the rules is to implant a code somewhere in them near the end, that the member then has to enter to proceed.

That's awesme but I doubt the mods have so much time to do it.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by sunshine30

That's awesme but I doubt the mods have so much time to do it.


I am sure a system could be devised. It only has to be one code as each new member will only use it once. It does not have to be different for every time a new member signs up.

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star
How about having Rules for every forum and the newbies have to read them before they can post or is that a bad idea?

i didnt read the rules straight away but now i have done so i im sure as i am a newbie i have passed that obstacle. i was surprised at much of what i read in this thread things must be bad i guess.