Men are more oppressed than women

[Ron21]

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[bananarama]

The rule of the Thatcher years is proof of your claim.....Men are terrified of another one like her so give up and drink themselves sillier than they normally are.True..Honest.....:bigsmile:

[Ron21]

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[bananarama]

Originally posted by Ron21
^ Actually, Thatcher was LESS anti male than the current Labour government is now.

But thanks for your input anyway :thumbs:


Tell that to her ministers and she would laugh you out of town...:bigsmile:

[Ron21]

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[bananarama]

Seriously do you really believe there is an anti male bias!!! I don't know!! Perhaps you could give me some examples of new anti male bias in the last decade that is down to Government.

Because I detest Thatcher and her anti humanity stance on life in general does not mean I support this current mob in office.......Personally I am anti polititions in general regrdless of party or should I say orgy.....

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
Seriously do you really believe there is an anti male bias!!! I don't know!! Perhaps you could give me some examples of new anti male bias in the last decade that is down to Government.

Because I detest Thatcher and her anti humanity stance on life in general does not mean I support this current mob in office.......Personally I am anti polititions in general regrdless of party or should I say orgy..... Agreed. Does the OP actually believe men are being marginalised in this world. Please state examples.

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[GiRTh]

I smell sexism.

EDIt: Sorry, I'm going to have to report you for calling me an idiot. Calm down.

[Ron21]

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[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Ron21
I smell sexism.

I smell cowardice.

And ignorance.

Girth: you are denying rape shield laws, domestic violence funding and services for women only and health spenditure plus all the other pointers I made in my opening paragraph.

YOU are what's wrong with society.

:spin2::spin2::spin2: how these sheep will never learn! But does that mean that men are being marginalised or is it that you have been a victim of these laws.

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
EDIt: Sorry, I'm going to have to report you for calling me an idiot. Calm down.

See this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls?

See how Girth runs to the admins when he doesn't like something he hears?

See how he is what every politician LOVES in its sheeple?

Oh, pathetic indeed :hugesmile: he proves my on going point about feeding the autocrats at his own peril.

But he won't understand the point I am making, he won't understand at all ! :whistle:

You can have a debate without calling someone an idiot you know. THAT is ignorant.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Ron21
EDIt: Sorry, I'm going to have to report you for calling me an idiot. Calm down.

See this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls?

See how Girth runs to the admins when he doesn't like something he hears?

See how he is what every politician LOVES in its sheeple?

Oh, pathetic indeed :hugesmile: he proves my on going point about feeding the autocrats at his own peril.

But he won't understand the point I am making, he won't understand at all ! :whistle: I reported you because I dont see the need to resort to insults in a discussion. I think its more idiotic to stoop to such a level when making your rather biased points.

I believe that there are a section of men, and I think you are one of them, who feel so victimised by everything that they cannot be taken seriously. I also think men like that are the real sheep.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I smell sexism.

EDIt: Sorry, I'm going to have to report you for calling me an idiot. Calm down.

GiRth, seriously, read up on some of the information Ron posted to see the evidence, don't just disagree before you have read it. If you read the information you will see it rings true and is not just an opinion. Also, how does stating facts make someone sexist?

You reported him for calling you an idiot because you disagreed before even looking up the evidence, yet it is ok for you to call him sexist for simply stating facts?

[Billy]

What does oppressed mean??

[GiRTh]

I didnt call him sexist, I called his views sexist. Theres a big difference.

I really despise men who feel they are being victimised by attempts to redress the balance. Men like that cannot be taken seriously.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I didnt call him sexist, I called his views sexist. Theres a big difference.

I really despise men who feel they are being victimised by attempts to redress the balance. Men like that cannot be taken seriously.

They can't be taken seriously despite a vast body of evidence that suggests their arguments are correct? Maybe you should read it before disagreeing? Also, you said nothing of views, you just said: 'I smell sexism'. I don't see why it makes a differance anyway, I could call your views idiotic, would that be better for you?

[Matt10k]

Also, I would just like to add GiRTh, do you despise women who feel like they are being victimised or do you think they deserve a voice in case their claims are true? Would you just dismiss a women in such a way if she felt victimised?

You don't think men are victims ever? You despise men that think they are victims without looking at any evidence that suggests they actually might be? Why is that?

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[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Also, I would just like to add GiRTh, do you despise women who feel like they are being victimised or do you think they deserve a voice in case their claims are true? Would you just dismiss a women in such a way if she felt victimised?

You don't think men are victims ever? You despise men that think they are victims without looking at any evidence that suggests they actually might be? Why is that? I do despise women who feels they are being victimised all the time but not half as much as I despise men who feel they are the victim of every attempt to redress the balance.

Of course men are victims but some people act like in every hour of every day somewhere a man is being victimised for simply being a man. It's laugable.

[GiRTh]

I find the premise of this whole thread a joke. Men are the most dominant demographic in our society but whenever there is an attempt to redress the balalnce they are the one who claim discrimination. It's laugable. There is example after example of societies bias toward men but some men cant see it. They are the one who need read and assess the evidence.

[Matt10k]

You despise men more? I don’t understand why that is?? You hate male victims more than women victims but claim you despise both! You may find men feeling victimised ‘laughable’, I find the fact you despise men and women who feel they are victims worrying. Do you lack all compassion? You also disregard all facts presented to you, refuse to read up points that will prove our claim and write everything off as ‘sexist‘.

I was going to call you incredibly ignorant but then you would report me as you seem to enjoy doing so instead I will call your views ignorant. Believe it or not, men are victimized! Some more than others and if you weren’t so reluctant to read up, you’d realise that too.

Also, girth the balance has been readdressed- women have as many rights (though arguably more) than men have. Another thing you would know if you bothered to read up on the subject.

[GiRTh]

Of course men are victims but I dont like the way some people are constantly trying to prove it. What exactly is the problem? Have you been victimised? Then what is your issue with the sexual assault law being biased toward women. Statisitically women are sexually abused more than men.

The OP is an extremely biased statement that is built around a few carefully selected cases. I could post hundreds example that counter its claims but I dont see the point. If you honestly feel men are being marginalised in this world then you need a reality check.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Of course men are victims but I dont like the way some people are constantly trying to prove it. What exactly is the problem? Have you been victimised? Then what is your issue with the sexual assault law being biased toward women. Statisitically women are sexually abused more than men.

The OP is an extremely biased statement that is built around a few carefully selected cases. I could post hundreds example that counter its claims but I dont see the point. If you honestly feel men are being marginalised in this world then you need a reality check.

All the evidence Ron stated shows how men are victimized.

I know you don’t want to read them so I will give you an example. I am not clear on the uk funding but in the US, Breast cancer is federally funded 14 times higher than prostate cancer. But aren’t both diseases lethal and don’t both sexes pay taxes?! In fact, prostate cancer accounts for 37% of all cancers but recieves only 5% of federal research funding.

No, I have not got prostate cancer so by your definition that means I am not a victim but you are missing the point. What if I did get prostate cancer, what if you did? Would you be happy knowing that more is spent on regarding the health of women than of men?!

This is just one of many examples. If you are truly interested in seeing how men are victimized, do your own research.

[GiRTh]

To be honest, if I had prostrate cancer I would be happy to have it treated. I certainly wouldn't be trying to claim things were biased against me. The two causes are both worthy causes. It would be nice if both received equal funding but to claim that the increased funding given to breat cancer is an attempt to marginalised men. It's ludicrous.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
To be honest, if I had prostrate cancer I would be happy to have it treated. I certainly wouldn't be trying to claim things were biased against me. The two causes are both worthy causes. It would be nice if both received equal funding but to claim that the increased funding given to breat cancer is an attempt to marginalised men. It's ludicrous.

It is not intentional and I never claimed it was. Breast cancer is just what is hyped by the feminised media and ends up getting the most funding.

You say you'd be happy to be treated- yes of course, but wouldn't you be happier if the funding was equal as it should be (because it accounts for 37% of all cancers)? So then you would know you were getting the most up to date, relevant and advanced treatment possible and would have a better chance of recovery as a result. You'd be mad to say you didn't want the best treatment possible!

[GiRTh]

The funding may not be equal for 101 rerason. All of which caould be valid. My point is that at the frist sign of any bias some people immediately claim discrimination. Thats why I cant take them seriously.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Ron21
It's true.

Please direct your attention to Domestic Violence laws, Rape Shield Laws, Abortion, Child Custody/Access, Fathers (lack of) Rights, Retirement Ages, Paternity V Maternity Leave, Health Spending (Gov. funded btw- prostate v breast cancer), Testicular Assault not regarded as serious as rape, despite the consequences being more severe etc etc.

I could go on, but you get my point.

Also, women were never oppressed, you all need to read Glenn Sacks, Angry Harry, Warren Farrell and Marc Rudov (online and offline reading material).

Lol, feminism is a sham, and each and every one of you have fallen for it.

I am the FIRST person here to tell you the TRUTH, Lol, insanity :mad:

Do you know I find the fact that you are dismissive of the fact that women have ever been oppressed as offensive. I also find the fact that you appear to be-little assualts on women, cancers etc as unimportant. Men should have equal rights I totally agree but it is not a competition about who is the most oppressed. Surely we should be looking at ways to gain equality rather than making comparisons about who's assualt is the worst :bored: it seems wrong on every level.

We are all people with needs and should all expect to be treated as individuals with individual needs. I am sure if someone could be bothered to dig around enough they would find plenty of claims to refute the ones you make.

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[Sunny_01]

I am not sure that I agree women have ever been protected in the sense that you put it across.

In the UK women did not used to be able to refuse to live with an abusive partner, they were not allowed any political rights, could not lay charges against an abusive partner, were not even allowed to keep money they earned themselves (changed in 1870) and it is in many ways thanks to "feminists" that this has all changed and women are now almost afforded equality with their male counter parts. One issue still in need of address is wages, women still generally recieve less pay for work than men in the UK.

I agree that if a man is sexually assaulted it should carry equal weight with police, courts etc as a womans.

Some interesting facts can be found here http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/law.html#Law%20–%20existing%20and%20proposed%20cha nges this shows on average only 20% of reported rapes actually make it to court! so not a huge issue to redress here. The main issue is that men do not report sexual assaults. They fail to do so for a number of reasons and until they do regularly report them then figures will always be low for prosecutions.

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[Sunny_01]

you might want to look at this historical site

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/womensrights.htm

this site lists some of the things I mentioned and when the laws were changed.

You say that women were allowed the vote, but that was only land owners and not a true representative of the population. The majority of every day women were unable to vote. You were also unlikely to see a female politician

Women were "expected" to stay at home and look after the children and house, they were often not given the opportunity to work, the ones that did earn a little had to hand it over to their husband thus taking away their own rights to decision make with regards to finance.

You talk about the pay gap "myth" and give examples of the median wages etc but in the uk this is the case, information I found says different to your thoughts on the matter.

What is the gender pay gap?

The median gender pay gap has reduced from 17.4% in 1997 to 12.6% in 2007. The mean figure has fallen from 20.7% to 17.2% in the same period.

Median part-time gender pay gap has remained fairly static and has reduced from 43.5% in 1997 to 39.1% in 2007. The mean figure for 2007 is 35.6%, compared with 41.9% in 1997.

So yes it is coming down but there are still gaps in certain sectors.

Now you make a sweeping statement about testicular assaults on men being worse than rape for a women! it just isnt a competition, it is a terrible experience for anyone to go through. The after effects of a sexual assualt go on and on for years yet you choose to try and make the rape of a woman sound less important or have less impact . That has to be the single most idiotic statement I have ever read. You can spew your facts at us till the cows come home but by your narrow minded statements you negate your serious participation in this discussion now.

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[molecular]

really gpood discussion guys enjoyed reading. well; done ron and well done evryone else for makiing effort. i need to go and do spome reading!!LOL

[Mrluvaluva]

You can have a debate without calling someone an idiot you know. THAT is ignorant.

Not if I provided a counter claim to go along with it it's not. Seeing as I did, your argument falls flat. [/quote]

To resort to petty insults just shows so much about your intellectual being. In my opinion of course. So you can provide a counter claim and call someone a f.uckwit?

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

MrLuv:

To resort to petty insults just shows so much about your intellectual being. In my opinion of course. So you can provide a counter claim and call someone a f.uckwit?

MrLuv, you have hardly contributed to any of the threads I have made, nor have you offered anything that remotely resembles an intelligent post. So to question my own intellect is rather rich, isn't it.

Further, like I have already told you, if you insult someone AS WELL AS providing an argument, then there is little wrong with this. As long as substance can be found within the arguments, then this is legitimate. If ONLY insults are used then this is purely ad hominem.

However, you will find I legitimise my arguments here, so again: your so called argument falls very, very flat indeed.

** The admins here would rather I didn't use insults, so I am holding back, but the temptation is, of course, always there. I'm not happy about it (because I believe in free speech) but I will go along with it as I literally have no control.

How I wish these forums were left alone, eliminating any form of authoritarian control over speech.

But that's a whole other topic.

In your opinion of course. I am used to having an open and constructive discussion about subject matter on here with other members. You say you have told me that "if you insult someone AS WELL AS providing an argument, then there is little wrong with this". Again, in your opinion. I actually find it quite offensive. You come across to me as if you want to cause conflict and friction in your threads. But that is just my opinion too.

Your posting style seems familiar to me also. Were you previously a member under a different name on this forum?

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[GiRTh]

I cant believe this thread is still going. The OP made statments based on a few carefull selected stats and expects every one to agree. If they dont then they're called an idiot.

The OP has challenged me to provide proof. Why? Does he honestly think I cant provide proof. Therein lies the ignorance of many of his claims.

Does the OP honestly think that men are more opressed than women. Honestly? Truly? I dont doubt the validity of many of his arguments but the title of this thread speaks for itself. It's a biased ill informed statement. No men are not opressed more than women.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
MrLuv:

In your opinion of course. I am used to having an open and constructive discussion about subject matter on here with other members.

I am yet to be convinced.



I have nothing to prove to you.

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[GiRTh]

I dont refute the information I only questionm that you seem a little too obsessed with this arguemnt. No one calims that men are not being opressed but to try and prove that men are oppressed more than women. Why? Do you honestly think we are?

OK I will provide proof as you only seem to acknowledge articles that prove your point.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

MrLuvs:

I have nothing to prove to you.

Says the man who previously said:

I am used to having an open and constructive discussion about subject matter on here with other members.

If this is true, then why can I not find ONE interesting thread you have participated in when I scanned your Member Posts?

If you are going to make such bold assertions, then, Luvs, you yourself are going to have to legitimise them.

Therefore, you have EVERYTHING to prove if you make such statements.

As I said Ronald, I have nothing to prove to you. What does that have to do with my previous statement? You say you have scanned my posts and not found one interesting thread I have participated in. All comes down to your opinion again doesn't it really.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

I have been on many boards, in many locations, under many usernames, talking about many, many different themes. I find it quite thrilling indeed.

And that doesn't answer my question now does it?

[GiRTh]

The OP used the word 'oppressed' in the title of the thread. Dictionary.com defines oppression as 'The exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.' Thus I'm only going to concentrate on the areas where men are being treated in a burdensome, cruel or unjust manner. Hence, the example that the OP gave of more money being spent on Breast cancer than prostrate cancer can hardly be described as oppressive.

Acording to Wikipedia the following countires do not allow women to vote - Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE. Men can vote but women are not considered substantial enough citizens to be given the vote.

I found it a little harder to get figures on Male spousal abuse and male sexual assault but I'll keep trying. So just by looking up a few general websites I have found examples of female oppression at the hands of men.

[Matt10k]

The dictionary also defines sexism as: "Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women." Why is it more sexist if a man does it?!

Still, I thought it was me that talked with you about cancer rates? I am not the OP.

I believe the OP means the uk or other westernised countries in terms of how men/ women are treated and the fact that we have for the most part eqaulity.

I agree women don't have equality in some other countries (particularly saudi arabia) and other middle eastern countries. This annoys me considerably and if you would like to talk about how much women are oppressed there, start a topic and I would happily talk about it with you as it disgusts me.

[GiRTh]

How do you know that the OP meant oppression in the West? HE doesn't say so in the title and when I challenged him on the title he stuck by his guns. Maybe he needs to explain exactly who feels is being opressed. Is it Western males or Western Wasp males or males in general? Who?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
How do you know that the OP meant oppression in the West? HE doesn't say so in the title and when I challenged him on the title he stuck by his guns. Maybe he needs to explain exactly who feels is being opressed. Is it Western males or Western Wasp males or males in general? Who?

Well for the record, all my points are concerning western males. By this I mean countries such as the uk, US, Germany, france, etc... I would never argue women in certain middle eastern countries, amoungst others- perhaps china being a good example, had equality because I don't believe this for a second.

I am not sure if the OP means men in general or just western men. I'm not going to speak or argue for him!

[GiRTh]

Good. The thread title says men and I took that to mean all men. .

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[Shaun]

Originally posted by Ron21

shall dispel your arguments within moments.

Thought you were a Bond villain for a moment then :laugh2:

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[Shaun]

Well that was rather catty.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
You still don't understand the point :pat:

Methinks you need to read exactly what I said again.

I obviously am not on your wavelength.

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[Mrluvaluva]

Thank god.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Ron21
Shaun:
In the context of this thread, what more do you expect?

Hyberbole, exaggeration and melodrama. Not rudeness :)

[bananarama]

Oh dear. oh dear. oh dear. It's clear the OP gets a thrill from conflict. A bit like Thatcher (Poor soul). Such a shame nothing better to do in life.

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[bananarama]

Your input, Bananarama, is particularly unworthy of attention


Such a sad sad joker. Perfect example of your lack of intellect. You really are so boring. Enjoy your sad mentality you are just not worth bothering with. ......Kiss kiss by by.......

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

One only has to read through the various posts and threads I have made in my Member Posts section to see my input has been considerably more stimulating and intellectual than anything you could ever come up with :pat:



Again, your opinion. Come down off that pedestal you have placed yourself on.

[molecular]

you cant keep hidning behin d the word "opiinon" evrytime mr luivaluva you got top back itr up eventually mate

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by molecular
you cant keep hidning behin d the word "opiinon" evrytime mr luivaluva you got top back itr up eventually mate

What are you on about? It is Ron's opinion. Is it fact that his posts have better content? No. It is all a matter of opinion.

[molecular]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by molecular
you cant keep hidning behin d the word "opiinon" evrytime mr luivaluva you got top back itr up eventually mate

What are you on about? It is Ron's opinion. Is it fact that his posts have better content? No. It is all a matter of opinion.

wycombe wanderers are better footy team than man united isnt a matter of opinioon mate, you know what i mean.

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by molecular

wycombe wanderers are better footy team than man united isnt a matter of opinioon mate, you know what i mean.

David Becham is richer than I am. That is fact because it can be proved. There is a difference between fact and opinion.

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
Mole is correct, MrLuv is not.


Need I say more?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
Absurd.

You didn't read Mole's statement. He wasn't comparing YOU to Beckham, he was comparing football teams match records.

Where did I say he was comparing me to David Beckham???? That was a statement I made myself. Can't you grasp that? You obviously did not read my post correctly.

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

When you highlighted Mole's comment and referred to Beckham, it strongly suggested you yourself missed HIS point.

Well I didn't. You obviously missed mine. I simply highlighted the comment of his that I was replying to.

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[molecular]

mrluval;uva no offence mate buit it seems like you don t understand what you talkin about so yopu goiong to make an argumnet an yway. maybe leave the ego at the door next time ye mate

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by molecular
mrluval;uva no offence mate buit it seems like you don t understand what you talkin about so yopu goiong to make an argumnet an yway. maybe leave the ego at the door next time ye mate

Ego? :laugh3: Please explain why I don't understand what I am talking about? In what way am I making an argument?

[molecular]

i don t know much aboput this subject so i goiong to read and learn not argue with you mate. se you later.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
women were never oppressed

A quote for you:

"A Pakistani minister and woman's activist has been shot dead by an Islamic extremist for refusing to wear the veil. Zilla Huma Usman, the minister for social welfare in Punjab province and an ally of President Pervez Musharraf, was killed as she was about to deliver a speech to dozens of party activists, by a "fanatic", who believed that she was dressed inappropriately and that women should not be involved in politics, officials said.

Mrs Usman, 35, was wearing the shalwar kameez worn by many professional women in Pakistan, but did not cover her head."

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
MrLuv, when I said women were never oppressed, I was referring to Western Women

Well what is your definition of a western woman? Just so I am clear.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
Oh, and I almost forgot, the example you highlighted was not due to a bias in the legal system but was a vigilante attack.

In my own disbelief at your ignorance, I ALMOST forgot to make that very important point.

It was a vigilante attack, yes, but in places such as Iran (for example) it is enforced and a females dress code is actually part of the law.

[Mrluvaluva]

Are you a former member known as The Hitman Ron21? Just curious?

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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
Well what is your definition of a western woman? Just so I am clear

Are you serious? :laugh2:

I shall humour you nonetheless: the West (as in Western World) consists of the UK (where I am from), US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc... simply put: developed countries where the government is non-limited, and where feminist influence discriminates against men.

I just wanted to be clear before you changed what you meant. You didn't exactly make yourself clear in your first post now did you?

To move on.....

Ok. What about the hundreds, if not thousands, of women who are murdered by their families each year in the name of family "honour."

FYI reports submitted to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights show that honour killings have occurred in Bangladesh, Great Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey, and Uganda.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21

But if you REALLY want me to counterclaim what you have said, perhaps you would find it interesting to know that in Muslims states, male circumcision is the norm, thereby infringing considerably on the male sexual organs, without his explicit consent.

Further, in Muslims states, men are insructed to grow facial hair and to also dress in a modest manner (i.e. the covering of the body in robes or heavy clothing, plus hats).

But Luvs, let us keep on track. You may enjoy steering the conversation off-course, but that is not my desire.

I am quite aware of this, but this isn't what is under discussion. The subject in ahnd was "female oppression". I do not refute your above statement. And you say I am trying to steer the conversation off course.

As for being a former member, I was just curious as your posting style is so similar to theirs. They even posted with CAPITALS mid scentence to make a point on certain words.

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[Mrluvaluva]

You are talking b0llocks now. My reply was to your statement that "women are not oppressed" and you change it to "men are more oppressed than women". Yes I know this is the topic of this thread, but that is not what I referred to. Read back on my posts. That is not the point I replied to. You also seem to think you know myself better than I do by posting such comments as "It is clear you are not" when I state I am aware of matters. And you say that I am deliberately trying to steer the subject off course, say that I don't read very much and imply that I am 3 years old. What stupid comments. You claim you are 21. Isn't about time you started acting it and being less childish?

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[molecular]

luvaluva please just leave it at that this is gettin g uncomfortable.:sad:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Ron21
an example of why you are to be mocked and ridiculed.



Says it all really. You have clearly shown that that is your intent from your very first post. I think the term is known as "troll". You try to change my answers into something that they are not, and change your statements as you go along. This has also been pointed out to me by other members. And as you are clearly getting a kick out of this, I think my best option is just to ignore you.

You can rejoice in your well earned glory, for I do not want to debate with someone so obtuse as you. I am sure this will give you great satisfaction as you will think that you have "won" the (and I refer to it loosely) "debate" in hand.

People like you are never open to anybody elses comments, and just disregard anything anybody else has to say. You are not interested in a discussion on matters. Your aim is just to get your point accross and you are always 100% right, which shows in the plain ordacity of some of your comments. You have made it quite clear in many threads that your intention is to cause conflict, and you obviously get off on that.

Maybe a shrink would help?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by molecular
luvaluva please just leave it at that this is gettin g uncomfortable.:sad:

Why is it uncomfortable?

[Ron21]

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[Mrluvaluva]

:rolleyes:

[Ron21]

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[Magic]

You wanted my contribuation, so here it is.

No.

[Billy]

no

[Shaun]

No.

[Sam!]

No...

[Callum]

No

[Ron21]

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[Shaun]

No.

[Callum]

No. :]

[Magic]

Originally posted by Ron21
^ This appears like a collaborative effort to simply state 'no' without actually reading the thread or the points presented.

Therefore, until a legitimate argument is carried out by Magic, Billy, Scampi, Shaun and Callum, all comments are to be rendered null and void.

For the record: I respect none of you.

You can't do that.

You upset me, my life is in teathers because of you.

No.

[Magic]

No, No, No, No, No.
Your Wrong.

[Ron21]

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[Shaun]

...no?

[Magic]

Originally posted by Ron21
^ You must realise that to those who lurk and read this forum in its entirety, that all 5 of you come across as equally indept at debate as the other.

Further, whilst your pack mentality at trying to intimidate me might work on weaker, more timid individuals, it will never, and has never, worked with me.

Has Never?
You havent been here long though Ron, have you? :whistle:

[Callum]

no.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Callum
no.

God at least someone agrees with me.

[jacs11]

lol

[Ron21]

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[Billy]

Umm wannabe bullies. Your the one that's rude to everyone when people dont like what you say

[Ron21]

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[Billy]

Umm you've still been horrible to anyone who tries to debate with you on this forum, you've been rude, and so what you havent swore? There are MANY other ways to be offensive to others!

[Ron21]

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[Tom]

It all boils down to the fact that men are seen as the stronger sex.

Thats all there is to it.

If people on here are that bad fools, then why do you stay here?

As for someone kicking you in the balls having a worse consequence than assault, then thats where your whole argument falls apart for me.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Ron21
^ Why won't you read the facts I have presented?

Surely, you MUST be interested in the lies surrounding women's suffrage and the pay gap myth?

I mean: this information is not readily distributed, you should count yourself lucky you have met someone like me who can show you where you have been lied to all your life.

Believe it or not, the intent has always been to inform! And to inform via facts!

The most infuriating aspect for me is the fact that I am right, yet I am surrounded by fools.

And I really am not exaggerrating when I make that claim either.

(You will focus on the ''emotional'' aspect of this thread, yet you will ignore the facts. Therin lies your fundamental problem).

If a forum infuriates you, then you need to get out

[Tom]

Originally posted by Billy
Originally posted by Ron21
^ Why won't you read the facts I have presented?

Surely, you MUST be interested in the lies surrounding women's suffrage and the pay gap myth?

I mean: this information is not readily distributed, you should count yourself lucky you have met someone like me who can show you where you have been lied to all your life.

Believe it or not, the intent has always been to inform! And to inform via facts!

The most infuriating aspect for me is the fact that I am right, yet I am surrounded by fools.

And I really am not exaggerrating when I make that claim either.

(You will focus on the ''emotional'' aspect of this thread, yet you will ignore the facts. Therin lies your fundamental problem).

If a forum infuriates you, then you need to get out

I agree. 175+ posts since Saturday :shocked: