Grace the best villain of BB ever IMO

[farhad]

Nasty, Evil, Clever, Bitchy, game player, Manipulator, a Smart gameplayer, cocky and funny, those words are enough to describe her as Big Brother's best villain ever.

[GiRTh]

Nick or Victor. Grace was just a very bitchy girl who bitched for absolutely no end other than because she could. Nick and Victor actually had games plans.

[Jack]

Nasty Nick was definitely.

[farhad]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Nick or Victor. Grace was just a very bitchy girl who bitched for absolutely no end other than because she could. Nick and Victor actually had games plans.

Bitchy and she was a right good manipulator, she had many sides to her bitchyness and negative character. I saw a lot of Nick, he was yes clever but thats the only side was to him where he cheated, he was never really nasty or spieful to anyone, Grace had plenty, I still remember how she manipulated Sam and Lea.

[CassetteFinger]

Nah, Makosi beat's her hand's down.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CassetteFinger
Nah, Makosi beat's her hand's down. AYe. Makosi was better too.

[Ross]

Nah, Makosi definately.

[Arneldo]

Grace was just a bitch. There was no motive behind her bitching, she just bitched.

Although he got found out in the end - Nasty Nick is the greatest BB villain of all time. He influenced the nominations, got people put up for nominations and avoided ever being nominated once.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Grace was just a bitch. There was no motive behind her bitching, she just bitched.

Although he got found out in the end - Nasty Nick is the greatest BB villain of all time. He influenced the nominations, got people put up for nominations and avoided ever being nominated once.

Grace was more than a bitch, I still remember how she set Sam up for a break down and in the end got the result, she was certainly better than the likes of dumb Charley.

[Wasted]

Nick? All he did was write on pieces of paper. He manipulated and lied but he broke the rules in the process, and got caught and then kicked out which is pretty lame. I don't get why he is seen as a huge villain, he looks pleasant and harmless compared to more recent HMs imo.

Makosi or Victor are by far the greatest villains. They each played a well-crafted game, Grace just bitched for the sake of it.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by GiRTh
Nick or Victor. Grace was just a very bitchy girl who bitched for absolutely no end other than because she could. Nick and Victor actually had games plans.

Bitchy and she was a right good manipulator, she had many sides to her bitchyness and negative character. I saw a lot of Nick, he was yes clever but thats the only side was to him where he cheated, he was never really nasty or spieful to anyone, Grace had plenty, I still remember how she manipulated Sam and Lea. She manipulated them to save her own ass. She was never very clever with it.

[Billy]

Grace was extremely clever with it. She had everyone believing her, and going against Sam.

[Arneldo]

Makosi was just a liar and attention seeker - no game playing IM and no villain.

Victor was just Jason's lapdog.

Grace didn't set anyone up IMO She just bitched then denied. Sam was just sensitive.

Nick cheated, but he got away with it for many weeks and he had a lot of them housemates wrapped around his finger. He manged to convince other to nominate in a certain way - and got them evicted.

[CassetteFinger]

Makosi played the best game, even though she did ruin her certain chance of winning, but she did come 3rd in the end and top female.

[Wasted]

To be fair though, Grace probably would've gone far if it wasn't for the chanting. She did have everyone convinced that she was such a nice person.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Makosi was just a liar and attention seeker - no game playing Im and no villain.

Victor was just Jason's lapdog.

Grace didn't set anyone up IMO She just bitched then denied. Sam was just sensitive.

Nick cheated, but he got away with it for many weeks and he had a lot of them housemates wrapped around his finger. He manged to convince other to nominate in a certain way - and got them evicted.

To be fair to Grace she was quite cunning but didn't get the opporunity to be developed due to that snoozy who nominated her up for a eviction, she had many people convinced in the house that she was a nice person, there was just many sides to her, but snoozy spoilt it before viewers got to see more to grace.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Makosi was just a liar and attention seeker - no game playing Im and no villain.

Victor was just Jason's lapdog.

Grace didn't set anyone up IMO She just bitched then denied. Sam was just sensitive.

Nick cheated, but he got away with it for many weeks and he had a lot of them housemates wrapped around his finger. He manged to convince other to nominate in a certain way - and got them evicted. I agree. Maybe Victor and Jason should come as a team.:whistle:

None of the others can compare to nasty Nick.

[Wasted]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Makosi was just a liar and attention seeker - no game playing Im and no villain.

Victor was just Jason's lapdog.

Grace didn't set anyone up IMO She just bitched then denied. Sam was just sensitive.

Nick cheated, but he got away with it for many weeks and he had a lot of them housemates wrapped around his finger. He manged to convince other to nominate in a certain way - and got them evicted.

The fact that Nick cheated destroys all credibility for him as a "gameplayer".

I think Victor and Jason were pretty level with each other, but if Jason left before Victor, Victor would've carried on, whereas Jason just moped about when Victor got evicted. To me that would suggest that Victor was the brains and the leader behind the Junglecats.

Makosi was a fantastic liar and stirred up huge arguments, like cider-gate, which got the HMs she didn't like nominated and evicted. Makosi was also put to the test a lot, like in her secret missions or when the HMs had to evict her or Vanessa - if she was no good at manipulating her HMs and pulling their strings then she wouldn't have made the final.

Now that's game-playing, anyone can write on a few pieces of paper, and most people probably wouldn't get caught doing it neither which is why I'd say Grace, Victor and Makosi were all much better villains than Nick, and why Victor and Makosi are much better gameplayers.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Wasted
Originally posted by Arneldo
Makosi was just a liar and attention seeker - no game playing Im and no villain.

Victor was just Jason's lapdog.

Grace didn't set anyone up IMO She just bitched then denied. Sam was just sensitive.

Nick cheated, but he got away with it for many weeks and he had a lot of them housemates wrapped around his finger. He manged to convince other to nominate in a certain way - and got them evicted.

The fact that Nick cheated destroys all credibility for him as a "gameplayer".

I think Victor and Jason were pretty level with each other, but if Jason left before Victor, Victor would've carried on, whereas Jason just moped about when Victor got evicted. To me that would suggest that Victor was the brains and the leader behind the Junglecats.

Makosi was a fantastic liar and stirred up huge arguments, like cider-gate, which got the HMs she didn't like nominated and evicted. Makosi was also put to the test a lot, like in her secret missions or when the HMs had to evict her or Vanessa - if she was no good at manipulating her HMs and pulling their strings then she wouldn't have made the final.

Now that's game-playing, anyone can write on a few pieces of paper, and most people probably wouldn't get caught doing it neither which is why I'd say Grace, Victor and Makosi were all much better villains than Nick, and why Victor and Makosi are much better gameplayers.

Makosi and Victor had their golden moments because they stayed longer and avoided nominations, if Grace had of not been up for eviction and stayed longer, she would of topped all of them as the best, things was getting much more interesting in her final 7 days at BB house.

[Captain.Remy]

I completely agree with Wasted, Makosi and Victor are the biggest game-players, Grace was not one, she was just bitching around and had no gameplan at all.

Makosi made BB6 by herself, she lied, she manipulated, she got everything she wanted and no matter if she is an attention seeker. And in order to be a good game-player you have to lie, there is no wonder.

And Nick. Well he's a villain but not a game-player, he really thought he wouldn't have been caught by Big Brother but his idea was not bad and it created a lot of drama about it.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : farhad
Nasty, Evil, Clever, Bitchy, game player, Manipulator, a Smart gameplayer, cocky and funny.

Those words describe Makosi more than Grace.

[GiRTh]

Maksoi was a good game player but she was way too immature to pull it off. She would be one of the best villains if it wasn't for her immaturity eg. 'I think I'm pregnant'.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : farhad
Nasty, Evil, Clever, Bitchy, game player, Manipulator, a Smart gameplayer, cocky and funny.

Those words describe Makosi more than Grace.

It descirbes both of them, although Makosi is the better gameplayer, Grace was the better bitch and quite a good manipulator, she had many sides to her character, had of she stayed long, we would of seen more side to it.

[Arneldo]

I disagree with Makosi. She was an attention seeking and I don't think anything she did was part of a game. She just wanted to be centre of it all.

Victor was a lapdog for the Jason. I even think Ahmed was a better player then him.

[dupin]

I'd say the best gameplayer was Brian (BB8) - he played the game better than the others, because he won. Pete also played it very well.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : farhad
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : farhad
Nasty, Evil, Clever, Bitchy, game player, Manipulator, a Smart gameplayer, cocky and funny.

Those words describe Makosi more than Grace.

It descirbes both of them, although Makosi is the better gameplayer, Grace was the better bitch and quite a good manipulator, she had many sides to her character, had of she stayed long, we would of seen more side to it.

I do agree, Grace was really smart but she has been evicted too early, and that ruined BB7, well for me. Same thing for Sezer, he left when he shouldn't have.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Billy21
Grace was extremely clever with it. She had everyone believing her, and going against Sam.

Thanks. Hoped she stayed longer then we would of got to see a lot of sides to her.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Arneldo
I disagree with Makosi. She was an attention seeking and I don't think anything she did was part of a game. She just wanted to be centre of it all.

Victor was a lapdog for the Jason. I even think Ahmed was a better player then him.

Makosi made people think what she wanted them to think, and she had to be the center of attention, that was a part of her game, and the secret missions helped her a lot. She has always claimed she wanted to win then she needed to make people arguing against each other and to divide the house in 2 parts.
Without Makosi, BB6 would have been more boring than BB4 without a doubt.

And I consider Victor and Jason as a team, not slave-master relationship. They both played well but Victor should have shut his mouth against Shell, his game screwed up.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : farhad
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : farhad
Nasty, Evil, Clever, Bitchy, game player, Manipulator, a Smart gameplayer, cocky and funny.

Those words describe Makosi more than Grace.

It descirbes both of them, although Makosi is the better gameplayer, Grace was the better bitch and quite a good manipulator, she had many sides to her character, had of she stayed long, we would of seen more side to it.

I do agree, Grace was really smart but she has been evicted too early, and that ruined BB7, well for me. Same thing for Sezer, he left when he shouldn't have.

Yep it ruined a character who had a lot of potential, but still a vastly one of the most remembered BB characters, thanks to GB public.

[GiRTh]

I dont think I would have watched BB7 if Grace had stayed in. It would have been like Charley in BB8. Grace did what she did and was ultimately voted out because of it. If she was such a good game player she'd have played nice every now and again.

[Christina]

She was entertaining though x

[Rory]

I don't think she's the best villain of Big Brother. She felt remorse for her actions, and villains have no feelings. :tongue:

Makosi, on the other hand, didn't take the hint when she and Vanessa were up for nomination.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by dupin
I'd say the best gameplayer was Brian (BB8) - he played the game better than the others, because he won. Pete also played it very well.

Pete was fake but he wasent playing the game.

[officialleafan]

I agree. Grace was the worst. Grace would never of been nominated for eviction if it hadn't been for Susie. They had to put Susie in (who knew what she was like) to get her out. Grace had most of the house on side. Sure she had her battles with Richard and the others, but they wouldn't of nominated her. To manipulate the house like that...she really was a villain.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : *Cathal*
Originally posted by dupin
I'd say the best gameplayer was Brian (BB8) - he played the game better than the others, because he won. Pete also played it very well.

Pete was fake but he wasent playing the game.

Yeah he knew he won since day 1 and just enjoyed the whole situation.
And I don't even talk about Brian, fakest man on earth, at least Makosi assumes.

By the way, I don't know if some remember what makosi said in the final "Well I do look at myself as a winner, look at all those girls, I'm the last female waling out of that house". This is just hilarious, it was the best interview ever.

[XxShortyxX]

Grace is the biggest female b*tch ever to be on BB, but she was a really good game player, and that's the whole point of BB, to play the game.

I don't dislike her, but she was nasty in the house.

[podge2007]

Everyone's overlooking Charley. Sure she may not have been the best gameplayer in BB history or the sharpest tool in the box, but she did have her moments. Remember how she turned Tracey and Brian against Seany on nominations day because he put water in to her shoes and how she manipulated everyone on her fake eviction with her claims about everybody loves me and "Banners with love hearts!!":joker:

She did what any great BB villain should do: be controversial, compelling to watch and survive for as long as possible!!

When she left the ratings nosedived, such was her impact.

[farhad]

Originally posted by podge2007
Everyone's overlooking Charley. Sure she may not have been the best gameplayer in BB history or the sharpest tool in the box, but she did have her moments. Remember how she turned Tracey and Brian against Seany on nominations day because he put water in to her shoes and how she manipulated everyone on her fake eviction with her claims about everybody loves me and "Banners with love hearts!!":joker:

She did what any great BB villain should do: be controversial, compelling to watch and survive for as long as possible!!

When she left the ratings nosedived, such was her impact.

BB8 ratings were even poor when Charley was around, her going didn't really effect too much rating loss. Charley to me was the worst villain, there was no cleverness in her arguments or gameplaying, she was just in your face like MS piggy.

[Sticks]

For me the villains of BB were not the ones we were seeing

Ferrets in a sack behave like ferrets in a sack

apologies to ferrets

For me in second place are meddling producers who were opportunistic at times, cowardly and spinless and at times down right incompetance for which the term Duty of care seemed to have escaped them.

But far the worse villain was revealed at the end of BB1, by Craig Philips

It was the un-named person who denied a life saving operation to a woman, just because she had downs syndrome.

It was thanks to BB that there was a review of medical tratment to those with downs.

My niece has Downs, so I must declare an interest