The French Thread [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : _Tom_
By the way if u want something translated into French, just add an 'é' on the end with an accent.

E.g. Clean -> cleané
Swap -> swapé

j'ai ils yeux brun il y a un picine aller au cinema avec mon mere. quarante-cinq-et-un.

It so doesn't work like this, I hope you made a joke. French is one of the most difficult language with Chinese, Japanse, Russian and Arabic.

I do French at GCSE level and I have done it for 4 yrs now.

Pain au chocolat. Le salle de bains. Je me revielle á sept heurs, etc.

I struggle with numbers past 70, because for 70, its 60+10, soixante-dix-un, etc
and I struggle with telling the time, á sept heur et quart
and i struggle with the tenses (past, present, future, perfect, imperfect, avoir, etré, etc.)

Please help Remy. :(

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by KRA!G
:laugh3:
PMSL
i translated this into french, then tanslated it back to english and this is what it says:

Hello. My name is Craig, i am almost 16 and i come from scotland. I love the tv show Big Brother ...

Good morning. My name is Craig, I am almost 16 years old and I come from Scotland. I love the Elder brother of show of the television! :laugh:

Remy's right ! online translators are c**p !

yes, I used a translator for 'mountain biking' in school and my teacher laughed 'cos the translator translated it as if the mountain was biking.

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:17 PM

I see you need help lol :laugh2:

Tom

03-06-2008, 05:19 PM

English is the most difficult language to learn but I found French quite hard too. Spanish is very easy.

Translators don't work. I had to do an essay for French when I was in about year 8 or 9 and I typed it into a translator and needless to say I failed :joker:

Because us English have loads of same words that mean different things like present, live, watch etc it doesn't use the right grammatical word but just translates one of those meanings for words so an example is 'I watch' translates as something silly like 'I wristwatch' (obviously in French).

Meh, I can't be bothered typing all that out in French and I hardly know any of it anyway so instead I'll just stick it in a translator despite hating them :laugh2:

I'm sure Remy will pick holes in that about how bad translators are and what I was on about. A way to see is type a sentence into a translator, press translate, then translate it back to English. It loses its meaning.

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L'anglais est la langue la plus difficile pour apprendre mais j'ai trouvé français tout à fait fort aussi. L'espagnol est très facile.

Les traducteurs ne travaillent pas. J'ai dû fais un essai pour français quand j'étais dans de l'an 8 ou 9 et je l'ai tapé dans un traducteur et inutile de dire que j'ai échoué : le blagueur :

Parce que nous l'anglais a des chargements de mêmes mots que les choses différentes moyennes aiment le présent, la vie, la montre etc il n'utilise pas le bon mot grammatical mais traduit juste un de ces sens pour les mots si un exemple est ‹ je regarde › traduit comme quelque chose bête comme ‹ je la montre › (évidemment en français).

Meh, je ne peux pas être ennuyé tapant tout qu'hors en français et je sais à peine n'importe quel de lui de toute façon si plutôt je l'enfoncerai juste dans un traducteur malgré détester les :laugh2:

Je suis Remy sûr que choisira des trous dans cela des comment mauvais traducteurs sont et que j'étais sur de. Une façon pour voir est le type une phrase dans un traducteur, la presse traduit, alors traduire le soutient à l'anglais. Il perd son sens.

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:22 PM

Tu parlez vous Anglais Remy? La grecé! La serbie! La Lattonire (Latvia). Bien, et vous? Je detest la cinema car il est nul!

MrGaryy

03-06-2008, 05:24 PM

This thread scares me!

Ce fil m'effraie!

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:27 PM

Did you know that French people have heads shaped like the Eiffel Tower?

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:29 PM

Tom, English is one of the easiest language to learn, I can tell you and it has been proved. It's not hard, at all.

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:30 PM

Message original : _Tom_
Did you know that French people have heads shaped like the Eiffel Tower?

Do we ? I didn't notice. :tongue:

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:31 PM

Message original : _Tom_
Tu parlez vous Anglais Remy? La grecé! La serbie! La Lattonire (Latvia). Bien, et vous? Je detest la cinema car il est nul!

Of course I do. I also speak Italian and Russian. :thumbs: So I can tell everyone, English is not hard to learn, really.

MrGaryy

03-06-2008, 05:35 PM

French is my favourite language.

Le français est ma langue préférée

I lived in Paris for a year!

Stupid

03-06-2008, 05:44 PM

How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:45 PM

Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

Stupid

03-06-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 05:54 PM

Message original : Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

America definitely participated more to our freedom than Britain, that's History, nobody can help it. But of course you helped us.

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : _Tom_
Tu parlez vous Anglais Remy? La grecé! La serbie! La Lattonire (Latvia). Bien, et vous? Je detest la cinema car il est nul!

Of course I do. I also speak Italian and Russian. :thumbs: So I can tell everyone, English is not hard to learn, really.

T'as un problème?

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

C'est quoi, ton problème ?

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by _Tom_
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

C'est quoi, ton problème ?

France

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:00 PM

Je suis assez faible en francais.. mais je voudrais parler de moi..

Je m'appelle Samuel.. j'ai les yeux bleus et les cheveux mi-longs. Je ne suis pas tres sociable parce que je suis timide..

J'habite au pays de galles - c'est un petit pays de personnes tres patrioques.

Quand je suis plus age, je voudrais habiter a Londres ou en France. Je voudrais habiter en France parce que c'est mon reve!

Ma matiere preferee c'est le francais - parce que les cours sont interessants et j'adore apprendre le francais, c'est ma passion!

How was that Rémy?

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 06:01 PM

Message original : Stupid
Originally posted by _Tom_
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

C'est quoi, ton problème ?

France

You don't like us don't you ?

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Message original : Sam
Je suis assez faible en francais.. mais je voudrais parler de moi..

Je m'appelle Samuel.. j'ai les yeux bleus et les cheveux mi-longs. Je ne suis pas tres sociable parce que je suis timide..

J'habite au pays de galles - c'est un petit pays de personnes tres patrioques.

Quand je suis plus age, je voudrais habiter a Londres ou en France. Je voudrais habiter en France parce que c'est mon reve!

Ma matiere preferee c'est le francais - parce que les cours sont interessants et j'adore apprendre le francais, c'est ma passion!

How was that Rémy?

Perfect.

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
Originally posted by _Tom_
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid
How does it feel to know that you need Britain to help you when you are in a war!

Nothing I wasn't even born. :wink: And basically America helped us more than Britain.

I Don't Think So. You would have been bombed out of your brains if Britain hadn't sent a war ship down to Morocco when Germany sent theirs down

C'est quoi, ton problème ?

France

You don't like us don't you ?

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Sam
Je suis assez faible en francais.. mais je voudrais parler de moi..

Je m'appelle Samuel.. j'ai les yeux bleus et les cheveux mi-longs. Je ne suis pas tres sociable parce que je suis timide..

J'habite au pays de galles - c'est un petit pays de personnes tres patrioques.

Quand je suis plus age, je voudrais habiter a Londres ou en France. Je voudrais habiter en France parce que c'est mon reve!

Ma matiere preferee c'est le francais - parce que les cours sont interessants et j'adore apprendre le francais, c'est ma passion!

How was that Rémy?

Perfect.

Oh cool! I'm working really hard in French - I really want to be an english teacher in France, or a french teacher in UK.

My french correspondant said English was an easy language too, it's strange that everyone says it is difficult.

ProjectWeirdo

03-06-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Sam
Je suis assez faible en francais.. mais je voudrais parler de moi..

Je m'appelle Samuel.. j'ai les yeux bleus et les cheveux mi-longs. Je ne suis pas tres sociable parce que je suis timide..

J'habite au pays de galles - c'est un petit pays de personnes tres patrioques.

Quand je suis plus age, je voudrais habiter a Londres ou en France. Je voudrais habiter en France parce que c'est mon reve!

Ma matiere preferee c'est le francais - parce que les cours sont interessants et j'adore apprendre le francais, c'est ma passion!

How was that Rémy?

Perfect.

Oh cool! I'm working really hard in French - I really want to be an english teacher in France, or a french teacher in UK.

My french correspondant said English was an easy language too, it's strange that everyone says it is difficult.

I think it's difficult.. dunno why. I have my french reading, and my french listening GCSE exams tomorrow. Eek!

I'm on an A with coursework so far, so hopefully, I can pull off some good grades in these, too.

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 06:13 PM

Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

Please do not say this about fellow member's nationalities. It's very rude.

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

That was a horrible thing to say.

A country who speaks bad english and is racist?? You could say as much about the UK to be honest.

KKBL

03-06-2008, 06:26 PM

Bonjour je ne parle francais

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by KKBL
Bonjour je ne parle francais

Comment?

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 06:29 PM

In the day you say 'Bonjour' and in the evening you say 'Bonsoir'. NEVER say 'Bonjour' to a French person at night! NEVER!

Magic

03-06-2008, 06:29 PM

Au Revoir.

Magic

03-06-2008, 06:29 PM

Au Revoir.
Or Bonjour in the words of Derick Trotter.

KKBL

03-06-2008, 06:29 PM

i got 80% in my last french test:elephant:

jadore panne de chocalate

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by KKBL
i got 80% in my last french test:elephant:

jadore panne de chocalate

Well u didn't do very well then! It's: J'adore pain au chocolate.

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by _Tom_
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

Please do not say this about fellow member's nationalities. It's very rude.

He probably agrees lol

Shaun

03-06-2008, 06:35 PM

I prefer to speak German. I only got a B in French :(

Je préfère parler aux allemande, parce que j'ai une "B" en Francais?

Not sure if that's right. :P

Je ne sais pas...

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

That was a horrible thing to say.

A country who speaks bad english and is racist?? You could say as much about the UK to be honest.

have you not seen it on the news where they all go around burning cars in paris. I know its something to do with race.

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

That was a horrible thing to say.

A country who speaks bad english and is racist?? You could say as much about the UK to be honest.

have you not seen it on the news where they all go around burning cars in paris. I know its something to do with race.

Have you not seen on the news of all the children stabbing other children in the UK? Have you not heard of all the suicides, gun/knife crime? Have you not heard of people going missing all the time? Hmm.. I don't think the UK has any right to judge another country for their problems.

CassetteFinger

03-06-2008, 06:44 PM

Eurgh French, i hate french, so hard. Waste of time for me because i wasent even allowed to do a GCSE for it but i still had to do it so a waste of a GCSE subject space and got a level 3 haha and a certificate saying "well done" :blush:

Stupid

03-06-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

That was a horrible thing to say.

A country who speaks bad english and is racist?? You could say as much about the UK to be honest.

have you not seen it on the news where they all go around burning cars in paris. I know its something to do with race.

Have you not seen on the news of all the children stabbing other children in the UK? Have you not heard of all the suicides, gun/knife crime? Have you not heard of people going missing all the time? Hmm.. I don't think the UK has any right to judge another country for their problems.

Believe me i hate Britain aswell

Tom

03-06-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Tom, English is one of the easiest language to learn, I can tell you and it has been proved. It's not hard, at all.

Ah, but when did you start learning it? Aged 3 or 4 or very young like that I expect. Over here we don't start learning languages until 11 so we're a hell of a lot behind and are used to our own language. People who learn English late on in life in terms of learning languages (ie aged 7 onwards) struggle more and find English more difficult because of the complexity.

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Tom, English is one of the easiest language to learn, I can tell you and it has been proved. It's not hard, at all.

Ah, but when did you start learning it? Aged 3 or 4 or very young like that I expect. Over here we don't start learning languages until 11 so we're a hell of a lot behind and are used to our own language. People who learn English late on in life in terms of learning languages (ie aged 7 onwards) struggle more and find English more difficult because of the complexity.

Also, in France, english is taught at much greater detail and depth.

My french exchange was 10x better at English then I was in French.

Tom

03-06-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Sam

Have you not seen on the news of all the children stabbing other children in the UK? Have you not heard of all the suicides, gun/knife crime? Have you not heard of people going missing all the time? Hmm.. I don't think the UK has any right to judge another country for their problems.

Problems like that have been around since time began. Its only recently that the media have started to pick up on it which makes it seem worse when really its not much different to how its aways been.

Suicide isn't a problem, its now legal.

Tom

03-06-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Tom, English is one of the easiest language to learn, I can tell you and it has been proved. It's not hard, at all.

Ah, but when did you start learning it? Aged 3 or 4 or very young like that I expect. Over here we don't start learning languages until 11 so we're a hell of a lot behind and are used to our own language. People who learn English late on in life in terms of learning languages (ie aged 7 onwards) struggle more and find English more difficult because of the complexity.

Also, in France, english is taught at much greater detail and depth.

My french exchange was 10x better at English then I was in French.

Yeah it was the same for when I did something similar. The school sorted out pairs of us to stay with a French family but they never came over here. We tried to speak French where we could but it wasn't very successful. They gave up their own language to speak English even when we weren't around so it didn't appear they were being ignorant.

Sam

03-06-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Sam

Have you not seen on the news of all the children stabbing other children in the UK? Have you not heard of all the suicides, gun/knife crime? Have you not heard of people going missing all the time? Hmm.. I don't think the UK has any right to judge another country for their problems.

Problems like that have been around since time began. Its only recently that the media have started to pick up on it which makes it seem worse when really its not much different to how its aways been.

Suicide isn't a problem, its now legal.

That doesn't make it acceptable or right. If everyone was doing it, then that would be a problem.

I was only saying, that you can't really criticize France for problems, when the UK is seen as "more broken" as a country "according to the press".

Tom

03-06-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Sam

Have you not seen on the news of all the children stabbing other children in the UK? Have you not heard of all the suicides, gun/knife crime? Have you not heard of people going missing all the time? Hmm.. I don't think the UK has any right to judge another country for their problems.

Problems like that have been around since time began. Its only recently that the media have started to pick up on it which makes it seem worse when really its not much different to how its aways been.

Suicide isn't a problem, its now legal.

That doesn't make it acceptable or right. If everyone was doing it, then that would be a problem.

I was only saying, that you can't really criticize France for problems, when the UK is seen as "more broken" as a country "according to the press".

Oh right I see. I was just illustrating that the problems we have are not new and contrary to popular belief these problems were around 100 years ago, albeit in a different form. But then again broken country can refer to quite a few things going on atm like the current hated government and the credit crunch.

Gemmer-x

03-06-2008, 07:13 PM

Bonjour tous im a ennuyé vraiment à la minute. Je pourrais aller et pourrais voir ce qu'à la télévision.. bien que je ne peux pas être ennuyé pour me déplacer.

:bigsmile:

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 07:15 PM

Message original : Stupid
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Stupid

Your OK i guess but i wouldn't want to be a citizen of France.

Why not ? Just tell me, for once I have the opportunity to debate about this lol
But I'm not surprised, I want to live in England lol

You don't speak English you smell of garlic and your all racist

I guess you have a lot of arguments to prove your point.
First of all, we do not speak English, it seems to be obvious, we speak French. But you are right on the point that we aren't the best English speakers in Europe.

Secondly, you make some huge generalities by saying something you don't know what you are talking about. The cars incidents are completely different from racism and we all know foreign countries exaggerated it.
And if you want to make generalities, don't forget that France is the country of the Human & Civil Rights.
Also about Garlic, well that's just stupid. I mean it's like I say, you, British people all smell Roast Beefs, Cheesecakes, Tea and wet dogs. I mean it's ridiculous.

By the way, you still didn't explain your real reasons, I mean, the facts you know.

CassetteFinger

03-06-2008, 07:22 PM

I wouldent mind smelling of tea.

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 07:24 PM

Message original : CassetteFinger
I wouldent mind smelling of tea.

lol why not, it can smell good but you know what I mean, it's all stupid stereotypes. Come on...garlic ? :laugh3:

CassetteFinger

03-06-2008, 07:26 PM

Thats what i said "I wouldent MIND smelling of tea". Tea smells good.

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 07:28 PM

Message original : CassetteFinger
Thats what i said "I wouldent MIND smelling of tea". Tea smells good.

Yeah and I said 'Why not smelling tea'

Ashleee:)

03-06-2008, 07:34 PM

yes, and up in scotland we are all called morag or jock, and run about our hills with a haggis in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other :)

I'd rather be french than british to be honest :)

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
yes, and up in scotland we are all called morag or jock, and run about our hills with a haggis in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other :)

I'd rather be french than british to be honest :)

You forgot about the kilt's!

Ashleee:)

03-06-2008, 07:38 PM

oh yes, and the kilts!! Sorry Tom :kiss:

Captain.Remy

03-06-2008, 07:38 PM

Message original : _Tom_
Originally posted by Ashleee:)
yes, and up in scotland we are all called morag or jock, and run about our hills with a haggis in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other :)

I'd rather be french than british to be honest :)

You forgot about the kilt's!

I love Kilt's, I did wear one for my best friend's birthday. That was cool...and with no undies under ! :hugesmile:

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : _Tom_
Originally posted by Ashleee:)
yes, and up in scotland we are all called morag or jock, and run about our hills with a haggis in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other :)

I'd rather be french than british to be honest :)

You forgot about the kilt's!

...and with no undies under ! :hugesmile:

:lovedup:

ProjectWeirdo

03-06-2008, 07:41 PM

Hello, I want my book. Bonjour, je voudrais mon livre.

- as said by Winnie, Hocus Pocus... :laugh:

Tom

03-06-2008, 07:41 PM

Tbh, roast beef (or rather roast dinners) and tea do just about sum up us English. :joker:

Ashleee:)

03-06-2008, 07:42 PM

Yeah us girls love when the men wear them too :tongue:

Christina

03-06-2008, 07:59 PM

Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

_Tom_

03-06-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

Just remember: Le the = Tea (Pronounced: le t-ay) and u will pass! Believe you me!

CassetteFinger

03-06-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : CassetteFinger
Thats what i said "I wouldent MIND smelling of tea". Tea smells good.

Yeah and I said 'Why not smelling tea'

Ummmm ok then........... i dont think you understand what i wrote, so im just gonna let you think whatever.

MrGaryy

03-06-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

Aww! I regret that I can't, I love French! Or should I say:

Je regrette que je ne puisse pas. J'aime le français

Lol!

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Tea? How comes? Lol.
For my coursework im having to do
a presentation on my 'ideal job' im ok
as long as i have my Metro book and a french
dictionary but God knows what im going to do
when it comes to the exam im just going to be sitting
there tapping my pen lol. If only i was able to do
a short course in French lol :conf2: x

Chrizzle

03-06-2008, 08:08 PM

I dont speak a lot of French

je ne pas beaucoup a Francais?

LOL I did it for GCSE, and got a C which is the highest I could get in the paper, so I cant be that bad but I seriously dont remember any of it.

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

Aww! I regret that I can't, I love French! Or should I say:

Je regrette que je ne puisse pas. J'aime le français

Lol! I think if i had a choice i would of done Spanish because there was a week when my school were going on a trip to Spain and we had one lesson in Spanish to prepare us and know how to say little things like please and thankyou etc.. and tbh i can remeber more in that 1 Spanish lesson than i can in 4 years of French lol. Maybe the language is easier? I dunno lol :shrug: x

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Chrizzle
I dont speak a lot of French

je ne pas beaucoup a Francais?

LOL I did it for GCSE, and got a C which is the highest I could get in the paper, so I cant be that bad but I seriously dont remember any of it. Well done, id be happy with that grade lol. How long ago did you do it? And was it hard lol? x

MrGaryy

03-06-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

Aww! I regret that I can't, I love French! Or should I say:

Je regrette que je ne puisse pas. J'aime le français

Lol! I think if i had a choice i would of done Spanish because there was a week when my school were going on a trip to Spain and we had one lesson in Spanish to prepare us and know how to say little things like please and thankyou etc.. and tbh i can remeber more in that 1 Spanish lesson than i can in 4 years of French lol. Maybe the language is easier? I dunno lol :shrug: x

We didn't have the option on Spanish in our school, it was French or German, and people told me that German is really hard!

Or should I say that people said:

L'allemand est vraiment dur

Sorry I'm on a roll! Lol!

03-06-2008, 08:19 PM

Il y a beaucoup d'avantages de savoir parler une langue étrangère, par exemple, on peut communiquer avec les gens du coin ou commander un repas dans leur langue. Habiter en France me permettrait de faire cela. Je voudrais habiter en France quand je serai plus âgé parce que je pourrais découvrir une nouvelle culture, et je sais que je pourrais trouver du travail si je parlais la langue correctement.

Yeah, I kind of love French x]

MrGaryy

03-06-2008, 08:19 PM

03-06-2008, 08:20 PM

German is more difficult than French, there are a lot of grammar rules that you need to learn.

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by x-Christina-x
Any chance any of you could do my coursework for me lool.
Ive been doing French for 4 years now and i honestly cannot
remeber a thing.. i can only translate certain words :bawling: Help lol x

Aww! I regret that I can't, I love French! Or should I say:

Je regrette que je ne puisse pas. J'aime le français

Lol! I think if i had a choice i would of done Spanish because there was a week when my school were going on a trip to Spain and we had one lesson in Spanish to prepare us and know how to say little things like please and thankyou etc.. and tbh i can remeber more in that 1 Spanish lesson than i can in 4 years of French lol. Maybe the language is easier? I dunno lol :shrug: x

We didn't have the option on Spanish in our school, it was French or German, and people told me that German is really hard!

Or should I say that people said:

L'allemand est vraiment dur

Sorry I'm on a roll! Lol! Lol yes you are on a roll. And neither did i :sad: But because there are six different year groups they are split so that three of the groups do French and the other three get to do Spanish.. unfourtunatly for me i got put into French lol. x

beanny

03-06-2008, 08:22 PM

i love french
j'adore le francais

i study it at college
j'etudie au lycee

Ashleee:)

03-06-2008, 08:24 PM

I cant speak french....so i let the funky music do the talking...:wink:

Actually, im not bad at it, i got the second highest mark i could get in my exam :)

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
I cant speak french....so i let the funky music do the talking...:wink:

Actually, Im not bad at it, i got the second highest mark i could get in my exam :) Haha! That songs dedicated to people like me :laugh: I heard somebody on the radio requested that song because they were doing their French Orals and apparantly they were rubbish at French x

Ashleee:)

03-06-2008, 08:27 PM

lol, if only we could just let the music do the talking :)

Christina

03-06-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
lol, if only we could just let the music do the talking :) I know lool x

Tom

03-06-2008, 10:55 PM

Girls Aloud actually recorded that song in French, its named Je Ne Parle Pas Français ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JmG7Rszc0c

Hows their French Remy?

Lauren

04-06-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Tom
Girls Aloud actually recorded that song in French, its named Je Ne Parle Pas Français ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JmG7Rszc0c

Hows their French Remy?

Hahaha, thats better than our version!!

Xander

04-06-2008, 01:52 AM

So weird that video, It's actually better than the original. :laugh:

Captain.Remy

04-06-2008, 05:01 AM

Message original : Tom
Girls Aloud actually recorded that song in French, its named Je Ne Parle Pas Français ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JmG7Rszc0c

Hows their French Remy?

It's not bad, it's understandable.

Captain.Remy

04-06-2008, 05:03 AM

Message original : Z
Il y a beaucoup d'avantages de savoir parler une langue étrangère, par exemple, on peut communiquer avec les gens du coin ou commander un repas dans leur langue. Habiter en France me permettrait de faire cela. Je voudrais habiter en France quand je serai plus âgé parce que je pourrais découvrir une nouvelle culture, et je sais que je pourrais trouver du travail si je parlais la langue correctement.

Yeah, I kind of love French x]

That's why I want to live in Britain lol Yeah I do agree with everything. :wink:

04-06-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z
Il y a beaucoup d'avantages de savoir parler une langue étrangère, par exemple, on peut communiquer avec les gens du coin ou commander un repas dans leur langue. Habiter en France me permettrait de faire cela. Je voudrais habiter en France quand je serai plus âgé parce que je pourrais découvrir une nouvelle culture, et je sais que je pourrais trouver du travail si je parlais la langue correctement.

Yeah, I kind of love French x]

That's why I want to live in Britain lol Yeah I do agree with everything. :wink:

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

Captain.Remy

04-06-2008, 02:19 PM

Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

ThisIsMarie

07-06-2008, 12:06 AM

On, deux, trois,
chantent avec moi ! :whistle:

That's all I remember from french lessons.
That and
-Je vis dans une grande, moedern maison.
-fri français

_Tom_

07-06-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by ThisIsMarie
On, deux, trois,
chantent avec moi ! :whistle:

That's all I remember from french lessons.
That and
-Je vis dans une grande, moedern maison.
-fri français

*Un

Tom4784

07-06-2008, 12:30 AM

Bonjour! J'm'apelle Dean! J'ai dix-huit ans. J'ai Yeux bleu et Cheval Marron!

'Hello! My Name is Dean! I'm 18 years old. I have blue eyes and brown hair!'

I think that's right, I haven't done french for about two years.

Je jeu Tennis et Badminton.

'I play Tennis and Badminton.'

J'ai deux poisson, on les s'appelle 99p et Vanhilda. J'ai eu l'habitude d'avoir un hamster s'appelle Phoenix, reste de Dieu son ame.

'I have two fish, they are called 99p and Vanhilda. I used to have a hamster called Phoenix, God rest his soul.'

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 07:29 AM

Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

Well, no need to be rude.
Secondly, I made a typo mistake, actually we have 20 tenses.
Actually when I say French is a hard language to learn, it is and I think I have seen enough people learning it to tell me it is way harder than English.
I never said it was the hardest in the world, it is not obviously and it is so not simple to learn.
So unless you speak 4 languages fluently like I do, I don't think you can teach my anything about my language or the post I made.
I made a typo mistake, sorry if it is the end of the world to you, but don't jump on me like that. :thumbs:

Tom

13-12-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

lmao, i love how someone is trying to have the upper hand and educate someone on their first language :laugh2:

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 12:12 PM

Message original : Tom

lmao, i love how someone is trying to have the upper hand and educate someone on their first language :laugh2:

At least if this member was right, I would have shut up. But they're not and are the one shouting crap. :hugesmile:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

Well, no need to be rude.
Secondly, I made a typo mistake, actually we have 20 tenses.
Actually when I say French is a hard language to learn, it is and I think I have seen enough people learning it to tell me it is way harder than English.
I never said it was the hardest in the world, it is not obviously and it is so not simple to learn.
So unless you speak 4 languages fluently like I do, I don't think you can teach my anything about my language or the post I made.
I made a typo mistake, sorry if it is the end of the world to you, but don't jump on me like that. :thumbs:
Let's think, how many tenses French has:

1. Present
2. Perfect
3. Imperfect
4. Pluperfect
5. Conditional
6. Future Simple
7. Future
8. Conditional Past
9. Future Past

That's nine!

English has those 9 tenses x 3 for emphatic and progressive tenses - 27 tenses!

I have learnt English and have been learning French for a few years, I found English easy to start with and then a lot harder at later stages - French I found more complicated to start with (still there's no complex grammatical concepts like case to learn though) and then it got easier. All I meant was the fact that you have complex conjugations doesn't add anything because in English time can be expressed a lot more finely..

My native language is Lithuanian, and I'm sick of Frenchies telling me how complicated their lanuage is - well it ain't! Lithuanian has 8 cases - nominative, accusative, dative, genetive, ablative, vocative, locative and instrumental when the French case system is no more complicated than English - subject and object pronouns.

And by the way, I speak Lithuanian, English, Danish and German fluently - so yes I am qualified to give an opinion!

Morphology

13-12-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Z

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

lmao, i love how someone is trying to have the upper hand and educate someone on their first language :laugh2:
I'm not - I'm making a completely objective comparison - I have no emotional ties to either language. So unless you've got something to add to the debate, why did you bother saying anything!? :rolleyes:

Tom4784

13-12-2008, 12:37 PM

I did french in GCSE but i've forgot most of it now. I do remember

'Je parle pas francais alors laisse funky music nouse faire danser'
I can't speak french but I let my funky music do the talking. Thanks GA!

I should look at me old textbooks i wouldn't mind a little refresher.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 12:40 PM

Message original : Morphology
Let's think, how many tenses French has:

1. Present
2. Perfect
3. Imperfect
4. Pluperfect
5. Conditional
6. Future Simple
7. Future
8. Conditional Past
9. Future Past

That's nine!

English has those 9 tenses x 3 for emphatic and progressive tenses - 27 tenses!

I have learnt English and have been learning French for a few years, I found English easy to start with and then a lot harder at later stages - French I found more complicated to start with (still there's no complex grammatical concepts like case to learn though) and then it got easier. All I meant was the fact that you have complex conjugations doesn't add anything because in English time can be expressed a lot more finely..

My native language is Lithuanian, and I'm sick of Frenchies telling me how complicated their lanuage is - well it ain't! Lithuanian has 8 cases - nominative, accusative, dative, genetive, ablative, vocative, locative and instrumental when the French case system is no more complicated than English - subject and object pronouns.

And by the way, I speak Lithuanian, English, Danish and German fluently - so yes I am qualified to give an opinion!

You're wrong, here are all the tenses:
1. Present: Je fais.
2. Imperfect: Je faisais.
3. Past simple: Je fis.
4. Past 2nd: J'eus fait.
5. Pluperfect: J'avais fait.
6. Conditional Present: Je ferais.
7. Conditional Past 1st: J'aurais fait.
8. Conditional Past 2nd: J'eusse fait.
9. Future Simple: Je ferai.
10. Future Past: J'aurai fait.
11. Subjonctive Present: que je fasse.
12. Subjonctive Past: que j'aie fait.
13.Subjonctive imperfect: que je fisse.
14.Subjonctive pluperfect: que j'eusse fait.
15.Infinitive present: faire
16.Infinitive past: avoir fait.
17.Participe present: faisant.
18.Participe past: fait, ayant fait.
19. Impératif present: Fais, faisons, faites.
20.Impératif past: aie fait, ayons fait, ayez fait.

So here are the 20.

Now, the French grammar is hard, because contrary to English, you do precise the gender.... And don't forget the accents.
And I know what you mean with the cases, I do speak Russian and I think we'll both agree: the languages with cases are harder than the rest. Also I never said the french case was harder than the English one: they're the same. The grammar and the tenses are different.

Also, English has way more words than French and that's is fact. But the English sentences are way smaller because they don't add pointless words in their sentence. :thumbs:

French is harder to learn than English, you can ask teachers and professionals, you'll see. :thumbs:

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 12:42 PM

Message original : Morphology

I'm not - I'm making a completely objective comparison - I have no emotional ties to either language. So unless you've got something to add to the debate, why did you bother saying anything!? :rolleyes:

I do too. Just because French is my native language doesn't mean I can't see straight. If I can add something, Russian and Italian are also my native languages since my parents are Russian & Italian and it doesn't stop me to give an opinion about those languages.

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:16 PM

Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You're wrong, here are all the tenses:
1. Present: Je fais.
2. Imperfect: Je faisais.
3. Past simple: Je fis.
4. Past 2nd: J'eus fait.
5. Pluperfect: J'avais fait.
6. Conditional Present: Je ferais.
7. Conditional Past 1st: J'aurais fait.
8. Conditional Past 2nd: J'eusse fait.
9. Future Simple: Je ferai.
10. Future Past: J'aurai fait.
---------------------------------------------------------
11. Subjonctive Present: que je fasse. - not a tense
12. Subjonctive Past: que j'aie fait. - not a tense
13.Subjonctive imperfect: que je fisse. - not a tense
14.Subjonctive pluperfect: que j'eusse fait. - not a tense
15.Infinitive present: faire - not a tense
16.Infinitive past: avoir fait.
17.Participe present: faisant. - not a tense
18.Participe past: fait, ayant fait. - not a tense
19. Impératif present: Fais, faisons, faites. - not a tense
20.Impératif past: aie fait, ayons fait, ayez fait. - not a tense

So here are the 20.

Now, the French grammar is hard, because contrary to English, you do precise the gender.... And don't forget the accents.
And I know what you mean with the cases, I do speak Russian and I think we'll both agree: the languages with cases are harder than the rest. Also I never said the french case was harder than the English one: they're the same. The grammar and the tenses are different.

Also, English has way more words than French and that's is fact. But the English sentences are way smaller because they don't add pointless words in their sentence. :thumbs:

French is harder to learn than English, you can ask teachers and professionals, you'll see. :thumbs:
Yes, I agree but to be pedantic, English has all those as well as continuous and emphatic forms:

I go
I do go
I am going
I have gone
I had gone
I went
I have been going
I had been going
I was going
I will go
I am going to go
I will be going
I am going to be going
I used to go
I would go
I would have gone
I would have been going
I will have gone
I am going to have gone
I will have been going
I am going to have been going
etc.

By the way, the subjunctive isn't a tense, it's a mood, and the imperative isn't a tense, it's a conjugation - both of which are, on the most part, completely analytical in English and completely synthetic in French.

You're right, English doesn't have noun gender, and in that regard French is more complicated than English but what does it actually add to a language, Lithuanian has four genders but what's the point? You can't express finer detail because of noun gender.

Even though the phonology in English and French are quite minimal compared to German and Spanish, I still find French phonology more regular than English. At least, in French the rules are there and are stuck to, whereas in English it's very erratic and so harder, for me defitinitely, to learn. I've learnt both, so I know what I'm on about here.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:28 PM

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.
I have learnt both! I'm not claiming English morphology is more complex - it isn't, French verb and adjective morphology is far more complex, but the time lapse expression is more precise!

French is more synthetic, English is more analytical - but on the whole both are quite analytical compared to my native language, Lithuanian, there are no noun case declensions in either French nor English.

"Don't dignify that with an answer" - It's a forum ffs, we're debating!

This forum is awful! You're all full of disdain and contempt for anyone new who joins and you all post c**p posts to up your post count!

youre the one who posts crapp posts! The only antagonist post here was yours, with insults to top it all! Look at this thread before you posted, and notice who showed any disdain or contempt. Again, the fact of the matter is, French is a more difficult language to master. It takes a lot longer to learn than english, its fact. You have proven this because you obviously cant post anything in french.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:33 PM

Message original : Morphology
Yes, I agree but to be pedantic, English has all those as well as continuous and emphatic forms:

I go
I do go
I am going
I have gone
I had gone
I went
I have been going
I had been going
I was going
I will go
I am going to go
I will be going
I am going to be going
I used to go
I would go
I would have gone
I would have been going
I will have gone
I am going to have gone
I will have been going
I am going to have been going
etc.

By the way, the subjunctive isn't a tense, it's a mood, and the imperative isn't a tense, it's a conjugation - both of which are, on the most part, completely analytical in English and completely synthetic in French.

You're right, English doesn't have noun gender, and in that regard French is more complicated than English but what does it actually add to a language, Lithuanian has four genders but what's the point? You can't express finer detail because of noun gender.

Even though the phonology in English and French are quite minimal compared to German and Spanish, I still find French phonology more regular than English. At least, in French the rules are there and are stuck to, whereas in English it's very erratic and so harder, for me defitinitely, to learn. I've learnt both, so I know what I'm on about here.

Imperative and subjunctive are both considered as tenses, confirmed.

We don't talk about Lithuanian, to be honest, it doesn't interest me, at all.
Both phonologies are regular, even though, and I agree, the English one is more 'unpredictable'. But don't forget that you do have links between words in French, and put in a certain way, you don't get the sentence.

In your opinion, this forum is awful because we don't agree with you, sorry about that, sorry if we know French a bit better than you do. :laugh:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.
I have learnt both! I'm not claiming English morphology is more complex - it isn't, French verb and adjective morphology is far more complex, but the time lapse expression is more precise!

French is more synthetic, English is more analytical - but on the whole both are quite analytical compared to my native language, Lithuanian, there are no noun case declensions in either French nor English.

"Don't dignify that with an answer" - It's a forum ffs, we're debating!

This forum is awful! You're all full of disdain and contempt for anyone new who joins and you all post c**p posts to up your post count!

youre the one who posts crapp posts! The only antagonist post here was yours, with insults to top it all! Again, the fact of the matter is, French is a more difficult language to master. It takes a lot longer to learn than english, its fact. You have proven this because you obviously cant post anything in french.
Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

I never ONCE claimed that English was more complicated than French, I always maintained that French morphology was more complicated - all I said was that time was expressed more finely in English and that compared to most lanaguages, both English and French are very analytical - no case systems! Who did I insult in my posts?

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
Yes, I agree but to be pedantic, English has all those as well as continuous and emphatic forms:

I go
I do go
I am going
I have gone
I had gone
I went
I have been going
I had been going
I was going
I will go
I am going to go
I will be going
I am going to be going
I used to go
I would go
I would have gone
I would have been going
I will have gone
I am going to have gone
I will have been going
I am going to have been going
etc.

By the way, the subjunctive isn't a tense, it's a mood, and the imperative isn't a tense, it's a conjugation - both of which are, on the most part, completely analytical in English and completely synthetic in French.

You're right, English doesn't have noun gender, and in that regard French is more complicated than English but what does it actually add to a language, Lithuanian has four genders but what's the point? You can't express finer detail because of noun gender.

Even though the phonology in English and French are quite minimal compared to German and Spanish, I still find French phonology more regular than English. At least, in French the rules are there and are stuck to, whereas in English it's very erratic and so harder, for me defitinitely, to learn. I've learnt both, so I know what I'm on about here.

Imperative and subjunctive are both considered as tenses, confirmed.

We don't talk about Lithuanian, to be honest, it doesn't interest me, at all.
Both phonologies are regular, even though, and I agree, the English one is more 'unpredictable'. But don't forget that you do have links between words in French, and put in a certain way, you don't get the sentence.

In your opinion, this forum is awful because we don't agree with you, sorry about that, sorry if we know French a bit better than you do. :laugh:
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:43 PM

Message original : Morphology

Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

Aint_mad_atcha and I speak French since our birth and have been learning English since we were really young, 6 y-o for me. Then we think we are more able to know French and English a bit better than you considering our background.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. But you're mostly wrong on certain points. :wink:

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.
I have learnt both! I'm not claiming English morphology is more complex - it isn't, French verb and adjective morphology is far more complex, but the time lapse expression is more precise!

French is more synthetic, English is more analytical - but on the whole both are quite analytical compared to my native language, Lithuanian, there are no noun case declensions in either French nor English.

"Don't dignify that with an answer" - It's a forum ffs, we're debating!

This forum is awful! You're all full of disdain and contempt for anyone new who joins and you all post c**p posts to up your post count!

youre the one who posts crapp posts! The only antagonist post here was yours, with insults to top it all! Again, the fact of the matter is, French is a more difficult language to master. It takes a lot longer to learn than english, its fact. You have proven this because you obviously cant post anything in french.
Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

I never ONCE claimed that English was more complicated than French, I always maintained than French morphology was more complicated - all I said was that time was expressed more finely in English and that compared to most lanaguages, both English and French are very analytical - no case systems! Who did I insult in my posts?

Yeah like I said before, I learned french when I first started school. And its my first language. I learned english when I was sixteen, and like I said, it took me 3 month to be able to use it academically. At this point in time, I find it easier to communicate in English, than in French. Youve been learning the language for a few years, you have posted on this thread to show your expertise in the language. The fact that you still consider yourself such a novice, to the point that you dont even want to post in French on here, is your answer as to which language is more difficult! Now until you do, please refrain from talking utter non sense.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:45 PM

Message original : Morphology
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

Aint_mad_atcha and I speak French since our birth and have been learning English since we were really young, 6 y-o for me. Then we think we are more able to know French and English a bit better than you considering our background.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. But you're mostly wrong on certain points. :wink:
Look, the only points where I'm wrong are the counter arguments which you have fabricated against me. I never said that Engilsh was more complicated, you said I said that - that's the only duff point from me, and I didn't even say it!

You're the laughable bunch! Sorry, it's true.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha

Yeah like I said before, I learned french when I first started school. And its my first language. I learned english when I was sixteen, and like I said, it took me 3 month to be able to use it academically. At this point in time, I find it easier to communicate in English, than in French. Youve been learning the language for a few years, you have posted on this thread to show your expertise in the language. The fact that you still consider yourself such a novice, to the point that you dont even want to post in French on here, is your answer as to which language is more difficult! Now until you do, please refrain from talking utter non sense.

The funniest thing is, he actually thinks he knows his facts more than we do...both from French speaking countries ! It just amazes me.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:48 PM

Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

Aint_mad_atcha and I speak French since our birth and have been learning English since we were really young, 6 y-o for me. Then we think we are more able to know French and English a bit better than you considering our background.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. But you're mostly wrong on certain points. :wink:
Look, the only points where I'm wrong are the counter arguments which you have fabricated against me. I never said that Engilsh was more complicated, you said I said that - that's the only duff point from me, and I didn't even say it!

You're the laughable bunch! Sorry, it's true.

At least, we made you laugh. If your whole point was showing how French and English are analytical languages, we already knew it so you wasted your time there.

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:48 PM

The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francophone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!
Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

Well stop talking then. Go back and look at this thread, until you posted, your very aggressive and antagonising posts, everything was very peaceful.

And its francophone, not francaphone!

Glad to see you can at least posts "Je fais and Il fait "
Not bad for years of studying french.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:54 PM

Message original : Morphology
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

You turned the debate into an argument, you didn't need to be rude, at all.

And yes, it's a French book (obviously) and not a one for students.
If the radio thing is serious, then you're dumber than I thought because we do have English songs.

By the way, imperative is meant to give an order: Ris, Rions, Riez.
The subjunctive is a tense as the others, why do you keep denying it ?

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!
Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

Morphology

13-12-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

Well stop talking then. Go back and look at this thread, until you posted, your very aggressive and antagonising posts, everything was very peaceful.

And its francophone, not francaphone!

Glad to see you can at least posts "Je fais and Il fait "
Not bad for years of studying french.

How does one typo disprove my point??

I used those two examples "je fais" and "il fait" to press my point - not in reply to your post.

Why don't you use your knowledge of French to disprove me then instead of giving your runnig commentary of the debate? You've given no concrete argument yet. Not bad for someone who apparently speaks French fluently. :rolleyes:

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 01:59 PM

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!
Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

I'm sure he's going to tell you that Senegal is not an French speaking country ! :tongue: After all, we don't know anything about French huh ?

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

You turned the debate into an argument, you didn't need to be rude, at all.

And yes, it's a French book (obviously) and not a one for students.
If the radio thing is serious, then you're dumber than I thought because we do have English songs.

By the way, imperative is meant to give an order: Ris, Rions, Riez.
The subjunctive is a tense as the others, why do you keep denying it ?
Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!
Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?
You still haven't answered my question. :rolleyes:

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:05 PM

Message original : Morphology

Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

Not necessarily, Imperative forms is a conjugation of tense, I agree, but put in the way they must be, they are fully tenses.
And can you tell me how 'que je meure' (subjonctive present of the verb 'Mourir') is not a tense ? I'm just curious.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Morphology
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!
Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

I'm sure he's going to tell you that Senegal is not an French speaking country ! :tongue: After all, we don't know anything about French huh ?
Assumptions and fabrications yet again:

1) When did I say that you don't know anything about French?

2) Why the hell would I say that Senegal isn't a French speaking country anyway?

What an idiotic post! This is getting ridiculous anyway, I've said all I wanted to.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:09 PM

Message original : Morphology

Assumptions and fabrications yet again:

1) When did I say that you don't know anything about French?

2) Why the hell would I say that Senegal isn't a French speaking country anyway?

What an idiotic post! This is getting ridiculous anyway, I've said all I wanted to.

I was sarcastic right ? A bit of humour wouldn't be bad for you. :laugh:
Do all Lithuanian people act like that ? Bless you then.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

Not necessarily, Imperative forms is a conjugation of tense, I agree, but put in the way they must be, they are fully tenses.
And can you tell me how 'que je meure' (subjonctive present of the verb 'Mourir') is not a tense ? I'm just curious.
It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:19 PM

Message original : Morphology
It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. :thumbs: I'm just trying to help. :laugh:

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 02:24 PM

Franchement ce n'est pas la peine de lui donner de l'attention. Je suis sur qu'il ne parle aucune goutte de francais. Il aime raconter sa vie juste pour nous faire chier. Donc c'est un debat inutile a mon avis!

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. :thumbs: I'm just trying to help. :laugh:

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha
Franchement ce n'est pas la peine de lui donner de l'attention. Je suis sur qu'il ne parle aucune goutte de francais. Il aime raconter sa vie juste pour nous faire chier. Donc c'est un debat inutile a mon avis!

Je pense aussi, on ne le connait pas et il parle méchamment. Je pense qu'il parle français mais pas assez pour nous donner des leçons, surtout que nous sommes français (toi tu viens du Sénégal mais c'est pareil). :hugesmile:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Aint_mad_atcha - at least Rémy has replied to me and debated, you've just given your runnig commentary of the debate fabricating accusations in the process. I mean, when the hell did I say that French was simple, I never did! You're an idiot!!

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:31 PM

Message original : Morphology

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. :thumbs: I'm just trying to help. :laugh:

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'. [/quote]

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now ! :rolleyes:

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ?

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. :thumbs: I'm just trying to help. :laugh:

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'.

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now ! :rolleyes:

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ? [/quote]

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Message original : Morphology

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.

Actually, 'je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is the right form. But you can still deny it, after all, I just live in France for the last 19 years. :rolleyes:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.

Actually, 'je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is the right form. But you can still deny it, after all, I just live in France for the last 19 years. :rolleyes:

Well there we go, I was right then. That's what I said originally but then you gave me some grammar lesson. :rolleyes:

AngRemembered

13-12-2008, 02:40 PM

I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:
The French are so proud, they've even restricted the number of English songs that can be played on French radio.

Firewire

13-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Wow. Je ne peux pas croire que ce fil est toujours en cours après que j'ai créé en Juin.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.

Actually, 'je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is the right form. But you can still deny it, after all, I just live in France for the last 19 years. :rolleyes:

Well there we go, I was right then. That's what I said originally but then you gave me some grammar lesson. :rolleyes:

but 'je veux' is not the subjunctive, it's the present, just what I said earlier. The subjunctive form is 'que je soit'.
Like I said, go back to your school books to learn French.

Wildcat!

13-12-2008, 02:48 PM

Ce fil? Que ce que ca ve dire? C'est ca le probleme avec google. C'est un programme, donc il n'est pas sans faille.
Its funny Firewire, you probably googled thread, and it translated it fil. Which in french only means thread as in sewing kit thread.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:48 PM

Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:
The French are so proud, they've even restricted the number of English songs that can be played on French radio.

Actually If I was you, I wouldn't make comments about France because Lithuania is not exactly a role model and a big country.
So unless you find something actually not pointless, you can talk. :rolleyes:

Morphology

13-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.

Actually, 'je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is the right form. But you can still deny it, after all, I just live in France for the last 19 years. :rolleyes:

Well there we go, I was right then. That's what I said originally but then you gave me some grammar lesson. :rolleyes:

but 'je veux' is not the subjunctive, it's the present, just what I said earlier. The subjunctive form is 'que je soit'.
Like I said, go back to your school books to learn French.
Yes but etre (with ^) is in the subjunctive in that sentence not vouloir!

Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

You only use subjunctive after the "que" so it would be ridiculuos to use the subjunctive form of vouloir here unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

Captain.Remy

13-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Message original : Morphology

Yes but etre (with ^) is in the subjunctive in that sentence not vouloir!

Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

You only use subjunctive after the "que" so it would be ridiculuos to use the subjunctive form of vouloir here unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

I think we are saying the same thing but not in the same way. Anyway, I do get my point and I understand myself, sorry if you can't get it.

Morphology

13-12-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morphology

Yes but etre (with ^) is in the subjunctive in that sentence not vouloir!

Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

You only use subjunctive after the "que" so it would be ridiculuos to use the subjunctive form of vouloir here unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé.

I think we are saying the same thing but not in the same way. Anyway, I do get my point and I understand myself, sorry if you can't get it.
Well that was my point in this first place. Why bring the subjunctive form of 'vouloir' into it?

Anyway, this is just getting stupid now.

Indierock&roll

13-12-2008, 03:01 PM

salut! :thumbs:

haha

SiaSiaSia

14-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Finalement! Un lieu où je peut parler en français :]

Cava, mes amis? j'ai écrit réccement que j'étais partir TiBB, mais maintenant j'ai décidé c'etait un peu stupide et personne ne remarquera les deux sens. Aussi, quelquefois quand je visite TiBB, je pourrais vouloir parler quelque chose :P.

Donc, je suis une "membre inactif", peut-etre?

Sia xxx

that's such terrible french, i'll edit it later

lily.

14-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:

What an incredibly racist and narrow minded view. You should be ashamed of yourself.

AngRemembered

14-12-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Freyja
Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:

What an incredibly racist and narrow minded view. You should be ashamed of yourself.

LOL
Nope, I just dislike everything to do with France and why should I be ashamed of that?

Captain.Remy

14-12-2008, 04:10 PM

Message original : Angiebabe
Originally posted by Freyja
Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:

What an incredibly racist and narrow minded view. You should be ashamed of yourself.

LOL
Nope, I just dislike everything to do with France and why should I be ashamed of that?

Can you tell us why at least ? I'm just curious.

Captain.Remy

14-12-2008, 04:12 PM

Message original : SiaSiaSia
Finalement! Un lieu où je peut parler en français :]

Cava, mes amis? j'ai écrit réccement que j'étais partir TiBB, mais maintenant j'ai décidé c'etait un peu stupide et personne ne remarquera les deux sens. Aussi, quelquefois quand je visite TiBB, je pourrais vouloir parler quelque chose :P.

Donc, je suis une "membre inactif", peut-etre?

Sia xxx

that's such terrible french, i'll edit it later

Coucou Sia,

ça fait plaisir de te voir ! :hugesmile: Tu m'as manqué, c'était un peu triste sans toi, mais je suis pas venu souvent ici.

There's a few mistakes in your post babe but they aren't big, I'll let you find them alone. :tongue:

bronaaaa

14-12-2008, 04:15 PM

bonjour :xyxwave:

AngRemembered

14-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Angiebabe
Originally posted by Freyja
Originally posted by Angiebabe
I dislike everything about France, and this thread is even more reason why:whistle:

What an incredibly racist and narrow minded view. You should be ashamed of yourself.

LOL
Nope, I just dislike everything to do with France and why should I be ashamed of that?

Can you tell us why at least ? I'm just curious.

I find most things French vastly overated, I hate snobbery which France seems to monopolise the world at.
Its acountry known for its sexist views that woman are objects, yet still claims to be a romantic paradise..LMAO

I think it must have been a typo, the country is a romantic parasite more like, and I hate it, and everything it stands for.

Captain.Remy

14-12-2008, 04:25 PM

Message original : Angiebabe

I find most things French vastly overated, I hate snobbery which France seems to monopolise the world at.
Its acountry known for its sexist views that woman are objects, yet still claims to be a romantic paradise..LMAO

I think it must have been a typo, the country is a romantic parasite more like, and I hate it, and everything it stands for.

I see what you're saying, the fact that France seems to be arrogant.
As for the sexist views, I disagree, we had a woman on the 2nd round at the Presidential elections, she's been supported by 47% of the population, that's not nothing !

Have you ever been in France ? If not, I don't know how you can have such a harsh opinion on it without being in France.
I don't like my country that much, but not for these reasons, so I can understand you.

AngRemembered

14-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Angiebabe

I find most things French vastly overated, I hate snobbery which France seems to monopolise the world at.
Its acountry known for its sexist views that woman are objects, yet still claims to be a romantic paradise..LMAO

I think it must have been a typo, the country is a romantic parasite more like, and I hate it, and everything it stands for.

I see what you're saying, the fact that France seems to be arrogant.
As for the sexist views, I disagree, we had a woman on the 2nd round at the Presidential elections, she's been supported by 47% of the population, that's not nothing !

Have you ever been in France ? If not, I don't know how you can have such a harsh opinion on it without being in France.
I don't like my country that much, but not for these reasons, so I can understand you.

Yes, I've been to France,, and its the country its views and values I dislike, not its people.
It is a general view, and you will find differing examples that contradict what I have experienced, such as your view on France not being sexist.
What I will say is..more than 47% voted for Barrack Obama and he actually won his election, on this basis then can we now say that America has rid itself of extreme rascist groups?

I don't dislike French people in general and definately not merely for being French (thats the dfinition of rascist..for the person who reffered me to that) indeed I had French exchange students for 14 consecutive summers, enough time I'd say to form an oppinion of the country and I'd say more than enough time to prove I'm no rascist.
But I appreciate your asking and giving your differnet oppinion Remy, rather than taking the real narrow minded view like the other.

Captain.Remy

14-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Message original : Angiebabe

Yes, I've been to France,, and its the country its views and values I dislike, not its people.
It is a general view, and you will find differing examples that contradict what I have experienced, such as your view on France not being sexist.
What I will say is..more than 47% voted for Barrack Obama and he actually won his election, on this basis then can we now say that America has rid itself of extreme rascist groups?

I don't dislike French people in general and definately not merely for being French (thats the dfinition of rascist..for the person who reffered me to that) indeed I had French exchange students for 14 consecutive summers, enough time I'd say to form an oppinion of the country and I'd say more than enough time to prove I'm no rascist.
But I appreciate your asking and giving your differnet oppinion Remy, rather than taking the real narrow minded view like the other.

Good to know you don't dislike the people.
Of course there are sexists people over there, but the fact a woman made it this far for the first time in French history changed a lot of things. Same thing for Obama: it doesn't mean there are no longer racist groups.

I thought you were one of these people who judges without knowing but since you had a lot of experience with it, then I just have to respect.
Like I said, I don't like my country that much, it's not where I want to work, to live and to raise my children then I can fully understand what you're saying. :wink:

lily.

14-12-2008, 04:47 PM

It's spelled "racist". And, I didn't call you a racist. I said you had posted a racist view. And, I stand by it.

SiaSiaSia

14-12-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : SiaSiaSia
Finalement! Un lieu où je peux parler en français :]

Ca va, mes amis? J'ai écrit récemment que je partais TiBB, mais maintenant j'ai décidé c'était un peu stupide et on ne pourrait soins* pas si j'étais d'ici ou ne pas... aussi quelquefois je peux parler quelque chose, sans les gens moi-dit "Pourquoi es-tu d'ici? Tu as quitté!" :P.

Donc, je suis une "membre un peu inactif", peut-etre?! :P

Sia xxx

EDITED :P
*Googled that, was supposed to mean "care"? as in, the sentence was "they wouldn't care if i was here or not"

Coucou Sia,

ça fait plaisir de te voir ! :hugesmile: Tu m'as manqué, c'était un peu triste sans toi, mais je suis pas venu souvent ici.

There's a few mistakes in your post babe but they aren't big, I'll let you find them alone. :tongue:

Hahaha yeah, i changed it a bit [see above] but i probably made it worse. oh well. Anyway

Merci Remy :), je suis très heureuse, je t'ai* manqué et ton visage d'un ange aussi (:P). Donc... Ça va? Cette Weekend je suis allée au Manchester! C'était très bon, mais je suis très fatiguée maintenant, parce qu'aujourd'hui j'ai beaucoup voyagé :P, et aussi la nuit dernière mon petit-ami a fait une boum que c'était bon mais j'ai fumé trop j'ai bu trop d'alcool... ;P

*haha i'm rubbish at preceding direct objects so i completley guessed that :(

Captain.Remy

15-12-2008, 04:38 AM

Message original : SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : SiaSiaSia
Finalement! Un lieu où je peux parler en français :]

Ca va, mes amis? J'ai écrit récemment que je partais TiBB, mais maintenant j'ai décidé c'était un peu stupide et on ne pourrait soins* pas si j'étais d'ici ou ne pas... aussi quelquefois je peux parler quelque chose, sans les gens moi-dit "Pourquoi es-tu d'ici? Tu as quitté!" :P.

Donc, je suis une "membre un peu inactif", peut-etre?! :P

Sia xxx

EDITED :P
*Googled that, was supposed to mean "care"? as in, the sentence was "they wouldn't care if i was here or not"

Coucou Sia,

ça fait plaisir de te voir ! :hugesmile: Tu m'as manqué, c'était un peu triste sans toi, mais je suis pas venu souvent ici.

There's a few mistakes in your post babe but they aren't big, I'll let you find them alone. :tongue:

Hahaha yeah, i changed it a bit [see above] but i probably made it worse. oh well. Anyway

Merci Remy :), je suis très heureuse, je t'ai* manqué et ton visage d'un ange aussi (:P). Donc... Ça va? Cette Weekend je suis allée au Manchester! C'était très bon, mais je suis très fatiguée maintenant, parce qu'aujourd'hui j'ai beaucoup voyagé :P, et aussi la nuit dernière mon petit-ami a fait une boum que c'était bon mais j'ai fumé trop j'ai bu trop d'alcool... ;P

*haha i'm rubbish at preceding direct objects so i completley guessed that :(

Here are the mistakes:
'que je partais de TIBB'
'soins' means 'health care and DO NOT use Google translation, you have dozens of translators on the Internet, but not that one !
'je peux parler de quelque chose'
'sans que les gens me disent'
'Tu es partie'.

Merci pour le compliment ! Moi aussi je suis fatigué car j'ai bu et fumé aussi, un peu trop. Bisous ! :hugesmile:

ange7

15-12-2008, 05:09 AM

What are you on about? Google Translation works fine....

"Merci pour le compliment ! Moi aussi je suis fatigué car j'ai bu et fumé aussi, un peu trop. Bisous !"

"Merci pour le compliment !"
Mercy pour the compliments!"

"Moi aussi je suis fatigué car"
My Aussie Jesus's tired car"

"j'ai bu et fumé aussi, un peu trop. Bisous !"
runs on butt fumes from Aussies, one fart per tropicana. Cheesy surrender kisses!

Thanks you google translator!

SiaSiaSia

15-12-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : SiaSiaSia
Finalement! Un lieu où je peux parler en français :]

Ca va, mes amis? J'ai écrit récemment que je partais TiBB, mais maintenant j'ai décidé c'était un peu stupide et on ne pourrait soins* pas si j'étais d'ici ou ne pas... aussi quelquefois je peux parler quelque chose, sans les gens moi-dit "Pourquoi es-tu d'ici? Tu as quitté!" :P.

Donc, je suis une "membre un peu inactif", peut-etre?! :P

Sia xxx

EDITED :P
*Googled that, was supposed to mean "care"? as in, the sentence was "they wouldn't care if i was here or not"

Coucou Sia,

ça fait plaisir de te voir ! :hugesmile: Tu m'as manqué, c'était un peu triste sans toi, mais je suis pas venu souvent ici.

There's a few mistakes in your post babe but they aren't big, I'll let you find them alone. :tongue:

Hahaha yeah, i changed it a bit [see above] but i probably made it worse. oh well. Anyway

Merci Remy :), je suis très heureuse, je t'ai* manqué et ton visage d'un ange aussi (:P). Donc... Ça va? Cette Weekend je suis allée au Manchester! C'était très bon, mais je suis très fatiguée maintenant, parce qu'aujourd'hui j'ai beaucoup voyagé :P, et aussi la nuit dernière mon petit-ami a fait une boum que c'était bon mais j'ai fumé trop j'ai bu trop d'alcool... ;P

*haha i'm rubbish at preceding direct objects so i completley guessed that :(

Here are the mistakes:
'que je partais de TIBB'
'soins' means 'health care and DO NOT use Google translation, you have dozens of translators on the Internet, but not that one !
'je peux parler de quelque chose'
'sans que les gens me disent'
'Tu es partie'.

Merci pour le compliment ! Moi aussi je suis fatigué car j'ai bu et fumé aussi, un peu trop. Bisous ! :hugesmile:

Hahahahahahahhahaha
It's morning time and laughing at my mistakes :P

EX-COMMUNIST

06-02-2009, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.

What are you on about “It doesn’t get simpler”? That’s completely wrong!

There are plenty of languages that are simpler morphologically than English – Afrikaans, Thai, Vietnamese, Norwegian, just to name a few. And why have all these Francophones got this attitude that synthesis equals difficulty. Chinese is the epitome of analysis and it’s probably the hardest language anyone can learn and it’s one of the most morphologically simple languages in the world.

French, stuck under the tyranny of “L’Académie Francaise” is going stagnant. English on the other hand is free to change. Although it’s currently semi-analytical, it will become more synthetic at some point in the future when the prepositions merge on to the noun into case prefixes, which will then deteriorate over time, which will make way for postpositions with the language back in its analytical state. Then the postpositions will merge onto the noun into case suffixes which will make English synthetic again, having gone full circle. English is free to develop in circles of analysis to synthesis to analysis like all natural languages are doing and have always done:

Synthetic (suffixes) [Anglo-saxon] ->
Analytical (prepositions) [Modern English] ->
Synthetic (prefixes) [in the future] ->
Analytical (postpositions) [in the future] ->
Synthetic (suffixes) [in the future] etc…
and we will have gone full circle and will continue to do so!

French on the other hand will die out eventually since it’s so tightly regulated and isn’t allowed to evolve naturally. Inflections derive from particles that merge onto nouns turning into prefixes or suffixes. So, why don’t you proud Frenchies let your language evolve?!

So get rid of your egoistic attitude of: “Synthesis = Superiority” and “Analysis = Inferiority”! Languages go through cycles of analysis and synthesis; it just happens to be that English is currently semi-analytical and French is currently semi-synthetic.