View Full Version : Victor the victor
AndyJK
19-06-2004, 06:24 PM
Through his intimidation and bullying, Victor has forced BB to evict Emma by refusing to bury the hatchet ruling out another repeat of Wednesday's evening fight, thus threatening Emma's own personal safety if she returned. What a brute. I bet he feels smuggly proud his aggressive, threatening behaviour towards a girl has paid off.
How can BB producers justify their decision when Victor gets let off with a slapped wrist when he has broken other rules like climbing the roof? Look at the way he has taken control of the house and placed his strangehold over the other housemates. Why should Emma be the victim in this when she merely stood up to a nasty bully?
What a disgrace :bored:
There is only one person in the BB house that I can say that I do not like and that person is Victor.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 06:38 PM
I am now struggling to want to continue watching this BB disgrace. Such a shame and what an example to set. Allowing a prize rat to flourish at the expense of a youngster who wanted to enjoy herself and entertain us all.
The slickman skunk just want's to be the "Big man" along with the muscle brain Jason:mad::mad:
BusyBee
19-06-2004, 06:42 PM
As I've said before the bullies have won. I am disgusted that Victor and Jason for that matter have been allowed to get off scot free.
BB you have taken the easy route. They should all have been chucked out not just Emma.
Cant wait for Victor to leave - they thought the reception that Adele got was bad, but that will be nothing to what greets me.
I hope BB gets lot of complaints. Victor the vile to go.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 06:44 PM
Daniel was given instructions to read out the news of Emma leaving. Some glum faces at the moment. Victor was silent so to was Jason. Won't be long before they start grinning at evil being triumphant over good.:devil:
Originally posted by BusyBee
Cant wait for Victor to leave
Fear not half the country can't wait for Victor to leave, he may think he's the master of "the game" but wait until he's voted and I don't think it'll be long before he's for the public vote :hugesmile:
BusyBee
19-06-2004, 06:50 PM
Amy the first time he is up for the public vote he will be out (the only way he has a chance of staying in is if Jason is up with him).
golden~rose
19-06-2004, 06:52 PM
just gives victor an even bigger head, now he thinks that he is manipulating bb!!!
BusyBee
19-06-2004, 06:55 PM
just gives victor an even bigger head, now he thinks that he is manipulating bb!!!
Think on Victor the bigger the head the further you have to fall when you come out.
Slartibartfast
19-06-2004, 07:01 PM
I can't believe Emma is being made out to be the poor victim in all this. She instigated the whole affair!! BB has to take some responsibility for sticking her in a little room and letting her build herself up to such a frenzy that when she got in the house, she just burst!
But Jay and Vic (neither of whom am I a big fan of anyway) left them and went out to the snug. Ok they went out to plot, but at least they left them alone. And she couldn't let it lie, and provoked and taunted them. If anything, she asked for a lot of it. Vic is just right to not want to talk to her again. He has no idea what to expect from her, the girl is nuts. It's best for her and her family that she be sent home.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 07:10 PM
Wouldn't you burst if you had been cooped up for days in a bedsit not seeing the light of day. listening to people talk about you and insult you. And not be able to defend youself.
This was a cruel and intolorable srtess that was put on both girls for our entertainment. so i think the least we could do is support them instead of making out it's their fault...The truth is most of us are to blame wanting an exciting BB. Well we got it. So now let's have some fair play and justice to the players...:mad::devil:
James
19-06-2004, 07:12 PM
I can't believe Emma is being made out to be the poor victim in all this. She instigated the whole affair!! BB has to take some responsibility for sticking her in a little room and letting her build herself up to such a frenzy that when she got in the house, she just burst!
But Jay and Vic (neither of whom am I a big fan of anyway) left them and went out to the snug. Ok they went out to plot, but at least they left them alone. And she couldn't let it lie, and provoked and taunted them. If anything, she asked for a lot of it. Vic is just right to not want to talk to her again. He has no idea what to expect from her, the girl is nuts. It's best for her and her family that she be sent home.
Yeah, after watching Emma the other night I can see why they've removed her. She seemed to have regressed into childhood!
And if Victor is going to become the most hated person in Britain I don't see how he can consider himself victorious.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 07:20 PM
She seemed to have regressed into childhood!
I don't think she has regressed as she has shown to have a natural childish personality or even a low mental age with a tendency to throw tantrums. No doubt that's why she was selected in the first place.
As a footnote on E4 it hasn't taken Jason long to start his usual mauling of Venessa. She needs a much better player than him to save her from the chop.....
BusyBee
19-06-2004, 07:21 PM
As I've said before either the psychologists were rubbish or BB ignored their views. I was actually speaking to a psychologist yesterday and they said that putting two girls in a room as BB did and letting them watch what others were saying would have badly affected the sanest of people let alone someone like Emma and then to put her back in by herself she would have seen as punishing her. He reckons that she will need a lot of help.
BTW he says Victor's behaviour is of someone who is putting on a huge act to everyone whilst having insecurity tendencies. He picks on the weakest to make the others think he is someone to be reckoned with and who you shouldnt get on the wrong side of.
Cant see the insecurity myself.:shocked:
Slartibartfast
19-06-2004, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by bananarama
Wouldn't you burst if you had been cooped up for days in a bedsit not seeing the light of day. listening to people talk about you and insult you. And not be able to defend youself.
This was a cruel and intolorable srtess that was put on both girls for our entertainment. so i think the least we could do is support them instead of making out it's their fault...The truth is most of us are to blame wanting an exciting BB. Well we got it. So now let's have some fair play and justice to the players...:mad::devil:
Michelle seems to be doing alright after her time in the bedsit.
and I can't believe Emma got so high and mighty about people talking about her. Only two days into the show, her and Marco were out bitching in the snug about Vanessa. And that was just the start.
I have very little sympathy for her, aprt from the fact that BB have to take some of the blame for it all. But even after the whole big fight, she was still happy and hyper in the bedsit. As if nothing had happened. The girl needs to go home, and Victor made a wise choice not wanting to face that again.
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I have very little sympathy for her, aprt from the fact that BB have to take some of the blame for it all. But even after the whole big fight, she was still happy and hyper in the bedsit. As if nothing had happened. The girl needs to go home, and Victor made a wise choice not wanting to face that again.
Lets not forget here that Michelle came up with the "lets wind the hosuemates up " plan whilst in the bedsit and Emma, like she always did, did as Michelle told her too and Michelle seems to have got away with anything to do with the bedsit and arguments since. I know Emma is no angel, I've said that all day but no one person can be to blame for this whole argument as everyone at one point got involved.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 07:32 PM
Cant see the insecurity myself
No. You can't see it outwardly but he has to keep proving and telling the world how great he is. So yes he is insecure and potentially quite dangerous to anyone who is able to belittle his self dream of himself.
Emma is safer outside his company but he should have been removed and not her.
Slartibartfast
19-06-2004, 07:39 PM
Yeah, but Michelle's plan was to go in and not tell them about the whole bedsit thing, and try to slowly wind them. using subtlety [sic?] and guile (which was always gonna fail) Whereas, on her own Emma would have charged in and had gone straight for Vic.
Don't get me wrong, all are to blame to some degree (well, except poor Ahmed, I think the rowdy housemates woke him up!!), but BB and Emma have to take the lions share, and I can't see how people can make out that poor Emma is the victim, while Victor is made out to be the embodiment of evil in human form.
bananarama
19-06-2004, 07:41 PM
Well. we all see things differently. Be a dull world if we did not...
golden~rose
19-06-2004, 07:42 PM
i agree, that they are all to blame in many ways after it was a complex argument as too much was going on before, during and after the argument!!
James
19-06-2004, 07:49 PM
I'm surprised people think Emma is all sweetness and light. She did spit over Victor (not nice) and repeated 'I'll ****ing kill ya' over and over again. Though of course it is worse when a man is being aggresive to a woman.
But I thought Jason outdid Victor in the scarily aggresive stakes. He looked and sounded very close to throwing a punch.
The fact that Emma denied there would be anymore trouble, in the manner that a child would, afterwards suggests to me that she hasn't dealt with it properly inside her own head.
Hooly One
19-06-2004, 07:58 PM
The good thing about this is, that the public have seen his bullying and his intimidation of HMs (' He also seems to think the public are a bunch of morons').. when he is evicted in the next couple of weeks, he will be booed and probably egged.
It's so going to happen, he's likely going to be booed worser then adele was in bb3.
Slartibartfast
19-06-2004, 08:09 PM
Why is it worse when a man is aggressive to a woman than vice versa? Does this mean women can be aggressive to men, safe in the knowledge that any aggressive reaction by the man will ultimately been seen as worse?
golden~rose
19-06-2004, 08:33 PM
personally i dont think its fair, but it seems that there are alot of reasons, like women give birth etc.
Sticks
19-06-2004, 08:54 PM
This has appeared on Sky News (http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/article/0,,30000-13132468,00.html)
Victor should be the winner of BB5
This will show that threats and intimidation do work, as they do in the real world.
I was told once by an ex teacher that they used bullies and made them something like head prefect. If they instill fear, then give them a badge and authority to beat up the weaklings. In effect the bullies become teachers pet. :thumbs:
Works in the prison service as well, bullies are employed to help keep order.
And of course at work, management by fear gets results....
The Tag line to BB5 is Big Brother gets Evil
What can be more evil than making Victor the ultimate winner of BB5
(Can I get my toungue out of my cheek now ?)
bananarama
19-06-2004, 09:08 PM
I think it's worse for men to be agressive because as a rule men have more muscle power and are thus more dangerous.
But there's no mistaking certain women can be just as deadly.....
AndyJK
19-06-2004, 09:17 PM
I'm not excusing Emma's actions, and I fully accept she behaved very badly during the fight (I wasn't aware she spat at Victor either). As bananarama said, Emma went in for a laugh but unfortunately came up against stronger players who have used their brute strength and intelligence to intimidate her. Emma's immediate reaction was to put into effect her streetwise Manc upbringing to stand her ground, rather than be pushed over.
It must be a psychological blow for Emma. She will definitely need a lot of care and attention after this, and I hope she pulls through hopefully making a few quid from the tabloids no doubt all eagar for her story. That would be some consolation. And I think we can rule out any chance of her ever having a career in TV too.
golden~rose
19-06-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Sticks
This has appeared on Sky News (http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/article/0,,30000-13132468,00.html)
Victor should be the winner of BB5
This will show that threats and intimidation do work, as they do in the real world.
I was told once by an ex teacher that they used bullies and made them something like head prefect. If they instill fear, then give them a badge and authority to beat up the weaklings. In effect the bullies become teachers pet. :thumbs:
Works in the prison service as well, bullies are employed to help keep order.
And of course at work, management by fear gets results....
The Tag line to BB5 is Big Brother gets Evil
What can be more evil than making Victor the ultimate winner of BB5
(Can I get my toungue out of my cheek now ?)
yes that would be evil, but i respect a honest (blunt) and genuine person and seeing vic win would go against that!!!
bananarama
19-06-2004, 09:36 PM
Poor girl she has apparently been sacked from every job she has had. (She's only 20 though) and now she's been sacked from BB.:laugh:
For some reason she reminds me of the old timer banjo player George Formby. Perhaps it's her accent,voice,head movements. I'm sure it's him re-encarnated...:laugh:
golden~rose
19-06-2004, 09:39 PM
:joker:
Hooly One
19-06-2004, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by bananarama
Poor girl she has apparently been sacked from every job she has had. (She's only 20 though) and now she's been sacked from BB.:laugh:
For some reason she reminds me of the old timer banjo player George Formby. Perhaps it's her accent,voice,head movements. I'm sure it's him re-encarnated...:laugh:
Lol! bananarama
Hey! stop talking about my great great uncle George Formby and yes he really is.
My mother has pics of him and her has a child and she has one of his Banjos.
James
19-06-2004, 09:46 PM
They used to show repeats of his films on TV when I was young. I was a bit of a fan!
:hugesmile:
Originally posted by Hooly One
Hey! stop talking about my great great uncle George Formby and yes he really is.
My mother has pics of him and her has a child and she has one of his Banjos.
Really! :shocked:
bananarama
19-06-2004, 09:50 PM
Gosh I didn't think I was musical enough to strike a chord..:laugh:
Hooly One
19-06-2004, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Amy
Originally posted by Hooly One
Hey! stop talking about my great great uncle George Formby and yes he really is.
My mother has pics of him and her has a child and she has one of his Banjos.
Really! :shocked:
Yep, i look a bit like him myself..
But i'm not ugly and i don't have big teeth:hugesmile:
Hooly One
19-06-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by bananarama
Gosh I didn't think I was musical enough to strike a chord..:laugh:
Lol!:hugesmile:
Sunny_01
20-06-2004, 01:34 AM
I doubt that Victor will be seen as the Victor - he will always be known for the fact that he could not keep his cool when faced with an angry woman. He was so desperate to intimidate Emma and got angrier and angrier when he realised that she was not about to back down from him. I really think that he should be given the boot as well.
Hooly oh my god you are related to someone famous - I bow down to you George was an absolute master
golden~rose
20-06-2004, 07:56 PM
victor the hot head!!!!
Hooly One
20-06-2004, 08:04 PM
Hahaha! thanks sunny:blush:
nigra
20-06-2004, 09:21 PM
I fear this forum is turning into the anti-Victor discussion forum. Every other thread is anti-Victor with the same arguments being brought up over and over. :bored:
I agree nigra, We hate victor this, we hate Victor that, gettin boring, no offence, lol., i like victor he might not win, but i want him to stay in for the entertainment, i dont want bb being just marcos gang, i want there to be another group 2, eg.dan, jason and victor, ahmed, vanessa aswell, but i think most girls in the country will get rid of her next friday, cos shes made out to be some evil woman... why? :conf::bawling::rolleyes:
Stu xxx
20-06-2004, 10:57 PM
im sorry but i just dont think i can watch Victor anymore - there is a thin line between being entertainment and pure annoyence!!! xxx
Sunny_01
21-06-2004, 12:26 AM
I quite like Vanessa and think it will be a shame that she will possibly go - I did like Victor and was disappointed in his behaviour
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Stu xxx
I'm sorry but i just dont think i can watch Victor anymore - there is a thin line between being entertainment and pure annoyence!!! xxx
I agree, i'm looking forward to the day BB calls out his name for eviction.
Hooly dont lie, you didnt like victor in the first place, lol!!!!
i think it was all emma in that argument, he tried to break up argument between marco, nadia and jason, what so disapointing about that?, then emma threw a tray at his head! no wonder he started shouting, glad emmas gone!:hello:yeah!
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Kore
Hooly dont lie, you didnt like victor in the first place, lol!!!!
i think it was all emma in that argument, he tried to break up argument between marco, nadia and jason, what so disapointing about that?, then emma threw a tray at his head! no wonder he started shouting, glad emmas gone!:hello:yeah!
Kore, your not making sense at all..
Did i just say i like victor??:conf::conf: Nope! I think you need glasses
I was being sarcastic:thumbs:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:20 AM
Well it didn't come across has being sarcastic:rolleyes:
When your going to be sarcastic, you should say straight after you have been sarcastic.
ok sorry, hehe, but i cant believe you want victor to win, i agree with you (im being sarcastic) , (and saying straight after like you said), LOL :laugh:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:26 AM
:laugh: That's better
Kore! i can't believe you want marco to win and that your a fan of emmas " I'm being sarcastic now":hugesmile:
ROFLROFLROFL!!!!!!!!!:hugesmile::spin2:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:27 AM
:joker:
how you on so late then hooly, like me?, u watching the show live?
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:31 AM
Yes i'm watching E4, nothing seems to be happening at the moment...
Gollums having a bath:hugesmile:
Why are you up?
LOL, yeh, this is really entertaining, all the rest are in bed but hes just in there , balancing a beachball on his nose. :joker:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:34 AM
It's really boring! i want them to fall out again..:laugh::devil:
Yeh me too, LOL, id like to see stu have an "affair" with shell :laugh::laugh:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:39 AM
Ohh i think that won't happen..
:laugh:
Michelle would be would be sent to jail after she gets her hands on stu or shell , hehe :joker::spin:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:45 AM
She would probably knife shell and stu to death:laugh::hugesmile:
LOLOL, or EVEN shed drown stu in the tub :shocked::hugesmile: and smother shell in her sleep, watch out for michelle, Stu!:thumbs:
Hooly One
21-06-2004, 01:55 AM
She would probably cut his genitals off and drop them in shells food..
Ohh that is sick:devil::hugesmile:
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