Are you for or against fox hunting? [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 12:50 PM

We did this debate about 5 years ago in class and was wondering what everyone thought?

EDIT: I put this in serious debates as I want to DISCUSS it, some of the things I say aren't necessarily MY views, but within a debate you have to consider both sides of the story.

Princess

28-08-2008, 12:50 PM

A million percent against. Its just plain cruel.

Jackie

28-08-2008, 12:53 PM

Yes it's so cruel and pointless.

MarkWaldorf

28-08-2008, 12:55 PM

Against. I HATE it when you see those posh folk on the news/tv who express extreme passion for it. It's vulgar and inhumane.

MarkWaldorf

28-08-2008, 12:57 PM

I want to know who voted yes.

Princess

28-08-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Markus
I want to know who voted yes.

I have a feeling I clicked it by accident *hits self on head*

kerri

28-08-2008, 01:00 PM

Totally and utterly against and yes i'd like to hear the reasons of the people who voted for it? Anybody? Its sick its cruel its a spineless activity however you look at it we've all got a right to life whatever shape or form xx

MarkWaldorf

28-08-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Princess
Originally posted by Markus
I want to know who voted yes.

I have a feeling I clicked it by accident *hits self on head*

LOL Oh! I was ready for a full on debate.

Tom

28-08-2008, 01:05 PM

Against, I think its disgusting and sadistic. Why is it someones idea of fun to kill a fox that has done absolutely nothing to them and then sugar coat it with rubbish stories about keeping numbers down?

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Princess
Originally posted by Markus
I want to know who voted yes.

I have a feeling I clicked it by accident *hits self on head*

LOL Oh! I was ready for a full on debate.

A few of my friends [YES i go to a posh school] horseride, one does for Britain, and they always find ways out of the fox hunting ban. Or they do it but don't kill the fox at the end.

You can't just say it's inhumane because we're killing animals. Technically, It's the dogs that are killing the animals. Are you a vegetarian, Markus?

I don't want to have a go/start an argument but this is in Serious debates so we should consider all sides of the stories.

Princess

28-08-2008, 01:08 PM

I love being a veggie,its gets you out of these animal rights debates.

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Against, I think its disgusting and sadistic. Why is it someones idea of fun to kill a fox that has done absolutely nothing to them and then sugar coat it with rubbish stories about keeping numbers down?

Well, if you control a population it needs to be constant.
A few of my friends have THEIR chickens killed by foxes a lot more now, and the chickens end up being more scared and producing less eggs.
This results in less chickens
& with less chickens there are less foxes aren't there?

Besides 100,000 foxes are shot or snared each year, but only 16,000 foxes are killed by hunts.

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Princess
I love being a veggie,its gets you out of these animal rights debates.

:P

Tom

28-08-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Tom
Against, I think its disgusting and sadistic. Why is it someones idea of fun to kill a fox that has done absolutely nothing to them and then sugar coat it with rubbish stories about keeping numbers down?

Well, if you control a population it needs to be constant.
A few of my friends have THEIR chickens killed by foxes a lot more now, and the chickens end up being more scared and producing less eggs.
This results in less chickens
& with less chickens there are less foxes aren't there?

Besides 100,000 foxes are shot or snared each year, but only 16,000 foxes are killed by hunts.

Theres also a massive increase in human population, and humans are killing other animals as well. Some chickens may be scared and produce less eggs. Should we start to do human hunting as well to keep population growth down?

MarkWaldorf

28-08-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Princess
Originally posted by Markus
I want to know who voted yes.

I have a feeling I clicked it by accident *hits self on head*

LOL Oh! I was ready for a full on debate.

A few of my friends [YES i go to a posh school] horseride, one does for Britain, and they always find ways out of the fox hunting ban. Or they do it but don't kill the fox at the end.

You can't just say it's inhumane because we're killing animals. Technically, It's the dogs that are killing the animals. Are you a vegetarian, Markus?

I don't want to have a go/start an argument but this is in Serious debates so we should consider all sides of the stories.

I was a vegetarian but for personal reasons I had to stop. That doesn't mean I'm always eating meat though. And it doesn't mean I enjoy it either.

I didn't mean ALL posh people fox hunt or what not. I just meant the majority I see doing it as an activity are from a wealthy background. Obviously if you knows others that do it too then I'll take that in.

Tom4784

28-08-2008, 01:15 PM

I don't really care either way, I suppose in certain agricultural areas it's more neccesary since foxes are a nuisance but I don't really care.

Ninastar

28-08-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Dezzy
I don't really care either way, I suppose in certain agricultural areas it's more neccesary since foxes are a nuisance but I don't really care.

agreed

As long as its not for fur or anything like that.

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Tom
Against, I think its disgusting and sadistic. Why is it someones idea of fun to kill a fox that has done absolutely nothing to them and then sugar coat it with rubbish stories about keeping numbers down?

Well, if you control a population it needs to be constant.
A few of my friends have THEIR chickens killed by foxes a lot more now, and the chickens end up being more scared and producing less eggs.
This results in less chickens
& with less chickens there are less foxes aren't there?

Besides 100,000 foxes are shot or snared each year, but only 16,000 foxes are killed by hunts.

Theres also a massive increase in human population, and humans are killing other animals as well. Some chickens may be scared and produce less eggs. Should we start to do human hunting as well to keep population growth down?

Lol my piano teacher thought I was really strange when I was going on about the human population increase and how we needed to stop it but there was no way, really. :S

Good argument, Tom! If I used karma I'd give you some.

Hmm, but with less chickens and more foxes what does that result in?

Foxes aren't really eaten in england are they?! whereas even Vegetarians can have eggs.

Nicky.

28-08-2008, 01:16 PM

I know everyone will now hate me now.. but I voted for.
For the simple fact I love sheep xD

Foxes kill sheep right? So if you kill the foxes, the sheep will be ok :)

Thats my theory on it anyway x

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Princess
Originally posted by Markus
I want to know who voted yes.

I have a feeling I clicked it by accident *hits self on head*

LOL Oh! I was ready for a full on debate.

A few of my friends [YES i go to a posh school] horseride, one does for Britain, and they always find ways out of the fox hunting ban. Or they do it but don't kill the fox at the end.

You can't just say it's inhumane because we're killing animals. Technically, It's the dogs that are killing the animals. Are you a vegetarian, Markus?

I don't want to have a go/start an argument but this is in Serious debates so we should consider all sides of the stories.

I was a vegetarian but for personal reasons I had to stop. That doesn't mean I'm always eating meat though. And it doesn't mean I enjoy it either.

I didn't mean ALL posh people fox hunt or what not. I just meant the majority I see doing it as an activity are from a wealthy background. Obviously if you knows others that do it too then I'll take that in.

Oh okay, I just think it's a bit hypocritical to say "It's cruel to kill animals" if you eat meat, but I don't think you are being one.

& I have to admit that some of my friends ARE posh fox hunters, but most are just the normal farmer lot!

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Nickyy
I know everyone will now hate me now.. but I voted for.
For the simple fact I love sheep xD

Foxes kill sheep right? So if you kill the foxes, the sheep will be ok :)

Thats my theory on it anyway x

Yeah, Foxes kill quite a lot of animals.

Nicky.

28-08-2008, 01:38 PM

Yup they do :sad:

Killing one fox is like saving a bunch of others :) x

Indierock&roll

28-08-2008, 04:01 PM

against!! its cruel and theres no point i hate cruelty to animals as i feell they have as much of a right as we do

SiaSiaSia

28-08-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Nickyy
Yup they do :sad:

Killing one fox is like saving a bunch of others :) x

I think that, too.
Buuut if we went overboard with hunting, then there would be less foxes, and the animals that eat foxes would suffer, or there would be TOO many rabbits/sheep, and they would die due to lack of food.

what animals DO eat foxes?
x

Mrluvaluva

28-08-2008, 04:08 PM

It's a barbaric "sport".

bigbr0ther

28-08-2008, 04:25 PM

You stole my thread! :mad:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=95550

AND, if you were a bit more responsible and bothered to put up a fence in order to keep your chickens safe, you wouldn't have to worry about foxes getting them!

Same with sheep, Nicky.

Costs such as this one should be considered before taking on the responsibility of caring for these animals.

Spike

28-08-2008, 04:30 PM

Its cruel, pointless and actually evil
Killing a poor animal who hasn't done anything just for abit of fun. Its just wrong

Noel

28-08-2008, 04:33 PM

It makes me feel sick. I actually feel like vomitting, when I think of people killing poor defenceless animals as a SPORT? People who do this are barbaric, cruel murderers. IMO, it is simply unacceptable and I dread to think, that if this happens in todays world, what it could be like in 30-40 years time. Who's next? Us?

Magic

28-08-2008, 11:16 PM

For.
I have been myself before, on my horse.

*Bows head and prepares for insults*

Magic

28-08-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You stole my thread! :mad:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=95550

AND, if you were a bit more responsible and bothered to put up a fence in order to keep your chickens safe, you wouldn't have to worry about foxes getting them!

Same with sheep, Nicky.

Costs such as this one should be considered before taking on the responsibility of caring for these animals.

Thats one of the ignorant views.
So what you are saying is we put up huge metal fences all over the country side, that go under ground and 5ft above to stop the foxes?

D'ya have an idea of how much that would cost, and how it would scar the landscape?

SiaSiaSia

29-08-2008, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You stole my thread! :mad:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=95550

AND, if you were a bit more responsible and bothered to put up a fence in order to keep your chickens safe, you wouldn't have to worry about foxes getting them!

Same with sheep, Nicky.

Costs such as this one should be considered before taking on the responsibility of caring for these animals.

Thats one of the ignorant views.
So what you are saying is we put up huge metal fences all over the country side, that go under ground and 5ft above to stop the foxes?

D'ya have an idea of how much that would cost, and how it would scar the landscape?

I agree
and I didn't steal your thread Bigbr0ther, It only inspired me to have my own different one.

Barbie

29-08-2008, 03:00 PM

against it... what is the point of it

razorbladeromance

30-08-2008, 02:38 PM

If you want pest control in your own home, you plant a mouse trap. You dont dress up in your sunday best, get pissed, sound a trumpet, and chase the mouse with a pack of cats.

I love when toff's try and justify it as pest control when their is CLEARLY recreational enjoyment involved.

****ing sick.

30stone

30-08-2008, 11:57 PM

Im not for it but i do think there are positives in doing it.

My brother used to do pheasant and lamping ( you wont want to know which animal that is)

SiaSiaSia

01-09-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by razorbladeromance
If you want pest control in your own home, you plant a mouse trap. You dont dress up in your sunday best, get p****d, sound a trumpet, and chase the mouse with a pack of cats.

I love when toff's try and justify it as pest control when their is CLEARLY recreational enjoyment involved.

****ing sick.

What is the difference between killing a Mouse with a mousetrap, and killing a Fox with dogs?

x

dupin

01-09-2008, 10:53 AM

Me & my friends were discussing this the other day, and it's really annoying when people who live in the middle of a city give their big opinions on it without actually having much knowledge about it at all...

Saying that, I am against it, but I don't really care about foxes at all, I just don't like the culture of it and I find all the justifications for it really weak...

razorbladeromance

01-09-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by razorbladeromance
If you want pest control in your own home, you plant a mouse trap. You dont dress up in your sunday best, get p****d, sound a trumpet, and chase the mouse with a pack of cats.

I love when toff's try and justify it as pest control when their is CLEARLY recreational enjoyment involved.

****ing sick.

What is the difference between killing a Mouse with a mousetrap, and killing a Fox with dogs?

x
Err, I already explained that in the exact post you quoted. Did you read it?. They clearly make a spectacle of it, so its obviously not just for pest control. Its for enjoyment.

The fact that its eight dogs with men on horseback? Or is it the champagne? Or the trumpets? Or the dress?

Shaun

01-09-2008, 05:05 PM

I'm against it, but not actively. I personally would never get involved in it, but I understand why people want to.

I also think that a lot of people who claim to be "against it" are merely lashing out at their idea of countryside-dwelling "snobs" and toffs. They'll shout "OMG ITS CRUEL" but blindly.

The fact that people swat flies, spiders, squash ants, chase pigeons...yet object to this because you can SEE the blood, is ridiculous.

Novo

01-09-2008, 05:07 PM

only evil people would kill foxes :(

SiaSiaSia

01-09-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by razorbladeromance
Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by razorbladeromance
If you want pest control in your own home, you plant a mouse trap. You dont dress up in your sunday best, get p****d, sound a trumpet, and chase the mouse with a pack of cats.

I love when toff's try and justify it as pest control when their is CLEARLY recreational enjoyment involved.

****ing sick.

What is the difference between killing a Mouse with a mousetrap, and killing a Fox with dogs?

x
Err, I already explained that in the exact post you quoted. Did you read it?. They clearly make a spectacle of it, so its obviously not just for pest control. Its for enjoyment.

The fact that its eight dogs with men on horseback? Or is it the champagne? Or the trumpets? Or the dress?

You don't drink champagne when you ride

Novo

01-09-2008, 05:17 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/370810842_798de1a48c.jpg

" dont kill me you fcker "

razorbladeromance

01-09-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by razorbladeromance
Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
Originally posted by razorbladeromance
If you want pest control in your own home, you plant a mouse trap. You dont dress up in your sunday best, get p****d, sound a trumpet, and chase the mouse with a pack of cats.

I love when toff's try and justify it as pest control when their is CLEARLY recreational enjoyment involved.

****ing sick.

What is the difference between killing a Mouse with a mousetrap, and killing a Fox with dogs?

x
Err, I already explained that in the exact post you quoted. Did you read it?. They clearly make a spectacle of it, so its obviously not just for pest control. Its for enjoyment.

The fact that its eight dogs with men on horseback? Or is it the champagne? Or the trumpets? Or the dress?

You don't drink champagne when you ride
*sigh*
Look, whatever they drink before or after. I dont know. I have not been snooping around their drink cabinets.

bigbr0ther

01-09-2008, 07:59 PM

It takes a pretty sick person to go fox hunting and convince himself that it's a somehow ethical thing to do.

bigbr0ther

01-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by 30stone
Im not for it but i do think there are positives in doing it.

My brother used to do pheasant and lamping ( you wont want to know which animal that is)

You mean the sadistic pleasure that the hunters get watching a fox getting chased by wild dogs then getting ripped to shreds a bloody and painful death?

That's the only positive I can think of.

Are there any positives for the fox, and not just the hunters?

Dal1966

01-09-2008, 08:07 PM

It should be banned. It's cruel.

30stone

02-09-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by 30stone
Im not for it but i do think there are positives in doing it.

My brother used to do pheasant and lamping ( you wont want to know which animal that is)

You mean the sadistic pleasure that the hunters get watching a fox getting chased by wild dogs then getting ripped to shreds a bl***y and painful death?

That's the only positive I can think of.

Are there any positives for the fox, and not just the hunters?

mmm i am against it you know.

I just read up on it and apparently they can die in agony not all as you said getting ripped apart doesnt always happen...

I dont see why people care for foxes they dont care about many other animals... like pheasant n that.

andyman

02-09-2008, 12:32 AM

For! Anybody in power and are against are bringing this country down to its knees! Just to get shafted by another!

I want a Great Britain not a great soft britain!
Because of the wacko lefties we have more foxes on our streets, going into our rubbish, attacking farmers fields and killing chickens.. The country side lose out in making money which it needs and we gain a pest to roam around because wacko lefties think their lovely little cuties... :yuk: