Miss Black Britain.

[30stone]

Something that quite annoys me...

Ok so there is obviously a "Miss England" and "Miss Great Britain" competition..

but there is a "Miss Black Britain"

So why is there no "Miss White Britain" or "Miss Asian Britain" or anything else.

Why is there a "Miss Black Britain" When there is no other compeitions for specific races...

[letmein]

That sounds really stupid. Who started Miss Black Britain?

I guess anyone can start a Miss pageant these days.

We're are the Miss Gay Britain?

[NettoSuperstar!]

do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

a former Mr gay UK killed his boyfriend and ate him. That was in the news recently

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

no you dont doesnt mean they shouldnt enter the usual one though??

it really annoys me that they cant just enter the "Miss Great Britain" and have to be different and need a "Miss Black Britain"

all races are able to enter "Miss Great Britain" so why couldnt they.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

no you dont doesnt mean they shouldnt enter the usual one though??

it really annoys me that they cant just enter the "Miss Great Britain" and have to be different and need a "Miss Black Britain"

all races are able to enter "Miss Great Britain" so why couldnt they.

Im sure they do enter, but its typically a white brit affair, white judges and so on. I dont really know, but I dont think a black women has ever won it. Minority groups want to raise their profile and status in society its perfectly normal. I dont see anything wrong with it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I just had a quick look one asian girl has won the title

[NettoSuperstar!]

I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

[NettoSuperstar!]

Aneka Johnson, event organiser, said: "It's not segregation at all. We are trying to promote black women.

"If there was more of an even reflection of this then I don't think there would be a need for a Miss Black Britain contest in the first place."

She added that the contest, set up in November 2006, was born out of the frustration with the lack of black British female role models and pioneers especially in the area of fashion and entertainment.

"Miss Great Britain has been dominated by a lot of white girls for a long time and many judges or even the contestants who go ahead for it are mainly white," she said.


I just found this from the organiser

[30stone]

Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

because there are a lack of positive role models for young black women. like she said if the world of media/fashion was equal then there wouldnt be any need to promote black women out there. Im sure they will continue to be more black/asian women take part in the Miss GB aswell, this could help them become more a part of the mainstream in the long run

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

more equal they are perfectly equal?

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

because there are a lack of positive role models for young black women. like she said if the world of media/fashion was equal then there wouldnt be any need to promote black women out there

Yeh but if we had all the top women from the miss black britain join the miss great britain contest there would be its just none of them enter it anymore which is quite dissapointing.

Really dissaprove of things like this..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

more equal they are perfectly equal? Ok how many black models are there? Naomi Campbell and theres another one I can think of, how many white models? How many white girls enter miss GB and how many black models and then how many get through to the finals? Im sure it is far from equal

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

more equal they are perfectly equal? Ok how many black models are there? Naomi Campbell and theres another one I can think of, how many white models? How many white girls enter miss GB and how many black models and then how many get through to the finals? Im sure it is far from equal
No its simply because a lot of black women arent joining it because it seems that way and there is many more white women then black women in this country so that will always happen.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

because there are a lack of positive role models for young black women. like she said if the world of media/fashion was equal then there wouldnt be any need to promote black women out there

Yeh but if we had all the top women from the miss black britain join the miss great britain contest there would be its just none of them enter it anymore which is quite dissapointing.

Really dissaprove of things like this..

yeh but why dont they enter now? How far do they get now? How many of the judges reflect different ethnic backgrounds. I would guess very few get very far and there are very few black judges. Also because there are hardly any role models in that area, most young black women probably wont see it as an option. Miss Black UK could change that perception

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

more equal they are perfectly equal? Ok how many black models are there? Naomi Campbell and theres another one I can think of, how many white models? How many white girls enter miss GB and how many black models and then how many get through to the finals? Im sure it is far from equal
No its simply because a lot of black women arent joining it because it seems that way and there is many more white women then black women in this country so that will always happen.

Well I can think of 2 black models one I dont know her name. And countless white models I dont think thats in proportion to the general population. They are under represented in the fashion world, thats what the organiser said

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

because there are a lack of positive role models for young black women. like she said if the world of media/fashion was equal then there wouldnt be any need to promote black women out there

Yeh but if we had all the top women from the miss black britain join the miss great britain contest there would be its just none of them enter it anymore which is quite dissapointing.

Really dissaprove of things like this..

yeh but why dont they enter now? How far do they get now? How many of the judges reflect different ethnic backgrounds. I would guess very few get very far and there are very few black judges. Also because there are hardly any role models in that area, most young black women probably wont see it as an option. Miss Black UK could change that perception

i understand that but its is dissapointing showing that they are making another competition just so a certain race can get more publicity then others...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

because there are a lack of positive role models for young black women. like she said if the world of media/fashion was equal then there wouldnt be any need to promote black women out there

Yeh but if we had all the top women from the miss black britain join the miss great britain contest there would be its just none of them enter it anymore which is quite dissapointing.

Really dissaprove of things like this..

yeh but why dont they enter now? How far do they get now? How many of the judges reflect different ethnic backgrounds. I would guess very few get very far and there are very few black judges. Also because there are hardly any role models in that area, most young black women probably wont see it as an option. Miss Black UK could change that perception

i understand that but its is dissapointing showing that they are making another competition just so a certain race can get more publicity then others...

I dont think thats the point or that they will get more publicity, the point is to equal things up and get more black role models out there so they can be equally represented

Its all about equality

[30stone]

but their doing it in a way that shows their not equal by having a separate competition..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
but their doing it in a way that shows their not equal by having a separate competition..

I know what your saying and hopefully things will change when everyone feels equal in society but thats the reason why and I hope it works out well for them and I think it could help to make the actual Miss GB a more equally represented competition too in the long run, which would mean there would be no need for Miss Black GB then. I have a dream... lol

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
but their doing it in a way that shows their not equal by having a separate competition..

I know what your saying and hopefully things will change when everyone feels equal in society but thats the reason why and I hope it works out well for them and I think it could help to make the actual Miss GB a more equally represented competition too in the long run, which would mean there would be no need for Miss Black GB then. I have a dream... lol

I see it as reverse discrimination really which is that part that annoys me, your white/ asian etc you cant join this competition, yet everyone can join the miss great britain

[lily.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
a former Mr gay UK killed his boyfriend and ate him. That was in the news recently

Proving once and for all that no good can come of pageants.

[Bells]

Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
but their doing it in a way that shows their not equal by having a separate competition..

I know what your saying and hopefully things will change when everyone feels equal in society but thats the reason why and I hope it works out well for them and I think it could help to make the actual Miss GB a more equally represented competition too in the long run, which would mean there would be no need for Miss Black GB then. I have a dream... lol

I see it as reverse discrimination really which is that part that annoys me, your white/ asian etc you cant join this competition, yet everyone can join the miss great britain

yeh I know but unless youve experienced being in a minority group or what its like for people in a minority with few role models to look up to its hard to understand. I mean white people really have nothing to worry about on that score. you can join Miss GB or do what you like there are no barriers and plenty of role models out there which makes you think its possible

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
a former Mr gay UK killed his boyfriend and ate him. That was in the news recently

Proving once and for all that no good can come of pageants.

lol

[30stone]

cheers Ash

also i see that people on digital spy agree.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=619632

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

[NettoSuperstar!]

God Im banging my head against a brick wall as usual

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.


If they decided to have a "Miss White Britain" Half the country would be up in arms about how it would be racist. and it works both ways in my opinion, i agree they need more publicity but should be doing it in other way than this.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.

Well if there were more role models out there and it wasnt such an exclusively white affair they probably would

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
but their doing it in a way that shows their not equal by having a separate competition..

I know what your saying and hopefully things will change when everyone feels equal in society but thats the reason why and I hope it works out well for them and I think it could help to make the actual Miss GB a more equally represented competition too in the long run, which would mean there would be no need for Miss Black GB then. I have a dream... lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.


If they decided to have a "Miss White Britain" Half the country would be up in arms about how it would be racist. and it works both ways in my opinion, i agree they need more publicity but should be doing it in other way than this.

yes and quite rightly so because we are in the majority and have no such barriers or lack or representation

[Tom4784]

Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

[NettoSuperstar!]

I give up

[lily.]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

For the love of god whyyyyyyyyyy.... why can't we just all enjoy the beauty of pageantry?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Dezzy
Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

For the love of god whyyyyyyyyyy.... why can't we just all enjoy the beauty of pageantry?

lol

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Dezzy
Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

For the love of god whyyyyyyyyyy.... why can't we just all enjoy the beauty of pageantry?

*cue inspirational powerballad*

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.


If they decided to have a "Miss White Britain" Half the country would be up in arms about how it would be racist. and it works both ways in my opinion, i agree they need more publicity but should be doing it in other way than this.

yes and quite rightly so because we are in the majority and have no such barriers or lack or representation

the only reason there is more representaion is because there are far more white people in this country.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by 30stone
Doesnt make it any different to me that they should be just going in for the same competitions as everyone else why should they been promoting black women just because of their skin colour?

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well..

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality.

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.


If they decided to have a "Miss White Britain" Half the country would be up in arms about how it would be racist. and it works both ways in my opinion, i agree they need more publicity but should be doing it in other way than this.

yes and quite rightly so because we are in the majority and have no such barriers or lack or representation

the only reason there is more representaion is because there are far more white people in this country.

By representation I mean in proportion to the general population. But I can see you just dont get it so Im gonna make a cup of tea and sigh

[30stone]

There is some beautiful black women and they should enter the "Miss Great Britain" contest and would do perfectly well.. [/quote]

Totally agree.
Categorising different races etc. in competitions like this is a step backwards in my opinion at a time when we are trying to promote equality. [/quote]

but thats just what they are doing trying to promote equality because the rest of that world arent doing [/quote]

They should join the competition and prove that they can be the best out of everyone not just join a black only competition,

that would show better equality.


If they decided to have a "Miss White Britain" Half the country would be up in arms about how it would be racist. and it works both ways in my opinion, i agree they need more publicity but should be doing it in other way than this. [/quote]

yes and quite rightly so because we are in the majority and have no such barriers or lack or representation [/quote]

the only reason there is more representaion is because there are far more white people in this country. [/quote]

By representation I mean in proportion to the general population. But I can see you just dont get it so Im going to make a cup of tea and sigh [/quote]

:rolleyes:

[lily.]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Dezzy
Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

For the love of god whyyyyyyyyyy.... why can't we just all enjoy the beauty of pageantry?

*cue inspirational powerballad*

*love lift us up where we belongggggggggggggggggg*

[30stone]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Dezzy
Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Dezzy
Can't it just be Miss Britain? Why must we constantly divide ourselves over the colour of skin?

For the love of god whyyyyyyyyyy.... why can't we just all enjoy the beauty of pageantry?

*cue inspirational powerballad*

*lift us up where we belongggggggggggggggggg*

:joker:

[letmein]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
a former Mr gay UK killed his boyfriend and ate him. That was in the news recently I was just thinking about this a few days ago for no particular reason at all. :joker:

[letmein]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
a former Mr gay UK killed his boyfriend and ate him. That was in the news recently

Proving once and for all that no good can come of pageants. Unless you're hungry.

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

You really ought to get out more.. ;)

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

You really ought to get out more.. ;)

Reference to another comment/thread, an in joke kind of thing :thumbs:

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

You really ought to get out more.. ;)
hehe lol

i agree with what 30stone said.....
and why did they make a "miss black britain" in the first place.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

lol Tom that would be funny though

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
Originally posted by Stroppy
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
do you see many black women in miss britain? Just equalling things up a bit. they do have Mr Gay UK. Miss lesbo UK would be great lol

As long as it isn't the old skool fat women in dungarees then that would be good :joker:

You really ought to get out more.. ;)
hehe lol

i agree with what 30stone said.....
and why did they make a "miss black britain" in the first place.

If you read the rest of the thread I try to explain that but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears *sigh*

[Wildcat!]

I take it OP youre opposed to the MOBO as well, and having BET television. Well its all nice and good to say people are trying to promote equality, but the fact is, its not really. The UK is very, very far behind when it comes to that. ANd I dont know this, but has there ever been a black miss UK? I dont know the answer to that but, I am guessing probably not!

[GiRTh]

LOL@This thread. The same old argument over and over agian.

I agree with AintMadAtchas stance. Theres definitely a Miss Black America so why not have one over here. Thats all I'm going to post cuz I have a tendency to go a bit over board in the threads on racism.

[Christina]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

[Spike]

Originally posted by Christina
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I can see the argument that it encourages segregation rather than integration but if things were more equal maybe they wouldnt have felt the need to do it

[Z]

I think positive discrimination best describes this situation. There are fewer black models because there are fewer black people than white people in this country. There aren't even all that many models in general, by profession, sure you get people who dabble in various different media based professions, but very few full time models in proportion to the size of the population. I just don't see the point in the competition - Naomi Campbell is one (and the only one I can think of, which is maybe the basis for the For argument) example of a highly successful black model in the UK. I'm not really up to date on modelling in the UK, but she and Kate Moss are the first two to spring to mind when I think of the word model.

So fair enough there's a Miss Black Britain, but I just think that black women should go for the original Miss competition and win it on their own merits instead of demeaning ALL models by making it specific to one colour. Change can only happen if somebody makes it happen - it won't just do it all by itself.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I take it OP youre opposed to the MOBO as well, and having BET television. Well its all nice and good to say people are trying to promote equality, but the fact is, its not really. The UK is very, very far behind when it comes to that. ANd I dont know this, but has there ever been a black miss UK? I dont know the answer to that but, I am guessing probably not!

one asian girl has won it...and I agree they dont seem to be promoting equality as well as they should

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Z
I think positive discrimination best describes this situation. There are fewer black models because there are fewer black people than white people in this country. There aren't even all that many models in general, by profession, sure you get people who dabble in various different media based professions, but very few full time models in proportion to the size of the population. I just don't see the point in the competition - Naomi Campbell is one (and the only one I can think of, which is maybe the basis for the For argument) example of a highly successful black model in the UK. I'm not really up to date on modelling in the UK, but she and Kate Moss are the first two to spring to mind when I think of the word model.

So fair enough there's a Miss Black Britain, but I just think that black women should go for the original Miss competition and win it on their own merits instead of demeaning ALL models by making it specific to one colour. Change can only happen if somebody makes it happen - it won't just do it all by itself.

I see what your saying but I think the organisers were frustrated that there is a disproportianate amount of black women in that industry. And in the long run I think it will encourage more black women to enter the main miss UK, which it seems is failing to attract black women into it and still has mainly white judges and only one asian girl has won it ever etc

[Vicky.]

Miss Black Britain

Maybe there should be a 'miss white britain'. See how well that goes down...though, obviously, that would be racist now wouldnt it :rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is black anyway?

it is a ridiculous term about as useful as coloured. I am amazed it is still used

[atieah2009]

Where is Miss. Mix Raced Britain?