Carol Thatcher dropped from 'The One Show' after 'Golliwog' Comment

[Locke.]

The BBC has dropped Carol Thatcher from The One Show after an off-air remark in which she reportedly referred to a tennis player as a "golliwog".

According to press reports, the former Prime Minister's daughter was speaking in the green room with host Adrian Chiles and guest Jo Brand when the remark was made. It is understood that the incident was reported to the show's executive producer, and that Thatcher wrote a letter of apology. However, the BBC announced this evening that her contract on the show has not been renewed.

A BBC spokesperson said: "We will no longer be working with Carol Thatcher on The One Show."

Earlier today, Thatcher's spokesperson said that the leak of a green room conversation represented "a massive breach of trust", and added: "Carol has given the BBC an apology and as far as we are concerned we have had no apology back over this breach of confidentiality.

The journalist was crowned Queen of the Jungle in ITV's I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here! in 2005, beating Sheree Murphy and Sid Owen to the top spot.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a145546/thatcher-dropped-for-golliwog-comment.html

[30stone]

I used to have golliwog badges/pins when i was like 5 one of my family used to buy me one each year... He died so i stopped getting them, but then a few years later they were considered racist.

dont think i have them anymore..

[Callum]

My sister used to have a golliwog doll, it's sad to think it's used as a racist slur now. I remember when they were banned from Noddy. :sad:

[30stone]

YEah and the time they almost had the purple/ black jelly babies removed because they were deemed racist ... )=

[Xander]

Its pathetic, it always seems were the ones now that are being rasist towards black people, funny though if a black person said something offensive to white people, nobody would care.
She didn't deserve to get dropped, not at all.

[30stone]

Yeah i agree Xander.

[arista]

They said she refused to say Sorry.
just saying it was in jest.



BBC Green Room
not on the show
Which one let it out to the Press?


Carol has people at the BBCF that want her out
of the One show.

[xERFx]

Originally posted by Xander
Its pathetic, it always seems were the ones now that are being rasist towards black people, funny though if a black person said something offensive to white people, nobody would care.
She didn't deserve to get dropped, not at all.

I agree too

[andyman]

White person says "golliwog".. Is that racist?

Black person says "white trash".. Is that racist?

[Xander]

Originally posted by 30stone
Yeah i agree Xander.

Yay someone agrees for once, LOL.
But yeah its kinda true though, e.g rappers get away with racist terms all the time in their songs. Its not really acceptable.
But back to the point, it just annoys me at how petty it was to drop her. Fair enough if it was what Jade had said. But it seems the media are picking up on white people at the moment with stuff like this.

[andyman]

This guy said this to me...

"your in a boat with 2 other men, one is white and the other is black, same weight, same age, same hight etc... But the boat is sinking, you have to throw one man off the boat now before you all sink... Who do you throw out of the boat?"...

[30stone]

Originally posted by andyman
This guy said this to me...

"your in a boat with 2 other men, one is white and the other is black, same weight, same age, same hight etc... But the boat is sinking, you have to throw one man off the boat now before you all sink... Who do you throw out of the boat?"...

Both and save yourself.

[andyman]

Nope only one.. And not yourself..

This is about how people think..

[hannah.]

Originally posted by Xander
Its pathetic, it always seems were the ones now that are being rasist towards black people, funny though if a black person said something offensive to white people, nobody would care.
She didn't deserve to get dropped, not at all.

We haven't been supresssed for thousands of years.

[hannah.]

to clarify, I don't agree with the insanity of political correctness these days, but it was used about someone, which is out of order

[30stone]

Andy i havent a clue who do you throw off?

[andyman]

Originally posted by 30stone
Andy i havent a clue who do you throw off? Thats it! I does not matter... They are two men but if said one has blonde hair and the other has ginger hair you might have said who you would throw off... But because it is a white man and a black man it becomes a problem, which if we are all the same on this earth, should it matter who gets thrown off? But would the white man be a racist if he thrown the black man off?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by hannah.
Originally posted by Xander
Its pathetic, it always seems were the ones now that are being rasist towards black people, funny though if a black person said something offensive to white people, nobody would care.
She didn't deserve to get dropped, not at all.

We haven't been supresssed for thousands of years.

Thank you! And for the record, I dont think there is double standard at all. The fact is, society nowadays is doing everything they can, to erradicate racism, which is a disease for the world, that doesnt belong in todays society. And the fact is, you cnt compare Thatcher's saying as a TV personality, to a rapper. Those are 2 different things. And show me what rapper have made a racial slur of that sort these days? We are trying to rid society fo that type. And the only way to make it happen is to be stern about it. There may be a time in the future where we wont need to, but the UK especially, is not there yet. Proof in the fact that a lot of you actually consider this acceptable!

[hannah.]

depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker:

[andyman]

Originally posted by hannah.
depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker: But why does it have to be a racist act?
Everybody is in fear with upsetting other, hence walking on eggshells and making it worse...
If i said i thrown the black man off the boat does that make me a racist?

[30stone]

Ama this is what is meant by double standards. shows that are deemed acceptable like this... wild and out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzl8eP-mRWA

They always take the piss out of people coz they are white, not once do they do it back.

[30stone]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by hannah.
depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker: But why does it have to be a racist act?
Everybody is in fear with upsetting other, hence walking on eggshells and making it worse...
If i said i thrown the black man off the boat does that make me a racist?

Youd be fired from the bbc.

lol.

[andyman]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by hannah.
depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker: But why does it have to be a racist act?
Everybody is in fear with upsetting other, hence walking on eggshells and making it worse...
If i said i thrown the black man off the boat does that make me a racist?

Youd be fired from the bbc.

lol. lol. PC gone mad.

[30stone]

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpo_MREQ-sg

I used to like this guy but hes always taking the piss out of white people.

[Wildcat!]

There is no terms like the OP mentined in that whole skits. Comedians make fun of black people all the time, but no racial slur is used, just funny stereotypes. LIke the american press keep saying Obama cool aid (which is reffered to because its a racial stereotype for black people), but its not racist, just funny!

Terms Like Golliwogs, or Pikey, Which is a term I see you use a lot by the way, are not acceptable. YOu obviously live in an environment where it is, and its not surprising that you find all these things funny or OK!! Back in the real world, And a TV personality would never say that and get away with it. Again, you cant compare some rappers, with someone like Thatcher. Rappers shock, thats what they do! Eminem use shock lyrics, in his songs, its not the same, as racial slurs.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpo_MREQ-sg

I used to like this guy but hes always taking the p**s out of white people. h!

I watched that whole clip, there was nothing racist or no racial slur involved whatsoever. That was just funny!

And I guarantee you a lot of white folks in that audience are Laughing. IN fact the whole skit was about black people not able to have fun like white people do! You completely missed the joke. I guess thats the dfference between american comedy and english.

[andyman]

lol that was a funny vid...

But if he was a white guy making jokes about black people would i laugh?.. Yes i would coz why not.

It should be a fair playing field.

[30stone]

I use pikey just as something offensive theres nothing racist about it. My dad and grandparents were pikeys...

And when i was younger a golliwog was just a little badge that was bought for me that is it...

and from people i watch lee evans/ peter kay, never use any sterotype towards any other race from what ive seen..

And im going to bed. I know i wont get anywhere anyway...

[30stone]

Originally posted by andyman
lol that was a funny vid...

But if he was a white guy making jokes about black people would i laugh?.. Yes i would coz why not.

It should be a fair playing field.

yeh but you wont see a white guy saying things like that because he'd get destroyed by media over here.

[Wildcat!]

OF course I would laugh the other way around. That was really funny! ANd white comedians do these types as well all the time in the US. Like how the Athletes are all black, and he cant get the girls because he is the only white dude in the BBall team! These kind of jokes are common in the US and no one cares about it!

[andyman]

Ange7 should be around soon to put his 2cents in...

:bigsmile:


Too much can be seen as racist when its not..

[Wildcat!]

Haha! Yeah. I love Ange7 views on society! His perspective is always very stern! I dont agree all the time, but usually I can see his points.

Yeah I think so too. Too much is seen as racist when its not. But like amongst my friends, I can do things that I would do in public, or on TV! Like I have white friends in the US, that use the N word around me, because amongst us, its not a racial term, becasue we are so close. But we know society is not ready for it yet. I do have high hopes though, that a lot o thing are gonna change these next 2 to 3 years, and lot less racial tensions, especially across the atlantic.

[Novo]

Ange7 is a she?

[andyman]

I think it was BB8 that a white woman used the N word but she used it in convo and not to attack charley (black gal)... She was kicked out.

I think race will always be an issue, it should never be like that but i think we still have a long way yet to go before the word racist is behind us..

[andyman]

Originally posted by .Andy.
Ange7 is a she? Ange7 is male, male sign near the name..

Then again 30stone has a female sign, lol. But it don't really matter, male or female, black or white, hair or no hair, rich or poor...

I'm thinking of a song there...

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by .Andy.
Ange7 is a she? Ange7 is male, male sign near the name..

Then again 30stone has a female sign, lol. But it don't really matter, male or female, black or white, hair or no hair, rich or poor...

I'm thinking of a song there...


Errrrrrm, I prefer rich actually!

[andyman]

Rich with joy... That has to be better than being rich with money? :bouncy:

Dont need money....
















*lend us a fiver?*

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by hannah.
depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker:

Knowing what people react to now, if he was fat, it would also be seen as racist :tongue:

[arista]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Originally posted by hannah.
depends on the reason for throwing him off.
Maybe he's fat, its not racist then is it :joker:

Knowing what people react to now, if he was fat, it would also be seen as racist :tongue:




I use Fat
and Slim.


Vanessa on Radio London is a Fat Ass.
She can take that.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Ange7 should be around soon to put his 2cents in...

:bigsmile:


Too much can be seen as racist when its not..
nah I didn't want to jump in over the top of ama ..... his first hand experience would bring a lot more than I ever could. Anyway ..ama.. we'll do this "good cop, bad cop" style. ie you be their friend and I'll throw them around the interview room hehe.
Calling someone a golliwog is obviously racist because the intent wasn't a joke like those vids... it was a nasty attack. What's more an attack against someone who wasn't even around so it can't be called " light hearted" or as arista put it “just saying it was in jest “.. rubbish as per matey...
Baby Thatcher like many racists will throw in a casual racial slur to kind test the water and see if anyone else in the room has similar sympathies. If she got a positive response like a laugh etc she would have ramped it up but as it was one of the listeners ( probably Jo Brand) took offence and rightly outed her. Sucked in biaatch hehe.

You guys that had golliwog toys given to you when you were younger ought not bemoan the fact that now it's all changed and it's suddenly racist. It was a symbol of racism when you were given it. I'm not taking shots at your parents but you guys aren't more than 15.... you got them at around 5 … so you were given them just 10 or 12 years ago.... ie back when it was still considered a symbol of racism and ridicule. Sorry but YOU haven't painted your olds in a favourable light there.
Andyman ..dude your like the xenophobe pied piper … look at all of them following behind you hehe. You again start a seemingly innocent thread yet then turn up the heat with “White person says "golliwog".. Is that racist? Black person says "white trash".. Is that racist?”dude...! yes they both are....
Sorry I can't see how calling a black person a golliwog can't be racist. The whole “boo hoo but blacks call us whitey” is a rubbish side issue. Because some blacks may or may not be racists ( using examples of comedy was a poor choice but clearly some are) doesn't make the term “ golliwog” ok. I believe people who are OK with the term are racist and I'm sick to fck of people trying to hide their racist attitudes behind the shield of “oh it's PC gone mad!!”. What I don't get Andyman is that you and ama were watching the superbowl together while in that thread but in the real world you'd call him a golliwog behind his back?.. is that right?

Lol @ Xander “Yay someone agrees for once, LOL. “ … yeah racial hate threads are your niche mate.

Anyway my list of confirmed racist as grown … haha. Look, you posters that agreed that golliwog is OK...(ie the lot of you except for ama hannah andy) why not grow some balls and call ama a golliwog right here right now. You'll be banned faster than you can say “ boo hoo ...why do I have to press 1 for english.... THIS IS ENGLAND!!!”?” mahahah

brrrrrrring it ! :P

[andyman]

ange7, do you think i'm a racist? I'm sure you have wrote that about me...

[Tom]

I read a report she refused to say sorry ... good on her I say

[30stone]

Originally posted by Tom
I read a report she refused to say sorry ... good on her I say


Yeh i saw that to, i thought she might its what shes like .

ok shes been sacked for not apologising.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4522185/Golliwog-row-Carol-Thatcher-sacked-because-she-wouldnt-apologise.html

to much over reaction over this, stories like this are always blow out of proporsion

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
ange7, do you think i'm a racist? I'm sure you have wrote that about me...
absolutely ... your always starting anti black, anti Moslem and anti foreigner threads. I've told you at least 5 times I think your racist... it's hardly a secret...lol it's like you daring me to say it.
Dude your arguing that calling someone a golliwog isn't racists...on what planet does that make sense. Mate your in a no win position...don't be fooled by the fact the curly and mo here agree with you that your on a winner. Hehe.

I asked you would you call ama a golliwog if you saw him on the street. You've left that question hanging. Would you? I also asked you to grow some balls and openly call ama or any black person a golliwog... (seeing how you don't think it's racist) and see how long it takes for you to get banned. That goes for your 2 chums here too.

[arista]

Did that BBC woker have to leak this to the Press?

This looks like someone in the
background, wanted her off that show.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Calling someone a gollywog is racist end of!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista
Did that BBC woker have to leak this to the Press?

This looks like someone in the
background, wanted her off that show.

This looks like she was racist she got sacked!

[arista]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Calling someone a gollywog is racist end of!



Everyone who knows her says she is not Racist
at all.

This was not said On Air.


A BBC worker
jumped at this - sold it to the Press.

Give her 3 months off
would solve this.

[Callum]

Personally I don't think she should have got fired, she probably didn't mean any harm when she said it. I expect the person who she was referring to just laughed it off. What I find disgusting though is that someone leaked it out to the press, whatever's said in the greem room should be kept there. :bored:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by andyman
This guy said this to me...

"your in a boat with 2 other men, one is white and the other is black, same weight, same age, same hight etc... But the boat is sinking, you have to throw one man off the boat now before you all sink... Who do you throw out of the boat?"...

...and your point is?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Calling someone a gollywog is racist end of!



Everyone who knows her says she is not Racist
at all.

This was not said On Air.


A BBC worker
jumped at this - sold it to the Press.

Give her 3 months off
would solve this.

She made a racist comment over

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
Did that BBC woker have to leak this to the Press?

This looks like someone in the
background, wanted her off that show.
ooooo does it arista.... ok then ...
.... when you talk racist horse sh@t in front of co- workers and you are retarded and meat headed enough not to apologies then what you'll find is that you get the sack. Why is this a surprise to you.... "We have ascertained subsequently from the people that were party to the conversation that by nobody's reckoning could it have been deemed to have been used in a jokey fashion.". Ie the other 2 or more people did NOT think she was joking. Please tell us arista in what context call someone who is not in the room a golliwog could in anyway be funny. Given you thinks it fine and not rasist are you prepared to call any people on this forum, who are black, a golliwog,?

[andyman]

When did i say that word is ok?..

You wrote that i would say that word to ama... So your head thinks it then writes it, its true? What a stupid post you made ange7... Not once have i agreed tjhat that word is ok to be used.. And no i would never say that word or think that word... Ange7 you do enjoy to stir things to make it a racial issue..

Plus your trying to stir things up between me and ama by writing that i would call him that word! The fact is NO... I dont agree with that word, but you (ange7) is trying to stir racical problems by posting things like that... Bit low of you, no in fact its very low.

Calling a member a racist and implying that they have mental health problems isn't on.

It best to stick to the issues and avoid getting personal.

Post edited - Red

[ange7]

Originally posted by Callum
Personally I don't think she should have got fired, she probably didn't mean any harm when she said it. I expect the person who she was referring to just laughed it off. What I find disgusting though is that someone leaked it out to the press, whatever's said in the greem room should be kept there. :bored:
So racisms in the green room should stay in the green room?... you say it as though it's some kind of known TV show etiquette. Dude... balls! Hehe
And how is it "in jest"?.DO us a favour Calum and explain how calling someone who she does not know and is not a mate of and isn't even in the room, a golliwog could be funny. Mate I'm all ears.

[arista]

What Carole said in Full sentance
is not in the Press - at this time.


On the Ch5 Wright Stuff this morning
they talked about this
and concluded she should not have been sacked.
Also how nasty it was for a BBC worker to
give it to the Press.

It is now
big news,
and the fact the Queens shop was selling golly dolls.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135931/Race-doll-row-hits-royals-Queen-say-sorry-golliwogs-sale-Sandringham.html

[Red Moon]

Please stick to the subject and don't personalise posts by talking about other members

Red

[andyman]

I remember these jam jars i think that had them on... Maybe ange7 thinks everybody is racist...


Ange7, is a white dog racist white?
Ange7, if a child only likes white chocolate does that make the child racist?.. If whatj i wrote seems daft then i'm just going by your logic dear.

[andyman]

Red, ange7 is calling me a racist, i must defend myself because its not true... I am not a racist.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
When did i say that word is ok?..

You wrote that i would say that word to ama... So your head thinks it then writes it, its true? What a stupid post you made ange7... Not once have i agreed tjhat that word is ok to be used.. And no i would never say that word or think that word... Ange7 you do enjoy to stir things to make it a racial issue.. Your the racist ange7, and you call yourself a person of faith.. Your sure your a church person ange7???
Plus your trying to stir things up between me and ama by writing that i would call him that word! The fact is NO... I dont agree with that word, but you (ange7) is trying to stir racical problems by posting things like that... Bit low of you, no in fact its very low.

Dear ange7 you do find alot of things to be racial when its not... Go see a doctor, your head needs to.
reported ... "go see a doctor, your head needs to"

I'm a racist? ... for bring up a racial issues...?? .... so pointing out clear examples of racism is in of itself racist. ? lol wow
When is calling someone a golliwog not a racial issue? That's pretty straight up and down in my book.
Re ama ... mate I couldn't care less frankly about you or ama .... I don't know either of you nor do I need to try separate you.... dude...wtf... you been watching too ,many daytime soaps. I brought up ama because I wanted to bring home the idea that calling someone a golliwog wasn't some theoretical question of what is or isn't political correctness and what is racist... ( a shady place where you spend most of your time) but in fact effects real people. I used ama because he's someone you know. In all of these post you NEVER said the term golliwog wasn't racist ... in stead you kept adding fuel to the fire by making the call regarding the double standards. “White person says "golliwog".. Is that racist?

Black person says "white trash".. Is that racist? “

Mate that was YOU bring up the racial divide LONG before I got involved.
In future try to argue a point and not attack me personally by telling me I ought to see a doctor nor question my morality by through my faith. Low you say? Huh?

Can we get back to just the subject and make things less personal. I delt with the reported post so lets just get on with talking about the subject and just the subject.

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Callum
Personally I don't think she should have got fired, she probably didn't mean any harm when she said it. I expect the person who she was referring to just laughed it off. What I find disgusting though is that someone leaked it out to the press, whatever's said in the greem room should be kept there. :bored:
So racisms in the green room should stay in the green room?... you say it as though it's some kind of known TV show etiquette. Dude... balls! Hehe
And how is it "in jest"?.DO us a favour Calum and explain how calling someone who she does not know and is not a mate of and isn't even in the room, a golliwog could be funny. Mate I'm all ears.

lol@TV show etiquette! yeh probablys, maybes, whatever. If she called a black person a golliwog she deserves disciplinary action. And I really wouldnt imagine they laughed it off.... oh hahaha

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Red, ange7 is calling me a racist, i must defend myself because its not true... I am not a racist.
mate we're all ears... go for it... I've asked time and again... dude CLEARLY say the word golliwog IS racist and that you don't agree with all your mates here hehe.

[Tom4784]

In what context did she say it though? I think it was an idiotic thing to say but we can't throw the book at her or support her without knowing exactly what she said.

Always remember, there's a difference between rascism and ignorance. Just because someone uses a word doesn't mean they are rascist. For example it wasn't until year 11 when i was told that 'half caste' was an offensive term, but since I found out I never use it. Carol should have known better but maybe she didn't mean it in the context everyone thought she was? I don't know.

I'll abstain from forming an opinion untill more information is known.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well the people who knew what context it was said in, they did throw the book at her

[andyman]

Ange7 you ALWAYS bring the racial thing into alot of your posts, maybe you have hiddn issues...


Anyway back on topic... The word Carol used was bad taste by her, she should have known what it means. I have never used that word, spoken it or even wrote it... And never will, and as for ange7 calling me a racist? No i am not a racist.

[Red Moon]

Do you think they would have sacked if she had the same sort of status as say Jonathan Ross?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Do you think they would have sacked if she had the same sort of status as say Jonathan Ross?

Yes if they'd called someone a golliwog, I think so.

[Dom:D]

:bored:

[ange7]

Originally posted by Dezzy
In what context did she say it though? I think it was an idiotic thing to say but we can't throw the book at her or support her without knowing exactly what she said.

Always remember, there's a difference between rascism and ignorance. Just because someone uses a word doesn't mean they are rascist. For example it wasn't until year 11 when i was told that 'half caste' was an offensive term, but since I found out I never use it. Carol should have known better but maybe she didn't mean it in the context everyone thought she was? I don't know.

I'll abstain from forming an opinion untill more information is known.
the term golliwog is a known racist term for at least 20 years Dezzy...she knew that. It was a racist term back when Callum and 30stone were getting their Golliwog toys given to them from their parents too.
Re Ignorance... it's is still racism... just racism lite. It's your social responsibility to make an effort in a multicultural society to at least have a clue about other peoples cultures ( and sub-cultures :P).... ignorance is no excuse but obviously is not as bad as the full blown racial hate of people who go out of their way to attack and instil hate in others. As for context... the others in the room were in no doubt that it was not a joke on her part and what's worse ... she felt too proud to apologies and in so doing concede that see screwed up. Now we have all these people arguing that she was in the right and ought not apologies because apparently black comedians attack whites so they ought be able to have their fun too. Honestly I can't follow Andyman and co's position at all ...and if there is no logical position then that one leaves the illogical.

[andyman]

People around her might use that word, grown up with it more like... And no it does not make it right, we all know what it means and can never be used in jest.


I'm sure they was used on jam labels years ago.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Ange7 you ALWAYS bring the racial thing into alot of your posts, maybe you have hiddn issues...


Anyway back on topic... The word Carol used was bad taste by her, she should have known what it means. I have never used that word, spoken it or even wrote it... And never will, and as for ange7 calling me a racist? No i am not a racist.

"Ange7 you ALWAYS bring the racial thing into alot of your posts" nah dude... just into YOUR posts :P

"No i am not a racist."
Ummm unfortunately that ain't your call .... people can read this thread and see how you whip up hate....

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Peope around her might use that word, grown up with it more like... And no it does not make it right, we all know what it means and can never be used in jest.


I'm sure they was used on jam labels years ago.
It certainly CAN be used in jest ... comedians can use it and more.... point is she didn't mean it in jest, nothing AT ALL points to her using it in jest yet you claim she did and that it's all an over reaction by the PC police. Rubbish... I hate the PC stuff as much as you ... but your trying to sneak this blatant racism under the "oh it's pc correctness gone mad" banner....... yet again.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Red Moon
Do you think they would have sacked if she had the same sort of status as say Jonathan Ross?

Yes if they'd called someone a golliwog, I think so.

I don't think they would as long as they had said it off air.

What she did was disgraceful but it was hardly a sacking offense. A official warning yes, maybe even a suspension, but they over reacted in doing what they did.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by andyman
Ange7 you ALWAYS bring the racial thing into alot of your posts, maybe you have hiddn issues...

Will you stop making the thread personal!

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well maybe not sacked but disciplined. Im sure they would if it got leaked out

[ange7]

Originally posted by Dom:D
:bored:
your strangely quite .... some point you'd like to make mate … has your band wagon that you jumped on busted a wheel?....

[ange7]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Red Moon
Do you think they would have sacked if she had the same sort of status as say Jonathan Ross?

Yes if they'd called someone a golliwog, I think so.

I don't think they would as long as they had said it off air.

What she did was disgraceful but it was hardly a sacking offense. A official warning yes, maybe even a suspension, but they over reacted in doing what they did.
agreed... as do the bbc....it became a sackable offence when she failed to fess up and take her words back. Clearly as pig headed as her mum. I've seen her on one panel show after another.... she seems like a stuck up prig more at home in an office than as an entertainer.... no great loss. I 'm blown away by all the supporters she clearly has here on tibb hehe

[ange7]

hmmm

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by ange7
agreed... as do the bbc....it became a sackable offence when she failed to fess up and take her words back. Clearly as pig headed as her mum. I've seen her on one panel show after another.... she seems like a stuck up prig more at home in an office than as an entertainer.... no great loss. I 'm blown away by all the supporters she clearly has here on tibb hehe

Maybe, but the BBC could have handled it better.... for example they could have gave her a final warning telling she had to apologize on air, wait for her to refuse and then give her another warning and sack her. However it looks like they just sacked her, they could have been more professional about it.

The BBC looks like it run by people with little or no knowledge of basic management skills. I wouldn't be surprised if they have opened themselves up to an unfair dismissal claim.

[arista]

Well said Red Moon
basic skills at the Bloated BBC
are long gone.


I hate having to pay for it
in the BBC UK Tax.
Of course on the letter they send out
is does not mention the BBC for the TV License.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by arista
Of course on the letter they send out is does not mention the BBC for the TV License.

That's very true, it would be more honest to call it the BBC License fee since it pays nearly exclusively for the BBC TV output and Radio (which is often forgotten by many people).

[Wildcat!]

http://www.tzafonet.org.il/kehil/music03/music/debussy/golliwog.jpg

Yeah, thats a joke alright!
I am very surprised some people would actually defend this, but not by some others. I wish there were more black people on this forum, or in your lives, to tell you how they feel about that!
You might think this is funny and just a joke, but it doesnt prove to be right. What it proves, is there are still lots of people in this society who think this kind of stuff is acceptable! Anonymous just make it easier. The people who complain of her sacking or support, like someone says are outraged that they cant be allowed to make racist statements like that, and pretend its just a joke!

Even more outrageous to me, is to find out it was being sold in a royal shop, with no one ever saying something about it until now!

Long way to go in this country!!

[hannah.]

How can calling someone a golliwog possibly not be considered racist?
I know I'm repeating what's been said already but SERIOUSLY
and lmfao at all of you lot who think she shouldn't have been sacked because it's not racist. seriously.

[Tom]

Originally posted by hannah.
How can calling someone a golliwog possibly not be considered racist?

Because its a doll or a teddy or whatever.

Should we ban other types of toys in case people look like them and get offended when people call them that? Should we ban Big Ears in case it offends those with big ears? Should Jim from Rosie & Jim be banned because it might be offensive to ginger people? Should any white teddy be banned because it might be offensive to white people? Its just trivial.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by hannah.
How can calling someone a golliwog possibly not be considered racist?

Because its a doll or a teddy or whatever.

Should we ban other types of toys in case people look like them and get offended when people call them that? Should we ban Big Ears in case it offends those with big ears? Should Jim from Rosie & Jim be banned because it might be offensive to ginger people? Should any white teddy be banned because it might be offensive to white people? Its just trivial.

This is why its good to know what youre talking about before making statements! There are black dolls. Lots of them. These dolls arent considered racist because they are black! Go read the history about it, before just making yourself sound like a biggot, or just plain ignorant!

[30stone]

:sleep:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by hannah.
How can calling someone a golliwog possibly not be considered racist?

Because its a doll or a teddy or whatever.

Should we ban other types of toys in case people look like them and get offended when people call them that? Should we ban Big Ears in case it offends those with big ears? Should Jim from Rosie & Jim be banned because it might be offensive to ginger people? Should any white teddy be banned because it might be offensive to white people? Its just trivial.

This is why its good to know what youre talking about before making statements! There are black dolls. Lots of them. These dolls arent considered racist because they are black! Go read the history about it, before just making yourself sound like a biggot, or just plain ignorant!

Yes I know exactly the connotations associated with golliwogs, I just don't think because someone has said it it has to be racist. From what I've read Carol said "he looks like a golliwog", not "he is a golliwog". Now to say someone/thing looks like a golliwog isn't racist, although it is in murky waters. If a ban is on saying people look like one then lets ban every similar comparison that we can make (e.g. people looking like Big-Ears off Noddy, it might be offensive to those with big ears!!), because it must manage to offend someone somewhere.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
:sleep:

I am not surprised frankly! Youve proven yourself time and time again!

[Wildcat!]

Well, obviously Tom! You think its OK! Go on thinking that.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well, obviously Tom! You think its OK! Go on thinking that.

I think its fine to make a comparison based on appearance. However my viewpoint would be completely different if it appeared she targetted him and called him a golliwog as an insult, not saying it as an observation, in jest whatever.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
:sleep:

I am not surprised frankly! Youve proven yourself time and time again!

All you have done is complain about stuff recently.

You used to be cool..

lol ^ last part was from the simpsons.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
:sleep:

I am not surprised frankly! Youve proven yourself time and time again!

All you have done is complain about stuff recently.

You used to be cool..

lol ^ last part was from the simpsons.

Funnily enough, you agree with anything racist! And you dont like anyone complains about it. DOnt worry, you are in a certain class of this society! There are a lot like you, so at least you can be happy not to be a minority! Just dont venture too far from your parts. You will find yourself in a whole other world, where people arent racist, and dont make racial jokes!

[30stone]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
:sleep:

I am not surprised frankly! Youve proven yourself time and time again!

All you have done is complain about stuff recently.

You used to be cool..

lol ^ last part was from the simpsons.

Funnily enough, you agree with anything racist! And you dont like anyone complains about it. DOnt worry, you are in a certain class of this society! There are a lot like you, so at least you can be happy not to be a minority! Just dont venture too far from your parts. You will find yourself in a whole other world, where people arent racist, and dont make racial jokes!

Im not racist lol..

I just get bored of people complaining...

Dont lecture me.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well, obviously Tom! You think its OK! Go on thinking that.

I think its fine to make a comparison based on appearance. However my viewpoint would be completely different if it appeared she targetted him and called him a golliwog as an insult, not saying it as an observation, in jest whatever.

I would like you to show me a human being that looks like that doll!
Word of advice, dont ever say that to someone, it could be trouble for you.

[Wildcat!]

Like I said 30stone, dont go anywhere outside of your area! YOu live a sheltered life obviously! The funny thing is, you actually dont know youre a racist!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well, obviously Tom! You think its OK! Go on thinking that.

I think its fine to make a comparison based on appearance. However my viewpoint would be completely different if it appeared she targetted him and called him a golliwog as an insult, not saying it as an observation, in jest whatever.

I would like you to show me a human being that looks like that doll!
Word of advice, dont ever say that to someone, it could be trouble for you.

I bet there are people out there that look like one, just as there are people out there who look like various other puppets. Is it still discrimination if you say someone looks like another doll?

[30stone]

lol this is an internet site you have no idea what im like in real life do you... :rolleyes:

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
lol this is an internet site you have no idea what Im like in real life do you... :rolleyes:

Its not difficult to know what people are like from their posts! Unles you claim youre playing a character!
I have said this to you before, and each and everyday, you confirm it for me!

[30stone]

Ok then think what you want... i don't really care...

and im not playing a character you just dont know me...

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom

I bet there are people out there that look like one, just as there are people out there who look like various other puppets. Is it still discrimination if you say someone looks like another doll?

There were 5 black athletes at the Aussie Open! Serena and Venus Williams, Jo WIll Tsonga, Gael Monfils, and James Blake!

Which one is it that looks like that doll! Feel free to tell us!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Ok then think what you want... i don't really care...

and Im not playing a character you just dont know me...

Of course you dont care! You are who you are.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Long way to go in this country!!

It's better than most thankfully, however tolerance and understanding has to be two way.

What Carol Thatcher was clearly out of out in today's Britain and she should have said it, however it was once part of British culture, to the extent the g word was use to sell jam, and as such it takes time to remove such cultural elements even if they are undesirable. Clearly Carol Thatcher deserved to be punished by the BBC and she should have issued an apology. All that has happened is she has been punished, there has been no apology and her actions has polarized opinions on the use of the word and probably brought a little used word back into use.

I would say only a small minority of people think what she said was right, most of the objection I heard on the Radio 5 live phone in were that it was she said it off air and following the story people seem to think the BBC have over reacted.

Reading between the lines about what is being said by Carol Thatcher and BBC it looks like the sacking was more to do with a clash or personalities. Management clearly thought she did something wrong but refused to condone the leak to the press. while Carol Thatcher refused to apologize to something she said in private without the BBC at least backing her up that the leaking of the story was wrong in the first place.

It's clear that she must have realized that implications of what she had said when the story broke in the press however she is like her mother a woman of principles and wouldn't back down and apologize because it wasn't said on air and the press should never have got the story. I would also go as far as saying that she probably felt that since she wasn't air that the story had nothing to do with her job at the BBC.

She could have been made to apologize if the management had handled the situation correctly but they were heavy handed and sacked her.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
Ok then think what you want... i don't really care...

and Im not playing a character you just dont know me...

Of course you dont care! You are who you are.


Yeh i am but the problem is you know nothing about me really so i dont want to be called racist.

:thumbs:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Tom

I bet there are people out there that look like one, just as there are people out there who look like various other puppets. Is it still discrimination if you say someone looks like another doll?

There were 5 black athletes at the Aussie Open! Serena and Venus Williams, Jo WIll Tsonga, Gael Monfils, and James Blake!

Which one is it that looks like that doll! Feel free to tell us!

Gael Monfils.

I love how you avoided my question though, so I'll repeat. If someone is compared to another doll or puppet etc, is this discrimination? Or is it just because of connotations with golliwogs and the inability to see past them?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Long way to go in this country!!

It's better than most thankfully, however tolerance and understanding has to be two way.

What Carol Thatcher was clearly out of out in today's Britain and she should have said it, however it was once part of British culture, to the extent the g word was use to sell jam, and as such it takes time to remove such cultural elements even if they are undesirable. Clearly Carol Thatcher deserved to be punished by the BBC and she should have issued an apology. All that has happened is she has been punished, there has been no apology and her actions has polarized opinions on the use of the word and probably brought a little used word back into use.

I would say only a small minority of people think what she said was right, most of the objection I heard on the Radio 5 live phone in were that it was she said it off air and following the story people seem to think the BBC have over reacted.

Reading between the lines about what is being said by Carol Thatcher and BBC it looks like the sacking was more to do with a clash or personalities. Management clearly thought she did something wrong but refused to condone the leak to the press. while Carol Thatcher refused to apologize to something she said in private without the BBC at least backing her up that the leaking of the story was wrong in the first place.

It's clear that she must have realized that implications of what she had said when the story broke in the press however she is like her mother a woman of principles and wouldn't back down and apologize because it wasn't said on air and the press should never have got the story. I would also go as far as saying that she probably felt that since she wasn't air that the story had nothing to do with her job at the BBC.

She could have been made to apologize if the management had handled the situation correctly but they were heavy handed and sacked her.


The bottom line is, the only way to erradicate certain things from society, is to be swift about it! She doesnt even think it was wrong obviously, and that its acceptable since she didnt say it on air! Thats the typical coward racist, only does it in private!

SOrry it is not better than most, when it comes to having a long way to go! BEtter than some yes, but I woudl say in the grand scheme, the UK is behind a lot of societies!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Tom

I bet there are people out there that look like one, just as there are people out there who look like various other puppets. Is it still discrimination if you say someone looks like another doll?

There were 5 black athletes at the Aussie Open! Serena and Venus Williams, Jo WIll Tsonga, Gael Monfils, and James Blake!

Which one is it that looks like that doll! Feel free to tell us!

Gael Monfils.

I love how you avoided my question though, so I'll repeat. If someone is compared to another doll or puppet etc, is this discrimination? Or is it just because of connotations with golliwogs and the inability to see past them?


That term, is a known racist term! If you use it to call someone that, you are racist. Carole Thatcher knows what the term means, and trying to liken it to just a joke, is insulting people's intelligence. ANd I'd like to see you go and tell someone that they look like that doll! And see what happens!

Clearly you are no better! As you just made the same statement here without any problems. Its very easy to be racist behind a computer!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by 30stone
Ok then think what you want... i don't really care...

and Im not playing a character you just dont know me...

Of course you dont care! You are who you are.


Yeh i am but the problem is you know nothing about me really so i dont want to be called racist.

:thumbs:

Errrm, based on your postings, I think you are indeed Racist!!!!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

That term, is a known racist term! If you use it to call someone that, you are racist. Carole Thatcher knows what the term means, and trying to liken it to just a joke, is insulting people's intelligence. ANd I'd like to see you go and tell someone that they look like that doll! And see what happens!

Clearly you are no better! As you just made the same statement here without any problems. Its very easy to be racist behind a computer!

Well you've just confirmed one thing to me, you have a clear inability to see past any racial connotations attached to golliwogs.

You asked a question, I gave an answer. Nothing to do with hiding behind a computer. If we were in the same room and you asked the question I would have said exactly the same. Saying someone looks like something is not racist or discriminatory. Lets rephrase what you've basically asked me. Find someone who looks like Jim from Rosie & Jim. Probably not that hard. Now as that has no racial connotations, can you now see what I'm getting at?

She never called anyone a golliwog and neither did I in my post. Its just saying someone looks like one. There is a huge huge huge difference.

Perhaps you should take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture, not what appears to be a very narrowminded view of "golliwog = racism".

[30stone]

I just get annoyed when people think they are hard done by, and how everything in the world is becoming racist...

I assure you i am not a racist...

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

That term, is a known racist term! If you use it to call someone that, you are racist. Carole Thatcher knows what the term means, and trying to liken it to just a joke, is insulting people's intelligence. ANd I'd like to see you go and tell someone that they look like that doll! And see what happens!

Clearly you are no better! As you just made the same statement here without any problems. Its very easy to be racist behind a computer!

Well you've just confirmed one thing to me, you have a clear inability to see past any racial connotations attached to golliwogs.

You asked a question, I gave an answer. Nothing to do with hiding behind a computer. If we were in the same room and you asked the question I would have said exactly the same. Saying someone looks like something is not racist or discriminatory. Lets rephrase what you've basically asked me. Find someone who looks like Jim from Rosie & Jim. Probably not that hard. Now as that has no racial connotations, can you now see what I'm getting at?

She never called anyone a golliwog and neither did I in my post. Its just saying someone looks like one. There is a huge huge huge difference.

Perhaps you should take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture, not what appears to be a very narrowminded view of "golliwog = racism".

Id like to see you say that to someone to their face, that they look like one, not telling me! Thats the coward way.
The fact that you think its not racist, is the sadest thing of all!
People who like to ignore anything with racists connotations, are the one that help keep it in society! Thankfully I dont think there are alot of you left!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
I just get annoyed when people think they are hard done by, and how everything in the world is becoming racist...

I assure you i am not a racist...

Errmm, well I am black, there are a few people I consider racist here! You are definitely one of them!

[30stone]

I think you just take the things i say as racist as i can't see what i have said that is actually discriminatory... ?


Ohh and.

I lost my virginity to a black girl.

And My most recent girlfriend was black

both i stayed with for about 8 months + and the most recent girlfirend saw that video about Katt williams talking about white people out of order to.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
I think you just take the things i say as racist as i can't see what i have said that is actually discriminatory... ?

No you wouldnt!

[30stone]

Yeh well you tell me somthing i have said that has been racist then?

Because i dont like the majority of black people that were in big brother you called me racist after that.

[Wildcat!]

Based on your postings, your views, based on the racists actions that you support, and the fact that you get annoyed if people complain about them, based on deragory terms you freely use (ie: Pikey, term that you taught me unfortunately), and just your general likes and dislikes in terms of contestants on TV, I think you are racist!

And as time goes it just confirms it to me! As events happen, as issues are raised, you keep proving me right!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Id like to see you say that to someone to their face, that they look like one, not telling me! Thats the coward way.
The fact that you think its not racist, is the sadest thing of all!
People who like to ignore anything with racists connotations, are the one that help keep it in society! Thankfully I dont think there are alot of you left!

Oh I already have told someone they look like one, they laughed. Also I only told you because I actually directly answer questions.

I also think its sad that some people do find it racist. Obviously people can't see beyond anything remotely racist and look at things in the bigger picture, ie where they are not racist at all. I've already said similar things over and over in this thread but is saying someone looks like a potato discrimination? Surely someone must be offended by something that doesn't seem serious? Observations are not racist. Calling people a certain thing is. Huge difference that you clearly cannot grasp because you hold on to the view that everything associated with golliwogs is racist.

Also I don't think its people who keep things with racist connotations keeping racism in society. I think its white upperclass politicians who are offended on behalf of an entire race over things so trivial such as "black coffee" and "blackboard", because words with black in are definitely going to offend people :rolleyes: Its those pointless arguments over nothing big which keep racism in society- people tread on egg shells because they are scared about what they can and cannot say, and the slightest slip up results in a public lynching.

Some people seriously need to get a grip on reality. Perhaps racism wouldn't be so bad if people weren't so scared to say certain things, or if we weren't banned from the most innocent of phrases which suddenly become racist for no apparent reason.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Based on your postings, your views, based on the racists actions that you support, and the fact that you get annoyed if people complain about them, based on deragory terms you freely use (ie: Pikey, term that you taught me unfortunately), and just your general likes and dislikes in terms of contestants on TV, I think you are racist!

And as time goes it just confirms it to me! As events happen, as issues are raised, you keep proving me right!

Using that same logic, I could also say you are racist given your favourites.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Based on your postings, your views, based on the racists actions that you support, and the fact that you get annoyed if people complain about them, based on deragory terms you freely use (ie: Pikey), and just your general likes and dislikes in terms of contestants on TV, I think you are racist!

And as time goes it just confirms it to me! As events happen, as issues are raised, you keep proving me right!

Racist actions i support such as??

Get annoyed when people complain because i get bored of people saying the same things over and over.

I use pikey as a bit of a joke really, im my area everyone says it does that make them all racist, and the fact that my dad and grandparents used to be pikeys to.

And i dislike people like charley she was big headed and nasty, alex she was really nasty, science because he was really mouthy...

i dislike many white contestants to.

You take everything i say as rasict, i dont like someone whos black so im racist...

:rolleyes:

On top of having 2 black girlfriends who obviously didnt think so, and my favourite singer is half cast.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha bottom line is, the only way to erradicate certain things from society, is to be swift about it! She doesnt even think it was wrong obviously, and that its acceptable since she didnt say it on air! Thats the typical coward racist, only does it in private!

That doesn't work it just creates extremism. Doing something like this just fuels hatred and is used by far right groups to gain membership. The firm approach is better than the just stomp on it approach as it educates people rather than imposing ideas on people which does really work and people rebel against.

As for what Carol Thatcher, she said it without thinking as away of describing a hair style. She should never have said it and she was wrong to think it, but she did in what she through of was a private conversation. However that conversation was reported and then the BBC over reacted. The result of which she hasn't apologized which she should have done, and could have been made to do if the whole affair had be handled right by the BBC.

As far as i can see is the only winners out of this are the extremist on both sides. The ones that want everything race related to disappear overnight and those on the other end that have nationalist tendencies who want a pure race and will use it as a way of showing the erosion of British Culture to build there number.

Where is the middle voice of reason in al this? Has it been lost in an argument that isn't clear cut as some people feel it should be? Isn't re-education and rehabilitation better then imposition and retribution?

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha SOrry it is not better than most, when it comes to having a long way to go! BEtter than some yes, but I woudl say in the grand scheme, the UK is behind a lot of societies!

According to Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission who said "Britain is probably the most tolerant country in Europe" last April and I bet we are much better than the US.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Id like to see you say that to someone to their face, that they look like one, not telling me! Thats the coward way.
The fact that you think its not racist, is the sadest thing of all!
People who like to ignore anything with racists connotations, are the one that help keep it in society! Thankfully I dont think there are alot of you left!

Oh I already have told someone they look like one, they laughed. Also I only told you because I actually directly answer questions.

I also think its sad that some people do find it racist. Obviously people can't see beyond anything remotely racist and look at things in the bigger picture, ie where they are not racist at all. I've already said similar things over and over in this thread but is saying someone looks like a potato discrimination? Surely someone must be offended by something that doesn't seem serious? Observations are not racist. Calling people a certain thing is. Huge difference that you clearly cannot grasp because you hold on to the view that everything associated with golliwogs is racist.

Also I don't think its people who keep things with racist connotations keeping racism in society. I think its white upperclass politicians who are offended on behalf of an entire race over things so trivial such as "black coffee" and "blackboard", because words with black in are definitely going to offend people :rolleyes: Its those pointless arguments over nothing big which keep racism in society- people tread on egg shells because they are scared about what they can and cannot say, and the slightest slip up results in a public lynching.

Some people seriously need to get a grip on reality. Perhaps racism wouldn't be so bad if people weren't so scared to say certain things, or if we were banned from the most innocent of phrases which suddenly become racist for no apparent reason.

DOnt compare trivial things to this! Its not the same and you know it! IT would just be very convenient for you, if you could freely make certain statements! A lot of people find it restricting because they are now living in a society where the majority of people are tryng to crack dowm on racial term, and trying to promote respect for all! Its obvious that the minority who actually condone these things, and freely use certain terms on their daily basis, feel the walls closing in, and are sufficating! Well Its too bad because things are changing! There is no place for racism in the world, and it annoys a lot of people where they are slowly becoming the minority!

As or you telling someone the look like that doll, well i that person doesnt have self respect for themselves, I cant help them! Like I said before, I dont recommend you said that to most people!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Based on your postings, your views, based on the racists actions that you support, and the fact that you get annoyed if people complain about them, based on deragory terms you freely use (ie: Pikey), and just your general likes and dislikes in terms of contestants on TV, I think you are racist!

And as time goes it just confirms it to me! As events happen, as issues are raised, you keep proving me right!

Racist actions i support such as??

Get annoyed when people complain because i get bored of people saying the same things over and over.

I use pikey as a bit of a joke really, Im my area everyone says it does that make them all racist, and the fact that my dad and grandparents used to be pikeys to.

And i dislike people like charley she was big headed and nasty, alex she was really nasty, science because he was really mouthy...

i dislike many white contestants to.

You take everything i say as rasict, i dont like someone whos black so Im racist...

:rolleyes:

On top of having 2 black girlfriends who obviously didnt think so, and my favourite singer is half cast.

Oh the good old I have a black GF excuse! I dont believe you for one second!! I would be surprised if you know a black person to be honest!

YOu just used the term Half cast! Its obviously very common in your parts! I betcha, your "black Girlfriend" Think its an OK term to use!
Anyways, like I said, you keep confirming it every single day, just added one to your gems. and I am sure it will happen again soon enough!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

DOnt compare trivial things to this! Its not the same and you know it! IT would just be very convenient for you, if you could freely make certain statements! A lot of people find it restricting because they are now living in a society where the majority of people are tryng to crack dowm on racial term, and trying to promote respect for all! Its obvious that the minority who actually condone these things, and freely use certain terms on their daily basis, feel the walls closing in, and are sufficating! Well Its too bad because things are changing! There is no place for racism in the world, and it annoys a lot of people where they are slowly becoming the minority!

As or you telling someone the look like that doll, well i that person doesnt have self respect for themselves, I cant help them! Like I said before, I dont recommend you said that to most people!

No its not the same, I never said it was. I was just arguing against the point you made about how racism is kept in society.

That person also has a lot of self respect for themselves but can take a joke and isn't easily offended.

Also I agree with cracking down on it as a racist term, definitely. But I don't think we should pretend as though the doll never existed, because in itself the doll is very harmless and was never made with racist intentions. Its only people who use the word with intent to cause offence that are racist imo and if you can eliminate the racism then why should the doll not be allowed to exist on its own, and why should we not be able to speak about the doll without it constantly being deemed as racist because of an ignorant minority?

[30stone]

Lol you have an opinion and you will stick to it no matter what i say...

"Doubt i even know a black person" Sorry but this is getting pathetic, what do you think i just dont talk to black people or somthing.

I speak to black people in my gym one is a good friend of mine... but you know obviously im lying about that to... :rolleyes:

[Red Moon]

Can people remember to stick to the subject and not start talking about each other.

Red

[Wildcat!]

Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!! Now what prompts you to ever say such a thing!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/AreYouReallySellingThat.jpg/450px-AreYouReallySellingThat.jpghttp://www.1001actus.com/wp-content/gael-monfils-roland-garros.jpg


Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.

[30stone]

Im just going to stop you are going to continue to call me racist whatever i say, so i can't be bothered... I know im not racist, someone who twists everything i say so it makes me sound bad calls me racist ok. Have fun, i dont wanna hear it.

[Wildcat!]

post containing a personal remark aimed at another user removed. A copy has been kept for reference.

Red

[Red Moon]

Like I said before, "Can people remember to stick to the subject and not start talking about each other."

If this thread turns into a flame war it will be LOCKED.

Red

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Im just going to stop you are going to continue to call me racist whatever i say, so i can't be bothered... I know Im not racist, someone who twists everything i say so it makes me sound bad calls me racist ok. Have fun, i dont want to hear it.

Its not my fault if things are acceptable in your area. You just used 2 deragotary terms in a row! Like I said before, it seems like your whole environment accept those things! Its no wonder you find this issue to be a none issue! Dont venture out, is my sincere advice to you. Stay whereever you are forever.

[30stone]

And oh yeah, good for you for talking to the black people in your Gym!


I only said that because you said "i bet you dont even know any black people"


Like i said in post above your twisting 95% of what im saying...

[30stone]

Its not my fault if things are acceptable in your area. You just used 2 deragotary terms in a row! Like I said before, it seems like your whole environment accept those things! Dont venture out, is my advice.

That some sort of threat? what will happen if i venture out?...

[Red Moon]

LAST TIME, "Can people remember to stick to the subject and not start talking about each other."

If this thread turns into a flame war it will be LOCKED.

Red

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.

Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.

[andyman]

Its been said that Carol Thatcher has not been sacked by the bbc but wont be asked back to the one show.

(bbc1 news, 6pm)

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.

Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.


Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.

Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.

Sorry but that is auite funny :joker:

[Wildcat!]

For the record, I hate it when people call others GInger! And its another thing about this coutry I cant stand, the fact that people with redhair, always feel the need to dye it, or be ashamed of it! And I have never seen seen it before, even though Ive lived in 6 different countries!
And the funny thing is, the people with redhair are not rare!

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
For the record, I hate it when people call others GInger! And its another thing about this coutry I cant stand, the fact that people with redhair, always feel the need to dye it, or be ashamed of it! And I have never seen seen it before, even though Ive lived in 6 different countries!
And the funny thing is, the people with redhair are not rare!

My Hair was died brown from Blonde, Faded Ginger.. :joker: I am not ashamed :angel:

[30stone]

My brother is proud of being ginger lol says everyone else is boring and normal lol.. (=

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!

It might not have a history of racism, but remove the racism and look at it for what it is- a comparison between a doll (that just happens to have a racist connotation) and someone else. Thats what you can't seem to understand, and if you can't do that then imo you are more narrowminded than racist people will ever be.

To me the doll and the man do look alike, the hair as well. Do you think that those 2 in that picture look alike? It ends at the hair, just like the other picture!! Double standards if you're trying to say those up there actually look alike any more than the two you posted.

Also the thing about you being racist. I could pull that middle paragraph apart just as you did with Ben, but I won't. I said I could say you are racist when you told Ben that you think he is racist because of the contestants he likes/dislikes. Given your favourites in your profile then ... I'll let you figure the rest out.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!

It might not have a history of racism, but remove the racism and look at it for what it is- a comparison between a doll (that just happens to have a racist connotation) and someone else. Thats what you can't seem to understand, and if you can't do that then imo you are more narrowminded than racist people will ever be.

To me the doll and the man do look alike, the hair as well. Do you think that those 2 in that picture look alike? It ends at the hair, just like the other picture!! Double standards if you're trying to say those up there actually look alike any more than the two you posted.

Also the thing about you being racist. I could pull that middle paragraph apart just as you did with Ben, but I won't. I said I could say you are racist when you told Ben that you think he is racist because of the contestants he likes/dislikes. Given your favourites in your profile then ... I'll let you figure the rest out.


MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.

Yes, exactly. They are controversial, nothing to do with skin colour. Now perhaps try applying that to Ben's least favourites. Remove skin colour and look at just personality, and you'll see something completely different.

Also how do you know he can't prove he speaks to black people? Its all assumptions.

Am I racist because I hated Alexandra, Mo and Darnell from BB9?

[30stone]

I said those things so you know i do talk to black people like you said i didnt, i didnt just say it like look at me i dont hate black people **** me did you not get that?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.

Yes, exactly. They are controversial, nothing to do with skin colour. Now perhaps try applying that to Ben's least favourites. Remove skin colour and look at just personality, and you'll see something completely different.

Also how do you know he can't prove he speaks to black people? Its all assumptions.

Am I racist because I hated Alexandra, Mo and Darnell from BB9?

LIke I said before, I am not basing that just on those housemates he dislikes! I can read between the lines, I am not an idiot! Obviously its an assumption, but based on the things he says, I am pretty confident in my assumptions! I'd like to know how you can hate any of them to be honest, apart from Alex, but thats just me!
I have never thought of you as racist. If you sowed sigs, I would have noticed trust me!

[Tom]

^ Hate in context of Big Brother, not actual hate (if that makes any sense)

[Wildcat!]

And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!

[30stone]

I never defended her i said she shoulnt have done it??!!?!?

And your the only person acusing people of racism...

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!

Yes but people need to stop being so over sensitive and looking at things within context. My comparison is exactly what Carol did and is imo no different. Its just unfortunate that what she used as a comparison has such a history. If she compared him to something else would there still be a problem? She isn't exactly changing what she is saying ...

I'm not saying she should have done it (she shouldn't) I'm just saying I think the reaction is a bit OTT

[James]

Can people stop drawing conclusions about other posters... No personal attacks on the forum. Stick to the subject. :whistle:

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!

Yes but people need to stop being so over sensitive and looking at things within context. My comparison is exactly what Carol did and is imo no different. Its just unfortunate that what she used as a comparison has such a history. If she compared him to something else would there still be a problem? She isn't exactly changing what she is saying ...

I'm not saying she should have done it (she shouldn't) I'm just saying I think the reaction is a bit OTT

The fact remains, she didnt compare him to something else. Ant the fact that no one looks like that doll whatsoever, tells me its a racist statement to make, and there is no way of going around it! And over sensitivity doesnt apply in this case. Its common decency and respect that applies!

[Tom]

Does that mean you do think my comparison look alike?

[Wildcat!]

I dont think your comparaison looks alike at all!! I am surprised you would think that at all! Thats the reason why it can only be a racist thing to do! Same as the other doll, I mean its doesnt have a racial connotation, but youre comparing him to the other kid, because they both have redhair! I dont think thats acceptable, but obviously its something that seems acceptable in this country, so thats why no one really find anythig wrong with it! I found both to be offensive and stupid.

[Hugo]

LMAO, I haven't posted anything on this yet, but what wrong with making a simple comparison whether its based on skin colour or anything else. Would someone complain if it was based around eye colour? No.
Its making a comparison not bloody racism. People feel they have to complain these days.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont think your comparaison looks alike at all!! I am surprised you would think that at all! Thats the reason why it can only be a racist thing to do! Same as the other doll, I mean its doesnt have a racial connotation, but youre comparing him to the other kid, because they both have redhair! I dont think thats acceptable, but obviously its something that seems acceptable in this country, so thats why no one really find anythig wrong with it! I found both to be offensive and stupid.

Both stop at hair and skin colour- you never actually said mine don't look alike.

[30stone]

Originally posted by HUGO
LMAO, I haven't posted anything on this yet, but what wrong with making a simple comparison whether its based on skin colour or anything else. Would someone complain if it was based around eye colour? No.
Its making a comparison not bl***y racism. People feel they have to complain these days.

Ama look your next target...

[Wildcat!]

I dont have time for lost causes! And I have debates with people who actually have points and talk in a decent matter, no matter i we agree or not! Thats why I bother t answer Tom's posts, because he actually seem to be willing to have a debATE!

[andyman]

Carol is a tough cookie..

[30stone]

Ama i was happy to aswell but everything i said you twisted round to make me out to be out as a racist do you expect me to carry on normally with you throwing around insults?

[Hugo]

Aint_mad_atcha seems to be the most racist person in this thread tbh;;

'I wish there were more black people on this forum'

[Wildcat!]

You show your limitations so well! Not even realising how embarassing that post is!

[Dom:D]

What does golliwog mean?