So tonight the votes will be counted and...

[Sticks]

We will see who did well in the Euro elections :laugh:

[Shaun]

heh.

[Tom]

News is on at 10.30pm. Oops.

[arista]

The BNP
have won a seat in Europe
from the Yorkshire area.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5471960/European-elections-2009-The-British-National-Party-wins-first-ever-seat.html


And Stinking New Labour have lost
the most.


Also in Yorshire
UKIP gained another seat
and New Labour lost a seat.
Justice.


And in Wales
the Conservatives came top, beating New Labour
and the Welsh Nat.

It is Time For Change.

[Z]

:laugh: I'm amazed that the BNP won a seat, I'd say congratulations but I'm sure people would jump on me for that.

[Lauren]

I'm horrified BNP have won a seat, in retrospect - I can see why they have. Ill-educated people making a statement. Not saying all of them, but I certainly think they helped.

[Lauren]

I spoke too early, 2nd seat won for BNP.

[Z]

The BNP have changed from essentially being a glorified racial hatred group to a political party with extreme views; in a time where Labour and Conservatives are fighting to be the most neutral party, it's only natural that the extreme parties are going to pick up more votes than they would have years ago. I'm surprised they've won seats, but I'm not surprised that people have voted for them.

[Shaun]

I can only see 1 seat for them at the moment, Lauren?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Zee
The BNP have changed from essentially being a glorified racial hatred group to a political party with extreme views; in a time where Labour and Conservatives are fighting to be the most neutral party, it's only natural that the extreme parties are going to pick up more votes than they would have years ago. I'm surprised they've won seats, but I'm not surprised that people have voted for them.

They've made themselves sound neutral, no doubt about it. I don't need to post quotes from their members, they're still as extreme as they've ever been, if not worse.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Shaun
I can only see 1 seat for them at the moment, Lauren?

It's unofficial atm, they've won a seat in North West, with leader Nick Griffin though. Should be coming through soon.

[Shaun]

Ah I see, and indeed, offering to re-patriate non-whites (because they "aren't British") is just disgusting, let alone the fact that only white people can join the party.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Shaun
Ah I see, and indeed, offering to re-patriate non-whites (because they "aren't British") is just disgusting, let alone the fact that only white people can join the party.

Even if we ignore their fascist outright claims, lets look at the... integrity of the MPs.

Dare I quote it? Nick Eriksen BNP - Rape is a myth apparently. Because women enjoy sex, raping them is like force-feeding them chocolate cake.

Mr Eriksen wrote: "I've never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime ... Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.

In November 2005, in an item entitled "Give her a slap!," Mr Eriksen approvingly quoted Noel Coward as saying: "Some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly."
He later claimed that "the vast majority of domestic [assaults] are initiated by the woman".

[Z]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Zee
The BNP have changed from essentially being a glorified racial hatred group to a political party with extreme views; in a time where Labour and Conservatives are fighting to be the most neutral party, it's only natural that the extreme parties are going to pick up more votes than they would have years ago. I'm surprised they've won seats, but I'm not surprised that people have voted for them.

They've made themselves sound neutral, no doubt about it. I don't need to post quotes from their members, they're still as extreme as they've ever been, if not worse.

I was referring to Labour and Conservative when I said neutral; the BNP are extreme, but they're picking up votes from disaffected Labour and Conservative voters.

[Shaun]

Jesus :|

and Daniel Hannan and Nigel Forage to be the next Richard & Judy <3

[Tom]

The irony about the BNP is that people actually agree with them without realising. In a recent survey, people were told BNP policies without being told they were BNP policies and the results found 77% agreed with less asylum seekers, 83% supported priority of British people for housing, 91% agreed with criminals doing full sentences ... and most surprising 59% supported a halt to immigration. All results fell (some quite a lot) when associated with the BNP. Quite interesting actually, full analysis- http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/196

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom
The irony about the BNP is that people actually agree with them without realising. In a recent survey, people were told BNP policies without being told they were BNP policies and the results found 77% agreed with less asylum seekers, 83% supported priority of British people for housing, 91% agreed with criminals doing full sentences ... and most surprising 59% supported a halt to immigration. All results fell (some quite a lot) when associated with the BNP. Quite interesting actually, full analysis- http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/196

Like I said. There are two types of BNP policies. The public ones, and the less-public ones. Once honey-glazed, their policies sound quite ideal.

[Shaun]

Hmm, fortunately the majority of these idiots are the sorts who'd rather pop down to the post office for their giro, blow it all in Lidl and then waddle home to watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote.

[Z]

Originally posted by Tom
The irony about the BNP is that people actually agree with them without realising. In a recent survey, people were told BNP policies without being told they were BNP policies and the results found 77% agreed with less asylum seekers, 83% supported priority of British people for housing, 91% agreed with criminals doing full sentences ... and most surprising 59% supported a halt to immigration. All results fell (some quite a lot) when associated with the BNP. Quite interesting actually, full analysis- http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/196

This is what I mean when I say I can understand why people are voting BNP; they've actually developed policies as opposed to hating on anything that isn't a white man; there's a massive stigma associated with the BNP and nobody wants to be accused of being racist/homophobic/sexist, but as that survey shows, people do agree with some of their policies.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun
Hmm, fortunately the majority of these idiots are the sorts who'd rather pop down to the post office for their giro, blow it all in Lidl and then waddle home to watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote.

You don't agree therefore the survey is wrong? Race issues aside, some of the BNP policies do make some good sense and what people argue in every day life (e.g. make criminals serve a full sentence). I think its perfectly understandable why some people vote for them and I think its perfectly reasonable to not be racist and vote for them.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Shaun
Hmm, fortunately the majority of these idiots are the sorts who'd rather pop down to the post office for their giro, blow it all in Lidl and then waddle home to watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote.

You don't agree therefore the survey is wrong? Race issues aside, some of the BNP policies do make some good sense and what people argue in every day life (e.g. make criminals serve a full sentence). I think its perfectly understandable why some people vote for them and I think its perfectly reasonable to not be racist and vote for them.

I think that the majority of the people surveyed are probably readers of the Sun whose limited interest in politics ends at "SEND DEM ****IN MUSLIMS BACK HOME".

I cannot and will not take a party, who, fundamentally, believe that non-whites are not British, seriously. End of.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Shaun
Hmm, fortunately the majority of these idiots are the sorts who'd rather pop down to the post office for their giro, blow it all in Lidl and then waddle home to watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote.

You don't agree therefore the survey is wrong? Race issues aside, some of the BNP policies do make some good sense and what people argue in every day life (e.g. make criminals serve a full sentence). I think its perfectly understandable why some people vote for them and I think its perfectly reasonable to not be racist and vote for them.

I disagree with the last bit. If you agree with the majority of their votes but disagree with their main policy (the fascist policy) you just simply wouldn't vote for them.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun

I think that the majority of the people surveyed are probably readers of the Sun whose limited interest in politics ends at "SEND DEM ****** MUSLIMS BACK HOME".

I cannot and will not take a party, who, fundamentally, believe that non-whites are not British, seriously. End of.

No I don't agree and I say that as someone who isn't fully British. A lot of people who aren't fully British accept that and are proud of heritage from wherever they come from.

Originally posted by Lauren

I disagree with the last bit. If you agree with the majority of their votes but disagree with their main policy (the fascist policy) you just simply wouldn't vote for them.

I don't agree. Noone likes every policy of any party so if you weigh up the pros and cons of each party, for some people the one with the strongest pros would get their vote. Though its not something I'd personally vote for, I wouldn't condemn anyone for it if they voted for positives rather than to kick out the foreigners.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom

I don't agree. Noone likes every policy of any party so if you weigh up the pros and cons of each party, for some people the one with the strongest pros would get their vote. Though its not something I'd personally vote for, I wouldn't condemn anyone for it if they voted for positives rather than to kick out the foreigners.

We'll have to agree to disagree, cos I certainly disagree with that. You make a good point that no-one likes every policy of any party, but when one of the policies is outright FASCIST, I think it's safe to say it wipes them from my choices. :tongue:

[Shaun]

ew 132k.

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Shaun
Hmm, fortunately the majority of these idiots are the sorts who'd rather pop down to the post office for their giro, blow it all in Lidl and then waddle home to watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote.

You don't agree therefore the survey is wrong? Race issues aside, some of the BNP policies do make some good sense and what people argue in every day life (e.g. make criminals serve a full sentence). I think its perfectly understandable why some people vote for them and I think its perfectly reasonable to not be racist and vote for them.

I think that the majority of the people surveyed are probably readers of the Sun whose limited interest in politics ends at "SEND DEM ****** MUSLIMS BACK HOME".

I cannot and will not take a party, who, fundamentally, believe that non-whites are not British, seriously. End of.

Yeah, never mind people who can't accept that whites can be Indian. :rolleyes:

I agree with Tom's points about positives and negatives about every political Party; the BNP's negative is just a bit too far out there for them to ever become a mainstream party. Are they realistically even going to get to make any kind of anti-ethnic minority policies in the EU though? The only foreseeable problems are BNP representatives actively refusing to communicate with ethnic minority constituents.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Tom

I don't agree. Noone likes every policy of any party so if you weigh up the pros and cons of each party, for some people the one with the strongest pros would get their vote. Though its not something I'd personally vote for, I wouldn't condemn anyone for it if they voted for positives rather than to kick out the foreigners.

We'll have to agree to disagree, cos I certainly disagree with that. You make a good point that no-one likes every policy of any party, but when one of the policies is outright FASCIST, I think it's safe to say it wipes them from my choices. :tongue:

Same with me, but for some people if it means other extreme views can come into practice then its just something that has to happen ... better than having murderers go down for say 4 years out of 18. But as I say I wouldn't think like that anyway

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Zee
Yeah, never mind people who can't accept that whites can be Indian. :rolleyes:

pmsl

Ewwww 2 BNP seats.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Tom

I don't agree. Noone likes every policy of any party so if you weigh up the pros and cons of each party, for some people the one with the strongest pros would get their vote. Though its not something I'd personally vote for, I wouldn't condemn anyone for it if they voted for positives rather than to kick out the foreigners.

We'll have to agree to disagree, cos I certainly disagree with that. You make a good point that no-one likes every policy of any party, but when one of the policies is outright FASCIST, I think it's safe to say it wipes them from my choices. :tongue:

Same with me, but for some people if it means other extreme views can come into practice then its just something that has to happen ... better than having murderers go down for say 4 years out of 18. But as I say I wouldn't think like that anyway

Sorry if it sounded like I was suggesting you were one of them :laugh: I just meant the BNP-voters. I genuinely cannot accept any justification for people voting a fascist regime, other than that they are ignorant to what they're truly voting for.

[Z]

I really doubt that all of the votes for the BNP came from racist people; I think it was more about making a statement, particularly against Labour, because the BNP are, at present, the only extreme Party in the public eye. I think that Labour are going to lose the next General Election in the UK, and if their next leader has any common sense, he's going to reverse what Tony Blair did and turn the Party into a more left wing Party again; in order to win votes.

[Shaun]

I don't know if that's the case - if people were disillusioned with Labour, why go for the most extreme possibility? You wouldn't, with all intelligence and level-headedness, stumble into the poll-booths and blindly ignore some of the BNP's most well-known and hated ideals.

I think Nick Griffin was bound to win because he's a well-known figure, but the Yorkshire seat...*shrug*

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
I don't know if that's the case - if people were disillusioned with Labour, why go for the most extreme possibility? You wouldn't, with all intelligence and level-headedness, stumble into the poll-booths and blindly ignore some of the BNP's most well-known and hated ideals.

I think Nick Griffin was bound to win because he's a well-known figure, but the Yorkshire seat...*shrug*

Where else are they going to go (Labour voters)? There is no alternative. The Liberal Democrats were formed because they disagreed with the Labour Party; they're only similar now because Labour have changed so much, Labour voters would never vote Conservative and they're not going to vote Lib Dems, because they're the same as Labour! It sounds ludicrous, I know, but I really do believe that this is the case. Intelligence doesn't factor into it; angry people aren't rational people or level-headed.

[Shaun]

UKIP, Green, independent...

I don't know. I don't doubt that there are some voters who HAVE done what you're describing, I'm just sceptical as to whether or not it's always the case.

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
UKIP, Green, independent...

I don't know. I don't doubt that there are some voters who HAVE done what you're describing, I'm just sceptical as to whether or not it's always the case.

Again, that comes down to personal preference. The Greens have policies about the environment that are fully comprehensive, they are underdeveloped elsewhere. Independent candidates aren't going to be represented in every area, and don't have enough coverage to be widely known in each area they happen to be in; UKIP maybe, but yeah, personal preference. Hardcore supporters of Labour and Conservative who no longer feel attached to their Party are going to be looking to make a statement; the BNP represent affirmative action and intentions of doing something, it doesn't really matter to these voters what they're doing. It's not going to be true of all these BNP voters, but I'd say the majority of people who have voted BNP for the first time tonight would have voted for this reason.

[arista]

Stinking New Labour Lost 5 MEP's
Bliss.

[Z]

Originally posted by arista
Stinking New Labour Lost 5 MEP's
Bliss.

:hugesmile: Were you pleased last night/this morning when you found out, arista?

[lily.]

Originally posted by Zee
I really doubt that all of the votes for the BNP came from racist people; I think it was more about making a statement, particularly against Labour, because the BNP are, at present, the only extreme Party in the public eye. I think that Labour are going to lose the next General Election in the UK, and if their next leader has any common sense, he's going to reverse what Tony Blair did and turn the Party into a more left wing Party again; in order to win votes.

I'd agree in part with what you said Greg.

However, something else which can't be overlooked is the new breed of racist we have. I'm referring to people who weren't brought up racist, but have developed racist viewpoints because of how this country is currently run.

A lot of people feel that British citizens are not treated as well as foreign immigrants. A lot of people are sick of the over-sensitivity which exists in some parts of government/media regarding nationality/religion.

So, I think a lot of the BNP vote will have come from people who are disillusioned with what this country has become.

However, for me personally, their extreme views stop me from ever giving them a vote. I would like to see murderers given life sentences but no sugar-coated policy is enough to compensate for their main agenda.

SNP is still a major party up here though, so any anti-Labour/Tory votes usually go there.