Anachronism

[tenez.le.droit]

After the massive outcry with regard to Jade Goody’s anti-Indian slurs – it is ironic that when Big Brother actually puts an Indian in the house, this person just serves to be a dire model and representative of his country.

Sree is immensely self-serving, egotistical, and Janus-faced. He demonstrates a complete lack of integrity, is perpetually immature and his references to his own social position and intellect risible. His pseudo-smiling; his egotistical conversational gambits; his emotional idiocy…

Jade Goody felt the need to go to India to apologise to the nation – Sree should do the same… Big Brother has played into the hands of the racists by putting Sree into the house, as he has manifested the stereotypical behaviours xenophobes cite with regard to people from the sub-continent. Shame on Big Brother for choosing this candidate for the programme.

[vesavius]

Such nonsense.

No man is a representitive of any country, only of himself.

I happen to hate Kris more then Sree, and think he is fundementally a more vile person. Should every twat on TV be forced to apologise to their home country?

Idiocy.

[Saph]

i dont see how jade goody, indians, and sree can all be related...

well yeah i can, but i doubt thats why Sree is in there :conf2:

[tenez.le.droit]

Originally posted by vesavius
Such nonsense.

No man is a representitive of any country, only of himself.

I happen to hate Kris more then Sree, and think he is fundementally a more vile person. Should every t*** on TV be forced to apologise to their home country?

Idiocy.

To my knowledge, with the exception of Shilpa Shetty the British Big Brother series has never had a native Indian on the programme before. The fallout from that series was huge…

Big Brother is patently watched by a huge audience, and Sree is quite possibly their only introduction to somebody actually hailing directly from the Indian sub-continent. As such, I am sure many will be judgmental…

If you were watching the Indian version of Big Brother, and you were watching the only native English person – the sole representative of your culture on the programme, acting in the same manner as Sree – how would you feel?

The rest of the housemates provide a cross section of Britain – we appreciate the other characters’ idiosyncrasies – they will not be labelled.

I appreciate you are attempting to provide an equitable, politically correct view – but do you have the faith in British society to hold the same view?

[HELLIWONTGO]

British people do act like that, well some of them, we are not that thin skinned, we got lots of people we are ashamed of, the prime minister to start with!
But thats not our fault, people are judged individually not as a nation, look at posh spice, or Jordan I'm ashamed to come from the same country as those talentless morons!!!

[vesavius]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
Originally posted by vesavius
Such nonsense.

No man is a representitive of any country, only of himself.

I happen to hate Kris more then Sree, and think he is fundementally a more vile person. Should every t*** on TV be forced to apologise to their home country?

Idiocy.


If you were watching the Indian version of Big Brother, and you were watching the only native English person – the sole representative of your culture on the programme, acting in the same manner as Sree – how would you feel?



.... an equitable, politically correct view... /snip

On the first question I would judge that person on his own behaviour. I wouldnt be so ignorant to judge an entire culture on him, or indeed think he owes that culture an apology. Thats just idiocy.

British people act like sh!ts on TV day in day out, do you really demand an apology from all of them to the British people? Ridicolous.

On your second question... I am aware that you offer up being 'political correct' as an snide insult, but thats ok, I don't mind that.

Sree is a twat because Sree is a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Stop trying to subersively trying to turn this into a race issue. Your cover is paper thin.

[Prole]

I don't like Karly. The fact that she's Scottish is neither here not there. They could put in a Scot I really liked.. Most people base their observations on the individual. Same goes with Sree.

[vesavius]

Originally posted by ViaVerde
I don't like Karly. The fact that she's Scottish is neither here not there. They could put in a Scot I really liked.. Most people base their observations on the individual. Same goes with Sree.

I hate karly, but do i judge Scotland on her or expect her to apologise to her country for being a nasty bitch?

Lol, of course not.

[GeorgeOrwell]

How is this an anachronism?

:puzzled:

[RCW1945]

tenez
Do you know what "anachronism" means?

[vesavius]

Originally posted by RCW1945
tenez
Do you know what "anachronism" means?

The representation of someone as existing or something as happening in other than chronological, proper, or historical order.

One that is out of its proper or chronological order, especially a person or practice that belongs to an earlier time: “A new age had plainly dawned, an age that made the institution of a segregated picnic seem an anachronism” (Henry Louis Gates, Jr.).

[kisywisy]

i get pee'd off with the fact that they find the most annoying scottish person in there every time.

i think we (the scottish) are kinda labelled by them, so i sort of agree with your post.

[Prole]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i get pee'd off with the fact that they find the most annoying scottish person in there every time.

i think we (the scottish) are kinda labelled by them, so i sort of agree with your post.

Nah, no one thinks you're all like that! Stick Frankie Boyle in the house, he'd sort 'em out :-)

[RCW1945]

Vesavius,nice dictionary you have there but maybe GO and I were trying (perhaps too obliquely) to indicate that the OP had nothing at all to do with anachronisms.

[MargeryFan]

Reminds me of when Gerry used to go on about how he's "representing Greece" when nobody realisticly thinks of gerry when they think of Greece. It's famous for so many other more respectable things.

[vesavius]

Originally posted by RCW1945
Vesavius,nice dictionary you have there but maybe GO and I were trying (perhaps too obliquely) to indicate that the OP had nothing at all to do with anachronisms.

Yes, I got it, and I was (perhaps too obliquely) supporting the fact that it had nothing to do with anachronisms.

No need to be snippy.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
After the massive outcry with regard to Jade Goody’s anti-Indian slurs – it is ironic that when Big Brother actually puts an Indian in the house, this person just serves to be a dire model and representative of his country.

Sree is immensely self-serving, egotistical, and Janus-faced. He demonstrates a complete lack of integrity, is perpetually immature and his references to his own social position and intellect risible. His pseudo-smiling; his egotistical conversational gambits; his emotional idiocy…

Jade Goody felt the need to go to India to apologise to the nation – Sree should do the same… Big Brother has played into the hands of the racists by putting Sree into the house, as he has manifested the stereotypical behaviours xenophobes cite with regard to people from the sub-continent. Shame on Big Brother for choosing this candidate for the programme.

most of what i was gonna say has been said,but im not sure why you think sree needs to apologise..he has no need to apologise to noone,especially not on your say so.
jade apologised because she was seen to be racist and her agent felt if she hadnt her career may have gone down the pan..

i gather from this post your not liking sree much but i truly cant figure out why this thread needed to be made,psuedo smiling a sin?not quite sure why one would apologize for a psuedo smile still

[yousoboo!]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
After the massive outcry with regard to Jade Goody’s anti-Indian slurs – it is ironic that when Big Brother actually puts an Indian in the house, this person just serves to be a dire model and representative of his country.

Sree is immensely self-serving, egotistical, and Janus-faced. He demonstrates a complete lack of integrity, is perpetually immature and his references to his own social position and intellect risible. His pseudo-smiling; his egotistical conversational gambits; his emotional idiocy…

Jade Goody felt the need to go to India to apologise to the nation – Sree should do the same… Big Brother has played into the hands of the racists by putting Sree into the house, as he has manifested the stereotypical behaviours xenophobes cite with regard to people from the sub-continent. Shame on Big Brother for choosing this candidate for the programme.



This has to be a goad post surley you can't be this ignorant.

[tenez.le.droit]

We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

[xerophytes]

Before Sree apologizes to India, he should do that first to Hertfordshire University.

[Cody™]

He is representative of himself, not his country. You're the one being stereotypical.

[28thapril]

Originally posted by xerophytes
Before Sree apologizes to India, he should do that first to Hertfordshire University.

i'm sure when he gets out on friday and sees his feedback he will be on bended knees licking there shoes(his words not mine):cheer2:

[jay303]

we should bitch slap his ass back to mecca.:spin:

[28thapril]

Originally posted by jay303
we should bitch slap his ass back to mecca.:spin:

now that he would enjoy!!!

[vesavius]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

Waffle and white noise. Your agenda is nonetheless clear.

You didnt even answer my direct and clear questions.

Should every British person acting like a nasty or rude twat on TV apologise to the Nation everytime they do so? Should I as an individual be judged on someone elses behavior, just because they are British?

[GeorgeOrwell]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

But whatt's that got to do with being anachronistic?

:puzzled:

[RCW1945]

Mecca?
Did you mean the dance-hall?
Mecca is in Saudi Arabia and the centre for moslems.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by jay303
we should bitch slap his ass back to mecca.:spin:

numb nut mecca would have been more apt had sree been a muslim,looks like i should virtualy bitch slap you back to pre school:whistle:

[xerophytes]

Is he Hindu?

[xerophytes]

Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

Waffle and white noise. Your agenda is nonetheless clear.

You didnt even answer my direct and clear questions.

Should every British person acting like a nasty or rude t*** on TV apologise to the Nation everytime they do so? Should I as an individual be judged on someone elses behavior, just because they are British?

I think the point of the threadstarter is that... if you are a different national and go to a diff country with a very public show or event, you actually seems like a representative.

So if a British national go to BB USA, then it will look like an Indian in BB UK.

Get my point?

[tintedshadow]

^^ that point i can sort of understand..and to be fair if someone from the uk went to bb usa and did well,we would be claiming them as ours and if they failed hard i think we'd probably distance ourselves.. such is life i suppose

[RCW1945]

Yes, but he titled it "anachronism". Perhaps he thinks Sree is a throwback to The Raj.

[vesavius]

Originally posted by xerophytes
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

Waffle and white noise. Your agenda is nonetheless clear.

You didnt even answer my direct and clear questions.

Should every British person acting like a nasty or rude t*** on TV apologise to the Nation everytime they do so? Should I as an individual be judged on someone elses behavior, just because they are British?

I think the point of the threadstarter is that... if you are a different national and go to a diff country with a very public show or event, you actually seems like a representative.

So if a British national go to BB USA, then it will look like an Indian in BB UK.

Get my point?

I understand his point, sure, but I don't agree.

For example, I don't see anyone demanding an apology to any of the Brits that go to the US to be professional assholes to the British public.

[tenez.le.droit]

Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

Waffle and white noise. Your agenda is nonetheless clear.

You didnt even answer my direct and clear questions.

Should every British person acting like a nasty or rude t*** on TV apologise to the Nation everytime they do so? Should I as an individual be judged on someone elses behavior, just because they are British?

Firstly, please know I have never taken any of your remarks personally - although I note you appear to have taken mine. Secondly, I apologise for not answering - I understood your questions were rhetorical.

As I have said, the British members of the House are a group, further they are being perceived by a British audience - the dyanamics are different in Sree's case.

As I have said, and continue to say, Sree is a sole representative - I have rtionlised this in my previous posts.

I strongly suspect Sree was placed in the house as a sop subsequent to the Jade Goody farago.

Watching last night's hour-long condensation of the day, I wonder even more about Channel 4's agenda - the fact that Sress was effectively non-existent on the programme, Halfwit being by far and away the major protagonist, suggests that they are atempting to redress the situation discussed in this post. There was a complete lack of equanimity bearing in mind both candidates are up for eviction today... Peculiar, when it appeare that Sree was able to offer so much 'entetainment' during every other programme...

[scary]

Why Mecca? He is not Muslim!

[Prole]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit

Firstly, please know I have never taken any of your remarks personally - although I note you appear to have taken mine. Secondly, I apologise for not answering - I understood your questions were rhetorical.

As I have said, the British members of the House are a group, further they are being perceived by a British audience - the dyanamics are different in Sree's case.

As I have said, and continue to say, Sree is a sole representative - I have rtionlised this in my previous posts.

I strongly suspect Sree was placed in the house as a sop subsequent to the Jade Goody farago.

Watching last night's hour-long condensation of the day, I wonder even more about Channel 4's agenda - the fact that Sress was effectively non-existent on the programme, Halfwit being by far and away the major protagonist, suggests that they are atempting to redress the situation discussed in this post. There was a complete lack of equanimity bearing in mind both candidates are up for eviction today... Peculiar, when it appeare that Sree was able to offer so much 'entetainment' during every other programme...

I have rarely seen a contributer to this forum use so many words to say so little.

[vesavius]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
We are representative of our own country and culture; we are its product – and it is especially true when we are the sole representative that another group encounters… Shouldn’t you feel like that when you are visiting a foreign country? Isn’t the expectation that we are all, effectively, ambassadors – don’t we all shy away from the British examples who misbehave abroad or embarrass us as a nation?

Big Brother has been in existence for a decade; I presume that every candidate is vetted, psychologically profiled, etc. extremely thoroughly. With this level of appreciation, Big Brother must have had an excellent notion as to how Sree would behave and his character traits. As such, what was Big Brother trying to achieve with its representation of Indians? I would have expected them to implant an especially worthwhile role-model when they were looking for a native Indian – especially after the purported world-wide furore with the Jade Goody Celebrity series – what was the motive for placing such an egregious person as Sree for everybody to disparage?

Waffle and white noise. Your agenda is nonetheless clear.

You didnt even answer my direct and clear questions.

Should every British person acting like a nasty or rude t*** on TV apologise to the Nation everytime they do so? Should I as an individual be judged on someone elses behavior, just because they are British?

Firstly, please know I have never taken any of your remarks personally - although I note you appear to have taken mine. Secondly, I apologise for not answering - I understood your questions were rhetorical.

As I have said, the British members of the House are a group, further they are being perceived by a British audience - the dyanamics are different in Sree's case.

As I have said, and continue to say, Sree is a sole representative - I have rtionlised this in my previous posts.

I strongly suspect Sree was placed in the house as a sop subsequent to the Jade Goody farago.

Watching last night's hour-long condensation of the day, I wonder even more about Channel 4's agenda - the fact that Sress was effectively non-existent on the programme, Halfwit being by far and away the major protagonist, suggests that they are atempting to redress the situation discussed in this post. There was a complete lack of equanimity bearing in mind both candidates are up for eviction today... Peculiar, when it appeare that Sree was able to offer so much 'entetainment' during every other programme...

Just because I say you waffle and that I understand your true point, it dosent mean I have taken anything you said 'personally'. I understand how you are approaching this debate though.

Tbh, the bottom line is that your view on this is simply garbage. I will now withdraw from this thread as I don't want to bump someone with your thinly veiled, though obvious, agenda any more.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by jay303
we should bitch slap his ass back to mecca.:spin:


Umm Mecca is an Arab Muslim city, what does that have to do with Sree who is an Indian Hindu? Please brush up on your geography.

[GeorgeOrwell]

Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
Firstly, please know I have never taken any of your remarks personally - although I note you appear to have taken mine. Secondly, I apologise for not answering - I understood your questions were rhetorical.

As I have said, the British members of the House are a group, further they are being perceived by a British audience - the dyanamics are different in Sree's case.

As I have said, and continue to say, Sree is a sole representative - I have rtionlised this in my previous posts.

I strongly suspect Sree was placed in the house as a sop subsequent to the Jade Goody farago.

Watching last night's hour-long condensation of the day, I wonder even more about Channel 4's agenda - the fact that Sress was effectively non-existent on the programme, Halfwit being by far and away the major protagonist, suggests that they are atempting to redress the situation discussed in this post. There was a complete lack of equanimity bearing in mind both candidates are up for eviction today... Peculiar, when it appeare that Sree was able to offer so much 'entetainment' during every other programme...

Yes but what's this got to do with anachronisms?

:puzzled:

[tenez.le.droit]

Originally posted by GeorgeOrwell
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
Firstly, please know I have never taken any of your remarks personally - although I note you appear to have taken mine. Secondly, I apologise for not answering - I understood your questions were rhetorical.

As I have said, the British members of the House are a group, further they are being perceived by a British audience - the dyanamics are different in Sree's case.

As I have said, and continue to say, Sree is a sole representative - I have rtionlised this in my previous posts.

I strongly suspect Sree was placed in the house as a sop subsequent to the Jade Goody farago.

Watching last night's hour-long condensation of the day, I wonder even more about Channel 4's agenda - the fact that Sress was effectively non-existent on the programme, Halfwit being by far and away the major protagonist, suggests that they are atempting to redress the situation discussed in this post. There was a complete lack of equanimity bearing in mind both candidates are up for eviction today... Peculiar, when it appeare that Sree was able to offer so much 'entetainment' during every other programme...

Yes but what's this got to do with anachronisms?

:puzzled:

Apologies for creating the enigma - I a rying to make a very uneucated reference to the questionable point in timeat which Sree was placed in the house subsequent to jade Goody's hoo-ha

[tenez.le.droit]

Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by tenez.le.droit
Originally posted by vesavius
Such nonsense.

No man is a representitive of any country, only of himself.

I happen to hate Kris more then Sree, and think he is fundementally a more vile person. Should every t*** on TV be forced to apologise to their home country?

Idiocy.


If you were watching the Indian version of Big Brother, and you were watching the only native English person – the sole representative of your culture on the programme, acting in the same manner as Sree – how would you feel?



.... an equitable, politically correct view... /snip

On the first question I would judge that person on his own behaviour. I wouldnt be so ignorant to judge an entire culture on him, or indeed think he owes that culture an apology. Thats just idiocy.

British people act like sh!ts on TV day in day out, do you really demand an apology from all of them to the British people? Ridicolous.

On your second question... I am aware that you offer up being 'political correct' as an snide insult, but thats ok, I don't mind that.

Sree is a t*** because Sree is a t***, nothing more nothing less.

Stop trying to subersively trying to turn this into a race issue. Your cover is paper thin.

As said in the abovementioned - I took nothing personally - however, your reference to a 'snide comment' does appear to suggest that you did feel this. Nor have I called you an idiot - hence, with respect, it is you who has introduced a personal aspect to this exchange.

You accuse me, I feel, of being a racist - I think this is extremely unlikely as a first generation British Indian myself.

[tenez.le.droit]

Originally posted by Cody™
He is representative of himself, not his country. You're the one being stereotypical.

So, you do not feel embarassed about English Football hooligans when they have rampaged in other countries? And, you would safely and confidently holiday in Baghdad believing you would not be viewed as a representative of the West - you would be just responsible for yourself? And the British embassies in Eastern Europe adopting a policy of doing the bare minimum to assist members of stag parties has nothing to do with a feeling that Britain is tarnished by their behaviour...

It was mentioned by another writer that Britons do not apologise for being badly behaved - Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand appear to have been forced by media authorities to do just that - hence, there does appear to be a precedent.

Lastly, I am intrigued as a person who did not go to university, how a person with Sree's languange limitations can be undertaking a Masters Degree at an English University. I am further interested to know how somebody with such dire inter-personal skills, devoid of emotional intelligence was elected to be the Chairman of the Students' Union at that establishment?

[tintedshadow]

wow,ok well first off ross and brand had to apologise for disrespecting a fellow thesbian's grand daughter (or maybe his daughter) live on radio,which has nothing to do with sree..sree has nothing to apologise for..

and why you feel his language limitations should have any bearing on him doing a masters degree i dont know,perhaps you dont know this he has the same rights as any other student if he qualifies with the right grades..

you clearly lack the understanding for even the most basic rights of a individual and yet want to some how propose sree must apologise?a first generation indian you may be,but open minded to a fellow indian you are clearly not..

[xerophytes]

Just a note for the English language thing. prior to enrolling to a university, you are required to take up an international English proficiency test. And you need to get a required mark to be able to get into the program.

So, if Sree managed to make it to a Masters degree, he should have got a rather satisfying mark.

[tintedshadow]

is that a sweeping generalisation or is that how all universities work?cause i know for a fact it is not the case in nottingham uni and i shall indeed ask my girl at herts uni what she reckons..

[xerophytes]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
is that a sweeping generalisation or is that how all universities work?cause i know for a fact it is not the case in nottingham uni and i shall indeed ask my girl at herts uni what she reckons..

I am an international student. And yes, prior to entry, you need to successfully achieved a certain mark.

BUT, an exception to the rule here are English speaking countries, such as USA, Australia, etc. Because, obviously, you came from a country which speaks the language, brought up there and studied in an English speaking school; thus your first language is English.

From what I remember, there are cases on which international students are not directly able to enter a bachelors program, they need to take a one year thing, which I forgot what you call it. As far as I know, that "thing" is meant to help you improve your English proficiency.

[tintedshadow]

loll no wait i take it back i wasnt paying attention,international students was indeed the issue and your right..so i stand corrected