I've Gone Off Bea - Ken is an Idiot, But Bea's Pretty Bad Herself ...

[AhmedFan2004]

I've kinda gone off her a bit, this whole 'lovely innocent cuddly hippie' thing is a blanket to help her swiftly breeze through the weeks and potentially win. Joining Halfwit is such an easy card really.

I don't think it's right that she didn't contribute to the task. That's letting the team down, and potentially being responsible for evicting somebody WHO TRIED to pass the task. I think that's bad.

She should have targetted Noirin, since Freddie was close to her. That was a fair deal, and in the spirit of working as a team. She let them all down.

She also has a sharp tongue and was rude to imply that she was intimidating Ken. That is asking for an argument in my books.

To note, I dislike Ken more. But you can see through Bea. I think when it's a team task everyone should give 110%. She had no excuses.

[Tom4784]

I think she was vindicated in anything she said to Kenneth considering how he treated her. It's her choice to participate in the task, she was willing to let herself face the consequences so what was wrong with that? The 'Sharp tongue' argument also fails when you compare what she said to Kenneth's words.

If someone gets evicted from the Newbies Friday, it won't be because Bea didn't try, it'll be because they've been an unlikable tit. Kenneth's made his bed now he's gotta lie in it.

[Twiggy]

Agree with your post.
Also why go into the BB house knowing full well there will be tasks, if you are scared to take part!

[tramp-stamp]

all this blaming Bea for the failure of the task, but what exactly did the others do? besides insisting that Bea stab freddie in the back, to save them (which incidently wouldnt have worked but nobody seemed to realise, that it was the other housemates that had to be influenced)

[amy-jayne]

If I was Bea, I wouldn't have taken part in the task either, its her choice, yes they were supposed to act as a team, but theyre all individuals when making their choices. Lets face it, they never would have passed the task anyway.
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.
Kenneth was the one who said to Charlie when he went in the living room "Her trying to intimidate me, i know people outside blah blah" and Charlie went and told Bea what he said, so she asked him..and then didn't hear him when he insulted her in the garden and said pardon and hes stormed upto her and acted like a total arsehole.
She has a right to not take part in tasks, how about the HM's today refusing to nominate properly...same concept really

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
I've totally gone off her, this whole 'lovely innocent cuddly hippie' thing is obviously a blanket to help her swiftly breeze through the weeks and potentially win. Joining Halfwit is such an easy card.

I don't think it's right that she didn't contribute to the task. That's letting the team down, and potentially being responsible for evicting somebody WHO TRIED to pass the task. I think that's bad.

She should have targetted Noirin, since Freddie was close to her. That was a fair deal, and in the spirit of working as a team. She let them all down.

She also has a sharp tongue and was rude to imply that she was intimidating Ken. That is asking for an argument in my books.

To note, I dislike Ken more. But you can see through Bea. I think when it's a team task everyone should give 110%. She had no excuses.

The logic you present is flawed. There is no requirement to follow the task if you think it will be damaging to your own interests. She KNEW she would not be voted out if the newbies were up. If Freddie and Noirin were up she would be disadvantaged, so WHY would she do that to herself?

Oh and a final point, you fatally flaw your argument when you say she should give 110%. That is patently impossible.

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
all this blaming Bea for the failure of the task, but what exactly did the others do? besides insisting that Bea stab freddie in the back, to save them (which incidently wouldnt have worked but nobody seemed to realise, that it was the other housemates that had to be influenced)
I don't think anyone is blaming her for failing the task, I think people just think she was out of order for telling the other house mates she didn't want to get involved but the others did. Nasty piece of work!

[rusticgal]

Originally posted by Twiggy
Agree with your post.
Also why go into the BB house knowing full well there will be tasks, if you are scared to take part!

Dont think she was 'scared'.... she didn't want to play.Just like Rodrigo and Lisa didn't want to 'play' tonight.If I went into the house and befriended someone I would have done the same thing.

[Beastie]

bea is great!! leave her alone!

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes:

[amy-jayne]

Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.

[rayheartbliss]

her childish fans on this forum are just making it worst for her.

[Beastie]

she was upfront to the new housemates!!

and bea is right in what she said "what you see is what you get"

she says what she feels and is not a backstabber :D

[AhmedFan2004]

The logic you present is flawed. There is no requirement to follow the task if you think it will be damaging to your own interests.
My post had nothing to do with that. I fully realise that she would be safe if she was up for eviction, and that she didn't want to put herself in the sh*t with Freddie esp, and even Noirin.

But it was still smug of her to be like that, she mocked others for trying by saying they were scared. IMO it's wrong to not contribute to the task.

She KNEW she would not be voted out if the newbies were up. If Freddie and Noirin were up she would be disadvantaged, so WHY would she do that to herself?
Yes and again that's not related to the point I made. The point is, she was not pulling her weight and also causing 4 others to go up rather than the two originals. It's also smug to think like that and not contribute. It's an ethos of mine.

I know what you're saying, but there's the flipside - 4 newbies going up, letting the team down, a newbie who TRIED getting evicted, etc.

Oh and a final point, you fatally flaw your argument when you say she should give 110%. That is patently impossible.
The flaw is that you interpreted that statement of mine in the wrong context. The context was that it was just a proverbial phrase.

But I do appreciate that you answered logically. I much prefer these kind of posts to emotional ones that lead to nowhere. :wavey:

[amy-jayne]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
her childish fans on this forum are just making it worst for her. How are people talking about her on a forum, making it any worse? Shes not going to go on Friday anyway, people hate Kenny too much

[idiotsavant]

I liked her until tonight. Yes, ken was totally out of order, but she was clearly trying to wind him up (knowing he would be the eviction targert once the task was failed - she had said as much to Hira earlier). Far worse than that was the holier-than-thou act once the task had been revealed - her comments were totally unnecessary.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
her childish fans on this forum are just making it worst for her.

It's OK, her childish anti-fans are just making it better for her, so kinda cancel each other out really.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
I think when it's a team task everyone should give 110%. She had no excuses. Exactly

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by rayheartbliss
her childish fans on this forum are just making it worst for her. How are people talking about her on a forum, making it any worse? Shes not going to go on Friday anyway, people hate Kenny too much oh dont get me wrong, kenny's out for good this friday unless people vote for marcus.

[arsenalforever]

Bea is clever cause she came across like a friend which a lot of people won't forget and could see her become very popular

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
all this blaming Bea for the failure of the task, but what exactly did the others do? besides insisting that Bea stab freddie in the back, to save them (which incidently wouldnt have worked but nobody seemed to realise, that it was the other housemates that had to be influenced)
They gave her the alternative to get Noirin up, once she told them that she wouldn't do that to Freddie. I thought this was a fair comprimise.

I also see no reason why she asked Ken whether she intimidated him. Quite rude, that's bound to cause conflict. I try to be unbiased.

You also made an error - Backstabbing Freddie was to get him up on a technicality ... "Ohh don't worry Bea, I'd never nominate you." That kinda thing.

[Beastie]

at the end of the day bea wanted to "let it be" and she genuinely hit it off with halfwit!! i could see on friday night they totally hit it off and have lots in common!!

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.

[amy-jayne]

Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well

[BBLB]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.

She backstabbed them and then drove the knife straight in their heart after nominations were announced .

Stabbed them in the back because she knew by the gameplaying she was doing that she was safe,she knew halfwit was safe even if he went up..so she saved Noirin at the cost of putting 4 hms on the line.

After nominations she threw the others under the bus with her some of us tried less than others speech.

1 into the back then one to the heart..nice girl eh?

[xmynxiex]

To be fair Bea was noly repeating what charlie has said to her in the bedroom. It was charlie that started the whole tell tailing of what ken had said. Ken said that he thought bea was intimidating him, charlie then ran through to bedroom and told bea what he had said.

In the garden Bea only asked kenny if he thought she was intimidating him, as to which he took the wrong way and caused a comotion. I think bea was only trying to get the truth from him. She didnt do wrong imo and had every right to confront him on that. I`m by no means a Bea supporter as im still trying to sus her out. But i dont think she deserves all the hate shes getting at the moment.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
at the end of the day bea wanted to "let it be" and she genuinely hit it off with halfwit!! i could see on friday night they totally hit it off and have lots in common!!
Yes but the fair comprimise that she declined, was targetting Noirin.

You say it's ok that she decided to not do the task ('let it be') but there's consequences:

= 4 people going up instead
= Not participating as part of a team
= Someone evicted who did TRY; so she's responsible for that, partially
= Is smug about knowing/thinking she won't go anyway. Not a nice attitude really.

[snazzyyazzy]

As she went in as an individual, she made a decision as an individual. She did what most people would do and made a judgement based on basic survival, because isn't that what this show is all about. In its most basic form it's survival of the fittest and then means mentally as well as physically. I didn't see them hounding Hira as much as they were Bea and lets face it they really didn't put that much effort into it anyway. Bea wasn't the only weak link in the chain, they all were.

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well She would have to have known that the housemates would have totally understood it was simply a task! Which is what they all expect to do when they go in the house!

[amy-jayne]

She didnt take part in the task, thankfully theyre all up for eviction, so we can get Kenny out. They weren't ever going to pass the task anyway, never

[tramp-stamp]

If you come into big brother late, your at an instant disadvantage

If big brother sets you a task that means you have to bitch about certain housemates to try and manipulate others, (whilst trying to gain acceptance??? yeah rite!)

4 out of 5 saw winning the task as the best way to guarantee staying in the house, Bea saw being herself, and taking her chances in the 5 way vote, integrity intact, as the way forward

It might be a foregone conclusion that Kenny goes this week, but next week i think Beas in safer position than the remaining 3 noobs

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by xmynxiex
To be fair Bea was noly repeating what charlie has said to her in the bedroom. It was charlie that started the whole tell tailing of what ken had said. Ken said that he thought bea was intimidating him, charlie then ran through to bedroom and told bea what he had said.

In the garden Bea only asked kenny if he thought she was intimidating him, as to which he took the wrong way and caused a comotion. I think bea was only trying to get the truth from him. She didnt do wrong imo and had every right to confront him on that. I`m by no means a Bea supporter as im still trying to sus her out. But i dont think she deserves all the hate shes getting at the moment.
Ken didn't say he thought Bea was intimidating him. He said that she was TRYING to intimidate him.

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
If you come into big brother late, your at an instant disadvantage

If big brother sets you a task that means you have to bitch about certain housemates to try and manipulate others, (whilst trying to gain acceptance??? yeah rite!)

4 out of 5 saw winning the task as the best way to guarantee staying in the house, Bea saw being herself, and taking her chances in the 5 way vote, integrity intact, as the way forward

It might be a foregone conclusion that Kenny goes this week, but next week i think Beas in safer position than the remaining 3 noobs
That is fine that she wasn't happy at doing the task, none of them were. I liked and respected her for that at the time. But then she went and sold the others out after already displaying a rather vindictive nature of trying to wind Kenny up in front of others and laughing and actually enjoying it. She knew totally what she was doing.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
If you come into big brother late, your at an instant disadvantage

If big brother sets you a task that means you have to bitch about certain housemates to try and manipulate others, (whilst trying to gain acceptance??? yeah rite!)

4 out of 5 saw winning the task as the best way to guarantee staying in the house, Bea saw being herself, and taking her chances in the 5 way vote, integrity intact, as the way forward

It might be a foregone conclusion that Kenny goes this week, but next week i think Beas in safer position than the remaining 3 noobs
Yes but she was never honest about that and told it straight.

Her excuses were that she was so respectful and loving of the other HMs that she'd never do that to them.

Instead of saying that she knew she wouldn't go, so it wasn't a worthwhile choice for her to do all that.

Like I said, there are consequences to just deciding not to bother.

[amy-jayne]

Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well She would have to have known that the housemates would have totally understood it was simply a task! Which is what they all expect to do when they go in the house!
Maybe, but its too late now she didnt do the task, so i dont see why theres all this fuss over it...

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well She would have to have known that the housemates would have totally understood it was simply a task! Which is what they all expect to do when they go in the house!
Maybe, but its too late now she didnt do the task, so i dont see why theres all this fuss over it... I wasn't aware there was a fuss! Is there then?

[squinky]

maybe she is just a decent person(yes they do exsist).

i find it so funny that so many talk of game plans etc (yawn) ,hard for narrow minded people to believe,but not everyone has an agenda.people really shouldnt judge by their own standards.if she had played along,you would be calling her a 2 faced bitch,if she said nothing she would be a fence sitter.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by squinky
maybe she is just a decent person(yes they do exsist).

i find it so funny that so many talk of game plans etc (yawn) ,hard for narrow minded people to believe,but not everyone has an agenda.people really shouldnt judge by their own standards.if she had played along,you would be calling her a 2 faced bitch,if she said nothing she would be a fence sitter.
I don't think she's a bad person lol, I just think she should have contributed to the task and not been smug about the idea of already being safe. It's good to be a team player, pull your weight, make friends, etc.

Likewise it sucks that Freddie only speaks to the one that 'fits his category' because she's white/posh/middle class/hippy. A form of prejudice.

Things like this highlight just how real, wise and down to earth Lisa is. She relates to ALL types.

[Insane_Spirit]

Originally posted by Dezzy
I think she was vindicated in anything she said to Kenneth considering how he treated her. It's her choice to participate in the task, she was willing to let herself face the consequences so what was wrong with that? The 'Sharp tongue' argument also fails when you compare what she said to Kenneth's words.

If someone gets evicted from the Newbies Friday, it won't be because Bea didn't try, it'll be because they've been an unlikable tit. Kenneth's made his bed now he's gotta lie in it.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: Completely concur! :dance2:

[amy-jayne]

Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well She would have to have known that the housemates would have totally understood it was simply a task! Which is what they all expect to do when they go in the house!
Maybe, but its too late now she didnt do the task, so i dont see why theres all this fuss over it... I wasn't aware there was a fuss! Is there then?
Seeing as there are multiple topics mainly about her not taking part in the task, id say there was.

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
Originally posted by Twiggy
Originally posted by amy-jayne
She didn't want to target Noirin either because shes not the type of person that could act friendly to people whilst trying to get them up for eviction behind their back, other people might be okay with backstabbing to save their own necks, but Bea clearly isn't.And yet she DID backstab all the other new housemates.:rolleyes: How did she? She didnt want to do the task, she said from the start.
By telling all the other housemates that she was a goody two shoes who didn't want to do the task while the others all wanted to do it. None of them were really happy about it, but good on them for wanting to give it a go.
Yeah they wanted to do it, to save their own skin (which yes, was what the task was all about), Bea didn't want to do it, and told them she didn't take part, so Halfwit didn't think she had been scheming behind his back. Ah well She would have to have known that the housemates would have totally understood it was simply a task! Which is what they all expect to do when they go in the house!
Maybe, but its too late now she didnt do the task, so i dont see why theres all this fuss over it... I wasn't aware there was a fuss! Is there then?
Seeing as there are multiple topics mainly about her not taking part in the task, id say there was. OH!!!:spin2:And there was I thinking people were having a discussion!:puzzled:

[nicclan]

I really think the tree hugging hippy facade has very quickly been dropped! She knew what buttons to press with Kenny and kept making little comments that she knew would wind him up. I'm not condoning his behaviour but when he tried to explain and apologise, she was really hard nosed and wouldn't even look at him.

Then to top it all off, blatently trying to turn the housemates against Kenny & Tom by saying they were the ones pressurising her to get Halfwit up....... She is one sneaky cow!

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by nicclan
I really think the tree hugging hippy facade has very quickly been dropped! She knew what buttons to press with Kenny and kept making little comments that she knew would wind him up. I'm not condoning his behaviour but when he tried to explain and apologise, she was really hard nosed and wouldn't even look at him.

Then to top it all off, blatently trying to turn the housemates against Kenny & Tom by saying they were the ones pressurising her to get Halfwit up....... She is one sneaky cow! Thanks for putting so well what I have been trying to say all along. :thumbs:

[loomy]

The hm refused to nominate and purposely talked about nominations because of the secret task and the fact that they were not allowed to nominate new hm. If Bea cared so much, why did she not tell them what the secret task was before effectively allowing them all to commit suicide?