Exactly why i’m against transsexual women competing against real women in sports.

And just like that, domestic abuse against men is solved!

India identified as woman her whole life... but didn't have the means to make that transition, nor the societal backing, till later in life.
India is a woman. This is why being referred to as him or he is grating to her.

Honestly though Vicky.. I have read enough of you transphobic views to know there is no point in discussing this with you. But India is a woman. She went into the house as a woman. Is she a bit of a part with issues... yes... as are most CBB contestants. But she is a woman.

I know a lot of people say 'transwomen are women'. I would genuinely love to hear an explanation of what a woman is, if it includes transwomen.

I don't understand what on earth is so wrong about saying as transwoman is a transwoman. Why must a transwoman be an actual woman. Trans is a large part of who they are, why the need to erase this? I would actually say this whole 'transwoman are women' thing is transphobic as it is making out that trans is something that needs to be hidden..like a dirty little secret!

Again, what is your definition of a woman if it is not adult human female? Words need to actually mean something :laugh:

And thank you. Transphobia is such a meaningless term these days anyway. I take that as a compliment.

Usually because they are too nice to hit back and defend themselves. The women know that and are cowards. But the amount of men killed through domestic violence bears no resemblance to that of female victims of domestic violence. Going off point a bit though aren’t we.

I guess I prioritise the mind they have today over the genitals they had at birth, I'm guessing you don't. India is a woman, and she knows this, and thats good enough for me.

So what is a woman then?

Proves that strength isn’t only physical then really doesn’t it

Where did you do your research into this?

A person that considers themselves female. I think you're overthinking it (more than me anyway), its quite a simple thing for me.

Edit: I suppose woman/man only applies to adults, boys/girls before then.

That considers themselves?

So if I consider myself a woman right now then I am?

This is generally false. Most of mens strength comes from testosterone. Transwomen who are on estrogen will therefor not have as much testosterone in their bodies so they will not be as strong as an average man. of course theres bone structure and muscle mass and such also, but broadly speaking, lowering ones testosterone makes one weaker. hence men being (as a group, not individually) stronger than women to start with.

If you want to live as a female because you consider yourself to be one then yes.. i feel like you dont actually though, and this is all a metaphorical 'HA LOOPHOLE' typed thing.

The stats on female victims are pretty well known. If as many men were being killed at the hands of their female partners we would know about it. Please don’t try to undermine the seriousness of domestic violence to try and prove a point on transgenders - it’s inappropriate and I have no intention of biting any further.

No. It's spelling out what you just said.

I could want to live life as a pet dog. That doesn't make me a pet dog unless I make the steps to become a dog.

(Yes I'm aware they haven't perfected Species Reassignment Surgery)

What is 'living as a female'? Following stereotypes?

That’s true.That’s why steroids work.When i was younger I actually tried them and increased my bench press by 30kg.They work.

Edited to add:Trans women will still have more muscle mass though and will be stronger.

I think Livia was quite clear with her first response.

Fair point I guess - but they are still stronger than biological women.

Biting? We're having a discussion. If that offends you then feel free to leave.

I was referring more to you seemingly confirming that most male victims of domestic violence are only so because they're too polite to hit back as opposed to being an actual victim from someone abusing their mentally and maybe physically weaker partner.

Yes.Still more muscle mass

Oh yes, definitely. On an overall level, its silly to get into this 'this woman may be stronger than this man' as obviously there are outliers to all groups.

Not pretty. Only disturbing.

Whatever each individual wants it to be, India clearly wants to be a female, clearly believes that she is, from my perspective that makes her a woman... and Luke A is a man.. but they are also a transwoman and transman from my perspective too.

For me, it is more to do with their brain, and less to do with their genitals, and thats the definition that I use.