Please read what I said " or has the means to do so" don't change my wording or meaning

Thats not what the question asked though.

but at its fundamental level, its still biology, as it is biology and chemistry that dictate the operation of the brain. You receive a particular stimuli and your body's biology shapes its reaction to that stimuli across the extent of your body including your brain.

Exactly !

Read what he said. Some women do not have the means to do so.

Yes, and some women do NOT have the means to do so. There are a plethora of ailments, illnesses and disabilities that take away those means, so are they not real women?

Yes, tis not me you need to be arguing with about brain sex. I think brain sex is a load of bollocks and given how much money and time has been thrown at studying it there would have been some kind of proof by now if it existed :p

I also think woman is an adult human female, and man is an adult human male.

And that transwomen are transwomen, not women. And transmen are transmen, not men.

I just try and understand when the conversations actually happen, as generally if you ask questions someone just screams 'transphobe' and runs away. Withano and me are always polar opposites on this, but seem to be able to talk about it without resorting to insults. Same with jamie876 (or whatever the numbers are). Makes no sense to be trying to shut down conversations with 'you are a bigot' as happens on near every other site (bar mumsnet) when it IS a quite fascinating topic that should be discussed. The ridiculous 'nodebate' hashtag surrounding this issue is just that...ridiculous and backwards.

They are born women,very rarely a woman can be born without a womb, but she has everything else to make a baby, India will NEVER have what it takes so therefore will never be a woman

Yes very rarely but women with wombs can be infertile and born so.

Infertile women are still of the sex that has the potential to bear children. Infertile men are still of the sex that have the potential to sire children. Is surely the easy way of putting this?!

You've got such a bizarre view as to what makes a woman though. According to you, it's nothing to do with chromosomes, or oestrogen, or technicalities, it's literally whether they're a child producing factory. What a depressing outlook on your own gender.

They usually have a womb and a uterus. A transgender does not.

So when a woman has her womb removed? It takes away her womanlyness?

Being infertile doesn't stop you been a full woman, what a cruel thing to say :umm2:

You literally said that though

A gender India will never be part of

I said not all women are born with the means to have children?

What you just said was stated in your post pet.

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It's literally what you just said, so yeah, it was cruel.

And you have the deciding vote on that do you? Newsflash: you don't. Fortunately, there are people in the world who are a LOT more progressive than you. You've literally said in this thread that if you don't have a womb or a uterus, you're not a woman. Do you really think you're the best person to decide what constitutes a woman? :umm2:

What is born woman though... especially in the case of looks and feels like a woman but has no womb. You are putting your own bias parameters on gender.

It genetic... yes. But chromosomal differences are appearing all the time. Some people are born with both types of sexual organs. It's chemical... some bodies make or are exposed to different variations of hormones that in higher or lower amounts make your sexuality differ. It's mental... it's emotional. How can anyone at this point say that you are born boy so you are boy. We all know so much more know scientifically and psychologically that this isn't the case. Just because you are in denial that the world isn't black and white and put into boxes the way your generation set it up... where being who you were was a crime for hundreds if thousands of people... doesn't make you rt.

I would yes if they had everything changed.

with respect, she is in a far better position to say what constitutes a woman than you are, and its very telling that peoples words are being twisted on this thread to try and make them look bad when they just disagree with the concept of a trans woman being the same as a biological woman etc.

Not when her views are that a woman is only a woman when she's popping out kids. Surely even other women would find that offensive?

"My biased perimeters" get a grip love, Im stating facts , A woman is born a woman ,a man is born a man, and this is how it will stay until science comes up with the reproductive capabilities needed for both sexes

Is she though?
Does being a woman automatically make you in a better constitution to judge other women. I disagree strongly with this logic