By the whole invasion thingy. It wasn't just our troops, and they didn't specifically go round knocking on doors to ask if anyone wanted to be murdered that evening.

When the coalition bomb highly populated cities to dust, then unfortunately people get caught in that.

what about the widows of the 100s of thousands who died out there, figures you wrongly disputed. You also preach about the violence out there in the middle east, why don't you preach the same against Israeli brutality?

dont be saying by our troops then if it isnt just our troops ffs.

This is the post I made which obviously stirred your ire:

I apologise. When I typed that out it seemed pretty clear to me I was talking in very general terms about the middle-eastern wars. As we have been in a coalition for the last 12 years, I just assumed that people would know enough already without me having to remind them of that fact.

In future, I will factor in that some people might mistakenly think that we were/are the only country fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What about them? You think their grief diminishes mine?

The fact that I am a Jew means I should be the spokesperson for Israel? We're not talking about Israel and I am not an Israeli.

Try to leave me alone. I'll do the same for you.

just try and use the word we a little more appropriatly.

This has gotten a bit dark.....

There is no other way I could have used it when talking about those wars. We were/are part of a coalition. My grammar was perfectly acceptable in the original post.

to dust!...it looked more like precision air strikes on my telly..another exageration lol..

I don't even know where to begin with that, Parm.

I think I'll just say that you're right - shock and awe was all precision based bombing of specific targets, and modern bombs are no match for Iraqi architecture.

Come on, you are exaggerating by saying large cities were reduced to rubble..you should change your name to walter mitty, mate.

Again, you're completely right. I changed my username recently, but when I've had a bit more time with this one, then I'll definitely look into it, and take your suggestions on board.

we are on topic Niamh, it's where the hatred of Ron's comments eminate from..that fact that the UK and other countries are regularly destroying Muslim countries almost daily..and commiting such war crimes they can't even be printed...

and those same british soldiers come home and expect to be treated as some kind of heroes?!?!?!?!

Look what they did to that iraqi hotel receptionist...an innocent family man trying to earn a living..dragged from his workplace, locked in a dungeon and then recieved 90 different injuries before dying the most horrific death..

he was put on the floor and kicked to death like an animal...google 'baha mousa' and you will see what state he died in..the photo makes me cry even now seeing him holding his child and wife and the next, covered in blood and dead.

the british soldiers responsible were never convicted for this...

see how brave these british soldiers are..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Baha_Mousa

Yes, I meant to stop the arguing Brucie

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

I think he's nice and is slowly coming out of his shell. I hope he stays.

I think the OP made a really interesting thread as we can see, look how long this thread has gotten. It's pretty silly to think that this topic wouldn't be discussed since it's the reason Ron got fired or had to retire early or whatever

It was a huge deal at the time, it was always going to come up at some point so the fact that it happened years ago really has no bearing, in my opinion. I think Ron was a legend in his day as a manager but the fact remains he did what he did and there will always be strong feelings about it He certainly wouldn't have been asked to do Celebrity Big Brother without that particular point of notoriety I can't imagine - nor would he have entertained it if his career hadn't been so irrevocably damaged.

As always ,the voice of common sense

No, because that would have meant a new account, which would have resulted in a permabanning of the multi. You are a silly Billy.

I was Jesus.H.Christ, but I shortened it. I wanted it to be simply "Jesus", but unfortunately there was already someone else with "jesus". Even though there isn't any capitalisation, TIBB doesn't allow that, so I was changed to "Jesus.".

Since then I've come love that dot like a brother.

I hope that's answered your question.

YES THANKS.

However, I could still do with some legal documentation regarding those numbers you posted earlier.

No rush, i'm finishing work now and wont be back on until nine tomorrow..so before then will do..have a nice night.

I just need to understand what exactly you mean by "legal documentation". Because if I provide you with information from the least biased sources, and documents leaked via wikileaks, and then you turn round and say "well, how many of those are because of English soldiers?" or "well David Cameron didn't sign that page, so it's meaningless", then what's the point.

I'd also like to know what exactly you will do if I provide you with the information you want? You've been an arse all day, so I'm 99% sure you won't turn around and say "do you know what Jesus (currently with a dot, but formerly of .H.Christ fame).? I've learned something today, so thank you.

If I provide what you've asked for, you'll just jump on something else. Be it my name, calling me a ****** again, like earlier, or just some other thing.

Answer those points, and if your answers are satisfactory to me, then I will proceed. If not, I won't.

It was all dying down, until he dropped the clanger about the turban/bomb. Frankly it says so much about how poor the series has been so far that the main talking point has been Ron and his views on race.