[rquote=2562236&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562230&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562220&tid=147382&author=nut]is david beckham exploiting his fans that buy is sh*t? eg a david beckham football top £50 no under cutting thats the price you pay- full stop!

marcus akin put's somthing on ebay for 99 *******ing pence! marcus does not know what its worth or how much it is going to fetch does he? he might have made sod all for all he knew? at the end of the day it's up to the person who wants it the most, no one is saying you have to bid on it are they? so how the ******* is it exploiting anyone? they know what they are getting if they want to pay that for somthing then that up to them.

I and every *******er on this forum would do the same! If i could get a £1,000 for a toy key or a pice of paper then i and anyone else would do the same any ******* that say's otherwise is talking through they'er arse! OP you fail exploitation FFS you need to look the definition up for Exploiting PMSL i cant belive i read the OP's post what a load of boll*cks! it is so sad it's *******ing laughable ROFL, we know you hate marcus, but come on FFS you are just being a dick head now[/rquote]

You see... it becomes exploitation when you are taking someone's hard earned cash for something that it isn't even worth.

And when you say everybody in this forum would do the same, you are wrong. I wouldn't... oh sorry, you said every ****er would do the same... well maybe every ****er would but I'm not a ****er.

Speak for yourself.

Also, you start at the lowest price going to get the biggest return, since ebay fees go by the selling rate. It was advertised via Marcus fans which he exploits since they're fairly sad and pathetic admiring him. I think he knows that. He's a sad loser with no money and he needs to take advantage of people who only like him because they disliked Sree for liking Noirin and Lisa for being friends with Noirin and it was his pathetic obsessive self since he can't get a shag, that got him all loser like with Noirin.

So they are admiring somebody because he can't get a woman.[/rquote]you talk rubbish if you could sell a pice of A4 paper on ebay for £50 no braking the law you are telling me you would not do it? i tell you now 100% yes you would and if you did not then you are a bigger fool than i thought.[/rquote]

What car would I be driving if I were to brake the law?

P.S. I am NOT a "Marcus fan"

[rquote=2562238&tid=147382&author=shaz20][rquote=2562183&tid=147382&author=VickyJ]I dont get why you have a problem with it.

His fans asked him to do it, he did it, they are now bidding for worthless stuff.

Simple as. They asked, and got what they asked for.[/rquote]
This :thumbs: Massive you have a massive problem with Marcus.
His fans don't, they want this stuff, they are willing to pay for it. If they thought they were being exploited the stuff would sit there on e bay unsold, simple as![/rquote]

You don't know if you're being exploited if you are.

I don't have a massive problem with him? That's not fair.

What if I said you have a massive problem in accepting that people have an opinion on the show?

Well?

[rquote=2562233&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562232&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562199&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562195&tid=147382&author=setanta]Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here. [/rquote]

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...[/rquote]david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?[/rquote]

Horses for courses but if you do the maths - David Beckham is far more value for money in terms of market return as he entertains billions around the world.

Marcus entertains 20 people on DS.[/rquote]well there you go then a few K for a toy key and a signed letter that some of his 23,000 fans on twitter asked him for is a small price to pay! the same as DB gets millions for entertaining the masses around the world good for him! the world still turns its not exploitation.

marcus was asked and is still being asked to put things on ebay so that his fans can bid on.

have you ever bought a DVD or CD? or a poster? millions around the world do every day some or all that money goes to the performer of the film, cd or poster marcus is a performer if he was not do you think he could sell a toy key or a pice of paper for 1,000s if he was just some bloke off the street? he spent 13 weeks with millions whatching him he entertained people like him or hate him he is doing nothing wrong or different to any other famous person making money from his fame

please look up the definition exploiting :rolleyes:

[rquote=2562255&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562233&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562232&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562199&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562195&tid=147382&author=setanta]Personally, I have no sympathy for anyone who's willing to pay that kinda money for a piece of worthless junk; it's hardly a good investment is it? It can be argued that Marcus is exploiting the public to a certain extent but in a capitalistic society isn't that something to be pursued? I don't see anything different to what he's doing than many companies or persons do when they want to reap the maximum returns possible on any event or product, the product this time being Marcus who'll inevitably have a short life span in the public realm anyway and he might as well get some extra cash while he's around.

One thing though: did he earn anything off Big Brother for the three months he spent in that house and while there's people out there who'll pay, shouldn't he be allowed to make a little while he can? I mean if you're willing to point a finger at him and his code of ethics I think there's bigger fish to fry in today's society. I think we should cut him some slack here. [/rquote]

I think they get 30 quid a day and he was in there for like 90 days so he probably got 2700 quid when he left the house.


If you think about it... it's not that bad is it. You get board, food - it's fairly boring but 2700 quid for 90 days

Well 210 pound a week and bills and such are paid for...[/rquote]david beckham gets £100,000+ for 90minutes on a football pitch your point is? they are both entertainers you pay to watch or you dont its up to you! is david beckham entitled to more money than marcus akin when both of them are in the public eye? when someone is famous thats what happens people pay good money for them they become a brand, its the perks of the job of being famous eg they can sell thing for a higher price than what you or i can it all to do with marketing DB might wear adidas boots, adidas will give DB £5 million a year they think he is worth it is DB exploiting adidas?[/rquote]

Horses for courses but if you do the maths - David Beckham is far more value for money in terms of market return as he entertains billions around the world.

Marcus entertains 20 people on DS.[/rquote]well there you go then a few K for a toy key and a signed letter that some of his 23,000 fans on twitter asked him for is a small price to pay! the same as DB gets millions for entertaining the masses around the world good for him! the world still turns its not exploitation.

marcus was asked and is still being asked to put things on ebay so that his fans can bid on.

have you ever bought a DVD or CD? or a poster? millions around the world do every day some or all that money goes to the performer of the film, cd or poster marcus is a performer if he was not do you think he could sell a toy key or a pice of paper for 1,000s if he was just some bloke off the street? he spent 13 weeks with millions whatching him he entertained people like him or hate him he is doing nothing wrong or different to any other famous person making money from his fame

please look up the definition exploiting :rolleyes:[/rquote]

You seem to ignore what is being said.

Others, film makers, artists, actors - actually give something worth the product. You get the film and you pay for about 1000 people who made the film? Yes - do you comprehend that or do you just like to make innacurate sweeping statements?

Marcus, yes - is selling a pile of junk, something that is worth about a pound... for over 1000 pounds. People are buying it because they think Marcus is special and like some cult guru. They have applied a glittering, fake, glamorous persona on him.

You, laughably, compare him to David Beckham who is one of the greatest footballers to have ever adorned this planet. David Beckham (as you so ridiculously state "there you go") entertains billions around the world. Regularly... he is a market driven brand.

Marcus... is selling one object to one person only. Only one person can gain this product. Yes? Do you understand?

The exploitation is - it is worth nothing. It isn't worth the entertainment value that David Beckham or Film makers give. Is that understandable... yes?

Let me paint a better picture. Like exploiting child labour. Basically, a child in slave labour makes about 20 quid a month for something sold for far more? OK? Marcus is doing the same... he is exploiting something that is fashioned from Lisa, Sree - because he fancied Noirin... people admire him because they hate somebody else.

He swears... wow... but that's not the reason. It is a amplified view of somebody he is not. He lost at arm wrestling against Tom. He is not strong - he got beaten at that as well... He is not what he seems. The basis is if you have a brain, if you can understand this - he is not what he seems. It is a fabrication that you have to be "exploited" operative word, exploited - to buy into the illusion - you have to be delusional to buy into it.

You just shout, scream, post badly written posts with bad spelling and talk about exploitation like you really have a hold on to it.

Do you know actual artists give away stuff to fans all the time. They send letters to fans all the time. Do you know how much they do it for? They do it for free.

Do you understand the exploitation now?

Here is the definition, personally, for you.

verb

1. To put into action or use: actuate, apply, employ, exercise, implement, practice, use, utilize. Idioms: avail oneself of, bring into play, bring to bear, make use of, put into practice, put to use. See used/unused.
2. To take advantage of unfairly: abuse, impose, presume, use. See treat well/treat badly/treat.
3. To control to one's own advantage by artful or indirect means: maneuver, manipulate, play. See control/uncontrol, straight/bent.


He is manipulateing. He is abusing the position that somebody else has given to him. Do you understand that? Is that comprehensible to you?

I doubt it. You're so far up his arse... I doubt there is any possibility you can tell right from wrong.

The only people who have given him the position are the BB producers.

Most BB housemates do the same thing, angel sold her eviction outfit, and lots of others have sold pretty worthless stuff for more than it is worth. Why only say marcus is exploiting the public?

Oh, I forgot, because you dont like him :rolleyes:

If people are prepared to pay it, people will sell.

Im sure if I could sell a piece of paper for 50 quid, I'd be doing it too.

While people will pay it, it will happen. Hes exploiting noone. His fans want it. They even asked him to do it.

[rquote=2562282&tid=147382&author=VickyJ]The only people who have given him the position are the BB producers.

Most BB housemates do the same thing, angel sold her eviction outfit, and lots of others have sold pretty worthless stuff for more than it is worth. Why only say marcus is exploiting the public?

Oh, I forgot, because you dont like him :rolleyes:

If people are prepared to pay it, people will sell.

Im sure if I could sell a piece of paper for 50 quid, I'd be doing it too.

While people will pay it, it will happen. Hes exploiting noone. His fans want it. They even asked him to do it.[/rquote]

I would never ever, sell a piece of paper for 50 pounds to somebody who has a vested interest in me. It think it's despicable, opportunist and ultimately - expoitive as well.

So let me get this right, you guys are saying that people who are interested in you, you'll exploit, without thinking about it and just let them part their hard earned cash because they have this bizarre fascination with you that has no logical or rational merit.

Well good for you man.

What I grasp here is, it's like some us and them mentality for some. Just because they fancy and admire a housemate, they think others are haters.

We all watch the show - in this case some of us are shocked and laughing at the behaviour of not only housemates but fans of housemates.

We are the objective sideliners - whether you like it or not.

He isnt charging the price in either of his sales, that is being driven by people who want the items he is selling as memorabilia. People often pay silly money for complete tat. Look at what one person calls art another will call rubbish, Tracey Emin and Damien Hirsts work springs to mind. Autographed photographs etc sell for, in some peoples opinions, silly money.

Is it right celebrities have charged money for exclusive picture rights to their weddings etc?

You are assuming that Marcus is looking to make profit out of the items, what is he going to use the money realised in the sales for? Do you know?

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion of Marcus putting these items up for sale, would your opinion be the same should Sophie, if she gets another breast augmentation surgery, put her inserts up for sale on ebay? Or is this post simply about your need to criticise Marcus and his fans?

[rquote=2562288&tid=147382&author=Shasown]He isnt charging the price in either of his sales, that is being driven by people who want the items he is selling as memorabilia. People often pay silly money for complete tat. Look at what one person calls art another will call rubbish, Tracey Emin and Damien Hirsts work springs to mind. Autographed photographs etc sell for, in some peoples opinions, silly money.

Is it right celebrities have charged money for exclusive picture rights to their weddings etc?

You are assuming that Marcus is looking to make profit out of the items, what is he going to use the money realised in the sales for? Do you know?

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion of Marcus putting these items up for sale, would your opinion be the same should Sophie, if she gets another breast augmentation surgery, put her inserts up for sale on ebay? Or is this post simply about your need to criticise Marcus and his fans?[/rquote]

No housemate is immune from my criticism.

Those desperate for attention because Mommy didn't give it are far easier targets.

I have a question for you.

If someone was willing to pay you thousands of dollars and all you have to do is write a letter of any kind.

Would you do it?

@ massive truck i can be arsed to read all through what you typed i just give you what i think about from the 1st few lines i read.

Marcus spent 13 weeks on a TV show for how much money did you say? £30 per day? 90 days x 24 hours = 2160 hours worth of work. £30 per day x 90 days = £2700 work that out per hour?? that's £1.25p per hour whos exploiting who here? BB make millions off the likes of marcus who was up for eviction 7-8 times BB pay marcus £1.25p per hour cut the man a bit of slack if he wants to sell some stuff on ebay and make a few k then why shouldent he? even if its cr*p and worth £1 if someone wants to give marcus £1000 for it then whats the problem? you dont want it you dont have to bid on it i dont get where your coming from its not exploiting anyone he as not said the key is made of gold he said its a BB jail key prop and start bids at 99p because its not worth £1,000 to you does not mean its not worth a £1,000 to some fan of marcus, are you saying marcus should not have any fans? it up to them what they want to spend it on not you.

and as for music cd's and the band/ singer deserves the money? yes they do even though the CD costs a few pence to make yet the mark it up 10,000% to what it costs to make is that exploiting people as well?

marcus spent 13 weeks in a house entertaining people for £1.25p per hour where his boss made millions off his and his HM's back's good luck to him i hope he makes as much as he can if his fans are happy paying for it then thats up to them they know its rubbish! marcus as said what it is how is it exploiting people?

Jealousy is a bitch aint it?

I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think so

They aren't being forced so no they aren't exploited. But they are idiotic for buying a piece of paper from a nobody

Massive whynot start your anti exploitation campaign with these?

http://www.conranshop.co.uk/ProductD...xtcam=ppc_goog

[rquote=2562328&tid=147382&author=Niamhxo]I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think so[/rquote]I would not say idiots id say someone must be very well off if they can afford to spend that kind of money on junk im not short of a few ££££ but even i could not afford to pay that kind of money for it, then again im not mega rich a few £1,000 to some people 1/2 hours work. i would not call them idiots if they want it they will get it money is not a problem if some nutter spent his/her last £1,000 then they are *******ing idiots:laugh2:

[rquote=2562342&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562328&tid=147382&author=Niamhxo]I blame the idiots who pay for it, something is only worth what a person will pay. It's the same as someone going on ebay and selling a famous persons autgraph really, is that exploitation?? I don't think so[/rquote]I would not say idiots id say someone must be very well off if they can afford to spend that kind of money on junk im not short of a few ££££ but even i could not afford to pay that kind of money for it, then again im not mega rich a few £1,000 to some people 1/2 hours work. i would not call them idiots if they want it they will get it money is not a problem if some nutter spent his/her last £1,000 then they are *******ing idiots:laugh2:[/rquote]


Fair enough, I'll withdraw my idiots statement, I personally wouldn't pay a penny for somebody, I don't care who they are, to write a few swear words on a page anyway!!

[rquote=2562331&tid=147382&author=Tom]They aren't being forced so no they aren't exploited. But they are idiotic for buying a piece of paper from a nobody

[/rquote]hes got a cult following on twitter alone he as over 23,000 people following him thats more than anyother BB contestant he is somebody with that amount of followers

I don't know about exploitation, because it's up to the suckers if they wanna buy his trash.

One thing I do know is that he should be looked into for selling a Channel 4 prop. That to me is theft, unless BB give him the key which I find highly unlikely.

He probably stole it before he was evicted. The thief.

[rquote=2562172&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562168&tid=147382&author=VickyJ]If there is a demand for that kind of thing, why shouldnt he meet it?

They want to pay daft money for pieces of paper, let them. Apparently he has even been asked by some to put them up.

Thats kind of like saying people who make and sell anything are exploiting their customers.[/rquote]

But if I buy a TV, I can get a multitude of things from it. I can watch DVDs, Satellite, Cable, play games on it or watch conventional TV.

The basis of the exploitation is selling something above cost because people have got nothing better to do than to admire a loser from TV - now this is the exploitation. He knows he's nothing special but people place ridiculous emphasis on him that has no relevance to use.

What do you do with that key or paper? Show it to friends or basically what?

It has no real monetary value in years to come. The key can be fashioned at home and the abusive letter... bloody hell. But he knows it's worth cr*p and it will be wasted on a subscription to Television X.[/rquote]

Seems likely he is selling it now whilst his name is still in the public eye - as he realizes it is unlikely to be for very long! A couple of months down the line - probably won't be many interested in buying!

[rquote=2562416&tid=147382&author=eye sea]I don't know about exploitation, because it's up to the suckers if they wanna buy his trash.

One thing I do know is that he should be looked into for selling a Channel 4 prop. That to me is theft, unless BB give him the key which I find highly unlikely.

He probably stole it before he was evicted. The thief.[/rquote]

I am sure by now BB is aware of its sale, you could however to be sure, email them and let them know or indeed ask them to confirm your assertion he is a thief.

If they were that concerned about it they could have the item removed from ebay, inform the police about its theft, ask Marcus to donate any profit from it to a charity or simply ask for the item to be returned.

[rquote=2562325&tid=147382&author=Shasown]Jealousy is a bitch aint it?[/rquote]

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.

[rquote=2562786&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562325&tid=147382&author=Shasown]Jealousy is a bitch aint it?[/rquote]

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.[/rquote]how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

No.

He should have won the 70K anyway, as he provided half the entertainment on the show. The show is willing to pay £70K for a HM to win. So within that context, what is wrong with Marcus, who should have won in terms of entertainment, making a few quid out of his BB performance?

Case closed.

[rquote=2562968&tid=147382&author=nut][rquote=2562786&tid=147382&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2562325&tid=147382&author=Shasown]Jealousy is a bitch aint it?[/rquote]

Yeah that's right. The world is jealous of somebody who lives with his mum, struggles with girls, hasn't got a job, is short, is not attractive, has to sell things online by exploiting his fans...

Yes, in Marcus Fan land - it's jealousy... back to reality for the rest of us. Oh hail Jesus, Lord God and all that is pure - back to reality.

Thank You.[/rquote]how do you know he struggles with girls? he said before he went on BB that girls love him he is over confident if anything just look at the amount of women who are begging him to marry them or take them out on a date! some of them are very good looking just follow him on twitter and you will see.

his mother lives in his house "HIS HOUSE" not hers HIS he payed for it some how? thats right he lives in London and is a window fitter up untill he went in to the BB house

he is not exploiting his fans they want to buy the things he is selling and are begging him to post them on ebay!

as i have said he has plenty of women after him so being short and ugly as you put it, is not a problem to him and pulling women they are throwing them self at him

so yes i would say you are jealous! because you have none of what he has and all you can do is talk about him 1st sign of jealousy or envy and you show them all >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy[/rquote]

Some women will throw themselves at anything that has been on tv - or achieved some kind of notoriety - for whatever reason! Ffs some women write to serial killers and propose marriage! That doesn't mean a thing!