[rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!!

[rquote=2564108&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564099&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564076&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]So therefore, you admit that the show was bias?[/rquote]

No no; I just think the show is covering it's own ass. Don't you remember all the sh£t they went through with the various bullying and racist incidents that have occurred in the past? Sure Davina mentioned in an article recently that more demands and restrictions have been placed on them over the last couple of years so that might explain why they want to bury this whole incident.[/rquote]

Yes, but BB is a social study really, it's a real life "Lord of the Flies" experiance, there is naturally going to be bullys invloved in that type of set up so Channel 4 should have been more set up and prepared for it![/rquote]

I agree but they do have a history concerning this subject that they would really like to forget, especially when you consider Jade Goody's fate etc. It's obviously a touchy issue for the show and further restrictions and monitoring have been in place recently. Honestly, I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't want to highlight Lisa right now, can you? Kinda makes sense to evade it.

Yes but, it just feels so unfair then when all the other "baddies" had a hard time and not them! Oh well, such is life!! we shall move on and there's always BB10!! LOL!!!

[rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.

I must admit, went abit off Siavash when he said 'Bea is misjudged'.
Misjudged my a$$! He is really trying to play the nice guy now,
maybe to stay in the limelight?

Anyway, I would hav emoved him down to 'like' if this sort of thing occured in the house,
but i did love him as a character whilst in there, but now he seems abit fake.

Anyway, glad to see Freddie & Marcus and Roddy & Sophie continue their relationship as buddies :thumbs:

[rquote=2564128&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.[/rquote]

Yeah, and using Jade Goody as an example, I know she's dead and it's unpopular to be mean to her but I'm not really trying to be mean, she was racist, you cant give a bad edit to someone who was actually being racist, can you?? and, also, she definately was being a bully as well

[rquote=2564134&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564128&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.[/rquote]

Yeah, and using Jade Goody as an example, I know she's dead and it's unpopular to be mean to her but I'm not really trying to be mean, she was racist, you cant give a bad edit to someone who was actually being racist, can you?? and, also, she definately was being a bully as well[/rquote]

Do you two not remember the article in the paper where Davina spoke about how they're basically in shackles at the moment through all the demands that have been placed on them recently? That the have to adhere to a certain set of restrictions ..... I actually can't remember the word she used for restrictions and demands (it was a good one too!). But yeah, I think they're just trying to avoid any controversy.

I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point.

They, as in Channel4/Big Brother? OK, but I still cant see where the line was drawn and it was OK to crucifie Bea but completly justify Lisas behaviour??

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

YAY!! Nolasgirl is definately my BB twin tonight!

[rquote=2564155&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]They, as in Channel4/Big Brother? OK, but I still cant see where the line was drawn and it was OK to crucifie Bea but completly justify Lisas behaviour??[/rquote]

This was the original point- if they were trying to evade the issue entirely they wouldn't have addressed Bea's behaviour at all. Just playing devils advocate. I know that to an extent what you're saying setanta is v much the case, but doesn't explain the inconsistent treatment of ex-housemates

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

They did intervene - Lisa got two warnings apparently.

The 'B' word was mentioned on Freddie's eviction (BBBM) a few times. But was never mentioned on Lisa's eviction. I think it was a production protection thing, but more to quell the off-chance that Lisa could kick off - she actually almost did with McCririck when he told her some home truths

[rquote=2564176&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.



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It's a good point. LF takes so much power away from the viewer. But the clips we saw were pretty awful, and the Marcus-Lisa row was quite telling in that Marcus kept calling her a 'bully' and then said to Freddie 'I'm not trying to protect you Freddie, you can fight your own corner, this is about me and her' - or something like that. So it definitely was an issue even for them as HMs, and a vibe that could be seen from within the house, I think.

[rquote=2564185&tid=147469&author=J-Rock][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

They did intervene - Lisa got two warnings apparently.

The 'B' word was mentioned on Freddie's eviction (BBBM) a few times. But was never mentioned on Lisa's eviction. I think it was a production protection thing, but more to quell the off-chance that Lisa could kick off - she actually almost did with McCririck when he told her some home truths
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Well, you hit the nail on the head ther, she got 2 warnings but absolutely nothing was mentioned to her on her eviction or any other time since, for fear of upsetting her, I reckon!

[rquote=2564169&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564155&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]They, as in Channel4/Big Brother? OK, but I still cant see where the line was drawn and it was OK to crucifie Bea but completly justify Lisas behaviour??[/rquote]

This was the original point- if they were trying to evade the issue entirely they wouldn't have addressed Bea's behaviour at all. Just playing devils advocate. I know that to an extent what you're saying setanta is v much the case, but doesn't explain the inconsistent treatment of ex-housemates[/rquote]

High five Nolasgirl!!! You seem to have exactly my mindset tonight!

[rquote=2564194&tid=147469&author=J-Rock][rquote=2564176&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.



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It's a good point. LF takes so much power away from the viewer. But the clips we saw were pretty awful, and the Marcus-Lisa row was quite telling in that Marcus kept calling her a 'bully' and then said to Freddie 'I'm not trying to protect you Freddie, you can fight your own corner, this is about me and her' - or something like that. So it definitely was an issue even for them as HMs, and a vibe that could be seen from within the house, I think.
[/rquote]

Oh, don't be thinking for one minute that I'm trying to defend Lisa's actions here-just wondering if the producers may have manipulated us somewhat. Very, very easy to do with the right kinda editing.

[rquote=2564208&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564194&tid=147469&author=J-Rock][rquote=2564176&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.



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It's a good point. LF takes so much power away from the viewer. But the clips we saw were pretty awful, and the Marcus-Lisa row was quite telling in that Marcus kept calling her a 'bully' and then said to Freddie 'I'm not trying to protect you Freddie, you can fight your own corner, this is about me and her' - or something like that. So it definitely was an issue even for them as HMs, and a vibe that could be seen from within the house, I think.
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Oh, don't be thinking for one minute that I'm trying to defend Lisa's actions here-just wondering if the producers may have manipulated us somewhat. Very, very easy to do with the right kinda editing. [/rquote]

Here, Hare, Here, :)

I think so, big style, here we are all similarly viewed people all torn apart by the little things!!! LOL, They did a good job!!

[rquote=2564220&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]I think so, big style, here we are all similarly viewed people all torn apart by the little things!!! LOL, They did a good job!![/rquote]

Ah, I'm just trying to come up with theories for the easy ride Lisa's been given.

She's actually my friend on facebook . Would you believe that Lisa was the reason I started watchin BB this year?? I haven't watched in 2 years but a girl I went to school with started chatting to me on facebook one night and said that her friend Lisa (yea Lisa) was going to be on and I should watch! so out of curiousity, I did!!! I hated Lisa so avoided my school friend on facebook ever since. But Lisa is a friend on facebook now eeek!!

[rquote=2564235&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]She's actually my friend on facebook . Would you believe that Lisa was the reason I started watchin BB this year?? I haven't watched in 2 years but a girl I went to school with started chatting to me on facebook one night and said that her friend Lisa (yea Lisa) was going to be on and I should watch! so out of curiousity, I did!!! I hated Lisa so avoided my school friend on facebook ever since. But Lisa is a friend on facebook now eeek!![/rquote]

Mad question here but do you know if she enjoys smoking a bit of reefer? I honestly think she was in bad form over the first few weeks cuz she was out of her comfort zone and she didn't have her scooby snacks with her. Well, that's my theory anyway! Probably way off.

[rquote=2564255&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564235&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]She's actually my friend on facebook . Would you believe that Lisa was the reason I started watchin BB this year?? I haven't watched in 2 years but a girl I went to school with started chatting to me on facebook one night and said that her friend Lisa (yea Lisa) was going to be on and I should watch! so out of curiousity, I did!!! I hated Lisa so avoided my school friend on facebook ever since. But Lisa is a friend on facebook now eeek!![/rquote]

Mad question here but do you know if she enjoys smoking a bit of reefer? I honestly think she was in bad form over the first few weeks cuz she was out of her comfort zone and she didn't have her scooby snacks with her. Well, that's my theory anyway! Probably way off.[/rquote]

Dunno, cos I never met her but its a distinct possibility!!! lol, might explain a few scenarios!

Fo rme- Freddie came across as someone who would only pick a fight when he had someone in his corner, sort of kid at school who was just behind the main ring leaders, egging 'em on and shouting fight, fight, fight.


Bea wasn't misunderstood.


As for J Goody, if you go to youtube and play the incident back and read most of the comments, you will see that she never, uttered anything racist in the main conflict between her and Shilpa Shetty. I remember watching it at the time and the latter was very irritating and imho milked the situation to the max.


As for Lisa, didn't someone here say that she had a friend high up in the production team, and that is why she was given an easy ride when she came out?

The contrast between Bea's exit and Lisa's was remarkable, both were booed, both had enormous eviction % against them. Yet when Bea was walking down the podium, you could hear Davina say, "nothing but boos" the studio for the first time wasn't filled with friends and relatives and she got the same treatment in there and received a fairly hostile interview.

On the other hand, Lisa arrived in the studio with a fair amount of cheers and just a handful of boos and received a 'kiss ass' interview. She was still shell shocked at all the boos, she had convinced herself that she was liked. Just as she had convinced herself- with her predatory nature- that she had a chance with Karly and Bea.


I better address the main topic- Siavash. I think TC summed him up best, all style and no substance, if there was ever a 'wannabe' here we have it, or him. He needs to find and avenue a vehicle for his fashion talents, open a shop or maybe try and get on one of the lesser tv stations and do the male equivalent that Gok1 does. Other than that, fade back into obscurity. As for him as a person he came across as a thinker, but a large percentage of the time, thought about it and came up with the wrong conclusion. Maybe procrastination should be his middle name.


Did he get the £10k that Sophie promised him?