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I am pretty confident in my way of life to the extent that seing a symbol in the sky does not crush my soul and destroy my sense of identity. I suppose for other people it's different.
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And by the way - 57.5% of the Swiss voters is hardly an 'abnormal' minority! Stop deliberately trying to trivialise how a great many people feel! Those concerns exist for good reasons! Maybe some of the things that the Muslim religion stands for - like its oppressive treatment of women and general disregard for human rights might have something to do with why so many are distrustful and hostile towards them. They need to take some responsibility! And please lets not be so boring and predictable as to play the 'race card' again! Just might make me vomit! |
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Cultural diversity is something that we all have to accept at this point but I actually enjoy visiting unique countries and knowing the historical importance and individuality of each and every state I'm in, with the wide and varied architecture that's found all over the world. I simply look on things like this as somebody asking for planning permission and it not being granted because it might be a permanent eyesore, that will not compliment the buildings already in place. And before you accuse me of racism, which I'm totally against, I just believe that it's a beautiful thing to admire a state for it's rich culture and beauty - I don't want every city looking the fecking same. And Wildcat, if your country is comprised of 95% muslims then of course they should build their places of worship and I would love to visit them myself, but in Switzerland they are about 4% of the population. Prepare for the backlash... brace yourself James. |
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That's a good point actually James, I didn't think of it that way. |
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Oh noes, they might forget they are Swiss! Also, the vast majority of Muslims are not, in fact, terrorists. You ask us not to play the race card, I think it's only fair you don't play the terrorism card. To Setanta : That's a great point you make but I really don't see how it conflicts with Minarets. Swiss culture and Swiss architecture are not going to dissapear just because there are Minarets in the sky FFS! |
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Errrm, 1. there are 3 mosques with minarets in Switzerland. Esthetics? What the hell do 3 mosques a whole coutry have anything to do with aesthetics? 2. the picture, that i posted, was a church, not a mosque, in a 95% Muslim country. And like I said, its the biggest religious building in the country. So waht are you talking about they should build their places of whorship. 3. No one is banning any other ornaments from any other religion. SO this has nothing to do with culture preservation. Its directed strictly at the muslim 4. They didnt ban mosques, they banned the minaret, and thats the whole point of my comparaison to the churches in other muslim countries. People think muslim= the middle east. Well its not. |
Only three? Christ. Unless all the Mosques with Minarets were somehow loaded onto the back of trucks and parked directly outside your hotel window or home in Switzerland - where they would be left parked overnight with Arabic music blaring from soundspeakers mounted onto the back of Camels being manned by Quran touting extremists brandishing scimitars, I really fail to see how it gives the impression that Switzerland is a Muslim country without an identity of it's own.
Again, some people are very, very bored. Mountains out of fucking molehills. |
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About the MInaret, yeah, its just decorative mostly. NO one climbs up there to call for prayer. Prayer is called inside the mosque, except in certain muslim coutries, and thats only some. There are a lot of mosques in the UK, and you will not see anyone call for prayer in those things. |
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It would be a permanent addition to the skyline and as such, I think it's wise to think long and hard on it. I'd fecking hate to see Gaudi buildings all over the world when I associate them with the lovely city of Barcelona. The other thing is that there's only a 4% Muslim population there so I think they just have to accept it and get on with it. Hate when these things are used as an excuse for aggressive stances and reactions. It's just common sense to me. |
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Wildcat is right. It really is just a Muslim thing. Also, I wonder what people make of the image in the first post. You know, the one with the sinister shrouded Muslim against a backdrop of a Swiss flag COVERED in fucking Minarets. Overkill, much? |
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By the way, Spain has a huge influence of Islamic architecture, in most of their bulidings, if you didnt know that. And if you dont know what the Taj Mahal is: http://infinitejest.wallacewiki.com/...s/6/62/Taj.jpg Thank god its not in Switzerland. |
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Hey, and Wildcat is wrong about there only being 3.... there's over 90 now from what I'm reading online. |
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The Taj Mahal has cultural significance in India..... It's been there for over 300 years. You're kinda dull in your condemnation of anyone who likes to have a conversation about these things. Edit: it's almost 400 hundred bloody years old. |
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(RTTNews) - Sunday, Switzerland voted by a clear majority in a referendum banning the construction of minarets on mosques, which right-wing parties regard as symbols of militant Islam--the first country in Europe to vote to curb the religious practices of Muslims. The ban was supported by a majority of 57.5%, 20 percentage points more than predicted in opinion polls in the run-up to the vote. The result, in a country that has only four mosques with minarets and no major problems with Islamist militancy, has taken the Swiss establishment by surprise, which was bracing itself for a backlash in the Middle East. "The federal council (the body that constitutes the federal government) respects this decision," said a government statement Sunday night. "The construction of new minarets in Switzerland is no longer permitted." The unprecedented victory for the right wing extreme nationalist party, Swiss People's Party (SVP), which has campaigned in previous years against immigrants has stirred fears of strife where there was relative peace. The move is also likely to tarnish the country's image abroad, affect investment and trade with the Muslim countries, and derail efforts to integrate a population of some 400,000 Muslims, most of whom are European Muslims--and non-mosque-goers--from the Balkans. It needs to be seen if the result contradicts the Swiss constitution, which protects freedom of religion. The result almost certainly put Switzerland at loggerheads with European Court of Human Rights. The campaign to ban minarets was described by the country's justice minister as a "proxy war" for provoking conflict between ethnic Swiss and Muslim immigrants. The seven-member Cabinet that heads the Swiss government had spoken out strongly against the initiative. http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=113020090015 Oh I am sorry. 4 not 3 Well! Thats me done with this subject! I am not gonna change anything anyways. |
No 90 Mosques so I don't know why you're getting your knickers in a twist over minarets when they're obviously not crucial to the general look of these places of worship.
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Yes they have Not Banned Muslims the good thing here is the public could vote. This is the way forward |
lol at everyone getting their "outrage knickers" in a twist yet no one knows what the flick they are on about.
I think it would help to have some backstory... |
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France's far right National Front welcomed the outcome, saying that the "elites should stop denying the aspirations and fears of the European people, who, without opposing religious freedom, reject ostentatious signs that political-religious Muslim groups want to impose."
That kind of encapsulates the issue. I am not saying that it is motivated by love our owt but it may be fact. I think if Muslims actually had some good PR they may get somewhere. At the mo all we hear is the bad stuff and when the bad stuff happens there is very little condemnation from a spokesperson and so forth Muslims need Max Clifford and fast. |
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