Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786144)

Absolutely fair enough comment, I'm sure many will agree with you that they feel she's being honest about being ready to be sick/going to be sick.

I genuinely don't.

I honestly do think she gives out this very quiet, almost shy to a point, innocent young thing image when she's far from it. Even her words after it: "I can't wait to leave this and get my own work out there" - there is just something I find about her that's arrogant - but she tries to hide it.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786145)

mmbarf...I corrected that for you

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786147)

Just as well I never mentioned it, coz I thought it was called MMMbop !!!

Mmmmm... :D

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786152)

I wouldn't blame her for feeling that way, the way she's been treated. She certainly never struck me as arrogant more down trodden the last couple of weeks than anything else. She is only a child still.



:laugh:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786153)

I think you're right Pyr..correction...MMMbarf

Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4786059)

joey who was asking Janet the questions on This Morning? Anywhere I can get a video of part of it. If it was Holly Willowbooby I hope Janet jumped out and pulled her hair out :D

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786160)

Most of them have all had a hard time, 3 for example being Misha, Kitty with the hellish press they've both had, then Amelia who had to come back 5 weeks later and was playing catchup etc.

Maybe I'm too hard - but if she (Janet) is still regarded as a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults then - if she hasn't got what it takes all round - nerves or not, it proves she's not ready - right now anyway.

This week she forgot due to nerves/going to be sick....what was her excuse the other week? She just forgot her words? It's a fairly crucial part of a singing competition.

I'm sure she'll find some small success in a particular niche of the market: but I don't see her being a huge success.





I wasn't sure myself tbh - hence why I never commented on it before, I was more poking fun at myself for thinking it had 3 MMM's.... mmmm :hugesmile:


Mmmbarf

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786202)

Well, I wish her all the success in the world, she's hugely talented imo.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786220)

Oh I don't say I don't wish her success: of course I do - anyone who is willing to work at what they chose to would be wished success. Because I can't take to the lassie doesn't mean I wouldn't wish her well in her future.

Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4786217)

Actually Janet doesn't act like a child. I think she is shy, polite, not arrogant at all, but knows what she wants.

In fact unlike the other contestants who are now left, Janet is one that knows what she wants, will make sure she does it on her terms and is very self-aware.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786227)

Yeah, it really bothers me when people say they hope xxxx flops or fails or whatever. I mean fair enough if someone doesn't particularly like an X Factor contestant or who ever but why would anyone want them to fail, it's nasty and bitter

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786229)

I'm not altogether sure anyone said Janet acts like a child.

Niamh said that she was 'only a child still', to which I replied, that if she is still regarded as being a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults. I don't think anyone actually meant that she acts like one. I don't personally think she does act like a child.

She is determined though - better she have that than not give a damn.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786235)

When it comes to a certain Hmate..... I would be happy to see him fail, I ain't gonna lie - but that's for a whole set of different reasons! :hugesmile:

But Janet is a whole different kettle of fish: she has a voice that will no doubt take her places, as well as being a musician and a fairly accomplished one from what the judges would say about her - I could never take that away from her. Why wouldn't anyone wish her well (whether liking her or not) I don't understand either.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786237)

Yes, I wasn't saying she acted like a child, I would just consider a 17 year old to still be a child and I suppose I feel for younger acts more, that's all :hugesmile:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786240)

Totally understandable: put her into comparison with Kitty for example - Kitty's got more experience, more used to dealing with rejections etc - I did 'get' what you meant - from a 'protective' point of view because she'll be less experienced in dealing with all this.

I'll be the first to say that I am pretty hard - and perhaps I am being too hard, given her young age, (but I STILL feel she simply forgot the words).

Originally Posted by pyramid

I'll be the first to say that I am pretty hard - and perhaps I am being too hard, given her young age, (but I STILL feel she simply forgot the words).

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4786289)

not everyone is confident and capable of dealing with the massive attention that the x-factor gives, sometimes people need a lot of encouragement to flourish. Janet's at her best when she feels comfortable doing what she does and knows. Mmmbop was not in Janet's comfort zone so she messed it up. Kelly should have been telling her this and encouraging Janet to do more of her own type of music and building from that, but instead she just left her to her own devices and spent her time buddying up with Misha.

The way Kelly didn't support Janet was pathetic last night. Janet would have gone either way.. she couldn't care less about Janet and sacrificed her just to keep in cahoots with Misha imo

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4786319)

duh Kelli did made a decision, it was to try and look as good as possible and then keep in Misha's good books. Kelli knew Janet was out if she didn't vote, Dermot said it, it was clear as crystal!

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786325)

No need for the 'duh' comment.

Kelly actually abstained from making a decision between them both.


Therefore there is no bearing on how you are perceiving it.

What Dermott said, crystal clearly - was that if Kelly did not vote: Janet is out right now - because there was a majority vote at that point. Gary then confirmed that he too would have opted for sending Janet - so the end result would have been the same.

Therefore, if Kelly had saved Janet, Janet would still have received a majority vote to send her packing - from Louis, Tulisa and Gary.

I'm not sure why you cannot see that - and cannot accept that regardless of who Kelly decided to send home - it would have made no difference.

The weaker singer left. Regardless, because of a majority vote from the other 3 judges: not because Kelly abstained from voting.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786333)

Well, she didn't know which way Gary would have voted until afterwards, at that point if she had saved Janet, there was still a chance of it going to deadlock, by refusing to vote she was, in effect making sure Janet went home.

Also, I disagree the weaker singer left, I by far preferred Janets voice and much preferred her final song to Mishas.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786343)

I find it very hard to believe that the judges haven't already made their minds up - long before those in the bottom two have even sung. After all: at least two of the judges last night based their decision not on the sing off song: but overall perfomances throughout and who would be a better recording artist, fill concerts etc.

I'm pretty sure they all knew that when it came down to just Janet and Misha, that Janet would be going.

It's one of the reasons as I've said in other threads, why I think it's a massive con - because the public only get to really decide at the finals - until that point, the judges are still in control of which in the bottom two leave.