Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 6407507)

Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 6407522)

In not rotating the squad and openly questioning the quality of the players he is failing to maintain anything.

Originally Posted by Legend killer (Post 6407338)

Can you please stop Full Stop

Anyone who even tried to suggest Young was a good player or suggested Giggs and ****ing Scholes were at that stage better centre mids then Pogba should really not be allowed to post on a football forum

I blame this fully on Young. Funny how diabolical the standard of play has been since Ashley graced Carrington with his ****ess appears to be rubbing of on the team like a common cold

And like any virus Ashley should be dealt with as soon as possible in this case send him to the local disabled football league

Ps comparing a warrior like Darren to a streak of piss like Ashley tops all your other stupid notions regarding football

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 6407372)

It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

First paragraph makes no sense. In this case why has any manager even been sacked if it's down to the players?

Valencia and Young are probably giving 100%. The issue is they're 'effin wank.


You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

I'm not a huge Nani fan. However, he's way ahead of the tripe Moyes chose to play before him. He needs to be given a run. Even though nobody really shone against West Brom, he was more dangerous than Valencia and Young combined in the league this season.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

If Moyes doesn't think Kagawa is good enough, yet seemingly believes Valencia is, then I lose any hope whatsoever.

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

I didn't say I wanted him to be sacked.


If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

I haven't blamed just the manager. I said in a post you quoted 'it's a combination of both'...however the manager deserves flack when persisting with s-hit.

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6444811)

This has to be the worst song in football.

I managed to find one with lyrics, so LK can sing along.