Yes, but you're talking as though aggression is the only thing about her. It clearly isn't.

You can get pedantic over the wording, but the fact remains the same.

They obviously know her better than we do having lived with her for 10 weeks.

She is a mother so ultimately and obviously must have a heart and be able to nurture and love her son , the characteristic she chooses to show the world and the one that shines through is aggression , wow how well thought out of her. What a profound way of conducting yourself , what a superb centred place to operate from.What a shining star she truly is not.

We're going off on a tangent from the original point now so I'll end our conversation here.

All I'll say is Big Brother has chosen to show us mostly her aggressive side. Youtube videos and other moments have shown her calmer/fun sides. Just as there were sides to the "boring" housemates we never got a look at.

The housemates can show the full spectrum of themselves in the house, BB decides what we see, not the housemates. Not to mention BB is such an unnatural environment that it brings things out in people they wouldn't have in the real world. Everything is exaggerated.

As adults in social groups we learn to adapt and get on , that's how we survive ,so obviously she has friends human beings are social animals.

Okay Thankyou for your input Marsh.

That's your opinion, its not shared by me or many others that are warming to Helen. Everyone can keep spouting all the same old stuff over and over which is rather tired now if they wish, but I've stopped reading most of it, I know where my votes are going

That's fine I hope your votes are fruitful.

Thank you for yours too. And I genuinely mean that, hope yours isn't sarcastic. :laugh:

Not sure what relevance this is to the discussion. We're not discussing the psyche behind human interaction. We're talking about 3 people in BB in particular. It's not particularly highly intellectual, they simply have a friend but aren't blind to the major issue she has plaguing her.

No sarcasm promisex

You are saying she has friends therefore at some level she must be likeable , proving she has a positive lovely side to her , I am saying she can get by in a group by creating friendships etc etc however I am sticking to my point annoyingly enough , the aspect of her that shines through is aggression that's a conscious choice and in my opinion not in any way shape or form a choice that does her any favours , it's outdated , was no doubt useful at school but as an adult sentient being she can and should make better choices.

How does that shine through?

As I said, certain parts of the housemates will be exaggerated in the house more than they would ever be in real life.

We're seeing more of her aggression because BB finds that more highlights worthy and because they're trapped in an artificial environment.

We can't really say that she chooses aggression all the time due to a severe lack of live feed. We've seen a very small percentage of their overall experience.

What is apparent is she has a problem controlling her temper and articulating something when she's pissed off.

They're her friends for different reasons tbh. Pav, I think, just wanted to be with the "kool kidz" (though I hate the term) because he was isolated and they were at the time the safer option.

Ash genuinely likes Helen, the reason being that he CAN overlook her aggression, because when it comes down to it she wouldn't be able to take him on and she knows it. Helen isn't a clever girl... All of the housemates she's clashed with have been smarter than her... But the flaw is that none of them have been able to keep their cool. Ash is smarter than her and most importantly constantly calm. In a fairly early week they DID almost clash, but he shrugged it off so easily that she was caught off guard. They haven't clashed since. That's what's allowed their friendship to blossom... He accepts her aggression because he's not intimidated by it, and she never turns on him because she knows he won't rise to it.

That sort of sounds like I'm saying they don't like each other or that that's all there is to the friendship... But what I mean is, that side of her with ash was nipped in the bud early on and so he got to see her more positive traits, whilst still being able to appreciate that she is aggressive to other housemates.