[kistar]

These are her close friends saying it , she is aggressive .

Why would you want to sit and be part of a group with a pit bull as the leader?

[Babschap]

Fear?

[LukeB]

helen shouldnt be a nasty bully! why would big brother allow all her actions and just let her off even with formal warnings! no wonder this years big brother has had rubbish ratings. it sucks that if helen wins it shows bullying is acceptable

[jessicadanielle]

I was pretty impressed with how Pav handled her in the toilet... He was very open about her behaviour and didn't appear up her arse at all I thought

[Josy]

They are friends, you just said it yourself.

Lots of people in the world has friends that have flaws it doesn't mean they take nothing more to do with them, if anything them telling her she is aggressive is the best most honest thing they as real friends can do for her.

[kistar]

I cannot believe how deluded she is really , thinking she didn't create a divide when she caused it through fear and aggression .

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I was pretty impressed with how Pav handled her in the toilet... He was very open about her behaviour and didn't appear up her arse at all I thought

I've said this all along, Pav is a sensible, sound guy, and so is Ash. They both have got to know Helen over the weeks, and, like many of the viewers have seen the positive and negative sides of Helen and have come to their own opinions.

[kistar]

Does being aggressive have a positive side?

[kistar]

Let me think of a time when aggressive behaviour is positive?????? Nope nothing comes to mind.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I've said this all along, Pav is a sensible, sound guy, and so is Ash. They both have got to know Helen over the weeks, and, like many of the viewers have seen the positive and negative sides of Helen and have come to their own opinions.

I agree, they're both pretty alright and would probably make nice, fun friends. However, I do feel that they have a higher opinion of Helen than some other hms because she chooses who to show that nicer side to. She decided she liked Ash early on because they were similar: young, attractive, from same area, and probs similar humour, and so hasn't shown much aggression to him. Pav became closer to Winston and Ash with their sort of laddish connection, and in turn, Helen grew to like him as part of their group.

Basically, I think they do see a balanced view of her and believe she is a good friend, but they are lucky enough to see the nicer side of her maybe?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

They are friends, you just said it yourself.

Lots of people in the world has friends that have flaws it doesn't mean they take nothing more to do with them, if anything them telling her she is aggressive is the best most honest thing they as real friends can do for her.

Being a nasty bully is not a flaw. That's like saying someone who is a racist has a flaw. Helen is a racist too unsurprisingly.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Being a nasty bully is not a flaw. That's like saying someone who is a racist has a flaw. Helen is a racist too unsurprisingly.

They obviously don't see Helen as a bully

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Being a nasty bully is not a flaw. That's like saying someone who is a racist has a flaw. Helen is a racist too unsurprisingly.

thats a stupid statement to make and defamatory

Judy James is a fu.king idiot, its amazing how you all said the same when she slagged off Toya lol

anyone can see that Ashleigh causes the divide every time she decides to stay on her bed all day, if she thinks getting pissed tonight cause she realised she was coming across as boring, is gonna help her, she's a bit too late

Judge Judy has absolutely nothing to worry about

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Being a nasty bully is not a flaw. That's like saying someone who is a racist has a flaw. Helen is a racist too unsurprisingly.

I find it astonishing that anyone would pay money to vote for someone who is always moaning about wanting to go home....................#wasted

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I agree, they're both pretty alright and would probably make nice, fun friends. However, I do feel that they have a higher opinion of Helen than some other hms because she chooses who to show that nicer side to. She decided she liked Ash early on because they were similar: young, attractive, from same area, and probs similar humour, and so hasn't shown much aggression to him. Pav became closer to Winston and Ash with their sort of laddish connection, and in turn, Helen grew to like him as part of their group.

Basically, I think they do see a balanced view of her and believe she is a good friend, but they are lucky enough to see the nicer side of her maybe?

Cringe Alert: I find a lot of Helen's qualities very endearing. I have watched her react to many events that have confronted her. I can see her good qualities. I'm not condoning her other behaviour that I found appalling, but human beings are complex creatures.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Cringe Alert: I find a lot of Helen's qualities very endearing. I have watched her react to many events that have confronted her. I can see her good qualities. I'm not condoning her other behaviour that I found appalling, but human beings are complex creatures.

Could I ask what it is about her you find endearing? I'm not disagreeing with you, just genuinely interested. I don't come on here much but it appears suddenly that there are loads of Helen fans whose reasons for liking her get drowned out by Helen vs. Ashleigh arguments

So far all I've really seen is "she tells it how it is" which I don't believe she always does really

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Could I ask what it is about her you find endearing? I'm not disagreeing with you, just genuinely interested. I don't come on here much but it appears suddenly that there are loads of Helen fans whose reasons for liking her get drowned out by Helen vs. Ashleigh arguments

So far all I've really seen is "she tells it how it is" which I don't believe she always does really

I think she has a great sense of humour, her eyes light up, and I've seen it when the joke has been on her. If you looked at when Mark was evicted, there was genuine sadness in her eyes, nothing fake. She wears her heart on her sleeve more often than not, so its really not difficult to see what she is feeling/thinking, and I like what I see.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think she has a great sense of humour, her eyes light up, and I've seen it when the joke has been on her. If you looked at when Mark was evicted, there was genuine sadness in her eyes, nothing fake. She wears her heart on her sleeve more often than not, so its really not difficult to see what she is feeling/thinking, and I like what I see.

Yeah she can make me laugh at times, in the first few days I really quite liked her because she seemed open and happy, I was actually glad when Pauline gave her the pass!

But with regards to her being sad that Mark left, I wouldn't really expect less of any housemate, I would only assume that you would be sad after being so close to someone for 9 weeks really

[kistar]

[QUOTE=Miranda123;7156955]I find it astonishing that anyone would pay money to vote for someone who is always moaning about wanting to go home....................#wasted[/


#diversityrules

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kistar

These are her close friends saying it , she is aggressive .

Why would you want to sit and be part of a group with a pit bull as the leader?

Because they are friends? No one's perfect and if you dump your friends because they have issues/flaws then you're not much of a friend.

Recognising her issues doesn't mean they hate her either, it means they're not blinkered.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kistar

Does being aggressive have a positive side?

No, but aggressive is one side of her, not everything. She is a three dimensional person with good and bad sides to her, like everyone.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

your posts are sooo boring, every time I read one, I have to make a load of phone calls to Helens number just to make myself smile lol

Love it you love Helen so much Miranda , Luke has a very valid point he likes Ashleigh let's respect him for that please.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, but aggressive is one side of her, not everything. She is a three dimensional person with good and bad sides to her, like everyone.

Her best friend likened her to a pit bull terrier , he has allegedly seen those three dimensions and the one that stands out to him is her aggression.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kistar

Her best friend likened her to a pit bull terrier , he has allegedly seen those three dimensions and the one that stands out to him is her aggression.

Because her aggression and negative aspects were the ones relevant to the discussion/task. That's what they were talking about.

If she had no positives they wouldn't be her friends, not to mention trying to make out Helen is 100% aggressive is false.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, but aggressive is one side of her, not everything. She is a three dimensional person with good and bad sides to her, like everyone.

I don't know if 3 dimensions works when you are talking about someone's character , maybe multi dimensional ?there are no doubt many aspects to her the one that stands out to all of us though is her aggression and that is a choice she has made to portray herself that way .