So you forgot her calling Nadia over towards the end?

I don't think Nadia should have got involved. That's why people find her annoying. Even her friend Ruth thinks she gets involved too much. It's good she stuck up for her but she should have took Alicia in another room or something and Let Cami make herself more hated.

After the argument started?

I agree with you that Nadia makes these arguments worse, she gets too involved and keeps going on and on too much at times.

However I didn't think that Nadia was just specifying Perez in her argument against what Cami said. I thought she kept saying that Cami had said "nobody" would talk to or want be friends with Alicia other than to use or manipulate her. That there would be "no other reason" for "somebody" or "anybody" (not sure??) to like Alicia.

She said this repeatedly and Cami kept saying "yeah because it's the truth"

It may have started out over him, but in that particular segment of argument Perez didn't seem to be specified, Cami seemed to be agreeing and admitting that she did in fact say that she thought "nobody" would like Alicia for any other reason.

That's the way I took it up anyways.

..I agree with PinkPegasus in that I think Nadia tends to be totally counter-productive and completely escalates many situations that I don't think would be anywhere near so bad if she didn't get involved so much...they just seemed to be trying to say that they thought Perez was a 'false friend' to Alicia, not that no one would actually want to be friends with her for herself...and Nadia kept repeating that it was an awful thing to say, but she was the one saying it/the first one to say it, so really could be perceived as the person to be causing Alicia the most upset at the time..I mean if any of us were Alicia, would we want someone banging on...SO PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE ARE NO LIKEABLE QUALITIES ABOUT YOU, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT THEN..which is effectively what she was doing...she really needs to step back and allow others to interpret things for themselves....

Cami was saying that nobody should have a reason to bother with Alicia other than to manipulate her.
She said it initially and then clarified it when asked to!!!

Chloe just agreed and continued to kiss her ass...........as usual.

..I didn't hear her say that first but tbh, it all escalated to such a height that it was hard to catch everything that was said and in what order etc...I would totally hate to live in that house, it's no wonder that Patsy is looking more and more lost with them all....I do still think though that whether well intentioned or not, Nadia tends to make situations much worse because she causes frustrations by trying to always shut people down/rather than to 'control'.. and is very over-bearing...

..I will say that I don't personally think that she means to fuel the fire but she still does...

Yeah, i do agree in general about Nadia. She doesn't help situations.
In this case though i don't think anything Cami said was twisted or misconstrued by anyone. She was (yet again!) hating on Alicia and i just think it's totally unnecessary on her part!
She comes across as a very spiteful and selfish person. I can honestly say that Cami and Chloe were the two people that i had no clue about on launch night. Never heard of either before!:shrug:

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She is the ultimate manipulator. The ultimate shit stirrer. Used to like her but not now.

..no I didn't know either Cami or Chloe before they went in either, I much prefer it that way actually because our opinions are often preconceived with celebrities and what we know of them outside the house...what I do think though is that there are two opposing forces in the house, which are Katie and Nadia and in their own ways, they're both maybe 'fuelling'..?...I think that Katie is fuelling Cami's 'spite' by being so scathing and mocking of Alicia constantly because she knows the result will be that Cami will voice what's on her mind...I do think that Katie and Nadia need to be a bit more honest in the right way and actually air their true feelings to each other...they're just skirting around each other atm and trying to avoid it....

Agreed 100%.:cheer2:

Are you sure. I could have sworn it was Nadia who threw that into the conversation.?

Yes L.W. Ruth on bots last night
said Nadia did not need to get into everything intense


I want her up for eviction

Nadia going for that camera time as usual.She needs to stop poking her nose into everyones business.You can put your life on wherever there is any sniff of any drama she has to turn it to her.**** off Nadia.

Summed up perfectly for me.

Agree :cheer2: