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Anaesthesia 12-05-2016 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8646869)
Not necessarily, though, because there's nothing else you could describe it as. The vibrations that would be created are "sound waves", there's nothing else to call them. Sound waves are sound waves, in the same way that radio waves are radio waves, micro waves are micro waves, etc.

We can't perceive most of the wavelength spectrum at all (without electronic help) but each wave still is what it is. I don't see why that wouldn't apply to sound.
Because sound is a construct particular to our perception. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no human there, an insect wouldn't perceive it as sound because it has no idea of sound. It would perceive the physicality of the wave tho.

user104658 12-05-2016 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 8646888)
Because sound is a construct particular to our perception. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no human there, an insect wouldn't perceive it as sound because it has no idea of sound. It would perceive the physicality of the wave tho.
I'm not convinced, it's still a sound wave. An insect would also experience the physicality of a microwave (... Lol...) but in a very different way... The terms are really only to distinguish one from the other in our linguist understanding... So really the debate is about language, specifically descriptive language, full stop - rather than about perception.

An insect also has no concept of being an insect, for example.

Beso 17-05-2016 08:54 PM
I hate to think how much cash has been wasted when i could have planted a microphone in a forrest for ten quid and some travel expenses.

Marsh. 17-05-2016 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8645531)
If you fart and no-one is around to hear it, did you still fart?
But you're there to hear it, it's your fart. :hee:

Liberty4eva 17-05-2016 10:34 PM
Not enough information to make a decision. If there are birds, squirells, or deer or other wildlife around then it definitely made a sound as they all have ears. The person who first posed that question only says there is no one, meaning no people, around.

Marsh. 17-05-2016 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 8654016)
Not enough information to make a decision. If there are birds, squirells, or deer or other wildlife around then it definitely made a sound as they all have ears. The person who first posed that question only says there is no one, meaning no people, around.
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8645529)
and no human or animal or insect ear is there to hear it does it make any noise?
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Liberty4eva 17-05-2016 10:51 PM
Marsh, then the answer is no. :smug:

waterhog 18-05-2016 12:12 PM
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Ashley. 18-05-2016 12:20 PM
Reminds me of that thing, "if you attempt to fail and succeed in doing so, did you fail or succeed"

Ashley. 18-05-2016 12:21 PM
However let's not get into that as well

Beso 18-05-2016 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8654333)
Reminds me of that thing, "if you attempt to fail and succeed in doing so, did you fail or succeed"
easy. you succeed.

Kizzy 18-05-2016 12:29 PM
Yes lets Ashley, I like that one :)
It's like 'be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.' I'm a firm believer in ill will and positive thought, if you put something out there in the universe it's like placing an order on cosmic amazon... your package is on the way :)


The forest scenario.
I'd say it's a metaphor, even if you don't hear/see something, there may be repercussions?

Jamie89 18-05-2016 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8654341)
easy. you succeed.
But if what you were attempting to do was fail, then by succeeding you've failed... oh but that would that would mean you've succeeded... which would mean you've failed... my head hurts :mad:

The tree still makes a sound though. If you put a tape recorder there and then check it for sound, it will be there :hee:

Ashley. 18-05-2016 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8654345)
The forest scenario.
I'd say it's a metaphor, even if you don't hear/see something, there may be repercussions?
I quite like that actually, Kizzy!

Or alternatively, things can't hurt you if you choose to ignore them? :shrug:

Kizzy 18-05-2016 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8654351)
I quite like that actually, Kizzy!

Or alternatively, things can't hurt you if you choose to ignore them? :shrug:
That's called repression and trust me that hurts :)

Ashley. 18-05-2016 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8654355)
That's called repression and trust me that hurts :)
Hm, no I don't think I would go that far. Simply, life is better for everyone if you don't let things bother you (such as a tree falling in the woods :laugh:)

Kizzy 18-05-2016 12:46 PM
Yes, if it was small then I'd say ignore it and move on... but a tree? A tree is big and needs addressing.

Address your trees people! :)

Crimson Dynamo 18-05-2016 01:17 PM
people with tinnitus hear high pitched sound with no compression waves or frequency

Ashley. 18-05-2016 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8654419)
people with tinnitus hear high pitched sound with no compression waves or frequency
Pitch or sound? :think:

Crimson Dynamo 18-05-2016 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 8654481)
Pitch or sound? :think:
i think they hear a ringing noise but i have heard others describe it as a high pitched noise. Obviously its not a sound as such

bots 18-05-2016 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8654488)
i think they hear a ringing noise but i have heard others describe it as a high pitched noise. Obviously its not a sound as such
As a sufferer, for me its like white noise with an element of ringing in it.


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