[LeatherTrumpet]

and no human or animal or insect ear is there to hear it does it make any noise?


Is the definition of a sound is its detection, rather than the physical phenomenon?

[bitontheslide]

If you fart and no-one is around to hear it, did you still fart?

[billy123]

Yes of course it does because the sound compression waves would still hit other objects which has a physical affect on them.

[Kizzy]

Wot bob sed.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Yes of course it does because the sound compression waves would still hit other objects which has a physical affect on them.

for example?

[LeatherTrumpet]

waves are not sound, sound is how we interpret waves

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

for example?

An air compession wave created by a falling tree exists regardless of a human being in range of it.
(I wont go into why you also said insects as most of them are deaf and use ground vibration as a means of detecting movement)
You can harp on about the definition of a sound as only being realized once an air compression wave strikes an eardrum but the reality is that it exists an air compression wave exists regardless and has a physical affect on its surroundings.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

An air compession wave created by a falling tree exists regardless of a human being in range of it.
(I wont go into why you also said insects as most of them are deaf and use ground vibration as a means of detecting movement)
You can harp on about the definition of a sound as only being realized once an air compression wave strikes an eardrum but the reality is that it exists an air compression wave exists regardless and has a physical affect on its surroundings.

im no debating its physical effect by falling but does it make a sound, surely the answer must be no?

[billy123]

At the end of the day you have posted a question that has no right or wrong answer so it will be reet.

[DemolitionRed]

Numerous books have been written on the study of questions like this!

The question can be answered on more than one level. There is a simple practical answer which is, of course it makes a sound but then the smart ass phellogen comes up with all kinds of questions about perceptions.

There is a whole creationist discussion tackling arguments like, did the tree fall or was it created like that?.

[Livia]

Physics doesn't stop because there's no one around to witness it.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Livia

Physics doesn't stop because there's no one around to witness it.

If it did, no one would now exist because we weren't around to hear it when the earth was formed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If it did, no one would now exist because we weren't around to hear it when the earth was formed

Jesus Christ, BOTS, I'm going to have to sit and think about that for a minute...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Physics doesn't stop because there's no one around to witness it.

Bewilderingly - there are actually some very current studies going on in theoretical physics that appear to show that there are aspects of existence that behave differently depending on whether or not they're being actively observed. Crazy stuff.

As for the "make a sound" question at its most basic level it's just semantics. The tree falling makes sound waves, so it depends on whether you call that effect itself "sound", or if you call the human brain's interpretation of those waves "sound". Most insects etc. actually perceive sound in a totally different way to mammals etc, feeling the vibrations (which we can also do, but to a much lesser extent) rather than actually "hearing" as we understand it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bewilderingly - there are actually some very current studies going on in theoretical physics that appear to show that there are aspects of existence that behave differently depending on whether or not they're being actively observed. Crazy stuff.

As for the "make a sound" question at its most basic level it's just semantics. The tree falling makes sound waves, so it depends on whether you call that effect itself "sound", or if you call the human brain's interpretation of those waves "sound". Most insects etc. actually perceive sound in a totally different way to mammals etc, feeling the vibrations (which we can also do, but to a much lesser extent) rather than actually "hearing" as we understand it.

tell that to an Earwig

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bewilderingly - there are actually some very current studies going on in theoretical physics that appear to show that there are aspects of existence that behave differently depending on whether or not they're being actively observed. Crazy stuff.

As for the "make a sound" question at its most basic level it's just semantics. The tree falling makes sound waves, so it depends on whether you call that effect itself "sound", or if you call the human brain's interpretation of those waves "sound". Most insects etc. actually perceive sound in a totally different way to mammals etc, feeling the vibrations (which we can also do, but to a much lesser extent) rather than actually "hearing" as we understand it.

Erm... thanks.

[LeatherTrumpet]

i know that at the Emirates there is no actual sound

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Erm... thanks.

You're oso welcome.

[bitontheslide]

I guess there are many religious types that behave differently because they think God is watching

[Anaesthesia]

The whole "does it make a sound" is due to semantics, and our crafted word for a vibration to hit our eardrums. If it ain't hitting our eardrums, it isn't sound as we would perceive it.

Does the wave have an impact on inanimate objects? Of course it does. But because inanimate objects don't have eardrums, it would be incorrect to describe it as a sound.

[smudgie]

Probably.
If I hear something drop/fall etc and hubby doesn't because he is deaf it doesn't mean it doesn't make a sound if he can't feel these waves etc.
Just means he is deaf to it all and I am not.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Probably.
If I hear something drop/fall etc and hubby doesn't because he is deaf it doesn't mean it doesn't make a sound if he can't feel these waves etc.
Just means he is deaf to it all and I am not.

Perfect example, Smudgie. It can only make a "sound" to those capable of hearing.

[Kizzy]

Next weeks conundrum, do bears sh*t in the woods?...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

The whole "does it make a sound" is due to semantics, and our crafted word for a vibration to hit our eardrums. If it ain't hitting our eardrums, it isn't sound as we would perceive it.

Does the wave have an impact on inanimate objects? Of course it does. But because inanimate objects don't have eardrums, it would be incorrect to describe it as a sound.

Not necessarily, though, because there's nothing else you could describe it as. The vibrations that would be created are "sound waves", there's nothing else to call them. Sound waves are sound waves, in the same way that radio waves are radio waves, micro waves are micro waves, etc.

We can't perceive most of the wavelength spectrum at all (without electronic help) but each wave still is what it is. I don't see why that wouldn't apply to sound.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Next weeks conundrum, do bears sh*t in the woods?...

"Depends what kind of bear" is the only reasonable answer there. Short thread