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Ammi 09-06-2016 05:51 AM
..I'm glad that the deadline was extended with this..I know it might not be the wisest to leave it until the last moment but some people do that and the servers etc should have had enough euro-bytes to accommodate that, so I think it was an equal fault and it's good that the hours given to vote were made up, so that as many votes as possible are exercised...

joeysteele 09-06-2016 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8701631)
..I'm glad that the deadline was extended with this..I know it might not be the wisest to leave it until the last moment but some people do that and the servers etc should have had enough euro-bytes to accommodate that, so I think it was an equal fault and it's good that the hours given to vote were made up, so that as many votes as possible are exercised...
Absolutely Ammi.

I like to consider myself pretty well organised as to things I do or have to do but many times I have left things to the last minute, and a couple of occasions at least, the very last minute too.
I still make the point that the surge seemed to come after the Cameron/Farage debate programme too on TV.

It may well have been that something was said that helped 'persuade' some to at least register for a vote after watching that.

Cherie 09-06-2016 10:25 AM
Did they need to extend by 48 hours when just two hours were lost :unsure:

Jack_ 09-06-2016 12:51 PM
People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

Ross. 09-06-2016 12:53 PM
Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!

Livia 09-06-2016 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8702296)
People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.
What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

Cherie 09-06-2016 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8702296)
People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.
Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason :joker: so yes we should be bothered

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Originally Posted by Ross. (Post 8702300)
Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!
Will they get out of bed to vote though :unsure: I mean if they can't get to the PCs in their bedrooms :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8702319)
What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

:clap1:

billy123 09-06-2016 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 8698703)
It's so all the illegal immigrants have a chance to vote remain.:joker::joker::joker:
You make no sense whatsoever.
How would a person who isn't here legally be able to vote?
How on earth would it make a difference to them to remain if they are not here legally?
What utter rubbish you post.

Northern Monkey 09-06-2016 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8701973)
Did they need to extend by 48 hours when just two hours were lost :unsure:
I've changed my mind about this now.I was all for them giving the two hours back just out of good will but extending by 24 or 48 hours is more like rigging it.They know that it's the lazy leftist students that could'nt be arsed to register so they've given them a whole extra two days.That needs investigating.
Also the Daily Politics has said that the electoral commission has done very little to stop EU nationals registering to vote.I was reluctant in the other thread to say that this referendum will be fixed but it's heading more and more in that direction now.

Tom4784 09-06-2016 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8702414)
I've changed my mind about this now.I was all for them giving the two hours back just out of good will but extending by 24 or 48 hours is more like rigging it.They know that it's the lazy leftist students that could'nt be arsed to register so they've given them a whole extra two days.That needs investigating.
Also the Daily Politics has said that the electoral commission has done very little to stop EU nationals registering to vote.I was reluctant in the other thread to say that this referendum will be fixed but it's heading more and more in that direction now.
Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!

Northern Monkey 09-06-2016 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8702418)
Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!
No just give them the lost time back from the server crash.That would be perfectly reasonable.If they still cba to register then they don't deserve to vote.

Cherie 09-06-2016 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8702418)
Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!
I'm voting remain but I can see how unfair and undemocratic this extension is, yesterday morning someone said it would be impossible to extend as it would have to be ratified by parliament, guess what it's been rushed through, if we stay in or go out it should be at the will of the majority not manipulated so the "right" result is ensured, I wasn't in favour of the government spending 9 million on a propaganda leaflet either :idc:

Jack_ 09-06-2016 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8702319)
What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.
I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8702335)
Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason :joker: so yes we should be bothered
The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is :shrug:

_Tom_ 09-06-2016 03:34 PM
If you care so little about your vote that you don't bother to register until the deadline - then tough.

joeysteele 09-06-2016 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8702641)
I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.



The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is :shrug:
Totally excellent points Jack_ all through.

I believe in the fullest democracy in the UK and quite frankly I am astounded that there is not in place automatic voter registration for those who turn 18 years old.

In your first part of your post, you make a brilliant point as to some falling off the register due to the changes and I indeed know of some in the last week who believed they were on the register, then got no polling information.
So had to re-register, ridiculous.

It astounds me that anyone involved in politics or even just interested in politics, would actually not want to encourage, and make sure all people of eligible status and age, can use their full right of a democratic vote in the UK.

Maybe extending the deadline to 2 days later was excessive but the govt had to make its mind up whether to do so,most of one day was in fact lost making that decision, so fair enough.

However the right to vote should be an automatic thing put in place at 18 in my view.
Ensuring all citizens of the UK who are eligible to vote, are securely on the register is all that matters to me,no matter how they may vote or who for.

Naturally too if people move,it is necessary for them to update their information.

_Tom_ 09-06-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8702866)
I believe in the fullest democracy in the UK
Since when did you suddenly care for democracy :joker:

Cherie 09-06-2016 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8702866)
Totally excellent points Jack_ all through.

Maybe extending the deadline to 2 days later was excessive but the govt had to make its mind up whether to do so,most of one day was in fact lost making that decision, so fair enough.
No time was lost Joey as on the 9am news yesterday people were encouraged to continue registering by the PM so a full 48 hours was given

joeysteele 09-06-2016 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by _Tom_ (Post 8702934)
Since when did you suddenly care for democracy :joker:
Excuse me, you do not know me.
I have always believed in democracy, not that we really have that in the UK where a govt can govern with absolute power with only around 3.5 of every 10 votes cast by the people who actually voted.
Thereby totally almost ignoring the votes of the 6+ out of 10 other voters.

What right have you to say I don't care for democracy?

If it is just a rather childish petty dig because I want to remain in the EU,then even there I want and hope for more democracy in that too.

I just believe we can help make that more possibly a fact if we stay in,we certainly cannot do anything to help bring that about if we are out.

bots 09-06-2016 05:40 PM
extending the deadline for registration isn't tipping the balance of voting in any direction. The number of potential voters remains the same. In the time we have remaining till the vote, 10's of thousands will be changing their minds right up till they put their X in the box. I'm not unhappy at them extending the deadline, but it is time for responsible potential voters to take responsibility for their own actions/behaviour.

joeysteele 09-06-2016 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8702954)
No time was lost Joey as on the 9am news yesterday people were encouraged to continue registering by the PM so a full 48 hours was given
Oh I think you may find there was Cherie, on the Daily Politics after PMQs yesterday, after the PM had said people should keep trying, Andrew Neill said the site was still not working, so for an unknown time yesterday, they could not register.

Which I would presume was why,rightly or wrongly, they included today in the new deadline too.


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